Correct me if I'm wrong but Greece's economy is dying and so is the work force. Every year 10,000s to 100,000s of young people with diplomas and work experience are leaving for other EU countries.
The economy is being held up by workers in their 40s and 50s and trying to support a HUGE number of retirees. In about 20-30 years the work force is going to be bones.
UK isn't much better. My bosses make 4x my salary and all have 2 holiday homes and when I asked for a small pay bump of £5k a year they looked at me like I asked to be CEO.
Mind you, for my position I'd be getting something like $150k a year in Canada or the U.S.
Chaos? You have not seen chaos if you haven't lived through the crisis era of Greece. We were the epicenter of the global financial collapse, we had Nazis in the parliament, we could withdraw 50€ per day maximum, we didn't know if we were to be kicked out of the eurozone at any day. Did I mention 40% unemployment? 🙂
Trump can't control the judges, Erdoğan can. As long as Erdoğan gives him what he wants he's not gonna see any resistance from US, it doesn't mean Trump is telling him everything he should do.
Not yet. The puppet needed police just to get inside the building and even when inside the building they had to turn the place into a war zone because people just wouldn’t let him through even with the police. People have not accepted this yet. This doesn’t change the fact that everyone will go home the moment there’s a football match but maybe, just maybe, this time could be different.
It's hard to say. AKP is losing a lot of votes and support across the country generally speaking. Mostly because of the actions of other party members tbh as opposed to Erdogan himself. Almost every other week someone from the party or their family member is busted doing something like buying a $3m villa with technically no income.
In my opinion, if I was in his position I would do a big purge of the party but doing so does also mean that he's admitting there was corruption in the first place. Which can also lose him more votes.
Erdoğan cannot win against the opposition party and its leader, so he is trying to bring back the puppet candidate he already defeated in 13 elections.
Because it’s feast of sacrifice. People are in holiday hometowns , Erdoğa chose the timing carefully. Also, after the last protests, many people were arrested. But people are still protesting today.
I remember last year in Athens around 1 million people protested in a single day. People took the bus from every corner of Greece to join the protest, on a random weekday as it was a national shut-down.
You guys need to make some massive protests and cause a shut-down as well, don't leave. It's sad that protesting culture in Turkey has been so weakened.
There was an election in 2023 within the party to determine the next party leader. Özgür özel got elected but couple of people pressed a charge against the said election claiming that voters bribed with iphones and ipads (im not joking its in their original testimony). And a few days ago the case has been concluded and the judge found the plaintiffs to be in the right. Özgür Özel's party leader title taken away from him and now partys leader automatically the one prior to him which is Kılıçdaroğlu (the one that ran in the presidential election against erdoğan despite everyone that warned him that it was obvious he was gonna lose if he runs but he did it anyway because most likely he works for/with erdoğan). Early in the morning Özel resisted to just leave the party building, gave a few speech and left. So basically erdoğan put his own men in the head of the main opposition party.
Previous leader of CHP Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu was ousted as party leader after he lost 2023 elections he was ousted by Özgür Özel new leader of CHP and İmamoğlu mayor of İstanbul and few months later new party leader won the local election decisively and CHP became 1st party after 40 years remind you 2023 and 2024 election were 10 months apart so after party election new leaders had few months to prepare everything and after this current government party's voting pools continue to deteriorate due to corruption, lack of keeping promises they gave for general elections and economic problems, etc additionally majority of CHP mayors were giving successful or acceptable results in their governing and as a result they lost much more votes after that they lock Mayor of İstanbul after he challenged Erdoğan for Presidency they locked him in charges of corruption and founding criminal organization and after one year of locking various CHP elected mayors from different provinces former mayor Hatay made a lawsuit against current CHP leadership claiming party leader elections were fraudulent and even though constitutionally High election Council's decision are absolute and no one or no organization can changed it they let a regional judge be able to annul the election and reinstate former leader Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu as the leader of CHP and High Election Council accepted this and first thing Kılıçdaroğlu did was fire lawyers who were against this lawsuit and trying to stop annulment and the CHP's representative in the High Election Council board as he was against this too so while none of them makes zero sense legally they don't care and police force themselves into CHP headquarters and removed rightful CHP leader additionally they used tear gas on those who protested and inside the building
Opposition party had an election in 2023, incumbent leader lost and was replaced. Now the court decided there was some irregularities with that election and cancelled it, thus bringing the ex-leader into office again.
The new CHP leadership is coming so strong that there is no way Erdogan can beat them in elections.
So Erdogan staged a coup and threw İ̇mamoğlu and 10+ other major CHP mayors into jail.
This is the next stage in the coup, wherein the old CHP leadership is being brought in with the hope that the opposition will not be organize well enough to deliver a strong enough alternative who will beat Erdogan in the elections.
Imamoglu and many of the mayors jailed are corrupt as f*** but his level of corruption is not higher than what Turkey typically is used to. So, yes, erdogan's motivation is to eliminate any strong opposition and cut their possible financial life-lines through municipalities, rather than fighting the corruption.
The head of the main opposition party back then (Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu) used to be Erdo's puppet, then in 2023 he got elected out of the chair after losing a total of 13 elections. Right afterwards, Erdo lost almost all big cities to the new CHP in municipality elections, İmamoğlu started leading in the general election polls, and bam all of a sudden İmamoğlu is jailed for laughably made up reasons.
The childish efforts of Erdoğan to run a smear campaign on the elections and how unjust the entire thing is didn't sit well even with some of his supporters so he started losing blood. And now he's attempting a civil coup to get rid of CHP all together by reinstating KK as the head of the party once more.
Erdoğan is obviously going to lose in the next elections -- there's no escaping it. So, he made a call to his daddy Trump, got all the directives from him and one night all of a sudden he decided to issue a court order to appoint the former leader of the main opposition party back to his place. Someone nobody likes and is widely regarded as the lapdog of the ruling party and a blatant agent. Thus, this incident again led to an uprising and people flooded into the streets to protect the party headquarters and whatnot. Party supporters are setting up barricades and trying to keep the apointee away for the time being, but the whole building is surrounded by pigs and their paid jihadist militas. That's it for now. We'll see what's coming out of this.
This is what we call karma 🤣 The party that oppressed the people of Turkiye, did 't even do jack 💩 for Turkiye's improvement finally is getting what it deserves and it's not even anybody's fault , they did it to themselves🤣🤣🤣
Ass-Viper@reddit
"Whats going on in Turkey?" We don't know either komşu💔
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Girl we both a mess 🤧
Sea_Gap_6569@reddit
really? what is wrong there?
ThatOneCloneTrooper@reddit
Correct me if I'm wrong but Greece's economy is dying and so is the work force. Every year 10,000s to 100,000s of young people with diplomas and work experience are leaving for other EU countries.
The economy is being held up by workers in their 40s and 50s and trying to support a HUGE number of retirees. In about 20-30 years the work force is going to be bones.
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
The same crisis that decimates all of Europe, not even Germany is normal anymore.
ThatOneCloneTrooper@reddit
UK isn't much better. My bosses make 4x my salary and all have 2 holiday homes and when I asked for a small pay bump of £5k a year they looked at me like I asked to be CEO.
Mind you, for my position I'd be getting something like $150k a year in Canada or the U.S.
VoidYordle@reddit
тhe sheer volume of near-sighted selfishness is baffling.
Sea_Gap_6569@reddit
I mean not the level of chaos in turkey. we’re cooked
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Chaos? You have not seen chaos if you haven't lived through the crisis era of Greece. We were the epicenter of the global financial collapse, we had Nazis in the parliament, we could withdraw 50€ per day maximum, we didn't know if we were to be kicked out of the eurozone at any day. Did I mention 40% unemployment? 🙂
Sea_Gap_6569@reddit
I mean at the moment you look ok’ish compared to what’s happening here rn
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Yes
Minnecraft@reddit
correct answer
marul_@reddit
Erdoğan is trying to reinstate the puppet who lost 13 elections as the leader of the opposition because he's getting desperate, that's all.
babyliss1903@reddit
That
serkans_@reddit
I am not sure erdogan is doing that. Trump and erdo had a phone talk 1 day before and trump told very nice words.
They (tom barrack is a key here) have been re-designing the all territory. Last steps are approaching.
marul_@reddit
Trump can't control the judges, Erdoğan can. As long as Erdoğan gives him what he wants he's not gonna see any resistance from US, it doesn't mean Trump is telling him everything he should do.
serkans_@reddit
It is literally other way around. Erdo is the most useful tool and he has been from the very beginning.
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Will he succeed?
LOLz4tw@reddit
They will go as they have come
Feeling_Procedure_79@reddit
He actually did
inki471@reddit
Not yet. The puppet needed police just to get inside the building and even when inside the building they had to turn the place into a war zone because people just wouldn’t let him through even with the police. People have not accepted this yet. This doesn’t change the fact that everyone will go home the moment there’s a football match but maybe, just maybe, this time could be different.
ThatOneCloneTrooper@reddit
It's hard to say. AKP is losing a lot of votes and support across the country generally speaking. Mostly because of the actions of other party members tbh as opposed to Erdogan himself. Almost every other week someone from the party or their family member is busted doing something like buying a $3m villa with technically no income.
In my opinion, if I was in his position I would do a big purge of the party but doing so does also mean that he's admitting there was corruption in the first place. Which can also lose him more votes.
Deep-Instance9896@reddit
I hope not
nimisiyms@reddit
Erdoğan cannot win against the opposition party and its leader, so he is trying to bring back the puppet candidate he already defeated in 13 elections.
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Why is Erdoğan becoming so unpopular, I thought he has a huge base in Turkey.
nimisiyms@reddit
Check economic crisis in Turkiye
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Guys Greece had the worst crisis in the developed world in modern history, we protested the shit out of it. Why don't you guys protests??
marul_@reddit
Turkey is not a EU member and there's real police brutality in Turkey, best case scenario you're put to jail for bullshit reasons.
nimisiyms@reddit
Because it’s feast of sacrifice. People are in holiday hometowns , Erdoğa chose the timing carefully. Also, after the last protests, many people were arrested. But people are still protesting today.
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
I remember last year in Athens around 1 million people protested in a single day. People took the bus from every corner of Greece to join the protest, on a random weekday as it was a national shut-down.
You guys need to make some massive protests and cause a shut-down as well, don't leave. It's sad that protesting culture in Turkey has been so weakened.
nimisiyms@reddit
Yea but I guess u guys don’t end up in prison for protesting despite us.
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
You can't arrest the entire country.
SepuEmir@reddit
Because our people are cowards.
Commercial_Law_1689@reddit
We try.
Even-Language-7701@reddit
We are f*cked up
evoscheibe@reddit
There was an election in 2023 within the party to determine the next party leader. Özgür özel got elected but couple of people pressed a charge against the said election claiming that voters bribed with iphones and ipads (im not joking its in their original testimony). And a few days ago the case has been concluded and the judge found the plaintiffs to be in the right. Özgür Özel's party leader title taken away from him and now partys leader automatically the one prior to him which is Kılıçdaroğlu (the one that ran in the presidential election against erdoğan despite everyone that warned him that it was obvious he was gonna lose if he runs but he did it anyway because most likely he works for/with erdoğan). Early in the morning Özel resisted to just leave the party building, gave a few speech and left. So basically erdoğan put his own men in the head of the main opposition party.
Martha_Fockers@reddit
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
This is a meme and we live in real version
PainOk1877@reddit
we wuz footballers n shiieet.
general_kruxx@reddit
Dictatorship?
UnhappyBreadfruit607@reddit
Previous leader of CHP Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu was ousted as party leader after he lost 2023 elections he was ousted by Özgür Özel new leader of CHP and İmamoğlu mayor of İstanbul and few months later new party leader won the local election decisively and CHP became 1st party after 40 years remind you 2023 and 2024 election were 10 months apart so after party election new leaders had few months to prepare everything and after this current government party's voting pools continue to deteriorate due to corruption, lack of keeping promises they gave for general elections and economic problems, etc additionally majority of CHP mayors were giving successful or acceptable results in their governing and as a result they lost much more votes after that they lock Mayor of İstanbul after he challenged Erdoğan for Presidency they locked him in charges of corruption and founding criminal organization and after one year of locking various CHP elected mayors from different provinces former mayor Hatay made a lawsuit against current CHP leadership claiming party leader elections were fraudulent and even though constitutionally High election Council's decision are absolute and no one or no organization can changed it they let a regional judge be able to annul the election and reinstate former leader Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu as the leader of CHP and High Election Council accepted this and first thing Kılıçdaroğlu did was fire lawyers who were against this lawsuit and trying to stop annulment and the CHP's representative in the High Election Council board as he was against this too so while none of them makes zero sense legally they don't care and police force themselves into CHP headquarters and removed rightful CHP leader additionally they used tear gas on those who protested and inside the building
situmaimesdemain@reddit
Opposition party had an election in 2023, incumbent leader lost and was replaced. Now the court decided there was some irregularities with that election and cancelled it, thus bringing the ex-leader into office again.
It is of course bullshit and being resisted.
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
You mean that old guy that lost to Erdoğan in last elections? Isn't Imamoğlu a better candidate, what keeps him from doing so?
zulufdokulmusyuze@reddit
That’s precisely the issue.
The new CHP leadership is coming so strong that there is no way Erdogan can beat them in elections.
So Erdogan staged a coup and threw İ̇mamoğlu and 10+ other major CHP mayors into jail.
This is the next stage in the coup, wherein the old CHP leadership is being brought in with the hope that the opposition will not be organize well enough to deliver a strong enough alternative who will beat Erdogan in the elections.
SpiritedAddition8206@reddit
Jail lol
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Huh? Why?
sloxetheburduri@reddit
erdoğan had to put him in jail for absolute bullshit reasons cause it was obvious he was gonna lose to imamoglu.
Feeling_Procedure_79@reddit
Imamoglu and many of the mayors jailed are corrupt as f*** but his level of corruption is not higher than what Turkey typically is used to. So, yes, erdogan's motivation is to eliminate any strong opposition and cut their possible financial life-lines through municipalities, rather than fighting the corruption.
Rosu_Aprins@reddit
Because there was a serious risk for Erdoggy of losing to him.
So he's now in jail and the rest of the opposition is experiencing crackdowns in the hopes of killing any momentum for them
uldurulenemoji_@reddit
Sorry bud reddit gives ip..
Dangerous_Pie37@reddit
Jail lol
Deep-Instance9896@reddit
Old guy
Final-Nebula-7049@reddit
AKP waited for holiday weekend to start a coup by installing a useful idiot to CHP who promised to help them win again so Erdoğan can avoid jail.
islakbanyoterligi31@reddit
iddivision@reddit
Another coup attempt by Erdoğan the Traitor, as usual.
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Yes but what just happened??
Voldypants_420@reddit
The head of the main opposition party back then (Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu) used to be Erdo's puppet, then in 2023 he got elected out of the chair after losing a total of 13 elections. Right afterwards, Erdo lost almost all big cities to the new CHP in municipality elections, İmamoğlu started leading in the general election polls, and bam all of a sudden İmamoğlu is jailed for laughably made up reasons.
The childish efforts of Erdoğan to run a smear campaign on the elections and how unjust the entire thing is didn't sit well even with some of his supporters so he started losing blood. And now he's attempting a civil coup to get rid of CHP all together by reinstating KK as the head of the party once more.
iddivision@reddit
Erdoğan is obviously going to lose in the next elections -- there's no escaping it. So, he made a call to his daddy Trump, got all the directives from him and one night all of a sudden he decided to issue a court order to appoint the former leader of the main opposition party back to his place. Someone nobody likes and is widely regarded as the lapdog of the ruling party and a blatant agent. Thus, this incident again led to an uprising and people flooded into the streets to protect the party headquarters and whatnot. Party supporters are setting up barricades and trying to keep the apointee away for the time being, but the whole building is surrounded by pigs and their paid jihadist militas. That's it for now. We'll see what's coming out of this.
PeaceTo0l@reddit
With traitor KK
Educational-Trip4787@reddit
Business as usual - nothing to see here.
euxenios-svartahaf@reddit
Turkey is marching towards a ''Competitive Totalitarian'' system.
Useful_Trust@reddit
Is there a ranking board where they compete or is it a general loose score system, where they tally up the scores at the end of the year?
WickedFrags@reddit
Erdogan doing Erdogan things, turkish people being little slaves and doing nothing to free themselves... you know, nothing new.
Jack55555@reddit
Story as old as time. A lot of people try to resist, but their numbers are too low.
vanclad@reddit
Lotofagos_@reddit
-> turkish court annuls the decision of chp congress in 2023 that made ozel leader (imamoglu had endorsed him)
-> kilicdaroglu (aka the guy who lost to erdogan) reinstated as leader of chp by the court so he can lose to erdogan again lol
-> ozel + supporters resist the decision by refusing to vacate chp headquarters in ankara
-> riot police storms chp headquarters to remove them from the building
you're welcome
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Oh..
ImPhynx@reddit
Turkey is healing
Altair01010@reddit
i stopped keeping track a while ago
freddo_expresso@reddit (OP)
Makes sense 🥲
Acryptobat@reddit
This is what we call karma 🤣 The party that oppressed the people of Turkiye, did 't even do jack 💩 for Turkiye's improvement finally is getting what it deserves and it's not even anybody's fault , they did it to themselves🤣🤣🤣
FuckTheCake@reddit
Some third world bullshit
Remarkable-Pop-7570@reddit
Erdogan appointed his candidate as opposition leader to secure victory in the upcoming elections.