I have been following Adam Savage's Court Case about allegedly assaulting his sister. Looks like they have settled out of court.
Posted by kn8ife@reddit | mythbusters | View on Reddit | 71 comments
NiftyMoth723@reddit
He's got a crazy sister. Mom came out and said she's got mental health issues and that adam's a good man.
BuggzRabbitBoy@reddit
anyone who is sexually abused by a sibling will 99% grow up with mental health issues because that is traumatic. Saying she is mentally ill doesn’t mean shit. If Adam sexually abused her then he is mentally ill too.
Cold-Possibility6834@reddit
Settled out of court does not mean dismissed. It means he offered her an amount of money to stop and she accepted it.
atoothlessfairy@reddit
What The effin eff happened? I have no clue about this
tryM3B1tch@reddit
Adam's sister came out that he allegedly sexually abused her. When that story broke out, his mum immediately sided with Adam saying she had a history of lying due to her mental illness
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/adam-savage-mythbusters-sexual-assault-sister-allegations-1234694909/
antoniodiavolo@reddit
Kinda suspect that the mother would immediately side with her multi-millionaire son who she's financially dependent on.
DryClerk4285@reddit
Crazy to see so many people immediately said with the mentally I’ll sister because of his statement.. some of you have clearly never had a relative with severe mental illness and refuses to get help. They get a scenario in their head and they literally tell everyone who’ll listen, true story or not, they just tell everyone. She has a history of lying and his mother immediately came to his side to prevent the daughter from causing more damage.. I really hope some of you never get the opportunity to be in a jury.. it’s you people that send innocent people to the chair..
Significant-Ad744@reddit
My mother would call my father abusive. Told about how he forcefully picked her up and threw her in the bedroom and locked the door.... The door had no locks...and while he did scoop her up and set her on the bed and took her car keys from her she conveniently left out the fact she was drunk enough to be slurring her words and just really needed to go to the "store" at 9:30 pm for important groceries
tryM3B1tch@reddit
The sister also had a long history of accusing people with no proof
Odd_Ad_7450@reddit
Or that's just what they're saying, and the allegations are completely true.
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
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Huge_Photo_6576@reddit
Dude shut up, her insane ass is clearly lying. And after all that it says "both parties are pleased not have settled this"
Which means, SHE GOY THE MINEY SHE WANTED TO QUIT LYING. Jesus CHRIST, how would you like it for someone to completely lie about you for money and greed and have EVERYONE not believe you are innocent even though your mother and other family members say she has a history of lying for monetary gain and other reasons.
You are one if those "believe all women gpni matter what evidence and key members say" kind of people.
You are actually helping to hurt women who were actually abused by that mindset.
Ok_Nectarine1971@reddit
It's sad you're too dumb to appreciate the irony of chastising someone for believing an accuser without evidence in the same breath that you declare her a liar without evidence.
Vivid-Conclusion8705@reddit
Her mother siding with Adam is evidence enough to suggest she was lying
34tmy-455@reddit
it's evidence he pays her bills and she'd be homeless if she went against him.
MixxiePowizki@reddit
His parents are actually pretty well-off . He comes from a privileged background, as he’s actually mentioned at times. His dad was an influential animator and artist and his mom was a psychotherapist. She would not be homeless without her son’s money. His maternal grandfather pioneered breast cancer surgery. All this is in his Wiki bio so it’s odd of people to suggest his mother would throw one child under the bus because he writes her a paycheck.
alrtight@reddit
no, actually it isn't. it is actually very normal for parents to side with the abuser because it is super hard for them to come to terms that their child is abusive or being abused. they'd rather say 'no, this never happened' and stay in denial because that is a lot less painful.
there's tons of instances where mothers will turn a blind eye to their own child getting abused by their boyfriend/husband. and even when confronted with evidence, they will jump to blaming the child instead of their partner.
Past-Ad2787@reddit
Theres plenty of evidence and its super common for shitty family members to do this, its glaringly obvious shes extorting him.
ilivedownyourroad@reddit
Actually the opposite is true.
When you have two children and 1 is a perpetual victim or has been wronged and is traumatised a mother will more often than not make that child her primary focus as it needs more care etc.
So after a life time of helping such a child it is more likely that a mother would side with the child she has personally invested so much into.
Ofcourse if she never liked or believed or cared about a child in need then yes money might be a factor....
SundayMorningSkye@reddit
Exactly
Endl3ssL3gion@reddit
According to various articles and even a quote from Adam's mother, his sister suffers from various mental health problems and has attacked not only Adam but multiple family members with false allegations in an attempt to get monetary gains from family members. It is unclear if the allegations are real or false but none the less it seems the matter was settled.
GrifsPDA@reddit
That’s sad man
alrtight@reddit
it's that statement that makes me believe her.
"For many years, she has relentlessly and falsely attacked me and other members of my family to anyone who will listen."
it's the 'for many years' and 'to anyone who will listen' for me. so this has been ongoing. she is desperate to tell the story and increasingly desperate because no one will listen. if she's been doing it already 'for many years', why is she only bringing the lawsuit now? could it be that it's because no one in her family would listen to her or believe her, so she feels this is the last resort to get justice?
in my mind, the mom defending him means nothing. there's so many instances of parents turning a blind eye to the bad things their kids do. it's also very possible she believes it but still backs adam because she feels like he is harmless now or that she wants to protect adam's career.
and the second part is the classic victim-blaming gaslight--- 'they are doing it for money!' how many times do you hear that whenever a victim comes forward?? literally every. single. time.
what both the mother and adam seem to be perfectly fine admitting is that the sister has suffered from depression her whole life--- well, that doesn't come from nowhere. life-long mental health issues usually comes from some sort of childhood trauma. and on top of that, how painful it would be for her that her own family won't believe her?
one last thing---- this lawsuit was settled 2 years ago. her last tweet about being a child sex abuse victim was 17 hours ago.
we don't know that she got any money, but i assume that adam paid her to settle. if she was purely in it for the money, then wouldn't she be enjoying the money? why waste her time tweeting about it 2 years after the settlement??? but she still is. she is leaving adam's name out of it, but she still feels compelled to talk about it.
all this isn't to say adam is a monster. adam was a child actor that did several projects, and then quit acting at age 19. it's very possible that he was abused in the industry by an adult, and that caused him to abuse his sister. it's very possible that when he realized he was wrong, he stopped and never did it again. but he cannot admit it to his mother and he does not want to admit it to anyone for fear of ruining his career.
Limp_Insurance_2812@reddit
Very much agree with this take.
She hardly comes off as a raving lunatic. She has a master's in social work and speaks very rationally. She offers coaching but I hardly see that as a money grab, I don't see him named on her coaching website. Possibly terms of the settlement but he's not the focus, abuse and healing is.
Second Wound
The only reason she went ahead with the lawsuit is because for one year New York allowed survivors to come forward despite statute of limitations.
From an article: “While nothing can give back what Adam Savage took from me, I hope this lawsuit will also demonstrate to my fellow survivors that we do not deserve to carry the shame of sexual abuse and assault”
She says her family knew but were more mad at her for speaking up than him for abusing her. If they had acknowledged it and supported her I doubt she would've sued.
MixxiePowizki@reddit
Having a Masters in Social Work is no guarantee someone doesn’t have personality disorder. My husband and were close friends for years with a guy who eventually got his Masters in Social Work. He was extremely unbalanced at times, would tell you elaborate lies and forget he told you them. I have a memory of myself mentioning something he’d told me years before that I had believes and his response was, “What? I was lying!” and he just laughed. I don’t remember what it was but it wasn’t a trivial lie and I definitely remember how betrayed I felt. One time he scared the hell out of me by very realistically pretending he was going to assault me. My husband and I were friends with this guy from the time we were all teenagers, until our 30’s, although by then we’d see him very sporadically. There was a final straw with my husband, who he was always closer with, when he called mg husband and at work with the same old bullshit he’d been pulling for years and my husband, a very easygoing and generous guy, just said,”I can’t do this anymore. Don’t call me again.” I could tell you so many f***ed up things about this guy, like the time he basically stalked a girl I worked with at a bookstore, or how he would joke about killing my husband someday. If you’re wondering why we put up with him for so long, it’s because we knew him from a relatively early age, he could be really fun at times, he could show compassion. I was 19 when my brother died suddenly at 17, and when I saw my ex-friend later that day, he said nothing, just hugged me tight, which was just what I needed. But ultimately he was toxic and we needed him and his influence out of our lives. As far as I know, he’s still a social worker.
Significant-Ad744@reddit
I knew someone with a doctorate in psychology and a bachelors in social work who found himself so enraged and done with his ex wife that he was fantisizing about using his pistol on her. He quit everything and moved to the middle of nowhere and took up metalwork
Past-Ad2787@reddit
She's obviously just shaking him down for money, he gives her some, she spends it, and then harasses him, he pays.. in an endless cycle. It's a tale as old as time and extremely common when 1 family member gets rich and the rest of the family is poor. Aside from all of that, Adam had a reputation for being a genuinely good guy, and she has a history of mental illness, and harassment. This whole situation couldn't be more clear and I have no idea how you came up with all that shit, you actually sound like you're a friend of his sister or maybe even the actual sister in disguise.
alrtight@reddit
classic victim-blaming bullshit. bye.
ttminh1997@reddit
the "victim" of this hoax is Adam, not his insane sister
EnthusiasmEcstatic74@reddit
Except it's not just Adam or his mom saying this. Other family have said she does this to THEM too. She doesn't just accuse Adam. He's just the biggest payday.
DestroyerOfMils@reddit
I’m curious where you read or saw that. Do have any articles or sources you could link?
34tmy-455@reddit
of course they don't, this is reddit. who's been protecting adam savage since the very day this news broke.
fact is reddit the same people who pulled the "we did it" bullshit are also trying to protect their guy.
Joeymore@reddit
You're way too charitable man.
Due_Example1096@reddit
The fact that she was saying things for many years does nothing to prove the truth of what she was saying. The are any number of possible explanations, not least of which being seeking attention and trying to extort money. Some people just like that kind of attention, playing the victim, receiving sympathy, getting people to do things for them or give them things. A lot of scams involve exactly that. Submitting a lawsuit could just as easily be a result of repeated failed attempts to falsely extort money from him, and her attempt to force the issue in court.
"They're doing it for the money" may be the most common counterargument to these accusations, but that doesn't automatically mean it's never true.
I've suffered from severe depression my entire life, and I was never sexually assaulted. There could be any number of causes for her condition. Could I just randomly accuse someone of sexually abusing me as a child and it would automatically be deemed true just because I've always had mental health issues? I guess I should try to think of someone from my childhood I really don't like then and see what I can get from them. Oh wait, that just disproves your second point.
As for her continuing to tweet about it, I'll just copy and paste what I said earlier: Some people just like that kind of attention, playing the victim, receiving sympathy, getting people to do things for them or give them things. A lot of scams involve exactly that.
I'm not saying he did or didn't do it. I'm not saying she's just lying for money or attention or some other reason, but your reasoning is just unsound. But hey, maybe all you wanted in the first place was just to get the attention from posting about it. After all, some people just like that kind of attention.
chris782@reddit
That poster spends their whole time Interpreting episodes of Buffy the vampire slayer on here and they will even try to explain quantum physics without knowing wtf they are talking about "i'm certainly not an expert on the subject, but from what i understand about it, it seems to me quantum physics is the opposite of physics. it's like it disproves how basic physical properties work"
What a joke lol
Tilting_Gambit@reddit
I find it super weird to believe somebody just because they said 8 words that you like. What's to stop your partner going on TV and saying exactly those 8 words to "prove" that you abused them?
You know that people, uh, lie right?
Her parents said that she's done this to others- it's only gaslighting if it actually happened. And as we can see here, the girl's mental health issues might be the main key to the story. Just throwing out "gaslighting" whenever somebody says a sexual assault didn't happen is not fair.
Do you think people who actually know and care about her might be more of an authority than you, who's read one three sentence quote and are now apparently convinced they know what's going on? With no proof outside of very poor pop-psych-analysis?
Nobody can tell if another person is lying just from what that person said. Not even professional interrogators or detectives. Reading a three sentence quote from the victim in the case and concluding that the accuser he's talking about is telling the truth has got to be one of the silliest things I've seen.
If you go away and read the case and say "The proof was really solid, there's so much more to this story", then ok. I think most people would tune in for your rundown of it. But as is, you've got a really, really bad take. And honestly you should feel bad about it.
pombear_raid@reddit
you unironically post this when it completely applies to you.
00k0ok@reddit
I believe her because what she claims happened to her so closely resembles what happened to me. There are details that I don't think somebody would be able to make up without firsthand experience. I can't claim certainty because nobody but her and Adam will ever know the truth, but I believe her.
alrtight@reddit
you don't know any more than i do, yet you choose to not believe her and spent a whole post trying to make me 'feel bad about it.' honey, i will never feel bad for believing the victim. why don't you feel bad for blaming the victim or not believing them?
you also didn't answer the question- why is she, 2 years after the settlement, still talking about it? still doing work in the healing-from-trauma space?
no, her family (which has direct stake in whether she is right or wrong) is not proof of whether she is lying or not.
EnthusiasmEcstatic74@reddit
Except you are assuming she's the victim. IF their entire family is to believed (it's not just Adam and the mother saying this) then she is the one abusing the family.
modifiedreality@reddit
Thats a whole lot of assumptions buddy.
SexiestMemeLord@reddit
Guess that myth was… busted. Buh dum tsk 🥁
Magnus1967@reddit
Now we don't know what the settlement is but it very likely has to do with them getting her help.
As for did it happen the answer is no. When it was looked into but the press it became very clear very quickly that dates times and so on didn't match. Then there the little matter he would have been 9 years old and in third grade making the whole thing ludicrous. He hadn't even hit puberty yet making his knowledge of sex vague at best and desire nonexistent.
Then the little matter she accused other family members.
The only victim in this would have been Adam himself
TheLadyScribe@reddit
Sadly child on child SA does happen but either as “playing doctor” or more common repeated what was done to them (the youngest case that comes to mind is Mary Bell, one of the world’s youngest serial killers who had been sold repeatedly by her mother)
funk-cue71@reddit
man, i understand sexual assault is hard to understand when you haven't had it happen to you or friends, but this completely ruined my thought of adam.
Could she be lying? yes. could he and his family be lying? also yes
the amount of therapy groups i've gone to where siblings talk about the abuse they went through by the "golden child" is atrocious. so i do believe it's possible she's telling the truth, but also she could be lying.
all i know is im done with adam.
look at johnny depp, he got hit with a case, and what did he do? dragged her ass through the mud to show the world what really happened. settling outside of court makes me think there is something here.
HankChunky@reddit
Or she's family and he doesn't want to destroy her life...? None of us know the facts, so what's the point in speculating.
Pasta-Is-Trainer@reddit
Do you know how expensive lawsuits are? Even if he wins, and she has to pay him for the court expenses, she was doing all this for money, so she wouldn't have any money to pay him. This was the cheapest option.
Outrageous_Ask_9291@reddit
No one who has evidence to support their innocence chooses to settle out of court. He did it, and i can't look at mythbusters the same fam
Polarian-Empire@reddit
Or you know he loves is sister even though she accuses him and the rest of his family a lot he doesn’t want her to dragged though the mud or worse and just wants her to get help that she clearly needs
alrtight@reddit
“While I hope that my sister gets the help she needs to find peace, this needs to end. For many years, she has relentlessly and falsely attacked me and other members of my family to anyone who will listen. By spreading numerous untrue stories about us in pursuit of a financial bonanza, she has tortured our entire family and estranged herself from all of us. I will fight this groundless and offensive lawsuit and work to put this to rest once and for all,” Savage said in the statement.
this statement makes me believe the sister. it's the 'for many years' and 'to anyone who will listen' for me. so this has been ongoing. she is desperate to tell the story and increasingly desperate because no one will listen. if she's been doing it already 'for many years', why is she only bringing the lawsuit now? could it be that it's because no one in her family would listen to her or believe her, so she feels this is the last resort to get justice?
in my mind, the mom defending him means nothing. there's so many instances of parents turning a blind eye to the bad things their kids do. it's also very possible she believes it but still backs adam because she feels like he is harmless now or that she wants to protect adam's career.
and the second part is the classic victim-blaming gaslight--- 'they are doing it for money!' how many times do you hear that whenever a victim comes forward?? literally every. single. time.
what both the mother and adam seem to be perfectly fine admitting is that the sister has suffered from depression her whole life--- well, that doesn't come from nowhere. life-long mental health issues usually comes from some sort of childhood trauma. and on top of that, how painful it would be for her that her own family won't believe her?
one last thing---- this lawsuit was settled 2 years ago. her last tweet about being a child sex abuse victim was 17 hours ago.
we don't know that she got any money, but i assume that adam paid her to settle. if she was purely in it for the money, then wouldn't she be enjoying the money? why waste her time tweeting about it 2 years after the settlement??? but she still is. she is leaving adam's name out of it, but she still feels compelled to talk about it.
all this isn't to say adam is a monster. adam was a child actor that did several projects, and then quit acting at age 19. it's very possible that he was abused in the industry by an adult, and that caused him to abuse his sister. it's very possible that when he realized he was wrong, he stopped and never did it again. but he cannot admit it to his mother and he does not want to admit it to anyone else for fear of ruining his career. so he settles the case to keep his name out of it.
to this day, she continues to talk about it, but just doesnt use her name. if she was faking, why dedicate her entire life to being a trauma counselor and spend every day posting quotes about it? all of that takes energy to do. or, is she like other survivors, where she she feels like her trauma is not wasted if she helps other survivors? (this is super common among trauma survivors. example john walsh, whose kid was abducted and killed in the 80s, dedicates his life to helping others find missing children)
Fit-Statistician6216@reddit
I don't believe her. She sounds like Judy Johnson a alcoholic and schizophrenic who destroyed the McMartin preschool and McMartin family.
ValuablePrize6232@reddit
Sure buddy , no evidence at all and only wanting to get paid . She wouldn't have settled out of court for money if she really wanted justice. We will never know but the idiotic armchair BS and believing people never lie for finacial gain or fame is hilarious . Hopefully you are never falsely accused because by that logic your guilty even if you didn't do it if you word your statement wrong .
TheRealJones1977@reddit
Gibberish from an armchair detective.
bucksinsixtynine@reddit
Lots of assumption here. None of us know what happened and it’s ridiculous to pretend we do.
ilivedownyourroad@reddit
Why would he settle? That makes him look guilty and does against his image of being a scrappy but nice guy.... His mum said it was nonsense so he should have ruined her as she tried to ruin him...
jayhat@reddit
Sometimes it’s easier and advisable to just pay someone to end it. As fucking infuriating and frustrating as that is. People in this situation with liars often do. People with scumbag squatters often do as well. Sometimes years of public litigation is much worse than just saying “here’s $10,000, shut up and get out of my life”.
fleemfleemfleemfleem@reddit
The fact of the settlement doesn't say anything about the truth of the accusations either way, really.
Honestly we'll never know exactly what happen in their house in the late 70s. I think either way AS isn't the person he was as a 9 year old, so at this point it's just gossip, and I don't think it should affect anyone's choices about whether to consume his media.
If she was abused, she deserves acknowledgement at least, and may never get that. It's sad, but kind of how things tend to work out.
ValuablePrize6232@reddit
Or if she wasnt, to be punished for making false accusations for mwasn't, sometimes you must use logic instead of being a bleeding heart that thinks everybody in the world is good meaning and good hearted.
stevesmith78234@reddit
My Dad once decided that he was well within his right by keeping his car in his lane as a large transit bus decided to merge into his lane, directly into the location of his car. Fortunately, my Mom yelled at him and he complied to the very loud request by changing lanes, giving the bus safe passage (even though it was violating any kind of friendly driving).
There are many reasons why people don't fight the fight, even if they are on the winning side. Most of them are a variant of "winning costs more than losing / settling." Keep in mind that if this goes to court, Adam suffers with every outburst of his sister, and odds are slim that anyone will fact-check the outbursts and withhold them from the media until after they can be substantiated / disproven.
NewspaperFederal5379@reddit
On one hand it's really hard to see anyone go through this. His sister is very unwell, and has been lobbing accusations against every family member in hopes of a big payday for years. She needs help.
On the other hand, Adam Savage had said repeatedly that all women must be unconditionally beleived no 👏 matter 👏 what 👏, so unfortunately by his own standards he is 100% guilty.
cutterjohn42@reddit
I;ll summarize, KACHING
Settling ANY lawsuit is FAR FAR cheaper than seeing it through, and Im betting that Adam aint exactly bill gates...
Attorneys (slippery thieves) are the only ones who 'win' lawsuits generally, between hourly rates and oh yeah they want a percentage of the loot on top of their fee plus hourly rate...
texotexere@reddit
Which could mean anything- could mean he paid her to just keep it out of court whether he did it or not, could mean she decided to back off because she realized it would be hard to win, etc.
I don't think we will ever get a straight answer. On one hand, given that they were both pre-pubescent at the time it supposedly happened, which is often a result of him having been abused first, it makes it more likely the family would help cover it up (both to protect him and whoever abused him if it was a family member). On the other hand, if you google her, it's literally one of the first things she lists in her bios, which is just weird and does make it look like she is trying to make money off of it.
dahjro@reddit
here you go
texotexere@reddit
like I said, if he was a minor and it was the result of his own abuse, it would be understandable for his family to defend him. Especially if it was other family members who did it to him.
As I also said, I don't find her completely believable either.
Which pretty much means unless she confesses to making it up or they find pictures or something, we can't be 100% sure. Which sucks, but honestly, given the age it supposedly happened and that no one else jumped in with their own accusations, I don't have an issue with watching his channel or Mythbusters.
Aoirann@reddit
Not only are her claims very unlikely biologically speaking, but as a minor he would not have been criminally or civilally responsible.
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
Yes he would have, we’re not talking about a child.
Aoirann@reddit
He was 10 at the time according to her claims.
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
He molested her from the time of him being 9 up to 12 years old, 12 years old is one year off freshman year of high school. He was far from a “child 4-9” he did it the first time as a “child”.
No-Idea7535@reddit
Huh? You're 14 when you're freshman in high school. At 12, some ppl haven't even gone through puberty yet. I'm not say he did or didn't do it, just specifying that.
CitizenKing@reddit
Them trying to say a 12 year old is an adult is pretty suspect in and of itself. I'm 34 years old and at this point 20 year olds don't even seem like adults. I can't imagine looking at a 12 year old and not seeing them as a child.
No-Idea7535@reddit
I totally agree