What is the best Linux-based phone that can be acquired cheaply in the EU?

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Fit-Put-720@reddit

i know this is old and you may not see my reply, but hows the 6t with postmarketos? im planning on buying one off ebay just to mess with

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DevilGeorgeColdbane@reddit

It fun to play with for a day or two, but not much more than that

It actually runs pretty well and the biggest issue i faced was actually battery consumption

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Fit-Put-720@reddit

does postmarketos consume more battery or less then android?

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DevilGeorgeColdbane@reddit

Much more.

I'm pretty sure it's due to less efficient dynamic cpu scaling and less efficient graphics drivers.

So probably very device specific.

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one last question. if i wanted to say, but one off ebay, what would be a reasonable price? i already own a oneplus 13 as my main, so i just want a op6 just to mess with since i havent experienced the pre oppo merge. being able to use a unbricking tool such as the msm download tool sounds really nice

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DevilGeorgeColdbane@reddit

I live in a place where electronica prices are hilariously inflated so I really wouldn't be able to give you a useful answer regarding price

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Timker84@reddit

OP, ben je er uiteindelijk nog uitgekomen? Ik ben zelf ook opzoek, maar kom er niet helemaal uit.

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Geonite@reddit

pwnagotchi

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Silejonu@reddit

Are you actually planning on using one as your main phone? If so, I would reconsider it. Linux on phones is barely usable. It's a fun thing to install it and play around for an hour and a half, but that's about it.

However, if what you're after is an OS for your phone that's secure and/or privacy-friendly, look at GrapheneOS, /e/, or CalyxOS.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

Nope, I have an iPhone that I intend to keep until it stops getting updates.

I intend on using it as something to hop on and off for fun. Maybe also tinker with it and develop something.

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Electrical_Bee3042@reddit

Yeah, I buy a flagship phone probably every 8 years. I don't buy apple because of the fishy planned obsolescence updates they roll out, though.

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Prudent_Move_3420@reddit

Dont basically all big smartphone producers do this tho? Unless you use a custom image

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LardPi@reddit

I have never seen an android phone outliving android usability because apps are available across a lot of different android versions (well, maybe if you replace the battery twice it can happen). On the other hand, an iphone can easily outlive iOS usability because of apple hard rules on updates.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

I have an old iPhone 6 and most apps were getting updates until around 2022. For reference, the latest iOS that it ran, iOS 12 was released in 2018.

However, that’s nowhere near what happens with Android. Plenty apps still support Android Marshmallow and Nougat, which are from 2015 and 2016, respectively.

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DarianYT@reddit

But. Android itself doesn't even want to run apps that made for a previous version like 13 on 14. It's going to get worse.

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atgaskins@reddit

Personally I’ve had several Android devices that are perfectly capable still but stop getting OS updates after X company releases a new hw option. This inevitably results in some app I need not installing anymore after the OS gets a major v or two behind. If these companies open sourced hardware and software they abandon anyways people would continue to make use of these devices… but I digress.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

Yeah, Samsung did it with the S4 a while back I think

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froli@reddit

iPhones are probably the longest supported phones out there. I'd be curious to know what OEM provide security updates for 6-8 years. The oldest iPhone currently supported by the latest stable version of iOS are the iPhone XR and XS which were released in 2018 and are planned to receive the next iOS version this fall(iOS 18). I doubt there's a 6 year old Android phone out there running an official build of Android 14.

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wootster-yall@reddit

I'm not trying to start a apple vs android argument, because I truly do not care. The iphone 5 was one of the best pieces of hardware I have ever owned. But, what you are saying fails to take into account that there are many android devices with interchangeable batteries, but none of the iphones do. After 4 years, cell phone batteries are downright unreliable on IOS devices and apple was busted red handed intentionally accelerating the process with each update. So, it doesn't really matter that apple is providing updates for a device 8 years old. It is completely unusable for practical purposes. They are breaking your shit at the 4 year mark to speed up you having to get a new phone.

I'm not fucking with a device that has to stay plugged in most of the day. Android has it's issues, but battery life for fixed battery devices is better than apple on most android devices, and not even an issue on the interchangeable battery devices.

Plus, once I figured out the little nuances with graphineOS, I will stick with it so long as the developer continues the project.

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froli@reddit

Good for you. I'm also using grapheneOS and wouldn't use anything else. Just know it's only possible to install on Pixel phones, which do not have user replaceable batteries.

By the way, Apple didn't ruin batteries on purpose. They did the opposite. They slowed down phones with older batteries to allegedly prolong the battery lifespan. The issue is that whether it worked or not, slowing down phones made people feel like they needed an upgrade. They got punished for not communicating that they were doing that.

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Jward92@reddit

Tfw the battery life degradation countermeasures are optional now, and even when they weren’t they made a phone with an unusable battery usable.

Tfw Apple has consistently supported phones with software updates longer than every other phone manufacturer until very recently a couple Android brands have said they will do the same, but still have no track record of doing so.

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wootster-yall@reddit

Just pointing this out, because I said it in another post, but people keep forgetting that a lot of android devices have interchangeable batteries. Others have fairly easy to change fixed batteries. Also, the phones don't stop working because they don't get security updates. You can keep using them after they stop being supported and still get security updates, There are options if you are halfway tech savvy or know someone who is and can put a custom OS on it.

My mom's Pixel 4a running graphineOS is almost 5 years old, and I just put a new battery in it about a year ago. She has neurological degeneration and struggles to keep up with the demands of modern American society, so I try to keep hey stuff the same for as long as I can to make it easier on her.

There are other factors though. Troubleshooting custom android OS bugs can be a pain in the ass when the bugs first are noticed after an update. I understand why some people don't want to deal with it, but gadget enthusiasts and frugal minded people usually don't mind so much. It's when it happens and I'm not there to help my mom with an issue that it turns into a pain in the ass.

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LardPi@reddit

I don't think any phone can outlive android usability because apps are available across a lot of different android versions (well, maybe if you replace the battery twice). On the other hand, an iphone can easily outlive iOS usability because of apple hard rules on updates.

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MyNameIs-Anthony@reddit

Develop adaptive stuff right now on devices you already have (KDE framework has Android support) and then decide on whether am actual device is worth it later is my recommendation.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

I don't have an actual application to port. In fact, if I actually had something, I would most likely use PWAs.

I want to experiment with it solely. Development is not my primary target.

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Afraid_Ad_5049@reddit

I am questioning your claims of "tinkering around and develop something", if you already have an ability to develop applications, why are you acting/asking these noob questions...i.e. Someone with that kind of a background would never comment something like that...

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

Because I’m starting over, I guess? I don’t have any projects released to the public but I like to FAFO. Everyone has weak spots of knowledge. I for example, don’t have much experience of making graphical apps for Linux, but I sure know my way in writing a terminal utility. You cannot be mr Knowall.

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feror_YT@reddit

Look at iSH, it is an Alpine emulator for iOS and has almost every feature working (the only things I still can’t get to work are network commands and Docker).

I actually use it daily and have been for about a year now. Genuinely useful to have a Linux terminal so close all the time. You can even make ssh tunnels and access the results system wide (for example safari)

It comes with ash as the default shell, but you can replace it with bash or zsh. You can run gcc to compile c into binaries, you can run python, node, … git works too.

There is even a fork called iSH-AOK, though this one is a TestFlight app (either get a place in the beta, or install it from Xcode if you have a Mac). AOK supports different distros (from memory those are Alpine, Debian 10, Ubuntu and Fedora). AOK also supports some networking tools, and I believe the dev is working on Docker support which would be pretty neat.

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rubys_eleven@reddit

I’ve been using a Librem 5 as my daily driver for ten months. I fully agree with you that Linux phones are barely usable today for the average person who is not into constant tinkering.

The main reason I’m still not going back to Apple is that I’ve had enough of all the bullying, lockout, DRM, and lack of control over the hardware I paid for.

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ChocolateMagnateUA@reddit

What about LineageOS?

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Silejonu@reddit

It's a nice Android distribution, but its focus is not on security/privacy. It is on providing support for the latest AOSP on phones that are often abandonned by their manufacturer.

I've used LineageOS for years on several devices, and I've been really happy about it, but when it comes to security/privacy, it does not even come close to GrapheneOS. And contrary to what one may think, GrapheneOS is also much more stable, easier to install, and overall hassle-free.

LineageOS is excellent at keeping smartphones out of landfills, GrapheneOS is excellent at making Pixel secure and private.

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fireclaw722@reddit

And yet /e/ is recommended?

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asp174@reddit

I'd like to upvote your comment three times. Once for the mention of GrapheneOS, then for /e/, and another one for CalyxOS. I took a quick glance at GrapheneOS, and a superficial one at /e/ and CalyxOS, and I am impressed.

Thank you for the mentions.

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420FlatEarth@reddit

I've been using /e/ for at least a year now. Camera is a bit shit (always likely won't be as good as stock) but other than that zero issues. Would highly recommend!

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FikaMedHasse@reddit

I am on a Pixel 6a with Graphene, and just installed Google's Camera app and disallowed it network connections. It does a great job.

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420FlatEarth@reddit

Cracking idea! Never even crossed my mind! Will try it thanks!

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cnnrduncan@reddit

As someone who daily-drives SailfishOS on an Xperia 10 iii I've gotta disagree with you. I find it more useable and stable (and more fun/less frustrating to use) compared to Android and iOS!

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judasdisciple@reddit

I used to like my Nokia N900 which had Maemo. That was a pretty useable system.

Was very sad to learn that they stopped developing it.

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sr_022@reddit

I did try with one+ 6t and Xiaomi Redmi note 9s both are superfine and work smooth with any linux distro or any custom rom starting from lineage ,divest ,pixel experience and my preferred ub touch daily use .very pleased. From both phone but my first choice is one plus . Calyx os supports some OnePlus phones also . Sailfish os and Graphene has to wait a little since they kinda related to some expensive phones for my budget

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MatchingTurret@reddit

All Android phones are Linux based, so you have a broad selection.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

Yeah, but not proper Linux. I should have used GNU/Linux to make it clear.

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dumbleporte@reddit

You can install termux if you want gnu. You can even install gnu directly with root

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Kilgarragh@reddit

Do you have any documentation on installing gnu tools directly onto android? I’ve seen it done with chroot, but if you’re referring to something else… please, keep talking

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mrtruthiness@reddit

Yeah, but not proper Linux. I should have used GNU/Linux to make it clear.

But then you exclude PostmarketOS which, while "traditional", is not GNU/Linux.

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DJGloegg@reddit

You know what he meant..

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Jimbo_84@reddit

But it's more fun to reply to what he said.

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PureTryOut@reddit

A second-hand OnePlus 6/6T, or a Fairphone (4 or 5) or SHIFT6mq will be your best bet. The latter probably don't fit your price range, so I'd get a OnePlus 6/6T. That said I'm using a Pixel 3a myself and it works really well as well.

Camera doesn't work on anything but the PinePhone (Pro) and the Librem 5 atm though, although the SDM845 devices (most of the ones I mentioned earlier) are close. I'm saying this all as a postmarketOS developer obviously, things will be different for Ubuntu Touch and SailfishOS like others mentioned but as good as it is I wouldn't consider at least Ubuntu Touch as "proper" Linux like you know from desktop.

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Pussyphobic@reddit

Camera now works on Pixel 3a with droidian

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PureTryOut@reddit

Which is Halium, downstream Android kernel. So honestly, not interesting at all.

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linmob@reddit

I would recommend a Pixel 3a. While mainline support is still WIP (see https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Google_Pixel_3a_(google-sargo)), Droidian and Ubuntu Touch run reasonably well.

Another option would be one of the Snapdragon 845 phones (mainly Poco F1, OnePlus 6), camera is difficult with these though, although there's been some recent success: https://fosstodon.org/deck/@joelselvaraj/112621744555315631

Or, if you just want to play around with lots of projects and don't mind a slow device: PinePhone.

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we4donald@reddit

https://shop.jolla.com/details/91eb91d3-c3de-41d0-b3c0-7075a339112d/

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mikkolukas@reddit

Sailfish! ❤️ Jolla! ❤️ Finland! 🇫🇮 ❤️

(and a bit of Nokia! ❤️, as Jolla was an offspring by former Nokia engineers, after the fall of Nokia's mobile division, before Microsoft entered the scene)

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prueba_hola@reddit

subscription model....

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mikkolukas@reddit

What are you talking about?

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prueba_hola@reddit

about this: https://shop.jolla.com/details/91eb91d3-c3de-41d0-b3c0-7075a339112d/

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mikkolukas@reddit

Which means you can actually get updates to your phone as long as you want to, and not just the few years other providers give.

It is completely voluntary if you want to have those updates or not. Nobody is forcing you.

I really don't see the problem here.

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prueba_hola@reddit

can you tell more about Sailfish ? I'm curious and thinking in buy 1

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we4donald@reddit

All the Ingo you need you will find here:

https://sailfishos.org/

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throwaway579232@reddit

Unlocked Xperia 10 III is exactly about €200 and is compatible with free edition of Sailfish OS.

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equeim@reddit

They are moving to a subscription model, so you will need to pay for OS updates.

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throwaway579232@reddit

1) Free edition will still be free 2) Sailfish OS for Xperia 10 III is a single purchase of €24.90. Transition to subscription model is starting with Xperia 10 IV / V and Jolla C2

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

I cannot see any Xperia 10 IIIs on eBay without paying a fortune on customs. Other than that, I'll keep an eye out on FB Marketplace. Thanks!

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habarnam@reddit

There's a new phone they're launching in August, if you're willing to wait (and to compromise on the price, it's 299).

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todaynaz@reddit

You could look at our partner ubports, basically ubuntu touch. We use it in 78 companies in 22 countries.

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omginput@reddit

https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-convergence-package/

VAT and transport not included

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LvS@reddit

The pinephone is a 10 year old cheap chipset. It's closer in time to when Nokia brickphone ruled the world than to today.

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Sweaty_Indication897@reddit

OP mentioned earlier it's really more to tinker and play around with. In which case, the PinePhone is perfect. It isn't that expensive and it's readily available.

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LvS@reddit

Yeah, it may be. I mentioned it because OP wanted "decent performance" and the pinephone may or may not achieve that.

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omginput@reddit

You do not get decent persormance for 200

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NaheemSays@reddit

The OnePlus 6 will have better performance and if available be within that price point

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omginput@reddit

He is looking for a GNU/Linux phone not Android

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NaheemSays@reddit

I know. It can be flashed and it seems to be well supported by the tinkering community.

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idk973@reddit

Postmarketos on gnome-phosh or gnome os mobile

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mikkolukas@reddit

I’m talking about Linux *proper*, not Android

Akschually, Android IS a *proper* Linux distro. It just have a different package manager (as do any Linux distro) and executes the apps in a different way.

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Arechandoro@reddit

Fairphone 4 and installing

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mrtruthiness@reddit

Fairphone 4 and installing PostmarketOS https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_4_(fairphone-fp4)) or UBPorts https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/fp4/ is probably the best option.

They said they were looking for GNU/Linux and PostmarketOS is intentionally not GNU/Linux.

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MartinsRedditAccount@reddit

EDIT: A lot of people seem to confuse the two. I’m talking about Linux proper i.e. GNU/Linux, not Android. I’m not looking into using it for everyday use, but rather something to use as a side project.

^ From the OP

PostmarketOS is Busybox/Linux so close enough. Also: https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/GNU_core_utilities

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mrtruthiness@reddit

From the OP; they mean Linux as in "not Android"

... but they also said GNU/Linux. While I didn't know coreutils was optional, the main point of Alpine is to not be GNU/Linux (using busybox instead of GNU coreutils and musl instead of glibc).

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GERMANATOR444@reddit

I have a OnePlus 6 with postmarketOS which is great, but no camera yet. But Droidian on the OnePlus 6 does have a working camera, so I would look into that if I were you.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

What about custom kernels? I suppose that one could make a sort of a Chimera and run a slightly modified Ubuntu Touch/Droidian Kernel. Idk, I have never done kernel-related programming before.

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GERMANATOR444@reddit

So pmOS uses a mainline kernel with patches for the sdm845, but Droidian uses the Android Linux kernel that came with the phone and the original drivers. It uses libhybris the allow Linux userspace stuff to talk to the Android kernel. Since Droidian uses the original kernel and drivers, the camera and fingerprint reader both work unlike on pmOS. I use pmOS though because I like having a mainline non-Android kernel. But in my experience with pmOS, the phone is very snappy and performant. I have compiled tons of random projects from github and it is very fun to tinker with. You can even run minecraft java edition or even run a minecraft server off of it for example

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

How’s the camera on Droidian?

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GERMANATOR444@reddit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUU2cIvc2_M I personally haven't tried it since they added camera, but this video does an okay job showing it in action

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GERMANATOR444@reddit

And doing some kernel customization is possible at least with pmOS not sure about droidian

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lvlint67@reddit

lot of people seem to confuse the two

No you are just misguided. Linux phones died about half a decade ago.

There are forks of android that eliminate a lot of the privacy BS but you don't escape the android base.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

I think that you don’t know that Linux on Mobile phone is still going on

GNOME is working on a proper mobile shell for Linux phones, KDE updates Plasma Mobile regularly and Ubuntu Touch was taken over by the community and still gets regular updates and new ports.

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lvlint67@reddit

I think you've never actually used these products.

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chickenthechicken@reddit

https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ Ubuntu Touch has the best hardware support of mobile Linux and can run on a few old Android phones you should be able to get used for cheap. The PinePhone and Librem should be able to run any mobile distro you please. There is also postmarketOS which runs on a few other old Android devices but a lot of them seem to have missing features. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices

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daemonpenguin@reddit

I second the recommendation of UBports/Ubuntu Touch. It's good enough I've used it as my primary/daily smartphone OS. The trick is pairing it with the right hardware.

I wouldn't recommend PinePhone though for what OP has in mind. It's very low powered and none of the mobile Linux distributions offer full feature support with it.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

I most probably will look into a OnePlus 6/6T.

Cheap to find second hand, good support and more than capable CPU. Also, it can run more distros other than Ubuntu touch

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GERMANATOR444@reddit

This is the best phone to run Linux on imo. Check out postmarketOS, but also check out Droidian because it has a functioning camera on the Oneplus 6

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DramaticProtogen@reddit

If you want to get old and obscure, the Neo Freerunner is a weird one. Also look up "Qt Extended".

Then again, these are pretty useless for modern needs. They're just interesting to me.

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whlthingofcandybeans@reddit

Trying to claim that Android is not Linux-based is just idiotic.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

It is Linux based, but it is not GNU/Linux

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Hackpanther@reddit

I thought Android was Linux

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

It is, but not Linux Proper (i.e. what some people refer to as GNU/Linux)

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vgox@reddit

Pine phone

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untrained9823@reddit

There is no such thing. At least not as a viable phone for everyday use. Linux phones are still very experimental.

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gatornatortater@reddit

The nokia n900 was as usable as anything else back in its day... back before microsoft infiltrated the company and killed it.

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SalaciousStrudel@reddit

The best choice for a phone right now is a Pixel with GrapheneOS. If you have more money, get a pixel 8. If you have less, get a refurbished Pixel 7.

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SalaciousStrudel@reddit

The "good support" requirement rules out every single GNU+Linux phone.

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gatornatortater@reddit

That is a very subjective phrase. For me, both the pinephone and librem5 can easily be described as having "good support".... but I've been a linux phone guy for over a decade and an iphone or android phone are things I would never accept. So my standards are quite different from the norm.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

The Google Pixel 3a looks like it's a Good Option. And by Linux-based, I refer to what some call GNU/Linux, not Android.

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TECPlayz2-0@reddit

Yeah, we get that. (GNU/)Linux mobile phones are not as secure as Android for the time being, there's still a lot of development that needs to be done for them to even be considered as a daily driver. If privacy or security are of priority to you, Linux isn't there yet. GrapheneOS is the best we have now.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

I know the caveats. I don’t intend to use it as a daily driver.

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TECPlayz2-0@reddit

I see! Experiment away. I've already updated my original comment.

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gatornatortater@reddit

I've been daily driving linux phones since the nokia n900 was released 15 years ago. Currently mainly using the librem5. It is great hardware design. The switches makes all the difference, but it is beyond expensive these days and definitely not worth it unless you consider several thousand dollars to be pocket change. I bought mine about 4 years before it was released for about $600. This was also before the pinephone was even announced. 3g was getting discontinued and there wasn't any other option.

The standard pinephone is very affordable and works great. Not if you have mainstream phone expectations, though. Its a linux phone, not an android or iphone. The pinephone pro has better hardware, but not as functional since driver type stuff isn't working yet. Or at least wasn't last I messed with mine. I don't know what the present is.

Let me just say that if you have common "smart" phone addictions, then you probably won't be happy.

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Mister_Magister@reddit

oneplus 6

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Emerald_Pick@reddit

I just installed PostmarketOS on my OP6 and I'm surprised how smooth the experience is. It's very far from production ready, but when it works, it works surprisingly well.

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0x196@reddit

I have used a PinePhone, PinePhonePro, and currently use a Librem 5, all as daily drivers. Specifically I ran Mobian (Mobile Debian) on the PinePhone devies and kept PureOS on the Librem. All the things you listed kinda work! Generally speaking the Librem 5 is better hard wear and and things like the Camera and Cellular calling quality are better, but it is more expensive. Of the things you listed I would say the one thats furthest behind is GPS. It does have GPS and it seems to do on okay job of getting your location, but I haven't had much luck getting turn-by-turn directions to work.

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Ajlow2000@reddit

I kinda agree with other guy on the android thing. But other then that your two main options are purism and pine phone. But everything I’ve read/heard about them is that they aren’t super great as a daily driver only device. If it were me, I’d make sure I had an iPhone/android with a physical SIM card and then swap between it and a pine phone whenever I was curious and felt like tinkering.

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zarlo5899@reddit

But everything I’ve read/heard about them is that they aren’t super great as a daily driver only device.

very true the main issue is linux programs are not optmized for mobile platforms or for small screens most android apps run better in waydroid on a pine phone then most linux programs on the same phone

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S48GS@reddit

You still can build and install opensource version of Android on many supported devices.

"Phone" can not be fully opensource anyway because proprietary GSM component, and many other stuff.

Main problem of opensource Android - you can not launch "bank-application" there, only one "Google-signed Android" you can do it.

Android-device that can not be used as "payment method" - is huge limitation in modern world.

This why even opensource Android almost fully dead - no one use it.

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mrtruthiness@reddit

EDIT: A lot of people seem to confuse the two. I’m talking about Linux proper i.e. GNU/Linux, not Android. I’m not looking into using it for everyday use, but rather something to use as a side project.

So then you are excluding a phone using PostmarketOS??? It's not Android, but it uses musl instead of glibc for libc and is not a GNU system. It's sad that you want to exclude that since it's probably the OS that has the largest non-Android non-iOS footprint.

What I'm intending to point out is that I don't think you really know how to specify what you're looking for.

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alfamadorian@reddit

I ran Debian with GNOME on my Freerunner phone, 15 years ago;) I need NixOS on my next phone.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

That’s almost as old as me

It’s amazing to see Mobile Linux go that far

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Zireael07@reddit

I don't think any Linux ports yet cover essential features you mentioned ... at least not om smartphones you can easily get. Pinephone is hard to get, ditto Librem or Volla or Google Pixel and those are the models Ubuntu Touch works best on. That leaves pretty much nothing, especially in your price range

Or you could try browsing this list for sailfishOS but those seem to be mostly old devices... https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris so don't expect good performance nor support

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

Taking a look over at Ubuntu Touch, the Pixel 3a looks usable, and by a lot. I saw one being sold on eBay for €170 from Germany. Pinephone states that they ship weekly out of Poland, so I can wait.

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nimitikisan@reddit

170€ is way to mutch for a Pixel 3a which is EOL. Especially because you can often get the Pixel 7a <300€.

You should get a 3a or a 4a <80€ used. Check kleinanzeigen or willhaben if you are in DACH.

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

I was not able to find anything better that ships to Greece

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Tai9ch@reddit

Ubuntu Touch is only slightly more "Linux" than Android is. It certainly doesn't run "Linux apps".

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Zireael07@reddit

O_o Pinephone ships FROM my country? I had no clue.... I think I know what my next phone is going to be :P

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SomeOneOutThere-1234@reddit (OP)

Yup, they state that they have a warehouse in Polska Gurom. More specifically:

The EU PinePhone orders will dispatch weekly from Poland transit warehouse. For non-EU PinePhone orders will dispatch weekly from Hong Kong 3PL (Third Party Logistic) warehouse.

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