Air cooler VS AIO, What’s the answer?
Posted by Baloopa3@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 80 comments
Hi, I’m currently creating a build where I will be cpu intensive tasks like rendering and I’m struggling to decide on a cooler. Everyone is saying different things and I’m not sure who is right.
I have read through so many posts, so many times, to try and figure out whether I should go with the ls720 se 360mm aio for $165 AUD (currently 20% off) or the Peerless Assassin 120 ARGB for $70 AUD. Every post has a different answer, some say an air cooler is fine and is only a few degrees different to an aio while others say it will throttle without an aio. I haven’t been able to find a general consensus just a mix of reviews.
So now I’m asking for once and for all, do I need a 360mm aio or a air cooler for a 13th gen (specifically the 13700k) cpu when I’m going to render and run full loads on it. And what are the advantages /disadvantages of each.
Side note, how will the answer change if it is an 7950x instead?
No-Assistance8356@reddit
Something to note with air coolers is that they last longer.
Neosindan@reddit
ngl I am amazed I had to scroll this far down to see this point.
cheaper, last longer, and typically on par with aio
Free_Dome_Lover@reddit
I don't think 5-6 years vs 8+ really matters to most people tbh
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
Wait so how long do AIO’s typically last?
Free_Dome_Lover@reddit
I believe it's between 5-7 years for an AIO used properly to hit a point where enough liquid has permeated and evaporated before it needs to be refilled. Used improperly (having the pump at the highest point of the loop) you might take a few years off the life of the pump. But used properly the pump will last longer than it takes for permeation to occur and that's a very long time.
Ok-Option-5417@reddit
Where can I find the liquid
_yerbamatey@reddit
sink
The_Randomest_Dude@reddit
Heat sink?
Bednar121@reddit
u/_yerbamatey meant tap water, I think :v
MJY_0014@reddit
Preferably you use distilled water with anti cirrossive additives.
-_Dare_-@reddit
this made me laugh more than it should have.
CashEarly8185@reddit
idk if there is a refillable AIO
__Ri@reddit
they are mostly all refillable, just not recommended or ideal
CashEarly8185@reddit
The only one I've seen DESIGNED to be refilled is the Be Quiet one the silent loop I think?
__Ri@reddit
yea thats what I mean. like you can just unscrew the heatsink and fill it up, my old Evga aio even had a little fill screw, but most are not recommended to do that. Many have mixed metals and not having the specific anti corrosion additives will just ruin it anyways.
SeaRobinLore@reddit
inside the dairy isle at the grocery store
loganwills@reddit
Well yeah they do because you can put your air cooler in your next build
SmazenaVeverka@reddit
One year later and it's the first comment that pops up
Lyeux@reddit
that's because it last longer
yiradati@reddit
Just have to be patient
Kevitos1046@reddit
Preach.
cidiusgix@reddit
Talk to my 10 year old aio that’s been on 24/7.
StanleyLelnats@reddit
Air coolers have less points of failure though. You can replace a broken fan very easily but once the pump in the aio goes caput, you are pretty much SOL.
jjgraph1x@reddit
Guys this topic has been discussed to death. Both are typically very reliable, with some exceptions of course. For the most part you're looking at everything surviving the typical life of the PC it was purchased for. They both have perfectly legitimate advantages and disadvantages. It's not a contest.
Simple rule... if you don't know why you'd need an AIO, get an air cooler. Otherwise it's not worth getting anything smaller than a 280mm AIO other than specific compatibility reasons.
ImaginaryFlounder955@reddit
Old post but replying anyway: AIOs just look so much better than air coolers. Like the giant BULK in the middle of the motherboard taking up so much space does not look good.
Obzensphere@reddit
I would say an AIO is a no brainer for overclocking, this post was a long time ago but I just wanted to chime in
Neosindan@reddit
I am suspicious of this statement, unless you are using the same cpu the whole time :P
a 10yo aio is very unlikely to fit to even a 5yo board/cpu
Shayk_N_Blake@reddit
The corsair H100i V1? Fits my 5600X fine. With a bracket of coarse.
Maleficent_Okra_6212@reddit
My thermaltake aio is going on 6 years
Substantial_Fail_447@reddit
Exactly. Corsair pump from H100i Elite LCD XT is dead after 2 months of use. Replaced with Phantom Spirit and temps are down, it's a lot quieter (Corsair pumps are really noisy) and it's 1/4th of Corsair's price.
NoobBrawler0211@reddit
My h150i elite capellix is going strong after 5 years
Acceptable-Store135@reddit
Should say, this is actually very very important.
I've had two water coolers and both lost a critical mass of water in around the 5 year mark where the block could not loop water through the system. E.g. the pump was sucking in from trapped air so couldn't circulate water.
Thankfully both instances I was present to notice the instance. (Cpu very very hot, the computer freezing etc) . I shut the system down and worked out the fault. I was surprised that the motherboard (both gaming systems for enthusiasts with all the bells and whistles) couldn't shut down the system to prevent damage. Both instances the system wouldn't not boot immediately after - I presume it detected it was overheated. But it wouldn't take action to immediately shut everything down while it was powered on
The failing AIO could take out the cpu abd overheat the socket on the motherboard and potentially cause a fire when it fails.
It's something AIO users need to be aware of and chnage out the cooler every 3 to 4 years.
I would say you should also probably take the AIO out after 2 years and given it a shake and see if there is air build up in there.
zmeul@reddit
how about this: I bought my Freezer II 280 (open box) in July 2020 and has been used on a 9600K, 11700K and now on a 13700K
and the nice thing about it is that I have ~70deg C after 30minutes of continuous R23 Cinebench
Keldonv7@reddit
i have 13700k with AK620 and it wont pass 70c either with barely noticeable fans in multicore R23, with OC im at like 37k+ score. Before OC i was at 33k and stock with thermal throttling was 31k.
Obviously there was some tuning involved in the bios and 400mhz OC on both p + e cores but i assume u done the same as otherwise even on 360 AIO 13th gen by design pushes to 95+C.
ajinkya_13@reddit
e core OCd to 46 ?
kalopwal@reddit
AC may last longer but aren't efficient enough. Cons i experienced from a AC : - they radiate heat to gpu, vrm, case
LC have warranty of about 5 years, - they keep cpu much cooler, constantly - radiate heat to outside if u placed on top of case - doesn't heats up gpu, vrms
Also every new cpu is so hot, you gotta keep it cool. So no lower than 360 aio.
DARK_W_A@reddit
the only Con of lc is it could leak and destroy everything which is not worth getting
Keljian52@reddit
AIOs:
Heatsinks
For both AIOs and heatsinks, manufacturers often offer brackets to extend the life of the cooler.
The heatsink/AIO you choose shouldn't change significantly for the 7950x vs the 13700k, the 7950x puts out more heat than the 13700k when under load and at idle. This means is that it makes more sense to get an AIO (based on the above points) for a 7950x than a 13700k.
Do you need an AIO for a 13th gen? - no. Especially if you undervolt the processor.
Should you get an AIO to maximise performance on 13 gen - it depends on what you use the computer for.
Consider also how much of the computer time is spent doing the compute task - eg if it's only 1-2% and less than 10 minutes a week, perhaps you can afford it to not be as fast for prolonged rendering, perhaps you can go grab a coffee while it's computing. Having a heatsink on it won't kill it, it will just run a little slower on those long tasks.
As a side note, if you get/have a 13th gen chip you should absolutely get and install a thermalright cpu bracket/contact frame. They are safe to install if you watch some videos on the installation & think about what you're doing, and will make a significant (10%) difference to whatever cooler you're using for very little money.
Ultimately, if you're running a high performance computer then an AIO makes sense, they're quieter, and you're likely to upgrade the computer (and cooling) before the AIO fails.
Complete_Ad_5438@reddit
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Keljian52@reddit
So I don’t keep getting asked.
If your intended chip has a 9 in it’s model number (5900, 5950, 7900, 7950, 12900, 13900 etc) or it is the 13700 (k/kf) you should consider an aio.
Otherwise a normal mid/high end heatsink will be fine
No_Minimum5904@reddit
Man I read your first comment and was like kudos to you what a well articulated response that addresses every point in OP's question.
They you had to follow up with this comment!!
Keljian52@reddit
Thanks!
4444beep@reddit
it’s not a compliment
JimmiVP@reddit
Worst bs i have ever heard. A 9 in the number = considering an AIO lol
tuxbass@reddit
Also if the sum of numbers in your intended chip amount to 15 or above, then yellow colored thermal paste will work best.
Neeyhoy_Menoy@reddit
Can I ask what you would think is better for someone like me, this stuff is making my head spin lol. I want to buy a high end pc for gaming, currently looking at a 7800x3d and a 4080 or 4090 gpu. I also live I Texas where it’s extremely hot weather for most of the year. I’m currently considering a arctic freezer 2 either 360 or 420mm as people say they tend to bring cpu temps down the most. Would you say that’s the better cooler in this case compared to a noctua Dh-15
Keljian52@reddit
The 7800x3d doesn’t put out much heat or consume much power. Any of the top end air coolers would be my choice for it. (D15, peerless assassin, dark rock pro 4)
BMcBride2003@reddit
Is the thermalright phantom spirit 120se good for the 7800x3d? The reviews are good, but I’m still new to the pc scene so I’m just curious.
Keljian52@reddit
Yep, it would work well
BMcBride2003@reddit
Appreciate it 👍🏼👍🏼
NoCream1393@reddit
How long do air coolers last? I heard they rust
Comprehensive-Owl647@reddit
Nobody is right. Nobody is wrong. A good air cooler, is a good air cooler. A good aio, is a good aio. One has more moving parts, making it inherently more likely for a point of failure. One solution, is not better than the other.
At the end of the day, if you're doing heavy sustained workloads. On a strictly performance/temp basis. Taking nothing else into account. Water will trump air obv.
Stop looking to others to answer a question you need to for yourself. I don't say that as a slight. I say it. Because you're more likely to end up with something you didn't necessarily want/like because you listened to x,y, and z. When we're talking a difference of a few degrees, regardless of what "really good" cooling solution you choose.
You've obv already gone through the motions of the pros and cons. Now start asking yourself the questions that are pertinent to you. Stuff like. Do I care an ac could last 10yrs, if I'm just gonna wanna replace my cooling solution next build? Do I wanna see a big ol imposing heatsink, or would I rather see a cold plate and tube? Stuff like that.
I like both, and build with both. I choose based on whatever I'm feeling at the time. And don't look back, or harp on it. Because I'm not gonna buy anything. That isn't, more than "up to the task".
Xendrus@reddit
The way. You arbitrarily end. A sentence instead of. Using a comma is really. Obnoxious and difficult. To read.
Comprehensive-Owl647@reddit
I'm sorry, that I'm not the grammar scholar you expected on Reddit. I can assure you, I have not improved in the 2yrs since originally posting. Have a good day.
InternationalTap3329@reddit
There were redundent commas in your comment, in the same manner as the full stops earlier. It seems you've improved somewhat, as commas are easier to read past then full stops, but you still have a ways to go. I expect better from you in the future, Comprehensive-Owl647.
Comprehensive-Owl647@reddit
No.
PracticeAdvanced9600@reddit
So what did you end up going with? I mean for things other than gaming you probably should with an aio. You also didn't specify what CPU you were cooling, if it's 12th or 13 th gen than you probably wanted to go with in all in one. Especially if it's for editing, or rendering.
Baloopa3@reddit (OP)
Yea I went with an AIO! No problems - yet. (Although I think the 13900k is supposed to have problems, but I haven’t ran into any yet). It’s been nearly 2 years since this post and I made the PC and everything works well.
danuser8@reddit
If you have space in case, air cooler.
If limited space and better looks, AIO
Letscurlbrah@reddit
Everyone says AIO looks better, but that's totally subjective. I think they look stupid. A huge tower cooler is much cooler looking.
otacon7000@reddit
Why the fuck are we downvoting this person, reddit? I really hate reddit users for this. That person just expressed their opinion. They even stated that this is subjective. There is no reason to downvote them. Remember: according to the reddit rules (reddiquette), downvotes are for offending and off-topic comments, not for comments you disagree with. Stop creating echo chambers, you idiots.
Letscurlbrah@reddit
They are down voting me because I made fun of another guy later in the thread, and AIO users are sensitive about their bad life choices.
otacon7000@reddit
I mean, I'm a happy AIO user, but I still won't downvote you for your opinion.
HumorTraditional6040@reddit
"expressed their opinions" read the thread. It's not an opinion anymore if they make fun of someone's choices.
Flixurelol@reddit
for pure performance i'd suggest an aio, usually cool wayy more than air coolers (i only recommend arctic aios)
a 280mm aio will run u 75-90 usd
they both last 5-10 yrs when properly taken care of, although air coolers definitely last longer due to not having a pump
basically tl;dr: aio offers better performance at the cost of maybe having to shelf out \~85usd every 5-8yrs for a new one.
rimahsum@reddit
My AIO failed last year. Bought it in 2019 - so that's .... 5 years? Quite pricey to replace it :(
But using an i7 intel, and it overheats/gets hot super fast, and I play lots of 4k games/edit 4k videos on it.
RepresentativeFun238@reddit
Current spec 13700k @ x52 Uv -.065 grizzly bracket peerless 3x fan, in NZXT H6-Flow CinebenchR23 hit max 93c but avg. 87c and it does thermal throttle. 3D-Mark and cinebenchR23 does not freeze the seem @ -0.75v but gaming freezes @ 30min mark. using 7900XTX w/ ID-drivers 23.3.1 ULPS forced disabled
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
These posts are always so air cooled biased but I bet the numbers on popularity would show the opposite. Air cooled people are an extremely vocal minority. AIO’s (280/360) cool better than air coolers, especially when the wattage ramps up like with the 13700k. It’s a fact but somehow air cooler fanatics still argue it.
RepresentativeFun238@reddit
my 13700k running at intel spec still over heats running cinebenchR23 in my NZXT H6-flow and peerless 3xfan. from 95c max and 87c avg, im using grizzy bracket. now i went as far as to under clock to x52 and under volt down to -.065v and more and the system freezes under gaming but not under cinebenchR23. all fan slot are full
cherokee91red@reddit
I run an overclocked 13700k with a noctua dh-15 and it only peaks around 85° when running cinebench and hovers in the mid 70's for the majority of the test.I prefer the air coolers to limit points of failure in a system.
RepresentativeFun238@reddit
I have the same CPU and it thermal throttles in cinebenchR23 95c max with 85c avg. Mind you i have a 3xfan peerless assassin in a NZXT H6-Flow and 7900XTX. all fan slots are full. during gaming it hits 87-93c max with 78-83c avg. can Noctua NH-D15 do better?
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
My kraken has been powering one of my rigs since 2016. I'm more a man or luxury over practicality so I don't think my opinion will matter much. I have the Asus ryujin aio on my current rig keeping my 13900k cool
RepresentativeFun238@reddit
how cool is it keeping the cpu under cinebenchR23? avg and max temp?
OryoSamich@reddit
Just my two cents as a lazy pleb: I went AIO for my first (and current) build, but I regret it. I got an NZXT one with a screen on it and everything. However, after using NZXT software, I've come to hate all software like NZXT Cam, IQUE, etc. From now on I plan on basically going no RGB, pumps, or anything that requires software such as those and instead just go regular air cooling and only have to download FanControl and that's it. I realize my problem is mainly my fault probably, but all the different software and whatnot is just way too annoying imo. Not to mention that air coolers are generally cheaper I think.
Yodamest@reddit
Its nothing to do with AIOs, why not just get a simple one without any softwares? Like the bequiet AIOs.
-UserRemoved-@reddit
Air cooling and water cooling function under the same principle of heat dissipation via a surface area (a heatsink and radiator do the same thing). More surface area = more heat dissipated.
For a stock 13700K, top end air coolers (which generally fall around the 240mm-280mm AIO performance) are just fine. If you plan on overclocking, then using the biggest cooler you can fit in your case would be ideal.
The advantages of AIO are aesthetics (subjective), and kind of performance (beyond what air cooling can provide, so basically 360mm radiators), and ability to move where heat is dissipated. The disadvantages are adding complication and risk, given they are inherently more complicated with parts that will eventually fail rendering the cooler useless. Also, the additional surface area can possibly lead to lower noise.
The advantages of air are value (cheaper for same performance), and are generally more quiet (fans make noise, air and water coolers use the same fans. watercooling uses also uses a pump that isn't silent), and longevity as heat pipes should far outlast any AIO pump. Disadvantages are aesthetics (again subjective, I personally think they look better than silly RGB AIO blocks) and fitment (they are large and center).
StanleyLelnats@reddit
Another advantage of AIOs over air cooling is just the fact that the cooler portion is physically smaller. It makes upgrading RAM, m.2 slots, and sometimes ejecting gpus from the pcie slot a lot easier on certain mother boards. Also, I have seen some air coolers prevent gpus from being mounted vertically if that was something you were wanting to do. I’d imagine that will start becoming more and more apparent as GPU coolers start to increase in size.
larsreddit0@reddit
This - I went to an AIO because I got tired of having to take off my AK620 every time I replaced the GPU. It was so big that I couldn't reach the release latch on the PCIE
Yodamest@reddit
Asus motherboards are your friends, quick release button FTW!!!
FabioFrmg@reddit
Everyone here is making performance comparisons of the best dual tower ac's solution on the market in relation to the 360mm AIO's, is that it?
What if we compare the AC's performance with the 240mm AIO's in the same price range?