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Have you had sysadmin colleagues that knew NO scripting whatsoever?

Posted by Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 121 comments

No batch, bash, powershell at all. Zero coding basically. How good of a sysadmin were they other than coding/scripting?

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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

In reality, nobody coming into IT now needs formal coding training. They just need to know how to google.
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BrainWaveCC@reddit

If one did not have a basic understanding of some scripting, then automation is harder and more error prone than it could be. It's not like Google is going to return all good answers...
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divad1196@reddit

You don't necessarily need to code. But if you need to, then no, google is not enough for most people.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

It is if you understand how to effectively search for examples of what you're trying to accomplish, and how read what the code is doing in a rudimentary way. Almost nobody is sitting out there writing code from scratch without using reference examples.
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divad1196@reddit

I don't have any issue myself. I am a lead developer and through multiple events I became in charge of the infrastructure. If I am saying that it's because I have see good sysadmin crash servers when writing automations because they don't know what they coded. On the opposite side, I have seen good developer do absolute sh*t on servers because they just don't know the good practice. One example? I have seen script in bash deleting all folders recursively instead of just what they needed because they didn't considered some basic edge cases. Finally, even if they manage to do something, most of the time its a complete garbage. After a while, nobody understand it, not even the one that wrote it. The code takes longuer to be edited, it might become dangerous. In practice, the script is often just thrown away, someone rewrite it completly and the story repeats itself. You don't know it because you never had to manage people. You also most certainly never had some experienced developer review your code or your were lucky enough to not have to write scripts that can have significant impact.
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punklinux@reddit

That's like saying you don't need a Chinese translator because you have an English => Chinese dictionary. Google is great, I use it all the time, but it won't tell you the BEST solution, and you can Google all day, but if you don't know how to phrase what you want, you won't know what to do with the results. For example: Good: "What is the syntax for a conditional check to see if a file exists in bash without generating an error?" Bad: "Does proprietary-plugin.dat exist? How tell?" Good: "What are the available command line switches for kinit in Red Hat 8?" Bad: "AD messedup bad fix pls" A huge one in the Linux world is a ton of results that might be outdated or for different distros. Like "this works for Ubuntu, but not in Fedora." or "This was how we did things before systemd." You have to know this stuff, and Google won't tell you.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

None of what you just described is coding. Good search criteria for finding scripting commands are based on your knowledge level of the business application it applies to, and the desired end result. when you find results, it's not just a random snippet of code and you have to guess if it will work. They generally show up in reddit/forum/online resource threads where someone is asking the same question you're asking, and someone else provides the answer.
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GeneMoody-Action1@reddit

What happens when someone else has not posted an answer for you or in substantial enough form for the task a hand. OR where failure to understand what may have been legitimate in another users environment, could cause harm in yours? Would you hire and pay someone to try to piece together critical solutions in critical systems knowing that "they use google for that?" What you say is not incorrect, it is just hardly the basis for a job description, much less the complexity systems administrator implies. That is an admin, that is a googletech, saying google makes you an admin is like saying a key and gloves makes you a good driver. And chatgpt will help you understand, by explaining small sections of code interrogatively, but if you rely on it or anything else past basic logic, it can get laughable fast. That also does not mean GOOD sysadmins will not lean on the same options from time to time, but if someone is following a YouTube video for tips on how to remove an appendix, would you not prefer they at lest be a competent doctor? They are generally looking something up to augment their skills, not support them. So I say there are cases where an "admin" could be exposed and versed only in specific systems where this skill is simply not required, but that makes them a "<product name> admin" not what anyone would truly call a systems administrator.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

I don’t disagree with anything you said here and all of it is accurate, but in the context I was responding to an obvious troll OP whose sole intention here was to stir up trouble with a longer winded version of “Can you even code, bro?” So take my responses with a pitcher of salt.
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GeneMoody-Action1@reddit

Fair enough!
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ConstantSpeech6038@reddit

Exactly. Chaining some commands together is not a rocket science and everything you need is at your fingertips. Especially now that we have AI tools. You tell AI what do you need done and it suggests solution in a language you desire. You can even take random scripts from internet and let AI explain it to you line by line.
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randomman87@reddit

*Whole environment goes down* The AI didn't mention that part!
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ConstantSpeech6038@reddit

That's great. Me too. And If I don't know something I need, I will find out, that's the job. I like to view sysadmins as thinkers and problem solvers. I didn't go to school and I have zero knowledge of bash for example. There is no problem learning it the moment I need it is what I am saying.
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randomman87@reddit

Yeah but assuming your fellow sysadmins are also learners and problems solvers...
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

![gif](giphy|YTFHYijkKsXjW|downsized)
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Eh... agree to disagree.
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thortgot@reddit

Most admins aren't doing something truly unique and if they are, there's a solid chance it's going the wrong path. Admins are generally implementors, operators and connectors of technology stacks. Yes, there are exceptions but in house dev is generally a choice of last resort. Let's say you want to deploy software to your environment: 1. Do you use a COTS solution (Intune, other RMM etc.)? 2. Leverage a popular packaging solution (Win-get, chocolatey, ansible etc.)? 3. Build your own? I could theoretically come up with a reason for 3 but the best path forward would be to change the conditions so 1 or 2 are the correct answer.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Admins aren't implementators, they're the operators. Engineers and architects do the implementing.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Very few people who post here work in software development houses, so your comments fall on deaf ears. The vast majority of Sysadmins in here are administering "Print/file" servers and Canned software that comes form an external vendor, with very few if any server side applications being developed in house.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

I'm not sure how your reply is relevant here? In general admins do not implement anything, they operate. It's the engineer and architect that do the implementing, design etc. Admin vs Engineer vs Architect. Like a network admin doesn't IMPLEMENT the network, that's done by the network ARCHITECT. Again I'm quite confused here. This is common knowledge.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

My reply is relevant because in every company I've ever worked for - all of those roles were handled by one person. Not everyone here works for giant corps with that many tiers of Sysadmin.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Ah the good ol! underpay you and you'll get to wear many hats bs! Love capitalism
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Who is underpaid? I make a HEALTHY salary. You should just stick to trolling in r/antiwork.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Eh... whatever makes you sleep at night I guess
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

No but seriously, do you really think you need to hire an architect to design a network for small company with like 500 users? Designing the network would take a few days - tops, and then wouldn't need to be touched for like 4-5 years. What's he going to do, sit on reddit all day trolling? He wouldn't have anything to do.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

How about give him a temp contract, have him do it, then fire him and pay him?
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Why bother when the staff you already have know how to do it. This stuff is pretty easy. We're not talking about multi-national forests with multiple domains. Why pay an overpriced consultant who has no vested interest in the long term health of my company to design something that anyone with rudimentary Windows Networking skills can do in very little time?
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

ok
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cats_are_the_devil@reddit

I guess that depends on the size of your org... Rarely do absolutes work in this field.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Every piece of code you would ever need can be found searching, without needing to pour over syntax and trial and error for hours to get it right. Anyone who is wasting their time trying to code from scratch in an Actual IT admin role is wasting company time.
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Grunskin@reddit

lol what
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Exactly what I said. Every bit of Batch/Powershell code you would ever need already exists and is easily searchable. Nobody working as a SysAdmin/IT Manager needs to have Developer level coding knowledge.
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buzzy_buddy@reddit

i think you're simplifying it. you should at least know the commands you are running. googling to brush up isn't a bad thing, and depending on how complex it is, google will not always save you.
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Ssakaa@reddit

"should" is a *very* strong word. Competence is amazingly uncorrelated to ability to act like you know what you're doing just enough to skate by. "Fake it 'til you make it" turned into "Fake it 'til you leave for the next role, then do it again" sometime over the past couple decades.
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buzzy_buddy@reddit

big agree
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sadmep@reddit

This. Extreme positions on this are just that, extreme. The reality is that as a sysadmin you should probably know the basics of a few scripting languages so that when you go to retrieve code from google/LLM you understand what it's doing and if it's even applicable to your context.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

I think the bigger problem here is that "SysAdmin" as a job title comprises a HUGE range of positions and industries with wildly varying knowledge sets and requirements, but guys who work as Sysadmins in Software Development companies come here every day thinking they are the only "sysadmins", and everyone else is just HelpDesk or network engineers.
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BrainWaveCC@reddit

Yes, I've encountered that a number of times
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

LOLing at OP getting the shit downvoted out of him for this post.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Indeed. Funny as fuck. Bunch of butthurt no-scripting pussies but I'll roll with it. I don't take this personally, Reddit gonna Reddit. Hahaha
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Nobody is butthurt, except you. You started this post to troll, and you got mad when most responses disagreed with you, so you started insulting people.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Nope, I'm chill as is. Lol. It's just funny as fuck to me how mad the "sysadmins" that can do no scripting became. But hey, keep projecting, I'm good 👌
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xtrazen@reddit

This is not uncommon. Not every engineer or admin is into coding
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LoveTechHateTech@reddit

I work in a school with most people using Chromebooks (but we have a couple dozen Windows devices and a handful of servers). I use GAM for some of our Google stuff, but do very little with PowerShell on the Windows side.
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techw1z@reddit

there are a lot of those, they are mostly useless and will go on to become project managers or specialize in some device-type that borders on IT.
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Tech4dayz@reddit

Yeah I've worked with plenty. A lot of them were admins when I was new and on helpdesk, and they're still admins now while I'm an engineer. Take that as you will. 🤷‍♂️
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Freshmint22@reddit

I take it as you failed as a sysadmin.
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Hotshot55@reddit

How did you come to that conclusion?
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Tech4dayz@reddit

lol jeez, butt hurt much?
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Samphis@reddit

I’m pretty proficient with Powershell. Not every sysadmin needs to be able to script. And I sure as hell wouldn’t come on Reddit and post about how my scripting ability makes me better than anybody else.
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Hotshot55@reddit

> Not every sysadmin needs to be able to script. I don't think most people agree with this statement.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Oh no... anyway
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NOSjoker21@reddit

I work as a SysAdmin and... I only barely do a few PowerShell commands. I'm pursuing an Azure cert at some point but I haven't had to use coding or scripting in four years? Wait, am I behind?
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Very much so. Most sysadmin jobs demand powershell knowledge. I know mine does/did. This is very common.
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Jawshee_pdx@reddit

Demanding applicants "know" powershell and people actually using it efficiently are not the same thing.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

For most stuff tho, you "need" powershell unless you're willing to work "unnecessary hours".
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

I haven't worked "unnecessary hours" in decades. I know very little scripting. I manage an entire department and have been in IT for close to 30 years. I manage our Azure Tenant and hybrid connected AD. I think you're grossly exaggerating.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

You say that as an accomplishment, but it's in fact the monument of a failure. Lol.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Yes, my being a director of IT at a large engineering firm is absolutely a monumental failure because some rando "Learn to Code" bro on reddit said so. ![gif](giphy|UZtyaSGyC9Wbm|downsized)
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ThinkMarket7640@reddit

Director of IT is not a technical accomplishment.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Imagine thinking I just magically fell into this role out of school and didn’t earn it in the trenches
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ThinkMarket7640@reddit

It’s called office politics and it has nothing to do with your technical skills. In fact, on several occasions I’ve seen the less technical people get promoted because they’re next to useless in their role. Now simmer down grandpa, I’m sure your decades of pointy clicky experience must not be the same.
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xCharg@reddit

While true, it's still significantly more valuable compared to some random redditor's approval over controversial topic.
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CampNo1318@reddit

You are obnoxious and no script will be able to fix that “monument of a failure” that your personality is.
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Loki-Thor@reddit

You sound like a child
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Resorting to personal insults... lulz.
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Loki-Thor@reddit

I agree, I know enough and use it often in the cloud but that has only been in the last 2 years of my career. It's a nice have in my mind but not a must have. Most of the scripts I write are one time use or maybe twice a year. All cloud environment and I am the Lead cloud engineer for azure.
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NOSjoker21@reddit

I work mostly in DoD contracting and have for years. I do want to pursue a scripting cert and I was told Azure was the best?
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Jawshee_pdx@reddit

My Azure certs had very little powershell. Az-104 / 305.
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NOSjoker21@reddit

I was told to look into AZ-900
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Jawshee_pdx@reddit

I skipped the 900 because I had already been using Azure for a bit.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Azure isn't a scripting cert...
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SensitiveFrosting13@reddit

I don't think you're behind - but learn to script if you want to be an Azure weapon.
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grouchy-woodcock@reddit

We're always behind.
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Fa7her@reddit

I know basically zero scripting/coding. I know of like two or three scripts that I look up occasionally when their particular scenario occurs and they are needed. Otherwise, my environment of thousands of users and multiple datacenters runs flawlessly. I guess I’m not sure what y’all are out here doing lol
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Discipulus96@reddit

It often takes me more time to write a script or figure out what PowerShell commands I need than it does to just perform the task manually via the GUI. 90% of what I do on a daily basis is one off and not really repeatable so it doesn't save me any future time to build a script usually.
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rcp9ty@reddit

I was taught how to script with visual basic and while people keep telling me to learn powershell most of the stuff I know from VB can be used in powershell. I'm just wondering how long until something else replaces powershell because its been around almost as long as VB was when powershell came out. I've tried to learn other languages like Java and Python but it doesn't click in my brain just like HTML is hit or miss in my brain.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Java isn't an Ops language
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rcp9ty@reddit

Thank God it isn't because I hated it, it was a college course and despite paying full attention in class, showing up to every class early, staying the full lab, going to extra labs for help... I still received a D in the class.
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Imhereforthechips@reddit

I have one and he never graduated to sysadmin or Junior for that. He’s stayed as helpdesk tech and he’ll stay until he grows it retires
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grouchy-woodcock@reddit

I feel like you could get away with not scripting 20+ years ago when there were fewer scriptable bits in Windows.
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BrokenPickle7@reddit

I had one recently, but he picked it up pretty quick.. which is what a good sysadmin would do.
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silkee5521@reddit

I don't actively learn coding or scripting. I do enough to make my life easier.
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tonkats@reddit

Lol, hackers salivating and cybersec pros cringing at some of the responses in this thread.
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CampNo1318@reddit

Most hackers are script kiddies cut and pasting their way through someone else’s script/code.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Hackers are salivating because most sysadmins aren't good at coding? What are you going to do, ward them off with your furious code typing skills?
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Loki-Thor@reddit

I would assume it's due to the task taking longer, but still doesn't add up fully.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

I know right. And all those butthurt pussies who can do no powershell/batch scripting keep downvoting the thread all because their egos got hurt. Lol.
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Any_Particular_Day@reddit

Colleague? Nope. But I was second to a Dir IT who was also sysadmin and of the opinion if you couldn’t pointy-clicky it (Windows server) it couldn’t be done. And his idea of automation was a checklist of go here, click this, etc. Server Core? Nope. Powershell? Ha! But you just *dare* to use ASDM instead of telnet (yes, telnet not ssh) into the Cisco hardware…
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tch2349987@reddit

Not colleagues but I know people that don't use scripts and it's mostly because they are a one man IT in a small business so they don't feel like they need to script.
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RoterIndianer@reddit

A one-man show and no scripts? They love to be overworked, don't they? My script collection is now huge because I simply automate as much as possible to have time for the really important work.
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ElevenNotes@reddit

> How good of a sysadmin were they other than coding/scripting? As a dev, I was always taken a back when I see sys admins login via RDP to servers just to navigate the GUI to then start Windows Update and the likes. Not only do these sys admins waste hours upon hours on meaningless tasks, they are also not willing to invest any time into learning the most powerful tools there are for their job: pwsh and sh. Even on this sub, if you mention to do something in pwsh, you get a huge backlash of people saying this is not needed, GUI is fine, and what note. Mention Windows Server **Core**, and you are marked a heretic. So how was the experience? All the sys engineers I’ve ever seen that can’t do pwsh also suck as a sys admin in general. They had barely basic understanding of how things work, but as soon as they had to do something more complex, that actually required pwsh to do the task, they simply gave up. Over the last two decades I have not yet convinced a single sys engineer to learn to code, not a single one.
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codinginacrown@reddit

I work at a university, half the people that have a sysadmin title don't know any scripting and resist learning anything that resembles automation. They've also been at the university for 30+ years and are just biding time until retirement.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Do they get pensions?
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codinginacrown@reddit

There are benefits that apply to people with that long of a tenure but don't apply to people who have started working there more recently. We don't have a pension system that I'm aware of (private university).
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alarmologist@reddit

We call those guys "boss".
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IllDoItTomorrow89@reddit

Yup, every company Ive worked for over the past 20 years there's always been that guy who knew absolutely nothing as far as scripting and had to have a GUI to do everything. Sometimes Ive been able to show them the light and they see how powerful bash and powershell are but more times than not they sit and complain that they cant do things or it takes to long because they absolutely refuse to try learning it or even admitting that its a better approach when needing to run bulk operations.
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

And at every company I've worked at there was always the snarky know-it-all coder guy who thought he knew everything better than everyone, and invariably he was the one responsible for taking the whole company down for hours/days because he didn't check his code properly before he deployed it and \*poof\* suddenly nobody can connect to the servers.
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NoConundrum@reddit

zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Here_for_newsnp@reddit

I know a bit of batch, a bit of bash, and a bit of powershell. Mostly I just look up commands I need. The coding I'm actually familiar with is C, C#, JS, and Java.
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revoman@reddit

I am currently an engineer and previously director and manger and can't PS myself out of a wet paper bag...
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

I'm an IT director for a large engineering firm. Every bit of Powershell I've had to deploy comes from Google or directly from the application support for whatever I'm doing.
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cats_are_the_devil@reddit

Same. Or auditing type 1 liners. I don't have time or effort to put into learning intensive PS scripting...
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Current_Dinner_4195@reddit

Or need. It's completely unnecessary. Every bit of Code/Syntax you would need to memorize is shown in examples all over the web.
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punklinux@reddit

Yes. It confounds me at times. Former workplace had a really bad contractor who refused to write shell scripts for various insane reasons: security listed as the primary one. I suspect it was a mixture of incompetence and job security which tells you all you need to know about my opinion of the man. Sadly, the company considered him an "elder experienced person" and so they always took his questionable advice. Also hated DNS, did everything by hosts files. I checked his .bash\_history and got a gist of what he was doing, and 90% of it was shit simple stuff he'd charge hours for, like "Log into SQL database, pull out metrics (like DB health stats), write metrics to file, mail file to emailed report group." Like 4-5 lines of bash script that might take a normal person less than a minute to cut and paste commands (and given the formatting, I think that's what he was doing), and a bash script a matter of seconds. I felt I could do his entire daily job in less than an hour, and automate it so I didn't have to do it again. I have run into a lot of junior admins who are also quite bad at scripting. Lot of paper tigers are like this, since they tell you commands, but don't really tell you about scripting at all. There's also been a wave of people who think "if I write a script, they will know I am doing simple work, and I will automate myself out of a job."
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soundwave86@reddit

I have always worked with sys admins who did not know how to script. They cannot do or manage anything at scale. They cannot reliably perform complex tasks with any consistency. Many tasks take magnitudes longer than needed. They also tend not to document anything with some belief that doing so provides job security.
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Ssakaa@reddit

Some of them can be, themselves, replaced with a script. Some of them are good at dealing with the customer so the people doing the heavy lifting don't have to.
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

> Some of them can be, themselves, replaced with a script. Eh IaC then
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dongledongledongle@reddit

Yes. They're awful to work with. The Ctrl c and Ctrl v takes 2 hands to complete.
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Ssakaa@reddit

https://stackoverflow.blog/2021/09/28/become-a-better-coder-with-this-one-weird-click/
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elatllat@reddit

The more you know the less $ you get?
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

https://imgflip.com/i/8uzisv
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sadmep@reddit

I had a coworker that seemed proud that he didn't know any kind of scripting. I'll never understand that, he was also the one who would always complain that workflows were too long/tedious. Buddy let me tell ya about this thing that solves exactly that
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xboxhobo@reddit

I am on the automation and scripting team for my company and we have plenty of guys with little to no scripting ability on our service teams. A lot of them are great in other ways, but usually the guys that can script are the best. What in particular prompted this post? Did you just want to beat people that don't like scripting over the head? Trying to win an argument?
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

Nope. I was/am just curious because I see powershell knowledge as an ever-increasing requirements on the vast majority of sysadmin job listings, and I agree with them.
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xboxhobo@reddit

I think it's a reasonable ask, but puts a lot of people in a tough spot because it hasn't necessarily been asked for everywhere for a long time. There's also a pretty wide range of PowerShell skill from "can use APIs to staple apps together and create novel functionality" to "can copy and paste off Google but doesn't understand what they're doing".
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TechMonkey13@reddit

95% of the my colleagues do not know any scripting at all. The few that do are gods among men in my company.
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jimicus@reddit

Yes. He’d basically taken a couple of “learn how to admin MS products” courses. He wasn’t technically brilliant, but he wasn’t the sort to rock the boat - which was something this particular company valued.
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analogliving71@reddit

yes and they weren't very good or efficient at the work
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Ok_Exchange_9646@reddit (OP)

WHat were the biggest issues with them?
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analogliving71@reddit

well one of the biggest always was managing azure and m365 as powershell use is very necessary and if they had to make mass changes or do reporting against large datasets they couldn't as they just did not have the background to do it. And if they weren't willing to learn or show improvement they got terminated
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