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Secret industry documents reveal that makers of PFAS 'forever chemicals' covered up their health dangers

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Economy-Dimension162@reddit

In other news the sky is blue
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cestbonn@reddit

doi.
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Nethlem@reddit (OP)

Just like with tobacco and with fossil fuels; The profiteers know the damage they are doing, but they don't care, they rather spend money and effort on denial and lies. Decades later and this problem looks like it can't even be solved anymore, as [this stuff is by now literally in the rainwater](https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/08/04/rainwater-everywhere-on-earth-unsafe-to-drink-due-to-forever-chemicals-study-finds).
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nosesinroses@reddit

Who are these profiteers, what are their names? Are they still around today?
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Nethlem@reddit (OP)

> A new paper published May 31, 2023, in Annals of Global Health, examines documents from DuPont and 3M, the largest manufacturers of PFAS.
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nosesinroses@reddit

DuPont: the documents span from 1961 to 2006. It doesn’t list who was CEO at the time, just that Irénée du Pont was CEO during the WWII buildup and also a financial supporter to the nazis (go figure). But he died in 1963. I would like to know who were the monsters in charge of this company from 1961-2006. 3M: don’t see much information about who were the executives during this timeframe. There’s gotta be some way to track them down. Although, I guess fingers could always be pointed at the current executives. There’s no way that this information didn’t get passed down over time.
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weliveinacartoon@reddit

It's the law. If they do not try to maximize short term profits they can be sued or even prosecuted for failure of their fiduciary responsibilities.
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endadaroad@reddit

Well, then, why not just pull their corporate charter and render that discussion moot. They should not be allowed to exist.
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FireflyAdvocate@reddit

If corporations are people they need to die at some point like people do.
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WorldsLargestAmoeba@reddit

Considering the things corporations has done there has been far too few of them with life imprisonment without parole, death sentences, and, solitary confinement.... Obviously the courts are not working as advertised
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weliveinacartoon@reddit

The basics of English common law I am afraid. Perhaps we should try to figure out a system that does not give so much unaccountable power to individuals and does not require constant growth.
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Taqueria_Style@reddit

As if anyone is going to care what the US thinks in 50 years. Hell, in 15 for that matter, but I'm padding the shit out of it to make it more palatable. Any other country on Earth would steal these guys' patents, steal their research, feed it to their own home grown companies, steal their bribe money, then their bank accounts, then their kidneys. They are painting a very large crosshairs on their foreheads. All reliant on being able to bribe their way out of it. Well, bad news...
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McGauth925@reddit

They PAY politicians, via campaign donations, so that their charter won't be pulled. Our government works for the highest bidder- and that ain't you or me.
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TwilightXion@reddit

That law was deifntely designed with the wealthy in mind.
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weliveinacartoon@reddit

It's called capitalism. It also requires the government to bail out the major centers of wealth concentration when they are in trouble to avoid 'collapsing the system'. Been a feature since it began.
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McGauth925@reddit

That's why corporations donate to political campaigns. Much cheaper than taxes and regulation. Then the politicians work for them. it helps when they also contribute to think tanks that will come up with plausible sounding reasons why serving the ruling class is better for everybody.
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FuhrerGirthWorm@reddit

I thought we found this out when it came out they were dumping Teflon in my drinking water. Fucking bastards.
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deinterest@reddit

Fuck Dupont. *watches Dark Waters again*
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FuhrerGirthWorm@reddit

Oh man I can’t watch it or the devil we know again. Seeing houses on there that I went by every day just hurts. People I knew were interviewed. Friends family with health impacts such as thyroid issues and cancer suffering… I fully believe I was spared because I drank so much pop growing up.
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ChiefInternetSurfer@reddit

> I fully believe I was spared Spared…..*so far*
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Footner@reddit

Yeah, and DuPont paid less than a third of a years profits (for only Teflon) as a punishment, why would any company do it with those stakes at risk
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geekgentleman@reddit

Capitalism rewards psychopaths. It is a sick game where the less you care, the more you win. And the more you care, the more you suffer. There are rare exceptions but this has been true enough for long enough that it's clear by now that nothing will change until revolution or complete collapse, with the latter being much more likely.
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OkonkwoYamCO@reddit

We live in a system that *literally* rewards psychopathic behaviour.
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ridl@reddit

why would psychopaths care? the system is set up to inable these Armani mass murderers.
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ridl@reddit

and just like with tobacco and fossil fuels it'll happen again and again unless and until high level execs and board members end up serving significant jail time. Or better yet end up in the Hague. The dark triad personality types who end up in positions of power are *literally incapable* of caring about harming others, and even enjoy it. Without the potential for significant personal consequence there is zero reason to think c-level pathologies won't continue committing horrific systemic crimes.
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Uhh_JustADude@reddit

Denial and lies are **way** cheaper than doing the right thing. Hell, even paying settlements is way cheaper than doing the right thing.
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ExoticMeatDealer@reddit

After sugar, climate change, leaded gas, cigarettes, opiates, and pesticides I would surely thought they learned their lesson!
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MrD3a7h@reddit

Capitalism is incompatible with human rights.
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sleepydamselfly@reddit

and wildlife and nature rights
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vocalfreesia@reddit

Why? None of those industries had any real consequences.
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Taqueria_Style@reddit

There will be consequences. Will America rule the world forever? And the very second it no longer does, they are merely in everyone else's way. In more ways than one. Everyone else has rather more extreme solutions to these issues.
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ok_raspberry_jam@reddit

That was that person's point.
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throws_ra@reddit

Of course not, they are greedy just like AI companies.
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montroller@reddit

I'm kinda curious why you brought up AI companies
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throws_ra@reddit

The dangers of AI are quite often discussed here https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/137quii/ibm_will_lay_off_thousands_of_employees_their/ https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/92sxfd/what_if_ai_machines_take_most_jobs_and_there_is/ /r/ChatGPT/comments/13aeww8/i_know_this_post_will_get_zero_attention_or_down/ https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/zoliif/why_you_should_keep_an_eye_on_openai/ https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/12e0zv6/society_is_absolutely_asleep_at_the_wheel_in/ Sam Altman proposed UBI to address the issue of people losing their jobs to AI. And the venture capitalists are behind them. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/30/openai-ceo-sam-altman-says-ai-could-pay-for-ubi-experts-disagree.html
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montroller@reddit

gotcha thanks for the links. Your comment caught me off guard because the OP was listing things that are health concerns and AI just seemed random.
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picheezy@reddit

> Of course not, they are ~~greedy~~ just like AI companies. You almost got it
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Ipayforsex69@reddit

They did and it's a simple lesson. If I make $100 and I have to pay a settlement for $1, I'll have $99 left.
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Jeveran@reddit

At that point, it's not a fine but a fee.
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doomtherich@reddit

Or you know profit off the solutions https://pfasproject.com/2019/07/01/dupont-now-profiting-from-water-filters-used-to-clean-drinking-water-contaminated-by-dupont-yes-you-read-that-correctly/
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Visual_Athlete_42@reddit

It’s like Purdue profiting off suboxone and narcan, after creating an opiate epidemic a decade ago
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Z3r0sama2017@reddit

Beautiful. Captialism wins again.
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Ipayforsex69@reddit

Gets me every time. Create the problem and the solution. Win win. Now if your solution has a little manufactured obsolescence, then you're on the right track.
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grambell789@reddit

worst case, suck out all the assets into sister companies, declare bankruptcy. start over.
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Enthusiast9@reddit

You mean as long as we make billionaire dollars annually, we can do whatever we want without any real consequences? Cool! 😎 It’s funny. They sell us poison and when they actually have to do something, they use it as a marketing ploy to sell as a new and improved poison. Just like when the federal government decided that it’s bad for farmers to inject antibiotics and hormones into their live stock, they decided to use it as a fucking marketing ploy….
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teamsaxon@reddit

We simply fucked around and found out.
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hauntedhullabaloo@reddit

But they're biggering! How bad could they possibly be? (I know this is a lame joke but I've had this song stuck in my head for three days so https://youtu.be/BpgUQYARIsw)
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StoopSign@reddit

Vice did a good report on PFAS yesterday. Far from the best Vice ever was in 2016-18 but still a good informative report. Basically said the PFAS in US meat was 5x the EU limit on meat and that there's no limit or PFAS regulations in the US. The US already is notorious for having way less healthy food than the EU. US meat, poultry, dairy, apples and top breakfast cereals and soda's all have an EU import ban--for a variety of reasons.
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GlitteringHighway@reddit

So jail time for everyone in the company since companies are people?
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dnimeerf@reddit

Time to hold them accountable... Why I will win the 2024 US Presidential election by a landslide victory as a write in party free candidate.
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mandrills_ass@reddit

Of course they did, that's business 101
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DingerSinger2016@reddit

Never forget that Dow (former partners of DuPont but now a spin off from DowDuPont) decided that the Union Carbide scandal in Bhopal was *worth the thousands of lives lost and affected* when they bought out Union Carbide in 2001 AFTER the Bhopal disaster. Gotta love corporations /s
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GoGreenD@reddit

Fucking zero amount of surprise. Profits above all else. If anyone thinks we have a future, you do not understand the world we live in.
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gk2099@reddit

They are still making them with plans to stop in 2025. WTAF? Just fucking stop now.
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PM_ME_YOUR_LEFT_IRIS@reddit

That’s not how chemical regulation works. There’s almost always a lag of 3-5 years to swap things, the process is not easy.
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3pinephrin3@reddit

Seriously these things are used in an absolutely vast array of consumer products. They aren’t going to stop selling the stuff until they have an alternative.
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TamraLinn@reddit

2025 so they can wait for a GOP government that tells them they don't have to stop because mericuh.
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klobersaurus@reddit

this is the answer
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Canyoubackupjustabit@reddit

But if they commit to stopping now it may affect the stock price. And we all know how important the stock market is. Don't we? /s
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tanglisha@reddit

We know asbestos was used in talc until at least 2018, when the J&J lawsuit happened. Did they stop? How would we know? Wikipedia says it was found in crayons in 2000, I hadn't heard about that one.
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gk2099@reddit

They are prob making as much as possible to stockpile. :(
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Canyoubackupjustabit@reddit

I wouldn't doubt it. To stockpile and subjugate.
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Enthusiast9@reddit

Wouldn’t make a difference anyways…. Or at least that would effect us or future generations for a few million years or so.
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s3nsfan@reddit

Wait, we’re surprised? Another company putting profits above safety. I mean that’s how an ideal world should work, right? RIGHT?!
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Yongaia@reddit

Climate Nuremberg trials.
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Content_Date_318@reddit

like this will ever happen. Because it would mostly result in the current ruling class of all the western countries being implicated. Hell will freeze over before we would be allowed to hold those cretins accountable. We will do nothing but continue to watch them lead humanity off a cliff.
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tri_becca@reddit

There will be a trial, and nature will be the judge, jury, and executioner. We are all guilty.
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dumnezero@reddit

Allowed?
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Content_Date_318@reddit

pretty sure the US military would coat the Earth in nuclear hellfire before it allowed that to happen yes.
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dumnezero@reddit

I wouldn't bet on it. The people in the military are also affected by this, often times with higher doses. https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2020-military-pfas-sites/map/
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Content_Date_318@reddit

Yeah and the US has a large track record of making sure criminals don't get punished going as far as threatening to invade the Hague if they try to bring anyone to justice. They also have a huge track record of screwing over veterans with more than just PFAS exposure. ​ I'd love to be proven wrong, but the historical track record thus far shows that the US will violently oppose anything like the nature of climate nuremburg trials. They don't even hold polluters in its own country accountable.
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dumnezero@reddit

Oh, I wouldn't base much on anything historical. We're living in unprecedented times.
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Content_Date_318@reddit

that we are, but if we're making bets on how something is going to behave I'm more of a mind to bet on the established trends. Again would love to be proven wrong, I just don't hold my breath counting on US military service members to do anything but continue to play their role as paid thugs for capitalists.
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06210311200805012006@reddit

similar to epstein's client list. maxwell went to jail for trafficking minors to ... who? who exactly? that shit would topple multiple heads of state / governments.
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Uhh_JustADude@reddit

> that shit would topple multiple heads of state / governments. Not just the heads, entire governments. Entire institutions, many of which are **specifically tasked** with policing human trafficking. Whole court systems would be compromised. Epstein's client list being released would be equivalent to the CIA publicly confirming that Gary Webb's report on their domestic narcotics distribution was correct.
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klobersaurus@reddit

you know, if a small group of people systematically poisoned billions of people, no one would bat an eye at a capital punishment for the crime. why is this different?
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Grand_Dadais@reddit

Overshoot trials. But my best bet is that they won't be conducted by legal official entities. Some traitors will flee, some will be hanged. Also I have no doubt a lot of ecologists will be hanged by people on the far-right side, as they'll never ever recognize that the industrials that were manipulating them through their political parties are much, much, much more to blame than anyone else.
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Funkyduck8@reddit

One can only dream...A climate Nuremburg, chemical Nuremburg, pollution Nuremburg, resource hording Nuremburg...I want it all
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daddyneckbeard@reddit

this but more like how robspierre did justice in France
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katarina-stratford@reddit

Did we not already know this??
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tanglisha@reddit

We know if you heat a Teflon pan too high with nothing in it, birds in the same room will die. Apparently we learned nothing from miners.
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endadaroad@reddit

I shit canned all my teflon cookware 30 years ago. I have been cooking on cast iron ever since.
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sushisection@reddit

the forever chems in your 80s era teflon is possibly still in your body. how fucking nuts is that.
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RadioMelon@reddit

It's really fascinating when you consider that PFOA and PFAS chemicals were so deadly, so widespread, that they have poisoned virtually everyone on the planet. You'd think that even risking their own lives would be a reason to actually take things seriously.
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sushisection@reddit

the dupont inbreds dont give a fuck about the value of life.
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Enthusiast9@reddit

A lot of Americans have this “work until you die” mentality. Bold to assume they thought this far ahead. They’re either in denial, don’t care, or have other priorities other than their life.
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sushisection@reddit

DuPont just doing DuPont things fyi this is the family that runs this company: https://jonathanturley.org/2014/04/01/delaware-judge-sentences-dupont-heir-to-treatment-rather-than-prison-in-child-rape-case-because-he-would-not-fare-well-in-prison/comment-page-4/
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boomaDooma@reddit

Surprise, surprise, surprise!
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Forecydian@reddit

I don’t see myself living past 60 with all exposure I’ve had to so many harmful things . A lot of people downplay certain toxins saying “it’s only a small percentage etc you’d have to have x amount to be toxic “ which is probably true but you add all the different things up , idk I just myself getting a cancer someday .
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BattleCougarGo@reddit

I live in Chattanooga, TN, one of the more PFA rich hydrological environments in the US. [(Reference)](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acs.estlett.6b00260) When I moved here, I developed psoriasis across my scalp, neck and chest. I moved away for several years, and it disappeared practically overnight. Ended up coming back - and so did the lesions. A few people think I'm picky because I refuse to drink the tap water here. I've seen what it's done to the outside of the body, no way in hell I'm letting it in.
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throws_ra@reddit

Oh great, the greed of capitalists will kill us
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Canyoubackupjustabit@reddit

*Is* killing us.
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danknerd@reddit

Don't worry, it will kill the capitalist too.
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McGauth925@reddit

Yes, but they can just move to someplace where the water is cleaner. You and I can't.
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dumnezero@reddit

The greed of capitalists used to be killing us. It's still killing us, but it used to too.
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endadaroad@reddit

Will kill them also, but they haven't gotten that memo yet.
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themeatbridge@reddit

Has killed us.
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DashingDino@reddit

Don't forget pollution is also making us dumber and infertile Quick examples: https://www.calhealthreport.org/2018/01/31/teen-exposure-air-pollution-reduce-iq-levels-long-term/ https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230327-how-pollution-is-causing-a-male-fertility-crisis
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Uhh_JustADude@reddit

Always has been
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nbk_721@reddit

Capitalism gonna capitalize
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AsianAssDick24@reddit

Not even surprised honestly, these companies are scum
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McGauth925@reddit

Private profit, public cost. The people who tell us capitalism is wonderful always leave this shit out. This is something the market can't fix.
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Toast_Sapper@reddit

> As early as 1961, according to a company report, Teflon's Chief of Toxicology discovered that Teflon materials had "the ability to increase the size of the liver of rats at low doses," and advised that the chemicals "be handled 'with extreme care' and that 'contact with the skin should be strictly avoided.'" According to a 1970 internal memo, DuPont-funded Haskell Laboratory found C8 (one of thousands of PFAS) to be "highly toxic when inhaled and moderately toxic when ingested." And in a 1979 private report for DuPont, Haskell labs found that dogs who were exposed to a single dose of PFOA "died two days after ingestion." In 1980, DuPont and 3M learned that two of eight pregnant employees who had worked in C8 manufacturing gave birth to children with birth defects. The company did not publish the discovery or tell employees about it, and the following year an internal memo stated, "We know of no evidence of birth defects caused by C-8 at DuPont." Despite these and more examples, DuPont reassured its employees in 1980 that C8 "has a lower toxicity, like table salt." Referring to reports of PFAS groundwater contamination near one of DuPont's manufacturing plants, a 1991 press release claimed, "C-8 has no known toxic or ill health effects in humans at concentration levels detected." > As media attention to PFAS contamination increased following lawsuits in 1998 and 2002, DuPont emailed the EPA asking, "We need EPA to quickly (like first thing tomorrow) say the following: That consumer products sold under the Teflon brand are safe and to date there are no human health effects known to be caused by PFOA." > In 2004, the EPA fined DuPont for not disclosing their findings on PFOA. The $16.45 million settlement was the largest civil penalty obtained under U.S. environmental statutes at the time. But it was still just a small fraction of DuPont's $1 billion annual revenues from PFOA and C8 in 2005. > "As many countries pursue legal and legislative action to curb PFAS production, we hope they are aided by the timeline of evidence presented in this paper," said Woodruff. "This timeline reveals serious failures in the way the U.S. currently regulates harmful chemicals."
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Toast_Sapper@reddit

**Executive 1:** "Our product causes damage to the environment and people's health? How do we prevent the public finding out?" **Executive 2:** "If we just don't tell anyone, then no one will ever figure it out!" **Executive 1:** "A foolproof plan! Also lets offer giant grants to 'researchers' for carrying out intentionally biased 'studies' that prove our products are safe!" **Executive 2:** "Genius! And I'll make a bunch of patriotic memes about our product, and a lot that accuse anyone questioning its safety of being a gay child molester!"
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MrPeAsE@reddit

We should confiscate everything from these companies. Not just sopping at the corp but everyone who ever ran the company take it all.
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dumnezero@reddit

And from the major shareholders, historical ones too
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ender23@reddit

Ruffalo told me this in Dark Water
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capitalismsucksss@reddit

Shocked! Shocked I tell you. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought a company would hide the harmful effects of their product in the name of profits. What has this world come to?
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ApplesBananasRhinoc@reddit

Profit now, collapse later.
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disignore@reddit

and there comes the conservatives defending PFAS and teflon and non-stick
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dendritedysfunctions@reddit

If you haven't seen Dark Waters and want a glimpse into how difficult it is to hold corporations accountable for destroying ecosystems, lives, and livelihoods for profit it really drives the point home. It took over a decade with incontrovertible proof to reach a settlement which was essentially a slap on the wrist to hold the Dupont corporation accountable for destroying West Virginia and essentially poisoning the world.
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Deguilded@reddit

Coming soon: "These PFAS that we couldn't possibly have known about are a pre-existing condition that render you uninsurable."
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downspiral1@reddit

This is bad, but it's not collapse related. Shady businesses have already been a thing since the dawn of human civilization.
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Loreki@reddit

Ah, just like tobacco and fossil fuels and junk food. A cover up is traditional at this point.
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NoiceMango@reddit

The same thing the oil companies did with climate change which they knew about decades ago before everyone else did. They chose to lobby and spread misinformation to hide the truth.
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84557099@reddit

Been known for years. Watch "The Devil We Know" https://youtu.be/NJFbsWX4MJM
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JPGer@reddit

personally im waiting for the documents about microplastics, gonna find out that when they were making the original plastic we all have inside us today. Some analyst on the team put a notice out about microplastics. ofc it got buried
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tanglisha@reddit

DuPont: creator of Agent Orange.
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LC_001@reddit

Well next quarters financials would have been negatively impacted! Bonuses would have been lower. Why can’t you guys see that?
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battery_pack_man@reddit

Oh, heads will ROLL. Finally someone’s gonna get whats comin. (Haha jk all we are is grist for the blood mill of capital)
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conscsness@reddit

Do we call Sherlock Holmes or conclude that he, had he existed, is redundant since corruption at any level is beyond obvious? Asking for a friend. /s
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a_dance_with_fire@reddit

This is nothing new. The amount of pollutants we release into the environment is absurd. One example (of which I’m sure there’s many) is beluga whales in the St Lawrence River. For a long time now they’re considered toxic waste when they die. Give [this article (which apparently was from 1988!!)](https://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/12/science/pollution-is-blamed-for-killing-whales-in-st-lawrence.html#:~:text=Autopsies%20of%20dead%20belugas%20washed,to%20those%20found%20in%20cigarettes) a read. A notable quote: > Autopsies of dead belugas washed onto the banks of the river have found very high levels of more than 30 hazardous chemical pollutants, including DDT, polychlorinated biphenyls or PCB's, the pesticide Mirex, metals such as mercury and cadmium, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons similar to those found in cigarettes and regarded as cancer-causing agents.
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Enthusiast9@reddit

Holy hell….
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Enthusiast9@reddit

Color me shocked.
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deep_blue003v@reddit

I can't believe they would cover up something like this.
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fenris71@reddit

DuPont should be dismantled.
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itsgoodpain@reddit

Wait you’re telling me the free market didn’t help regulate this? Shocking.
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Uhh_JustADude@reddit

Every time. Nothing gets in the way of profit. **Nothing**.
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06210311200805012006@reddit

futurama-fry-shocked-notShocked.gif
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jenthehenmfc@reddit

Kind of just accepted I’m a chemical plastic person at this point
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Guyote_@reddit

Cover up and hide the bad info from the public so you can continue making money. Kinda like all corporations are grifters and liars.
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ttystikk@reddit

Lol of course they did! It's the American corporate way! Profits today! Pollution to our grandkids!
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FuzzyRussianHat@reddit

shockedpikachu.jpg
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Overquartz@reddit

And to the surprise of nobody companies are money hungry piles of shit who don't care until their coffers are empty.
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OldPussyJuice@reddit

Tbh most people don't care
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Flimsy-Selection-609@reddit

Because it will never be talked about on TV in prime time
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OldPussyJuice@reddit

Nothing is more important than jersey housewives, America's got talent and Kardashians
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Master_Income_8991@reddit

Until the kidney cancer metastasizes
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OldPussyJuice@reddit

They still won't care
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PepperUsual@reddit

OH WHO COULD HAVE TOUGHT IT? /s So it's just like with [checks notes] tobacco, refined sugars and fossil fuels, eh? Let a corporation get too big and it will also get too poweful for everyone's sake. It will have the money, not just to buy politicians and prevent regulation, but even to tamper with scientific work. The only things left to do are either to break it appart or to nationalise it.
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WorldsLargestAmoeba@reddit

TBH. killing everybody with slow acting poisons is actually a fair solution at this point. I just wish we could be just a tad more decent and selective and not kill as many other species as possible.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/Nethlem: --- Just like with tobacco and with fossil fuels; The profiteers know the damage they are doing, but they don't care, they rather spend money and effort on denial and lies. Decades later and this problem looks like it can't even be solved anymore, as [this stuff is by now literally in the rainwater](https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/08/04/rainwater-everywhere-on-earth-unsafe-to-drink-due-to-forever-chemicals-study-finds). --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/13xd5le/secret_industry_documents_reveal_that_makers_of/jmgh8cv/
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