Those who live in an electric-only home, how do you heat your home?
Posted by Mundane_Leave8296@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 186 comments
I live in a 2 bedroom flat that is not gas connected, it is continuously cold and at times damp. There is a garage underneath so no heat from downstairs.
I have 2 storage heaters that are very old and panel heaters in each bedroom. I have a 2000kw convector heater that I carry from room to room but this only heats the room it’s in. I have this on about 4 hours a day and is costing me about £5 a day.
Any cheaper/more effective solutions, or do I just come to terms with having a high electric bill?
No-Photograph3463@reddit
I have an all electric 2 bed flat, and for me total energy usage averages about £3-4 a day at the moment and I WFH so it's heated all the time.
When I moved in it had terrible old storage heaters which were immediately chucked in the bin. I've now got smart electric radiators in each room, and they work really well, and are really easy to set and control using a smartphone, so no need to have a degree in programming to set up the times and temperatures.
I'm on Economy 7 at the moment, but really should move to a normal tariff as I use significantly more energy on the day rate than night rate tbh so could save some money there I think.
Fickle_Horse_2848@reddit
Which smart electric radiators did you buy?
handtoglandwombat@reddit
Air Conditioning, aka air-to-air heatpump. Got two of them. A lot of people don’t realise that air conditioners are reversible, so in the winter they can draw in ambient energy from outside, and dump it into your house. Extremely cheap to run, plus they’ll help alleviate some of your damp issues.
GreatRatio8214@reddit
Hi there! Wondering if you can recommend the one you got, and any advice about finding an installer? Thanks !
handtoglandwombat@reddit
I’m really sorry but I don’t feel qualified to advise. All I know is I’ve got it installed and it’s good. I guess I would say try to get it installed in a way that uses gravity to drain the part that collects water rather than the a pump as pumps are prone to breaking down. Also if I was to do it all again, I think I would spend extra money on a system that ran as quietly as possible.
loeastrose55@reddit
We are a 2nd floor flat with storage heaters (in the living room and entrance hallway ONLY) and shit tiny electric radiators in the bedroom and office.
The first year nobody lived below us, we could constantly see our breaths and I would cry at how constantly cold I was. The walls around the windows were wet and condensation would mean we were wiping all the windows down daily.
Then my dad got us a gas powered heater and omg, I feel I can actually live. Thankfully last autumn someone moved downstairs too and that extra rising heat has definitely helped.
Rental life sucks balls (and cost of living)
GreatRatio8214@reddit
Hi there! Wondering if you can post the name of the gas powered heater? Thanks !
PinkSudoku13@reddit
I don't like the heaters that are fitted in my flat (rented) so I never used them, they're crap. Instead, I have a fan/tower heaters in every room (except the bathroom, I use the one that's there). They're on from the moment I wake up until I go to sleep but they turn off periodically once they reach the temperature I wanted). I fully accept that it's not the cheapest method (can easily be £20 a day) but my house is nice and toasty at all times and it's easy to heat up in the morning. I turn them off when I go to sleep but the heat keeps fairly well till morning. Yes, I spend a small fortune on electricity but it's worth it to have a warm house (I work from home).
Becksnnc@reddit
Youre spending £600 a month on heating???
WerewolfNo890@reddit
Heatpump, electricity comes to £53/month and a fair chunk of that is the standing charge.
Rialagma@reddit
Air to radiators or air to air?
apm-designs@reddit
This is unfortunate and sole destroying! The fact that it costs £5 a day, particularly for a two-bedroom unit, is simply unacceptable. Unfortunately, this is a reality in the UK and many other regions around the world.
I'm unsure if this is a solution, and I haven't personally experienced it myself, but have you ever thought about trying infrared heating?
The reason for mentioning them is because I have had to do some research on them and from what I found, they can be up to 30% more energy-efficient than traditional convection heaters. Essentially, this could potentially lead to a reduction in your electrical bill.
In fact, despite this being an American study, the American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers published an article back in 2007 stating that infrared heaters consume about half the energy than unit heaters.
Source: https://www.reverberray.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/emerging_tech_small.pdf
However, the next question arises: Are they effective at heating, and how do they stack up against convection heaters?
Once more, my understanding is based on the data I've encountered, but traditional heaters will heat up the surrounding air (which takes up a lot of energy). Once the air is heated, you can switch off the heater and the room will remain somewhat warm for a while longer. However according to this article https://laminaheat.com/en/infrared-heating-panels/ because infrared heaters don't rely heavily on heating the air, they can help reduce humidity levels in a room, which might help with the damp you have.
Many describe infrared heating, in the same way the sun keeps you warm on a cold day, you can feel comfortable even though the ambient temperature is chilly. However, what many don't say is, what happens when a cloud covers the sun?... it goes instantly cold!
Another concern I've heard people mention is that with infrared heating, individuals may feel warmth on one side of their body while the other side remains cold, as the infrared heats whatever is in its path. In contrast, when the air itself is heated, warmth tends to envelop individuals more evenly.
All of the above considerations might make it seem like using infrared heating is a lost cause. However, I believe its effectiveness will vary depending on the circumstances. Like what you've described, I used to live in a home in the north (UK), and houses there aren't always well-built.
The house was always cold and even with gas central heating, it would have to work really hard to even get the house to 16°C. It felt like a never ending battle with all the heat escaping into the atmosphere (it is only effective if you can trap that heat into the room / home).
For us, because we were in a big home, it was unlikely infrared heaters alone would have sufficed, but for a smaller 2 bedroom unit, maybe under those conditions, infrared becomes just as affective, while benefiting from the reduced energy bills!?
There are also advantages to using infrared heating, so it's not all negative.
For example, convector heaters can dry out the air, whereas from my understanding, this does not happen with infrared heating. Additionally, infrared heaters are renowned for their remarkable lifespans with minimal required maintenance, attributed to their lack of moving parts. Furthermore, because there is no convection, there is better air quality and no movement of dust particles in the air, which is beneficial for those with allergies.
Furthermore, based on other sources I've read, infrared heating is considered an effective method for preventing damp from forming. This is because the infrared wavelengths are absorbed into the thermal mass of the walls, gradually spreading warmth through the brick, mortar, and plaster, ultimately heating up any dampness present. So, perhaps it could assist with this aspect you are currently dealing with?
Moreover, because they don’t rely heavily on heating the air, infrared panels can help reduce humidity levels in a room. This can be beneficial in damp or poorly ventilated spaces where moisture accumulation may cause issues like mould growth or discomfort.
thecuriousiguana@reddit
Try infra red panels. The layout needs to be right, and they heat in a slightly different way. But I've heard good things and they're certainly cheaper to run than standard electric heaters.
Worth looking into at least
i-like-veggiessss@reddit
I've been in houses where they have infrared and it's what I would advise to install on the ceilings. They work well!
Fickle_Horse_2848@reddit
I have moved into an all electric house a few months ago with ESWA radiant ceiling heating. Thermostats in each room, no timers. I have been trying to figure out the most cost effective way of using it while trying to keep warm. The manual says to keep them on constantly but I couldn't in case of a huge electric bill. Have you got any experience with this system? I'm trying to be prepared for next winter!
No-Photograph3463@reddit
I've heard terrible reviews for these. I've got an all electric flat and looked into it loads to work out what was best. The conclusion was the infrared panels are pretty terrible for actually heating up the air, which is what you need most of the time as that's what makes it feel warm in a room.
There are some use cases where infared can be good, but generally it's not that great, especially as a single heta source in a roo..
evenstevens280@reddit
Radiant heaters will heat other things up, which will heat the air up eventually. That's why it's warm on a sunny day.
penny_lab@reddit
I put them in my garden office. Work great, and warm me up really quickly. It feels like basking in the sun when they're on.
A-Light-That-Warms@reddit
Our house is fitted with storage heaters but frankly they are fucking useless. Sure, the house is warm when you get up and during the day when no fucker is in the house and then by the time everyone is home of an evening, when we actually need warmth it is freezing cold.
They also cost us about £6 per day each to run.
So we stopped using them and instead got a few oil filled radiators. They work out far cheaper to run, they give us heat when we need them and they remain warm after turning off.
bonkerz1888@reddit
Without sounding condescending, are you using them correctly?
So many people have both dials cranked right up so lose the heat from the bricks before the evening.
Modern Quantum heaters are way more efficient and do actually give off a decent heat. Quite big n' bulky though.
Outrageous_Watch_646@reddit
How are they more efficient? Storage heaters are effectively 100% efficient at turning electrons into heat - it's just that electrons are kinda pricey.
bonkerz1888@reddit
Advancements in material technology.. the bricks don't take as much energy to heat and they retain their heat better.
You can also time them to release their heat when you want to as opposed to having very basic manual controls which essentially release the heat all day unless you turn them off.
Outrageous_Watch_646@reddit
What advancements in material technology?
If the bricks don't take as much energy to heat then they store less heat energy, you say they 'retain their heat better' but what is 'better'? They store less heat and hold it for longer? That's just a slowed down storage heater.
Fishflapper@reddit
They don't take as much energy to heat up so.... They store less energy?
NotASexJoke@reddit
It’s a case of being able to make more efficient use of the stored heat, rather than the OPs experience of it mostly being wasted during the day when nobody is home. The laws of physics limit how efficient the heating wires are, but that’s not the only measure of how efficient the heating system is.
A-Light-That-Warms@reddit
Yes I'm using them correctly, they are just a shit and costly solution to the problem of heating a home.
And we have quantum heaters, but like I said they cost about £6 each to run per day.
It is backwards as fuck that with all the better options for electric heating we still default to heating bricks in this country.
bonkerz1888@reddit
Aye it simply comes down to cost. The cost to install and maintain air source heating or solar thermal etc is much higher than storage heating.
The cost to run them has been acutely more expensive recently with the increased electricity costs.
FarIndication311@reddit
3 new quantum storage heaters fitted including VAT about £4000 including extra wiring needed for an "always on" connection to allow the smart controls - according to quotes I had. High running costs as mentioned elsewhere.
Air to Air heat pump with 3 internal units, £5000 instalation, up to 5.6 times more efficient than direct electric for the model I have, instantly controllable. A much more comfortable home and also pays for itself (the extra £1000) very quickly.
I now pay 1/4 what my predicted direct debit was going to be when I still had storage heaters.
matbonucci@reddit
I had one on my my previous flat, never knew how to operate that ungodly shit, weirdly named knobs and no online manual when googled it. Same thing at my relative house
HerrFerret@reddit
Storage heaters exist solely so landlords can rent a house, as they are classed as a heating system.
They don't work for people who work during the day, and do not have a special 'night' tariff, I.E. everyone.
That's why houses that refuse to rent to people on housing benefit or the unemployed + storage heaters basically means 'no heating'
bonkerz1888@reddit
They exist because many areas of the UK have no gas supply so until recently it was either this or an open fire/baxi boiler. There are other alternatives now such as air source heating.
There is also a cheaper evening tariff for charging your storage heaters, it's called Economy 7 and has been around for decades.
HerrFerret@reddit
There are plenty of more expensive electric heating options. But the issue is that they are 'More expensive '
Storage heaters are the cheapest option available, and given the demand for housing in the UK, tenants take what they can get.
I didn't know Economy 7 still existed, we can't get it from our supplier.
askoorb@reddit
You can try and get economy 7. But the radio teleswitch service is being turned off next year (or uses radio 4 longwave and the BBC can't support it anymore) so everyone with a timed teleswitch meter is having to have theirs replaced. Some providers like Octopus do have smart meter tariffs with lower rates overnight.
Creepy_Radio_3084@reddit
I have E10 (like E7 but 10hrs off-peak). I also have a smart meter. My meter just switches tariff at the appropriate times. If someone has an old RTS (radio teleswitch) meter it will need to be changed, but no longer having the signal doesn't mean E7 won't be available.
bonkerz1888@reddit
Aye going forward smart meters will be essential to our grid system. You can already get variable tattoos for putting electricity back into the system either through solar panels or your EV car. Battery storage is going to be the next big push.. only issues with that are storage and maintenance but when it starts saving people most of their leccy bill then it'll be a no-brainer.
Legitimate_War_397@reddit
Energy supplier worker here, that’s really strange a lot of suppliers offer Economy 7 because typically all that is needed is a 5 port meter which are quite common. The only struggles I’ve seen is Economy 10 anyone with a Economy 10 meter that requests to switch to us, the Company I work for explains it’s not a good idea because if anything goes wrong with the meter they are buggered because we don’t fit E10 meters.
dorsetlife@reddit
Yes blame landlords for everything. 🙃
Nine_Eye_Ron@reddit
This person gets it!
HerrFerret@reddit
I find it's easier that way. Rarely proved wrong.
yetanotherdave2@reddit
I like my storage heating. I've got fan assisted though. I'm in a 3 bed open plan house and just have the one 4.7kw heater on the living room on and a small one in the kitchen to keep the chill off. I leave the doors open upstairs to keep the bedrooms warm.
I'm in the process of switching over to Octopus Agile and I'll fit smart controls to the charging to allow me to get an afternoon boost to the charge on them like the old OP3 tariff used to do before economy 7 came out.
Slight-Influence-581@reddit
I use the electric.
WerewolfNo890@reddit
Yeah, seemed like a pretty obvious answer to me.
OnlyMortal666@reddit
Witchcraft!
JoesRealAccount@reddit
I also use the electric.
redrabbit1984@reddit
We have a gas boiler and use gas
ProsodySpeaks@reddit
I love how this comment is downvoted but the oil and electric ones are up voted... People dislike gas? Or just jealous of actual fire? 😂
redrabbit1984@reddit
Haha I noticed that too. It's one of the weird things with Reddit I've stopped trying to understand!
dwair@reddit
We have oil heating and a wood burner because we are from the countryside.
actonpant@reddit
Do you use oil and wood?
dwair@reddit
Yeah. Wood for heating and oil for hot water and top up heating on cold days. We are about 20 miles from a gas main. Wood is free (cos we live in the countryside) so our heating / hot water bill is less than £300 a year.
We are looking to move to somewhere that can only run air source and the idea of spending this every month terrifies me.
Ok_Departure_1380@reddit
Mind blowing
SlyInsanity@reddit
I use my computer to heat up the studio flat
Ok_Project_2613@reddit
Do you own or rent?
A heat pump will save you a lot of energy.
Al-Calavicci@reddit
Na, with a heat pump you have to keep your home at a steady temperature 24/7. No short bursts of heat just for a few hours when you need it. Plus they are bloody expensive.
FarIndication311@reddit
Most of this only applies with a wet system heat pump.
Al-Calavicci@reddit
You mean air to water, that’s the most common in the U.K. by a very long way.
FarIndication311@reddit
Yes, air to water, if you go air to air you don't have any of those drawbacks, but I appreciate many want to stick to a radiator based system as that's what many people already have.
Al-Calavicci@reddit
Ours was a self-build (well we employed builders, did sod all myself) and looking back going from scratch air to air would have been so much better than under-floor air to water.
khooke@reddit
There’s so many variables that’s it’s near impossible to compare one system with another. Our ashp air to water with ufh works incredibly well for us so far this winter coupled with solar and batteries to bring the cost down. We maintained a constant 21c all winter in 200m sq for around £80 to 90 a month on Octopus Agile. Compared to a central air system in our previous house, the temp would start dropping as soon as the target temp was met, meaning it would cycle on again after only about 20 mins. With ufh, the floor retains and continues to radiate heat for hours (we’re not running the ashp continually for this reason, even if this is the recommendation, because for our house it’s seems unnecessary)
FarIndication311@reddit
The only reason I considered air to air initially was because a retrofit wet system (I had no existing pipes or radiators etc) was an eye watering price. Concrete floors, no void space for pipes, etc.
Went down a bit of a research rabbit hole and got a few quotes before committing but perhaps I wouldn't have even considered it had one of the companies not been honest with me and said basically "to be honest if this was my place I wouldn't install an air to water heat pump, try some air con specific companies".
Al-Calavicci@reddit
It’s madness, all these air to water heat pumps are going to be the next PPI claims I’m sure.
BalTooDee@reddit
Not true, I have aircon heat pumps and I just put it in high mode for quick heat and it does a great job.
Al-Calavicci@reddit
Thats air to air though isn’t it, not air to water?
My bad I should have made that clear.
BalTooDee@reddit
Yes air to air, I thought it was more relevant to OP as they won’t have existing radiator and piping infrastructure so probably better going down air to air route - if that’s even possible with an apartment though.
Al-Calavicci@reddit
Yea, I wouldn’t imagine either are an easy retrofit in an apartment. Kinda wishing we had looked into air to air when we built our bungalow but it wasn’t even offered up as an option and I knew nothing!
BalTooDee@reddit
Honestly I only have learned about air to air as my partner refused radiators, and the underfloor electric heating was too much to run so we needed something else. they’re criminally under reported on in the U.K., I do wonder if it’s due to the potential high impact on the grid in summer for cooling but if they’re partnered with solar panels in summer it’s an absolute win. My parents recently retrofitted their bungalow with air to air, and when we had someone round to look at the EPC he said that the air to air will lower or be neutral on the score but air to water would have improved it, he couldn’t explain why. The U.K. had a weird relationship with air to air.
Al-Calavicci@reddit
Absolutely, air to air would have been great and cheap to run with the added benefit of aircon in the summer, plus probably cheaper to install.
There is something amiss with what be are being sold.
FarIndication311@reddit
100%, a lot of it may be the "intertia" of us in the UK being used to wet systems and radiators. Some people like to stick to what they know.
There is something amiss!
Anyone without an existing wet system, I'm not sure why you'd even consider installing a new one vs Air Conditioning, they're also more efficient than their wet counterparts.
Ok_Project_2613@reddit
Depends on what you get and how it's installed.
Al-Calavicci@reddit
Yea, mines twelve years old now and will need replacing soon so no doubt something better than my old Mitsubishi. Now electricity is getting cheaper again I will probably use it next winter. Still rather have oil though (gas not an option) as that’s what we had before.
Fit-Obligation4962@reddit
In mine they are very cheap to run and house is always warm.It is on 24/7 but good insulation is the key.
Mundane_Leave8296@reddit (OP)
I rent, the landlord did upgrade my wall heaters to programmable ones but it’s the hassle of turning them off/on when we get a rare warm day
Sean001001@reddit
Don't they have thermostats so they just won't turn on if it's a warm day?
Mundane_Leave8296@reddit (OP)
No they can be programmed to certain temp at certain times/days of the week but no heat sensor
Clear-Alternative-57@reddit
How do they possibly do this without a heat sensor? It's a number from 1-5 or is a specific temperature you're choosing?
Mundane_Leave8296@reddit (OP)
Specific temperature in degrees so for example “turn up to 15C at 2pm on a Wednesday”
DeapVally@reddit
That's only possible with a thermostat. You have one. You just don't know how to use it.
Mundane_Leave8296@reddit (OP)
For clarity, they are programmable to hit a certain temperature at a certain time, regardless of the temperature of the room or the temperature outside. The point I was making was if it’s a sunny 15C day outside the heaters would still turn themselves on and have to be manually turned up and then reprogrammed again, they cannot sense how warm the room is or how warm it is outside. Well aware of how to use them, I was seeking advice on more efficient/cost effective solutions.
howarth4422@reddit
How will they know when they’ve “hit a certain temperature” if they can’t sense how warm the room is?
math577@reddit
Then you have thermostats on them.
Clear-Alternative-57@reddit
Right so that's what the previous poster was referring to, it will only come on if it's below that temperature, so you don't need to constantly turn them on and off.
Ok_Project_2613@reddit
See if your landlord is willing to get a heat pump system installed.
Otherwise, the standard electric heaters all just use resistive elements and you will get a KW of heat for a KW of energy.
Competitive_Gap_9768@reddit
This is awful advice if insulation is the issue. And with a garage underneath I’d put my money on it being cold coming from there.
Ok_Project_2613@reddit
Insulating should be done, yes.
But improving their current COP is good advice regardless.
Competitive_Gap_9768@reddit
If you install an ASHP without adequate insulation the home will never get warm.
Ok_Project_2613@reddit
That's no longer true.
You can get ASHPs with much higher flow temperatures these days which will work as a drop in replacement for a gas boiler.
Insulation is still a good idea though.
In a small flat, mini split air cons with reverse cycle is probably all that's required though with the benefit of air con in summer.
FarIndication311@reddit
Depending upon the home Air Conditioning / air to air may be the way to go. They're a great replacement for storage heaters in flats or smaller homes for example.
If you have a large home you can have ducting installed.
My home is a 1970s flat. The old heating method was storage heaters. Replaced them with an air to air heat pump without making ant other changes.
If the property requires X kwh of heating, if you can produce that x kwh via a method which is over 5 times the efficency of the existing system you're going to save a lot of money regardless any insulation changes you make.
If you want a lower output system then insulation will of course help lower the heat loss to enable a smaller system.
mdzmdz@reddit
I removed all the insulation on the walls between me and my neighbours and let them take the strain.
Some-Background6188@reddit
Oil filled radiators are good because it's a closed heating system. Convection heaters are rubbish as soon as turn off the heat disappears they also deplete oxygen because they heat the air. They also give off carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and sulfur dioxide.
Lunaspoona@reddit
I use hot water bottles! I turn the heating on only occasionally just to take the chill out. Have to have air flow with the windows occasionally as well. But I mostly just use hot water bottles and blankets. I also make the most of visiting friends and family when it's especially cold and take advantage of their warm houses! I was over 400 in credit last year because I rarely bothered turning it on.
royalblue1982@reddit
I heat my living room to 18 degrees between 8am and 9pm using an electric heater. But don't heat any other rooms. It costs me over £150 a month during winter months, you just have to pay it.
BlindWillieJonny@reddit
Economy 7 just means you'll be cold from 6pm onwards. Oil heaters are slightly cheaper to run if you have one that follows you around.
nathderbyshire@reddit
There a less popular economy 10 that gave you a 3 hour boost during the middle of the day to get some night heat and hot water. Not sure exactly why it wasn't the standard, it might only be available with SH that have a boost option.
Creepy_Radio_3084@reddit
E10 was/is a much more popular tariff in Scotland and the north of England than it is in the south. If you have an appropriate heating system (storage heaters, underfloor heating or an electrical boiler driving radiators or a water-based heat store) and you ask for an E10 tariff, your supplier should provide it.
nathderbyshire@reddit
That makes sense, might not need the boost in warmer climates, what about water though? I'm sure it boosts that too for things like washing up and a night shower or bath ect.
They seem like a nightmare, I used to work at eon and I used to die inside when someone said they had storage heaters. They were usually the biggest issue for poor heating and high bills.
Creepy_Radio_3084@reddit
I have an electric boiler with hot water core (even though I live in the south west). My hot water is always hot, and at mains pressure, because the hot water core works as a heat exchanger. The core runs my wet radiators too. I have an electric shower and I couldn't be bothered to change it. My E10 hours are 00:00-05:00, 13:00-16:00 and 20:00-22:00. In the winter my bills are horrific, tbf (2-bed semi, 2 adults, 1 home all day, 1 wfh 3 days/wk), but I like to keep the place heated to 20°C during the day because I'm a wimp. Having the 13:00-16:00 and 20:00-22:00 off-peak hours is great because everything is off-peak, unlike E7 on a separate meter where the circuit is only active for the heating and only during the overnight 7 hours. I can do my laundry and batch cook during the day when electricity is cheap, and if I run out of time I've got the couple of hours in the evening to finish stuff off. Even during the peak of the recent energy price hikes I didn't put my monthly DD up, and had a credit at the end of my billing cycle. It's now been reduced by about 1/3 and I'll probably break even this cycle. I average about £10/day in the winter and £5/day in the summer.
Al-Calavicci@reddit
Ain’t that the truth 😂 How long can bricks retain their heat, it ain’t long enough that’s how long.
bonkerz1888@reddit
It is if you operate the heaters correctly.
I've come across dozens and dozens of households that have each dial opened right up or most of the way and then wonder why their heaters are cold in the evening
Icy_Gap_9067@reddit
Nope. Our output dials stay firmly on 0 all day but when it's been turned off at 7:30 am and I get home at 6pm there really isn't much heat left to let out.
bonkerz1888@reddit
Doesn't sound like they're operating correctly.
Icy_Gap_9067@reddit
They're just crap and old but the landlady doesnt want to replace them. They might be tolerable if there was a timer or something so I don't physically have to turn the dials every time we use them. Or a thermostat or something.
bonkerz1888@reddit
Aye sounds like your landlord is just being a tight cunt tbh.
AlGunner@reddit
Not applicable to me but apparently the small electric plug in heaters you can get now are very efficient and cheap to run.
AbramKedge@reddit
I had a nice surprise when I moved into my all-electric flat. The heating and hot water comes from a heat exchanger. The heat ultimately comes from an incinerator a couple of miles away that burns rubbish that would otherwise go into the landfill. The incinerator plant pumps superheated steam to a number of apartment complexes, and also heats the local swimming pool.
The cost, including standing charge is around £42 per month.
Consistent-Whole-686@reddit
Superheated steam travels a couple of miles to your flat without condensing? I wonder what is the temperature drop over that distance and the pressure in the pipework.
AbramKedge@reddit
I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, I didn't even know I had to sign up for an account until I bumped into the owners association chairman in the lobby a few weeks after moving in.
The really bizarre thing is that it is very similar to a town-wide heating system that I incorporated into a book I wrote a few years ago, only in that case the heat source was geothermal.
Consistent-Whole-686@reddit
District heating is still quite common in Central and Eastern Europe.
aightshiplords@reddit
Also northern Europe. My best mate lives in Norrland (northern Sweden) where it's regularly -30'C in the winter. His little nowhere town and all the surrounding little nowhere towns are on district heating. It's not as cheap as the utopian vision of Sweden would suggest, about £350 per month in the winter, but it is district heating and it does keep his house warm and toasty. Apart from one time that the in pipe to his house froze because it was below -35'C for a week solid during the 24 hour darkness part of the year.
AbramKedge@reddit
I think this is the system - it's a biomass methane generator, which is slightly different to what I was told: https://www.fife.gov.uk/kb/docs/articles/council-and-democracy/land-and-property/property-portfolio/properties/biowaste-treatment-plant
greenbeast999@reddit
Diesel heater
Abwettar@reddit
Having a dehumidifier might also help, drying out the air can make a considerable difference to how warm it feels. Ours also blows out slightly warm air which helps.
There are two types though and I forget which is the best kind, so might need to do some research.
Abwettar@reddit
Having a dehumidifier might also help, drying out the air can make a considerable difference to how warm it feels. Ours also blows out slightly warm air which helps.
There are two types though and I forget which is the best kind, so might need to do some research.
OriginalPlonker@reddit
We still have gas, but only for the burners on the cooker. Our heating and hot water comes from a tank warmed by an air source heat pump. It's hard to tell if it's more expensive because we also have an EV that we charge off-peak
peppermint_m@reddit
I live in an old Georgian townhouse with very high ceilings and big single glazed sash windows. The storage heaters are pretty new, but they do absolutely nothing. The heating goes on every day to try and take the chill off the air, but I mainly try to keep to one room and basically live in my thick dressing gown.
itsshakespeare@reddit
What’s the insulation like above your flat? If you’re the top flat, sometimes all the heat goes out through the roof. Also, what are the windows like? Secondary glazing is cheaper than new windows or you could get thermal-lined curtains
Mundane_Leave8296@reddit (OP)
I have a loft unsure how well insulated, I live in a UNESCO area so limits on house exterior i.e. no PVC allowed
emehen@reddit
Sorry if it's already been suggested elsewhere but, if you're living over a garage, it's likely that it's the floor space that will need insulating and it's not a simple fix. I have a bedroom over a garage and it's a good 3 or 4 degrees colder than other rooms in the house when it's cold outside. Plus I have to run the radiators far longer to get it up to heat.
itsshakespeare@reddit
It’s worth looking into the insulation, because it’s one of the things you can do fairly cheaply (but not the spray insulation!). Secondary glazing is internal, so you should be ok if it’s not listed. Thermal-lined curtains are good, or you can buy thermal linings that you hook onto the existing curtains
Agreeable_Ask_6150@reddit
Air con
VegetableWeekend6886@reddit
I have infrared heaters in both rooms, they work a treat and are about 4p an hour to run. They work much better than fan heaters because they heat the room up evenly and gradually. The big one set me back about £240 but have more than made up for it with that I’m saving on bills
SkylineR33FTW@reddit
Exactly this setup here, have a panel in each room and don't touch the convector awful heaters I bought the flat with (would remove but selling soon so plan to take the panels instead),
Would highly recommend
Al-Calavicci@reddit
I’m in a bungalow and use a wood burner, open the doors to the rooms we want warm and works very well. Luckily we have free wood.
Will add that we have an air source heat pump, and as with all electric heating it’s bloody expensive to run so we’ve stopped using it since electricity prices went insane.
handtoglandwombat@reddit
An air source heatpump should be extremely cheap and efficient. Are you sure it’s not doing resistance heating?
Al-Calavicci@reddit
You are not taking into account the cost of electricity over gas and the need for an air to water pump to be heating 24/7.
And the efficiency ratings are usually calculated in ideal conditions, which rarely occur.
handtoglandwombat@reddit
Oh air-to-water, my apologies.
Al-Calavicci@reddit
Yea, my fault I didn’t specify. I think we just presume every one is talking about what we have.
yorkspirate@reddit
I frankly storage heaters are dogshit even on an economy 7 tariff - they take 2 days to get the temperature you wanted which by then has changed and cost a fortune to run as a bonus.
I’m electric only and have a fairly new panel heater in my living room (I like a cold bedroom so don’t have heating in there) it’s actually quite economical and I can set it with times like a regular heating system. Not sure how much it cost to buy as the council made the landlord fit it when doing a license check as I rent (and someone who shall not be known as a pirate in Yorks had removed the storage heaters already) I’ll get the details for you when I get home if you like OP
CrazyMike419@reddit
If setup correctly a diesel heater is awesome. I have a garden office. It's not a shed, so proper brick built thing. Only has electricity and it was getting silly expensive to keep it warm in winter.
I installed a diesel heater and its nice and toasty. You HAVE to exhaust it outside (sadly some people have made that error..).
Temporary-Zebra97@reddit
Wood pellet boiler, big arse german thing with a 850 litre hot water tank.
ben_jam_in_short@reddit
Old storage heaters are naff. Change (if you can) for newer electric radiators, they arequite efficient. I have an all electric house and have an air source heat pump.
Illustrious-Mind2338@reddit
I have wet central heating but powered by a 9.5kw electric boiler. It’s a nightmare. Easily costs us £10-£12 per a day if heating is on for 4-5 hours.
We bought a dehumidifier - a big and expensive one - to take the damp out of the air. Dry air is easier to heat. And also 1750w fans that also heat - like a dyson air blade. That does enough. And then we have electric blanket on the bed and we use blankets.
BatVisual5631@reddit
My god that’s an inefficient setup. My sympathies. Can you heat pump or solar the water at least?
Illustrious-Mind2338@reddit
Sadly not. We live in a Grade 2 listed building… no additions or protuberances on the building… add jn large inefficient windows… it’s a gorgeous place, just have to live with the crazy cost.
warriorscot@reddit
A dehumidifier can help a lot all year round.
The easiest thing is having enough heating and not letting it get too cold. Octopus agile is really good for getting things blasted with heat when prices are low or negative.
Otherwise it's just heating where you need heat when you need it. Heating the whole place when it's not cheap rates is expensive.
FairKnowledge7241@reddit
1 Bedroom flat, only me in it
I only use 1 space heater, turn it on for an hour at most in the bedroom. I don't spend alot of time in my kitchen aside from cooking/tumble drying my clothes so that does the heat for the front of my flat.
It gets quite cold but if I have it on like I did over winter I'd be spending £160 a month on electric rather then the 85-100 a month I spend currently.
CalmStomach3@reddit
My flat has some sort of central ventilation system
peterudd007@reddit
I have a storage heater in the hall which I don’t use, and a coal fire in the front room which I’ll light on my nights off work and in the morning after work if it’s below freezing. I use a dehumidifier to dry clothes and keep it from getting damp. I’ll wrap up and stick a hoody on to keep me warm but generally I don’t feel the cold a lot. Last year when it was cold it dropped to 3 degrees on my landing and the shower froze but I’ll be fucked if I’m turning that storage heater on fuck em
Zubi_Q@reddit
Me personally, I don't. I just have a nightgown on and it's only been cold when I'm walking around without any clothing on
CluckingBellend@reddit
We have an Air Source Heat Pump with underfloor heating downstairs, and low-output radiators upstairs. House was built 2016, has 9" insulated gap between walls, and triple glazing. ASHP works really well. Obviously, if you put one in a prefab, it would be shit, but is great in a house built to modern specifications.
FarIndication311@reddit
Air to Air heat pump (Air conditioning). The heat is instant and controllable, it's about 1/5 the cost to run compared to my storage heaters which my heat pump replaced.
Bit the bullet when the electricity prices went through the roof, got it installed in time for winter 2022.
Haven't regretted it for a second and could never go back to another heating / cooling system. I use it with Octopus Tracker, have been paying about 18 pence a unit.
65 Square metre flat, direct debit of £65 a month.
ListersParanoia@reddit
We make love!
Mundane_Leave8296@reddit (OP)
I live alone 😅
Salaried_Zebra@reddit
Username checks out :-P
LanguidVirago@reddit
I live in a hyper efficient new build with great insulation. No gas.
I have a pellet stove, but never turn it on as it makes the house way too hot, otherwise I do 99% of the heating with a 24 year old 3.5 KW kerosene stove I found at the skip, used 75 liters this year. Probably will use another 20 at this rate. It has been a Hella mild winter.
I also have have a split air heat pump in the living room. But the kerosene stove is such a good balance of heat and humidity it is my go to. so just use the heat pump in the summer as air con.
Heat pump boiler for hot water and a heat pump dryer for clothes. Also a heat exchanger for ventilation.
37yearoldonthehunt@reddit
I'm making a camper and just brought some infrared pictures that pump out a constant heat to keep the chill off. Oil heaters are pretty cheap to rum too.
FlatCapNorthumbrian@reddit
Could you get a Calor gas bottle heater like this one?
https://www.diy.com/departments/amos-portable-foldable-calor-gas-heater-with-wheels/5055402102093_BQ.prd?&&&&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADt-XHkq9FCWX1hrd3m9AJ5B9DQNN&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIueKjtY7qhAMVsWhBAh273Qa9EAQYAyABEgKiFfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
CosyBosyCrochet@reddit
I had to get little fan heaters because you could literally see your breath in my old flat lol, it didn’t do much but at least I didn’t die
150mgTrenbolone@reddit
I lived in a 200 year old mansion that was electric only, I just bent over for the electric supplier and moved out when the prices rose
Jakeii@reddit
I went for air-to-air heatpumps aka air conditioners for my 1 bed where I only need to heat the open plan living area/kitchen and bedroom (bathroom has electric underfloor heating). Very cost effective with a SCOP of 4.6 AKA produces 4.6kw of heat for every 1kw of energy, but expensive to install.
Before that I had electric panel heaters, Octopus Energy's Tracker tariff saved me a ton this winter with it being half the price of "normal" tariffs at ~14-16p per kw.
TraditionalCrab9157@reddit
Years ago..lived in elec-only flat.. so myself & the chick sourced a load of rather hefty but cheep candles.. made a huge difference to room temp..air never felt cold and after a few hours burntime it was noticebly warm.
Mr_Reaper__@reddit
Turned off all the storage heaters and take a fan heater into the room I'm in and run that for an hour or so to warm the room up. Fuck spending £6 a day on heating up my house overnight only for it to be cold by the time I get home from work in the evening. If I'm feeling extra frugal I'll forgo the fan heater and just put a blanket over me whilst I'm watching TV. When 2/3rd of my electricity bill was used on heating that I don't benefit from its not worth even trying with them, the fan heater costs far less to run and warms the room up pretty quickly.
sadcrone@reddit
I'm in a 3-bed bungalow, no gas in Orkney so we are all electric. We have a storage heater in most rooms, we have the one in the centrally located bedroom on for an hour before we wake up and an hour before we get home. We mainly heat the lounge, we turn on the storage heater there for a couple of hours if it is really cold. Other than that, we have a cheap electric fan fire that we find works really well to heat the room when we are using it, it's on pretty much all the time. The most we have paid is £100pcm, that's with Octopus and obviously includes cooking and the immersion heater. Our house is very well insulated so that's a factor, plus we have adapted to being a bit chilly when outside so any warmth is a comfort!
Kistelek@reddit
If it’s your own place then air to air ASHP gives you 3+ kW of heat per kW of electric. Think air con in reverse. Can usually do air con in the summer too.
Supernatantem@reddit
Possibly not all that helpful, but I choose not to heat my home and try to schedule my life around when I am most cold. I'll exercise, shower, cook dinner in the oven or just grab a hoodie and a water bottle and do my best. The cat likes to curl up on my knee in the evenings too. Lost my job due to redundancy last year so winter has been a struggle but I've made it through. My flat has vents in the windows so I don't have to worry about damp, but the vents being open do also let the cold in more.
RunningDino@reddit
This is exactly how I live, minus the cat.
Monty8282@reddit
Coal and fire
CaptainCompete@reddit
I had the same issue and installed a heat pump. Solved all issues. Moist and damp gone. Electricity bills down
TJRansley@reddit
So I applied for an Eco 4 grant last year through the government, because I own a flat that's all electric and up until then the only form of heating I had were these terrible little electric radiators that generated next to no head and cost a bomb to run.
No I've got some High heat retention storage heaters. The exact ones I have are called Elnur Gabarron. They're pretty sweet to be honest. I'm on an Economy 7 tariff so they do charge overnight and release heat throughout the day.
You can set them on a 24/7 schedule and set the temp you want at what times. Storage heaters get a bad wrap but the modern ones are incredible, they'll charge overnight and retain that heat incredibly well until you're home in the evening. Then at the end of the day if there's still heat left in them they'll just charge less the next day - costing less. So yeah In the harsh winter months I'll use about £150 electric over the month, but as it gets warmer and the storage heaters self adjust, that Bill will creep down and then I'll just flick them off at the end of March most likely as I won't really need any extra heat after that!
Consistent-Whole-686@reddit
Electric panel radiators with individual thermostats and timers. Flat is toasty and warm.
stevey83@reddit
Oil! We live in the sticks electric only, but oil central heating. Get a decent electric tariff like octopus tracker or agile, will make your electric bills less harsh!
elevatedupward@reddit
I use 2 storage heaters to heat my whole 3 bed flat. We have panel heaters in the bedrooms but never use them, just keep doors open so the heat reaches them from the living room and hall.
The absolute key is that we have excellent insulation and have other people living above, below and 2 sides which also helps. Rooms aren't massive and ceilings aren't high so we're not heating large spaces.
If you can minimise heat loss then storage heaters can't really be beaten, but if you're reaching the evening and the heat's already all exited via your windows then you're paying for very little, especially if you're out all day.
GlitchingGecko@reddit
I've got electric radiators. Cost about £1500 each initially, but they're cheap to run day to day, and a 1.5KW space heater for the living room if it's particularly cold.
Your electricity bill is obviously going to be high though, because it's doing the job that gas was.
We went electric only because the property didn't have radiators or a boiler when we bought it, and we were planning on an electric oven anyway. Seemed easier to just get the gas disconnected entirely and go with electric only.
Jabberminor@reddit
Cheap to run? How cheap are they? I had some and they were ridiculously expensive to run. It cost me more to heat my 1 bed flat with electric heating than it did for my 3 bed semi detached with gas heating.
BalTooDee@reddit
Heating with electric resistance is 1 kWh of power = 1 kWh of heat, which is technically 100% efficient. However 1kwh of power is between 25-30pence at the moment so you can work that out. Heat pumps which as air to wet (what the government and energy companies are pushing) and heat pumps air to air (air cons, they also do cooling in summer) are about 3-4x more efficient as they doesn’t generate heat but collect and “move” ambient heat indoors. I have air to air for heating and it’s been good
GlitchingGecko@reddit
All I can say is that my electric bill is cheaper than my electric + gas bill was in my previous property, by about a third. 🤷🏻♂️
Guess it depends on other things too though, like how insulated the property is, and how high you have them on.
leoberto1@reddit
log burner
BalTooDee@reddit
We are an electric only detached house and the first year we only had underfloor electric heating - very painful bill, then we went into plug in radiators in specifics rooms, our lounge needs about 4kwh of heat to warm up so two heaters is £1.20 an hour to hear. Last year we had aircon installed and it’s 1/3rd the cost to heat in heating mode, due to it being a heat pump. Yes air con is just a heat pump but instead of heating water, you just heat the air (or cool in summer). I saw you mentioned that you’re in an apartment so I’m not sure what your options could be, but you can’t get any more efficient for electric heating than aircon, and aircon can also dehumidify in cooling mode I believe, but I don’t use that. The energy I save using aircon for heating means I can run an independent dehumidifier 24/7 alongside the aircon and I’m still using less power than just a standard plug in electric radiator.
Again, not sure what your options are in an apartment.
Apocalypsedhow@reddit
Used to have cheap panel heaters that kept us cold and cost a fortune to run. We got an air source heat pump fitted and it’s the best decision we ever made. It keeps the house nice and warm and costs 2/3 less to run than our old heating and hot water.
Sithfish@reddit
Storage heater, but I replaced it with an electric blanket.
Lost_Ninja@reddit
We just don't run any central heating. Saves on bills and you can get warm by wearing extra layers or using heated blankets/pads/etc or hot water bottles.
We do have a log burner but we don't use it very often, generally when it's very cold or when we know we're going to be in the room it's in a lot, it heats that room really well after a couple of hours and the rest of the house a bit but slowly.
Leof1234@reddit
I'm very happy with my electric blanket. Most of the time I don't bother heating my home. I just keep myself warm. As far as I know there's a portable electric cape or something too.
Miroesque23@reddit
You might find a dehumidifier helps with how chilly it feels as well as with the damp. Damp cold is worse than dry cold. They also put out a very small amount of heat as well. They are not expensive to run.
One_Housing_3652@reddit
Sign of my age and upbringing but … two pairs of socks and a wooly jumper. My dad would only put on the heating when you could see your breath in front of you so I got very good at just wrapping up warm.
When it gets Baltic though I do have a wall heater that’s electric and try and keep the room warmed. In my old house - also electric - I had a wood burner in the lounge as well to help supplement it.
When it gets to bed time though (no heating in there at all) socks and hot water bottle!
Vyndrius@reddit
My 15m² house has a storage heater, but i prefer using a small oil filled radiator for small periods of time
SmegmaSandwich69420@reddit
I don't, but I prefer it cooler. Haven't even shut my windows in years, which helps keep stale cooking smells out too. If needed I'll put my big coat on, rarely is needed though.
poopie888@reddit
Built-in electric heaters but we don’t use them often because it’s warm enough inside due to proper building insulation
The_Manton@reddit
I’ve started just using an electric blanket. Not great for moving around but costs pennies to run and actually keeps me warm rather than the storage heaters which are basically useless.
I-Spot-Dalmatians@reddit
I live in a rented 2 bed house with me and the mrs. We’ve got storage heaters, I turn the one in the bedroom on overnight but aside from that we’re just always under blankets
Genesius10@reddit
The Dimplex quantum storage heaters are pretty good. Then oil filled radiators, heatstore intelirad etc are an upgrade from panel heaters. Nothing can beat better insulation. When we renovate flats we sometimes use insulated plasterboard on the inside.
fionakitty21@reddit
Storage heaters in each room but I never turn them on as can't afford to! Layers, throws and extra blankets on my bed! But I live alone so I manage just about.
pepperarmy@reddit
2 bed flat with panel heaters. I only tend to use the one in the living room as and when I need to. The rest of the flat stays cold.
JezzedItRightUp@reddit
I use an air source heat pump for 90% of my heating. I live in a detached house, so obviously much easier to install.
alexanderbeswick@reddit
I have gas central heating but I've found robbing one of my daughters fleecy oodies works very well lol
saladinzero@reddit
I use oil-filled heaters in the room I'm using. A heated throw is useful to have across my legs when I'm sitting at the computer or on the sofa. I'm also hoping to move out to somewhere more energy efficient, because I'm tired of being cold all the time!
flyingteapott@reddit
I'm in an all electric flat, I've got a 2kw heater on the wall that I only use if its really really cold, and a small halogen heater that I move, and mostly only use post shower. I also have a candle radiator, which while it obviously doesn't heat the whole flat it does heat the area on my table where I sit. Mostly I just wear more clothes or read in bed. I try very hard to keep my electric bill down.
Looking forward to warmer days tbf.
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