Cessna strikes paraglider (no injuries)

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winkelschleifer@reddit

I speak German … at the very end she says to herself “Sie lebt noch, dass ist die Hauptsache“ („she’s still alive, that’s the main thing”). Never have truer words been spoken.

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strat-fan89@reddit

No, she's saying "I leb no", which translates to "I am still alive".

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winkelschleifer@reddit

I understood „sie lebt no‘“ … as if she were talking in the third person to herself. Both would work, you could be right of course.

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AshleyAshes1984@reddit

It's wild that the camera is so clear and shape that it even captures the tail number of the plane. OE-KAF.

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mnztr1@reddit

I rewound that several times trying to see the plane coming. Its IMPOSSIBLE omg!!! Like it just materializes before your eyes.

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lroger25@reddit

It is hard to see but not impossible. Once I saw the video the second time I saw the airplane towards the beginning. But it's easy to see how it was missed.

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lroger25@reddit

And here you can see thats not a part of the terrain and was indeed the plane. Glad everyone is alright though!

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I remember a head on air collision in the 50s or 60s. The investigators mentions that these planes were on a see-and-avoid rule, but two large planes heading toward each other in a straight line would only appear as an unmoving dime shaped object in the window for 90% of the time before rapidly getting large in the last few moments. You can probably still see it if you were massively vigilant, but if you were doing everything else in the plane like talking about landing, observing your instruments, preparing for the next phase of the flight, the prospect of seeing it diminishes.

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DeepSeaDynamo@reddit

I mean it's probably going at least 120 mph, quite possibly more, I didn't catch exactly what kind of plane it was but there aren't many the cruise slowly.

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falcopilot@reddit

Quick google suggests 145 TAS, probably knots, so I'd say closer to a buck'sixty MPH.

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Normal_Weather247@reddit

According to my sources, it's F182Q Skylane, a Cessna of French origin

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Flowa-Powa@reddit

it's a Reims-Cessna F182Q Skylane

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FuckRedidtDevCunts@reddit

Reims-Cessna F182Q Skylane

A Cessna 182 built by French company Reims.

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trumpRapeskids45@reddit

? Because the body blocks it. Lol. As soon as she moves, you can see it

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Armamore@reddit

The plane is masked against the mountains in the background and behind the guys body for all but the last couple seconds before it hits.

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par-a-dox-i-cal@reddit

Actually, it is a wing number.

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Oxcell404@reddit

And it's composed of only letters

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Cobalt_Emu2173@reddit

And not printed on the wing.

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Oxcell404@reddit

Huh?

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Cobalt_Emu2173@reddit

Hmm fair, TIL Australia does actually put the numbers on the wing.

Still not made of numbers though.

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Phil-X-603@reddit

OE-? That's an Austrian reg IIRC

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nj_legion_ice_tea@reddit

Yup, a sightseeing company in Zell am See

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gambooka_seferis@reddit

Zell am No See

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Crazy__Donkey@reddit

I honestly thought you were joking

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JumboTrijet@reddit

Only because this registration was taken

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LaconicSuffering@reddit

Have you see the plane that is my dating life?

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pompousandfaggy@reddit

NE1469?

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Feschbesch@reddit

I've seen that guy 🤣

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

How about another Finnish plane: https://www.flyfinland.fi/view/24870

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Misttertee_27@reddit

I didn’t read your comment and went back to the video to look for that tail number 😂

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JumboTrijet@reddit

😂

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Physical-Cut-2334@reddit

Very fitting to this post

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Kichigai@reddit

Actually it's not that wild. Lots of bright sunlight in a camera means the shutter speed will be through the roof to prevent overexposure. That means a very crisp image with very little motion blur.

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Key-Place-273@reddit

FAA is gonna have a day with that pilot

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Chairboy@reddit

It has been [0] days since the above commenter forgot other countries exist

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AshleyAshes1984@reddit

Not with the number starting in OE.

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dawnhewett1@reddit

Don’t think this is in the us

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ValhallaAir@reddit

And that’s why you carry 2 parachutes

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Moral-Relativity@reddit

Cessna pilot won’t even carry one.

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kevman_2008@reddit

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Moral-Relativity@reddit

Is this the YouTuber that faked an emergency to justify bailing?

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Something as a sailor I cannot wrap my head around. Ships tend to sink extremely rarely, but no one in business would go to ship without lifeboats or belts.

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OneLorgeHorseyDog@reddit

There’s basically zero chance of successfully parachuting from a jet airliner in an emergency - even less so for clueless laypeople. Imagine a couple hundred panicked passengers trying to jump from a troubled plane. How many would try to take their carry-on bags, do you think? 😂

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xBris18@reddit

There are less than 1000 fatalities world wide from plane related incidents a year. Commercial fishing and merchant shipping alone have about 24k a year. Ships tend to sink rarely, yes, but planes crash even more rarelyly (I know that's not a word).

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penywisexx@reddit

I would guess that 95% of those crashes causing fatalities happen during takeoff or landing, when a parachute would be useless.

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ougryphon@reddit

Basically, yes. There's also the odd case of hypoxia or mid-air breakup, but those aren't likely to be helped by a parachute, either.

Fun fact: hypoxic events happen several times a year, but they only make the news when the plane flies into a restricted area or when someone on board is famous. They aren't nearly as common as crashes on takeoff/landing, but neither are they rare.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Commercial fishing is very dangerous activity and does not represent whole picture too well.

That would be comparable of heli and transport plane crews working on without leashes to attach them to craft.

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Dave_A480@reddit

Aircraft that aren't specially designed to be parachuted from can't be.....

Eg, I've got a 1962 Piper Comanche....

In any situation where I'm going to want to jump, the door won't open (due to slipstream) and I'd probably get killed by the stabilator even if I managed to escape.....

Cirrus has it more or less right with the whole plane parachute.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Yeah, that is what I wonder. How industry allowed it to develop into what it is now. Probably was ok in 1950's when even cars did not have seatbelts.

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Dave_A480@reddit

Product liability lawyers obliterated the small prop plane industry in the 1980s. Most of the manufacturers either went out of business or switched to only making larger business aircraft....

The US government passed a limited immunity law in 1995, but it was still too expensive to make mass producing small airplanes viable at an affordable price (everyone who re entered the market aimed their products at the super premium end of the market because it's the only way to be profitable while still saving for the inevitable frivolous lawsuits).....

So as a result almost all of the small prop planes flying are 1986 or older models.

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squawkingdirty@reddit

I think I’d rather not carry a chute and have an engine fail then glide the plane to a field over a sinking ship in the middle of the pacific with no lifeboat

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Fair enough, but I would like to have chute too.

I have lifejacket when I row around local pond.

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squawkingdirty@reddit

Just no feasible in a typical Cessna/Piper. It’s cramped as is and now you’re just making it more cramped. Weight is also a factor too.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Yeah, it is just wild that industry allowed it originally.

Well, at least you fly Yak-52 with parachute under your butt.

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LaunchTransient@reddit

90% of the time with flying, you are better off in the vehicle if it loses power than outside of it.

If the engine dies, you don't drop out of the sky like a stone, you become a glider, which is a lot more controllable than a parachute.

The only reason fighter pilots have ejector seats is because they typical pull extreme maneuvers or have missiles bearing down on them.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Its the same with boats. Most of the time you solve the problem in vessel itsel and only use backup when boat has sunk. Still, I like layered defence.

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lroger25@reddit

I do understand what your saying, however I would say that if the aircraft is controllable enough to exit to use a parachute it's likely controllable enough to glide to the best place possible to force a landing. The time the parachute would be the best option would be if you lost all control of the aircraft (likely massive structural damage loss of like a wing or something major) at which point I would say that would be like being inside a car rolling over and trying to take your seatbelt off and open the door to get out of the car while it's still rolling over. Unless you have an election seat probably not going to be able to use that parachute. If you'd like a maritime example, I would say it's like life boats on a submarine, they have them (inflatable ones) but they can only use them in a few circumstances, and likely not really when they need them most. LOL ironically come to think of it airplanes flying over the ocean are required to carry life rafts too... Apparently everyone is afraid of water!

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Terrh@reddit

The #1 cause of death in GA accidents is blunt force head trauma... yet nobody wears a helmet.

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guynamedjames@reddit

It's pretty easy to land a cessna on a road or in a field, it happens all the time (usually planned). The situations that kill a small aircraft pilot usually occur with maybe a dozen seconds until they crash, the only way out of that is an ejection seat which would be too heavy to fly.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Where I am from it is typically forest or lakes so maybe my point of view is bit weird.

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guynamedjames@reddit

Smart pilots should try and avoid spending too much time over areas like that with no emergency landing options. A water landing isn't a death sentence by any means but you're gonna have a bad day. A landing in a field is often no worse than the hassle of fixing whatever broke in the field.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Well, then it would mean avoiding whole area 500km from me to each direction.

Yeah, water is bit nasty. Possibility of flipping it is scary.

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guynamedjames@reddit

No it doesn't, roads are a perfectly good option. And if you fly at altitude you can VERY easily plan on a 5:1 glide ratio, 7:1 if you have some luck and skill. Flying at even just 1500m above the surface means you only need to be within 8km of a section of road or clearing that's straight-ish for maybe a third of a km to be safe. And anything outside that is your risky areas.

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mkosmo@reddit

Because you wouldn't be able to use one. The air keeps the door closed pretty hard.

And unlike sinking ships, most airplane failures just mean a glide. Structural failure is such a rare occurrence it's not designed for.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Yep, plane designs are very outdated and industry kind of accepted it. Car safety has improved a lot, but planes are still like from 1950's excluding those that have canopy for whole plane.

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I_will_never_reply@reddit

LIfebelts as a cost proportionate to the activity are basically free, aviation parachutes for aeroplanes are quite expensive. Dying is quite inconvenient though. The vast majority of accidents in aircraft happen at an altitude that leaves no time to use one that's not a fuselage mounted ballistic deployed one

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

They are much cheaper. But so are boats. At least I would be happy to throw 5k on chute. It is rather comparable to liferaft in sailboat.

Yeah, I understand that too, you wont hit the silk if your engine dies on take off.

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uiucengineer@reddit

You going to strap it on every time you fly, too?

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

I mean why not? I put my lifejacket on every time I sail.

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newtoallofthis2@reddit

I first flew on an airliner in the 80s when I was about 5. Apparently the first thing I asked on sitting down was where the parachutes were. When may parents told me there weren't any I was incredulous. Lolz.

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gefahr@reddit

I feel like parachutes featured in a lot of 80s cartoons. GI Joe etc.

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OldPersonName@reddit

The types of situations where a parachute could actually help you in a plane like a little Cessna are vanishingly rare. You are required to wear them when you're doing aerobatics since then you are more likely to get yourself into that situation.

One example you could imagine is a stall and spin, but there's two kinds of those: ones where you're high enough to recover and can do so easily (and if you don't have the presence of mind to recover you're not going to have the presence of mind to unbuckle and open the door and jump, and then you run the extreme risk of hitting the tail or wing. The safest thing is to just recover, which isn't hard once you learn). Or it happens when you're too low to recover, and then you're too low to use a parachute anyways. And you should wear one in a plane that isn't aerodynamically capable of recovering from a spin (or it has to be equipped with one of those plane parachutes.)

If the engine goes out, you just glide to a landing. If there's nowhere safe to glide to... well then technically you're breaking a rule! Most of the really bad stuff that can happens (engine failure on takeoff) happens too low to do anything about, parachute or no.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

Midair collisions and serious flight control damages including collisions to large birds are ones I can think of.

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jwoodruff@reddit

This is a really interesting episode on lifeboats, and why, before the titanic, most ships didn’t have lifeboats at all.

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Hipparch@reddit

I totally get you, but with aviation there’s the weight, volume, cost and time factor (in the event of an accident). Each critical.

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SupermouseDeadmouse@reddit

Parachuting from a Cessna isn’t going to be easy, especially for untrained passengers. However a BRS parachute for the whole plane is a good idea and I’m surprised they are not used more frequently.

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therealhlmencken@reddit

My kayak doesn’t have a lifeboat.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

But if you dont wear lifebelt you should.

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SpawnShootDie@reddit

He should have cut away the main wing before deploying his reserve. Could easily have tangled them both. But I guess that’s easy to say from your sofa.

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MrPetter@reddit

There is no cut away mechanism on a paraglider. We don’t run a 3-ring system like we do skydiving (outside of the very rare ultra custom set up for special flights).

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SpawnShootDie@reddit

Damn. So deploying reserve is almost a coin toss? Scary.

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milgi617@reddit

That’s what I thought, no cut away, through your reserve up and then watch it twist around the remains of the glider. Scary!

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uiucengineer@reddit

It’s a round

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MrPetter@reddit

Usually we’re close enough to the ground that cutting away isn’t an option, anyways. I’d rather have 2 poorly inflated, tangled canopies overhead than nothing. I won’t chop my skydiving canopy sub 2k unless there is truly nothing overhead or the risk is, bare-minimum, far better than the alternative.

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SpawnShootDie@reddit

Thanks for the explanation. I’ve been paragliding 5 or 6 times, but only as baggage. Never realized the difference between the rigs.

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DashingDino@reddit

No expert but I think there's different kinds of backup parachutes, in skydiving they often have one that is controllable with two lines, like a smaller version of their normal parachute, but that only works if the other chute/lines aren't in the way. In this video it's a simpler one-line chute that is very reliable but you have no control over where you land

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Ganjelf-The-Baked@reddit

I was thinking the same thing. All the way down I was looking at the lines and hoping they didn’t get tangled. That would have been really bad.

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salzsalzsalzsalz@reddit

she, its a woman.

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possibly_oblivious@reddit

What if a second plane comes along tho

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turdferguson3891@reddit

That's when you pull out the reserve jet pack

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Phil-X-603@reddit

I genuinely sighed in relief when she deployed the backup parachute.

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Certain-Football-637@reddit

Me too. And she handled it like a pro, not waiting another second before she cut away her damaged main and deployed the reserve.

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AngryWizard@reddit

She didn't cut away her main parachute watch again.

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Rainebowraine123@reddit

She didnt cut away the main though? It was still attached all the way to the ground.

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ReallyBigRocks@reddit

I was honestly worried about that, couldn't it get tangled up with the reserve chute and cause it to collapse?

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WiredSky@reddit

A lot of people are really weird about inserting things that didn't happen, it's getting more common, like people can't pay attention long enough and/or have to say something so badly that they just make shit up.

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uiucengineer@reddit

It’s a glider

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StanleyGuevara@reddit

Well, the primary canopy kinda WAS cut away, it's just not HER doing the cutting... /j

Yeah, but she didn't though. Always amazed how confidently people can talk BS when you literally can see glider (or what remains of it) still attached all the way to the ground.

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Beautiful_Banana_454@reddit

Thats what i saw. Her backup tangled in the main, and she got her 3rd resserve (the white one)open in the clear with both the others still attached.

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MittonMan@reddit

Only one parachute ;) The "main" is a paragliding wing. Not a parachute. The white one she throws(in paragliding you throw a reserve) after the crash is the backup parachute.

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zenzvik@reddit

not the case here, but many paraglider pilots carry two reserves, especially if they do aerobatics

in this video the first reserve tangles in the wing, the second saves his life

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zackks@reddit

And leave a note

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ManuC153@reddit

I only see one, the squared one

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Hipparch@reddit

Crazy that you got mass downvoted and you’re right 😂.

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_thebronze@reddit

All they had to do was explain themselves, but yes also 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ come on folks

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Nationxx@reddit

Shut up

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ManuC153@reddit

why?

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Phil-X-603@reddit

Rewatch the first 3 seconds of the vid.

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_thebronze@reddit

There is only one parachute, the thing she’s flying with at first is called a canopy or paraglider wing. This subreddit is toxic even when they’re wrong.

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Phil-X-603@reddit

TIL! Thanks

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TapNo1773@reddit

And 2 sets of underwear

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P0Rt1ng4Duty@reddit

And sometimes a beer to drink once you've safely landed. I don't think their reserve is a glider; it looks like a standard reserve canopy. Which, if I'm correct, means the glider pilot is going to land someplace they didn't originally plan to.

That ''waiting for someone to come get me after landing off'' beer is pretty tasty, I tell you what!

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pkenny72@reddit

And an extra pair of underwear.

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Mrstucco@reddit

And that’s why you always leave a note.

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cocoagiant@reddit

I'm really glad her reserve chute didn't get tangled up in the remains of the original.

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NetNo5570@reddit

No cellphones in sight just two people living in the moment sharing uncontrolled airspace without any communication.

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Air320@reddit

Still, paragliders and balloons have right of way since they're unpowered. VFR airspace, the Cessna should've avoided the bright coloured parachute.

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cryptolyme@reddit

Were they flying into the sun?

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TemperatureFinal5135@reddit

I'm glad this was after all the comments saying everyone is ok because it made me feel less bad about how hard i laughed at this

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T33-L@reddit

The kind of thing that makes you really feel alive!

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mason_mormon@reddit

Tbh if youre this high you should have ADS-B. Ultralight or whatever you still gonna get smoked by a plane.

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TheMarineLayer@reddit

Yea but this is still 100% the pilot of the Cessnas fault.

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OnceReturned@reddit

I'm not a pilot. What mistake(s) did they make? To a lay person it seems like they just didn't see the paraglider until it was too late and it's not obvious what they could've/should've done differently.

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Dry_Statistician_688@reddit

The least maneuverable has the right of way. Hence hot air balloon has priority. Paraglider had the priority. If you fly through a known paragliding area, you better be head up. Would be interesting to see the report on this. Was this in the US?

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annodomini@reddit

This was in Austria.

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zebra1923@reddit

Well, seeing the paraglider with the very colourful-canopy would be a start

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exbex@reddit

Tell me you're not a pilot without telling me you're not a pilot. It could be a matter of a split second or two from seeing something as small as a paraglider and reacting.

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TheMarineLayer@reddit

A paragliding parachute is visible from miles away. You have to be not looking ahead to hit one. This is coming from someone who has dodged party balloons while flying 130kts.

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HawkorDove@reddit

When flying directly toward an object it’s going to be stationary in your windscreen and much harder to recognize. A pilot is scanning a very large area and seeing a tiny object that’s stationary is very difficult to see. The challenge is even greater at a closure rate is 240 kph,

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AboveAverage1988@reddit

As correct as you are, the airplane pilot would still be held liable in this situation. It's simply a legal requirement. Imagine hitting someone in black clothes on a crosswalk a rainy night and blaming the pedestrian and and your worn out wiper blades. You may be right, but it's still your fault legally.

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TheMarineLayer@reddit

Object recognition, scanning your environment, and estimating closure rate is see and avoid 101.

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ic33@reddit

Yah, I dodged a hawk at 100 knots-- big yank and rudder input.

The truth is somewhere inbetween these extremes. It has a small cross-section when you're flying at it, and with low relative motion can take a really deliberate scan to see.

Not all of us ever deliberately scan with the required care to see things like this. None of us ever scan well enough all the time to spot things like this.

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therealhlmencken@reddit

It’s visible from above or below from miles away, coming straight on the visible surface is much tinier

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AdoringCHIN@reddit

Ya I'm not a pilot. But I know for a fact you can spot the parachutes of skydivers from miles away. This paraglider should've been visible well before the plane was anywhere near her.

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Low-Firefighter6920@reddit

You have no idea how unbelievably difficult it can be to spot something in a 3D environment while you’re both moving and one of you is doing almost 100 knots

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Character_Pudding_94@reddit

Also not a pilot, but from what I remember from skydiving training, the more maneuverable aircraft is always responsible for yielding to the less maneuverable aircraft. So the plane must yield to the paraglider, and the paraglider would have to yield to a hot air balloon.

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froggertwenty@reddit

This also applies to ships FYI

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SinisterCheese@reddit

Well yes and no. The bigger smaller vessel yields to bigger vessel. Some big vessels are totally able to manuver more than a smaller one. However the other vessel can not know which is more able, however they can know who is bigger. Like sure if you compared a dingy to a cargo ship, it is obvious. But if you compare a medium sized sailing vessel to slightly bigger motorship, the motorship can have 2 back engines and front engine and do spins all day, while the sail boat might just have a small motor enough to drive it in and out of marina. But... when you go "Bigger has right of way", everything sorts itself out.

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froggertwenty@reddit

A motorized vessel must yield to a ship under sail (with certain exceptions if course). But yes, even a freighter must yield to a small sailboat under sail (with certain exceptions).

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AboveAverage1988@reddit

This is how I remember it too.

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mckenzie_keith@reddit

As they were flying along, they should have been directing their attention to any other airborne craft by looking through the windows. Upon seeing the canopy of a paraglider or just regular glider, they should have made any course changes necessary to avoid collision.

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nickjohnson@reddit

Flying VFR you have a responsibility to keep a good lookout, and you have to give way to less maneuverable classes of traffic. Paragliding areas are usually notified by NOTAM, too.

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ConPrin@reddit

This happend around Zell am See and the approach plate even states that you have to be cautious about paragliders.

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AdoringCHIN@reddit

They hit a slow moving paraglider that had a large, brightly colored chute. That's the mistake they made. This person should've been visible for miles but the pilot was careless and flew right at her

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DeezChonkingNuts@reddit

If you can't see the giant pink canopy how are you going to see other white planes? Most low altitude flying is done purely visually with no traffic controlling. Not seeing something is the mistake

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penywisexx@reddit

The canopy is giant when looking up from the bottom, when looked at from the side it is wing shaped and low profile. Half of it is also white, it can easily blend it with clouds, not an easy thing to spot at 120mph.

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entered_bubble_50@reddit

If you're climbing, you can't see what's directly ahead. You're supposed to lower the nose and check in front of you every 500 feet or so, but a lot of people don't bother.

So, I can understand how it happened, but it's still the cessna's fault.

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binaryhextechdude@reddit

No different to driving a car. They didn’t look out the windscreen to see what was there

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IceCream_EmperorXx@reddit

No different than driving a car?????? Why are so many people trying to answer this question with zero knowledge, it's so so so so stupid.

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binaryhextechdude@reddit

What is your great knowledgeable answer then genius? If the pilot was paying attention, looking forward and scanning the horizon it wouldn't have happened. So clearly they weren't. Weather they were distracted talking to passengers or looking at their phone. They didn't see the paraglider. So back to my point. Same as can happen when driving, if you get distracted you don't see what's in front of you and accidents happen.

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Kombatnt@reddit

In aviation, the general rule is that the slower vehicle has the right of way. Jets have to yield to prop planes. Cessnas have to yield to gliders. Gliders have to yield to hot air balloons.

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TheMarineLayer@reddit

The mistake was hitting the paraglider with the massive colored parachute. See and avoid is the responsibility of the pilot and powered aircraft are required to give way to non-powered.

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Foreign-Presence-679@reddit

Well you’re pretty much required to be using your eyes flying, unless they’re doing instrument only flight training where they wear goggles to cover up the windows and you’re supposed to use the instruments only but the instructor would be with you and they should be using their eyes, that trains you for flying in clouds

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JustLivingTheDream_@reddit

It’s both parties fault. Paragliders abide by the same rules (generally speaking) when VFR. Paraglider might have right of way but both parties are responsible for see and avoid. Some paragliding areas are NOTAM’d so people are aware but I know plenty of people that hike to the top of a mountain and send it. I’ve flown near paragliding ports and they aren’t always easy to see even with bright colors. They’re slower and so have less movement across the sky which makes them harder to see especially in ground clutter which was possibly the case here. (USA pilot, so rules could be different over there than here)

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TheMarineLayer@reddit

I’m curious if you watched the video. The paraglider is hit from behind. A non-powered aircraft is fit from behind by a powered aircraft. The powered aircraft is 100% at fault.

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JustLivingTheDream_@reddit

I did and the paraglider was in a shallow AOB turn. I’m not saying the Cessna isn’t at fault, they are partly (or even mostly) to blame. But the paraglider is obligated to clear turns, I almost guarantee flying without ADSB, and flying at a couple thousand feet AGL… they are not blameless.

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TheMarineLayer@reddit

A shallow turn to the left, while looking left. You said US pilot so you probably remember that that is what we tech so any converging faster aircraft can avoid a collision by passing on the right. How you would suggest doing a clearing turn without … turning.

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basinbasinbasin@reddit

Theoretically the paraglider had the right of way as it's a slower moving aircraft. Buut based on what I can see in the video the paraglider was in the Cessna's blindspot, I doubt the Cessna pilot even saw him. From the Cessna perspective the paraglider would have been in front of and under the engine.

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dudeman1018@reddit

wtf cessna are you flying that your blind spot is 12 o'clock same altitude?

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basinbasinbasin@reddit

Literally any 172 if the paraglider was gliding at the altitude he was hit at he wouldn't been seen by the pilot, looking out the windscreen, theres about 5 feet of engine and anything obscured by said engine cannot be seen. This isn't even taking into account if the Cessna was climbing or the paraglider was climbing (due to air currents/up drafts or turbulence).

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dudeman1018@reddit

The chute, which if you didn't realize is just a tad bit bigger than the actual person, quite literally hit the windscreen of the cessna.

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basinbasinbasin@reddit

You're everything wrong with reddit that you can't read another opinion and put aside your 10 hours of Xbox gaming experience to imagine that there might maybe be a reasonable explanation other than that a pilot would knowingly want to risk his own life nevermind the paragliders..

I'm licensed to fly a Cessna 172 in the US. What the fluff are you licensed to fly?

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basinbasinbasin@reddit

I'm watching on mobile so I can't slow it down to the frame. Even if the chute hit the windscreen. 0000001 seconds before impact that doesn't mean it wasn't in his blind spot until the last second.

Please just go get lessons at your local airport. There's hundreds of pilots all in here saying what I'm saying and there's hundreds of Karen's all not understanding how hard it is to see other aircraft especially when they are in a blind spot. But the chute is so big and colorful.. Like go sit in a plane for the love of God and have an adult stand in front of you on the ranp and visualize that you literally can only see his shoulders and head, and that's assuming you are both in straight, level flight.

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MultiGeek42@reddit

The Spirit of St Louis

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MamaCassegrain@reddit

Did Cessna ever make a round engine plane? Yes. I used to fly one, a 195.

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IronicEnigmatism@reddit

See and avoid. I doubt that either pilot would have had time to react before the collision. Even though it was brightly colored, that's a tiny object in a very big sky, just like birds, which get hit all the time.

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TheMarineLayer@reddit

That’s a poor analogy. A paragliding canopy is orders of magnitude bigger than a bird and is brightly colored.

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IronicEnigmatism@reddit

True. I was just making the point that it's small, and would be hard to spot, even for a vigilant pilot.

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TheMarineLayer@reddit

It’s not that small. For a bit of perspective a Cessna 172 has a 174 sq.ft. wing, paraglider canopies depending on the model average between 100-200 sq.ft.

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Vesploogie@reddit

Unless there was an active notice designating this specific airspace for paragliding activity, this is 0% the Cessna’s fault.

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NoticeSignificant785@reddit

So unless it’s a designated airspace you’re just allowed to fly into shit? Crazy rules.

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Wedge_Donovan@reddit

Please tell me you're not an actual pilot IRL. That is a wildly incorrect statement, it's 100% the Cessna's fault.

All aircraft are required to see and avoid other traffic to the best extent possible when it's VFR/VMC like this. The Cessna was behind the paraglider, and the paraglider had a giant, brightly colored canopy. Inexcusable for the Cessna pilot to miss that.

Also, multiple right of way rules were violated by the Cessna. More maneuverable aircraft (the Cessna) are required to give way to less maneuverable aircraft (the paraglider), and any aircraft being overtaken from behind has the right-of-way over the aircraft overtaking it.

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Virian@reddit

See and avoid is the rule when fling VFR. This is 100% the Cessna’s fault. That paraglider had the right of way.

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TheMarineLayer@reddit

That’s not at all how VFR works

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ShittyLanding@reddit

I was just wondering what it would take to have a small ADS-B out transmitter mounted on that rig. I’m guessing not much.

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bbot@reddit

The uAvionix ping200X is a ADS-B OUT transponder for drones. Masses 50 grams, costs about $5 grand without antenna or power supply.

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annodomini@reddit

The SkyEcho is a much cheaper option, but not yet approved in all markets: https://www.gps.co.uk/product/uavionix-skyecho-2-electronic-conspicuity/

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Unique_Reference4446@reddit

at least ADS-B IN is affordable and a good first choice.

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613Flyer@reddit

The guy was flying where paragliders fly on a weekly basis. Not to mention the plane pilot cleared those hills by a very small margin. 100% pilot error

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JodieFostersFist@reddit

Should be a requirement absolutely everywhere

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therealhlmencken@reddit

Even like cave diving? /s

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Txcavediver@reddit

Wait, what?

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JodieFostersFist@reddit

Did I stutter?

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Txcavediver@reddit

They normally fly in areas marked on the charts and the planes should not be going in there. Same for gliders. At least in the us.

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pilot3033@reddit

While popular parachute and glider operations are depicted on US VFR sectional charts, they are not "areas," it's a little graphic, and pilots are in no way prohibited from being there.

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neat_klingon@reddit

No special air space in that area:

https://www.openaip.net/map#10.91/47.3157/12.8152

Just a C and D way above

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Skynet_lives@reddit

The Cessna would have to have ADSB-In also which is hit and miss.

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Sherifftruman@reddit

That small plane might not have even had ADSB-D out.

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reflect-the-sun@reddit

A spare chute would be a good idea, too!

Edit: what's an absd?

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Jaric_Mondoran@reddit

What do you think got her on the ground after her primary got murdered?

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reflect-the-sun@reddit

Your mum.

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battlestargalaga@reddit

Its a type of beacon that just pings your location and info once a second. Its a newer standard than what is normally called transponders which require a radar to request the info first. If you've ever looked on flightradar24 or similar it primarily uses ADS-B

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seanrm92@reddit

Ads-b is basically a GPS based traffic monitoring system. You put a little tracking device on your airplane and everyone else, and you can get a live map of the location and altitude of every airplane.

Most airplanes have them these days, and it does wonders for avoiding collisions just like this.

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Sawfish1212@reddit

A system like a transponder that reports to other aircraft not just ground stations

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dudeman1018@reddit

I mean, ads-b out only works if everyone else has ads-b in, which most GA aircraft do not.

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marys1001@reddit

Yes that high not expecting to have to look for paragliders

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troglodyte@reddit

What are the regulations around that? I thought ads-b OUT had to be physically installed into a registered airframe.

I get the idea though. This is example seven million of the issues with VFR without ADS-B.

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BalanceEarly@reddit

I would expect a bird strike, but not a plane!

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MiserableJudgment256@reddit

A couple feet lower and she would have played the role of the bird.

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hph304@reddit

If the plane doesn't have a receiver it won't help a bit if you have adsb or flarm.

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You-Tubor@reddit

I agree, but we can’t even get all the old timers in their Piper Cubs to use a radio.

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EVsRock@reddit

This doesn't make much sense in many parts of the world as a requirement. A good idea, yes. But a requirement, I'd vote against that.

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lev10bard@reddit

No way the Cessna didn't see it

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MarioDesigns@reddit

Heads on its way less visible than from the ground.

The area you see is tiny in comparison, add in distance, speed, etc. Not really that crazy to not see it until it’s too late.

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JankeyMunter@reddit

Yes way. You be shocked how invisible other aircraft are even if you know where they are. If you’re not expecting this it will sneak up on you.

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stohelitstorytelling@reddit

It's a giant technicolor cloud in the sky. Parachutes, the glider, everything is colored to be as noticeable as possible. It's not a white plane against a cloud backdrop. It's a giant technicolor cloud.

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FutureHoo@reddit

You’re being downvoted but I agree with you. Missing a multicolored parachute against blue skies is fucking abmysal flying

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_ongo_gablogian@reddit

YoUrE bEiNg DoWnVoTeD

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JimTheJerseyGuy@reddit

And the paraglider was directly under the nose of the Cessna, its blind spot.

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PoxyMusic@reddit

The visual cross section from the airplanes perspective is much much smaller than it is with this camera’s perspective.

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Vesploogie@reddit

Fun fact, planes are painted with bright colors too. You’ve got no idea how hard this guy would be to see.

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21MPH21@reddit

We've missed other jets, in the sky. Every paint scheme. Broad daylight. Full size jets, missed in the sky. ATC giving repeated location updates. It happens. Sad but yep

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Chocolatecake420@reddit

The plane was above the paraglider, so he would not have been framed against the blue sky. Also coming directly at it you would only see the thin profile.

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_ongo_gablogian@reddit

Unfortunately these are the comments that come when a post goes viral and a bunch of people that are clueless on a topic start commenting on it

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uhmhi@reddit

Indeed. Just look at the video to see how the Cessna was basically invisible until the very last fraction of a second, where collision was basically unavoidable.

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Border-landsPD58@reddit

This is the only answer. You won't even see them when atc tell you their exact location.

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_ongo_gablogian@reddit

Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without telling us you don't know what you're talking about

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613Flyer@reddit

That pilot was very low when he came over the hills and should have been aware of paragliders in the area. He was extremely low and probably looking around more than ahead.

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RyzOnReddit@reddit

Pilot could have been heads down. Even if not, seeing other planes is shockingly hard, especially if you’re on a collision course (no relative movement for your brain to see).

The pilot absolutely SHOULD have seen the paraglider.

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Transmorgrafier_2024@reddit

No way. If the paraglider canopy matched a background feature, like a ridge line or whatever, it would just blend in, no matter the colour.

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AdoringCHIN@reddit

What features in nature are bright pink and green like that?

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Namenloser23@reddit

I don't know how forward visibility is in the Cessna, but it's quite possible most/all of the paraglider was hidden between the engine. But as a glider pilot, I have also had many encounters with powered aircraft that should have seen be but either didn't, or at least made little effort to avoid me.

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Independent_Leg7358@reddit

It's hard to see down directly over the nose. Now that blindspot is typically covered by aircraft slightly below you being able to see slighly above much easier and to separate themselves.

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Coyote-Foxtrot@reddit

The camera view shows the entire windshield of the Cessna blocked by the fuselage, so that means the pilot doesn’t see the paraglider.

And it flew head on into the actual paraglider canopy so the thinnest visual profile would be what the pilot would have to try to find.

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JimTheJerseyGuy@reddit

Below and straight ahead is a blind spot on a Cessna.

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dudeman1018@reddit

Regardless of position, this would have been extremely hard to see, but as someone with a bunch of hours in a 172, yes sure, 12 o'clock low and 100ft in front of you is a blind spot...but, the parachute quite literally made impact with the windshield, so unless the parachute was in an updraft, blind spot was not an issue here.

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reddititty69@reddit

This. And if he was configured for slow flight the blind spot is even larger.

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Inspired-User2026@reddit

So are you saying this is intentional?

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ThatRunwayBehindUs@reddit

Thats not necessarily true - as others have mentioned, from the angle shown in the video - the cessna was flying towards/into the sun. Flying into the sun makes it considerably harder to see things, especially just in front of you/slightly below the nose.

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Runga08@reddit

Aren’t charts or NOTAMS usually updated with parachute activity areas?

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Vesploogie@reddit

Ideally, but that’s only if they’re announced in advance or reported by other pilots.

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seanrm92@reddit

Yes but that's only to advise that the area is a known hot spot for parachute activity. It doesn't say anything about where the parachutes actually are. It also doesn't stop a parachutist like this from flying somewhere else.

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Vesploogie@reddit

I take it you’re not a pilot.

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dumbassretail@reddit

It’s really hard to see other airplanes, even when you know exactly where they are, they’re bigger, and you are actively looking for them.

A paraglider you don’t know is there? It could easily be missed.

I can’t imagine the Cessna pilot seeing it and just mowing into it anyways. That would be a significant risk to their life too.

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Chocolatecake420@reddit

It can be incredibly hard to see an entire airplane even when you know exactly where to look. Paragliders are very hard to see if you are passing then at 100+ mph.

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opbmedia@reddit

Last time we were out there was another small plane that passed within 1000 ft over head and we never could find it. It is very hard to spot small planes.

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No-Resolution-1770@reddit

All the upvotes by people without licenses such a shame. My two biggest fears - engine failure at night and running into another plane in the big open sky. What do you think - a licensed pilot committing murder?

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Fly3rBoi@reddit

From the angle, this guy was below his cowling in the last 5-15 seconds and easily could have missed him when he was above him.

A pilot would definitely NOT risk his life and the paraglider on purpose.

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makgross@reddit

Having encountered one in a very stupid location (intersecting an instrument approach), yes there is.

These things are invisible to radar and ADSB, and can be very hard to spot, especially at lower altitudes than the airplane in the presence of ground clutter. Quite aside from that, things go by real fast at two miles per minute, and can come from any direction. Largest hazards are other airplanes and helicopters.

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Flowa-Powa@reddit

They absolutely didn't see it, that could have brought him down

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Careful-Republic-332@reddit

It is ridiculously hard to spot even widebody aircrafts from the air when the lighting is right, even if you know exactly where they are.. So spotting something like that can be near impossible.

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anonduplo@reddit

What happened to the plane?

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Familiar-Nothing4948@reddit (OP)

This happened yesterday. According to the news post I saw earlier it said that the pilot was uninjured.

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Tr35on@reddit

That pilot needs not fly anymore.

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DynamiteWitLaserBeam@reddit

Not really fair to the pilot at this time. Remember, they are seeing it with the horizon/terrain behind it, and possibly with the sun in their eyes too. They could have had no visability to that canopy until a second, maybe two, before impact. Sometimes shit just happens - that's why these things get investigated properly.

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Professional_Low_646@reddit

I have actually had a very similar situation in the same location (Zell am See). The traffic pattern for the airport basically hugs the slopes of the surrounding mountains; it’s not a normal rectangle, but twists and turns with the terrain. Austria has lots of weird traffic patterns btw.

Anyway, I follow the pattern for my arrival during my CPL XC solo. I‘m busy: configuring the aircraft, radio calls, checklists; and of course making sure I follow the published procedure to ensure separation from terrain, obstacles and noise sensitive residents. I round one of the mountain outcrops along the published pattern, and as I level out of my right turn, I spot a paragliding canopy maybe 15m/50ft below me. It says on the approach plate to watch out for paragliders, so I was intentionally keeping the aircraft high - if I’d followed a normal approach profile, the vertical separation would either have been very small or nonexistant. It’s a nasty spot.

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pfp61@reddit

That you for sharing your first hand experience

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AdoringCHIN@reddit

It looks like the sun is either nearly directly above the paraglider or to her back. Which means it's to the back of the plane too. And the paraglider had a giant colorful canopy.

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impactedturd@reddit

I think she's facing the sun because there's no shadow casted on her from the parachute, which is behind her. So the plane is also facing the sun.

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MamaCassegrain@reddit

Doesn't matter. This is VFR and that pilot is absolutely solely responsible for seeing and avoiding the glider. ASSUMING the glider is operating in permitted airspace.

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Pretty_Marsh@reddit

The NTSB report on the Caravan vs paraglider accident in Texas a few years ago found that there was physically no way for the caravan pilot to see the paraglider and react in time. They did not fault the pilot.

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MosYEETo@reddit

How is a pilot flying a plane supposed to be able to see one person in the air? You can’t even see the plane till a second or two before it hits

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Lampwick@reddit

How is a pilot flying a plane supposed to be able to see one person in the air?

They're not expected to see a person, they're expected to see 20+ square meters of rainbow colored paraglider canopy. That said, it's still hard to see even that. As others have noted, this is an approach to Zell am See (LOWZ), which is is a fairly narrow alpine valley surrounded by steep terrain.

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pm_me_your_kindwords@reddit

Even with that size, the pilot is at the same elevation (unfortunately), so they would have been only looking at basically the leading edge. It would have been basically impossible to see with enough time to do anything about it.

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Highspdfailure@reddit

It’s called paying attention and keep a good cross check.

You can spot planes flying, birds and other objects.

Flew 20 years for military.

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bhalter80@reddit

That's really unfair, picking out a small object that has no relative bearing change is extremely difficult. That's why you see so many left turning car vs motorcycle accidents.

Shit happens, this will happen again. FLARM would help in that part of the world.

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AdoringCHIN@reddit

Oh definitely. How the hell does someone miss a giant colorful canopy like that? The sun wouldn't even be in their eyes so that's not an excuse. And it looks like the pilot made no attempt to evade and just kept going in a straight line after.

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Impossible_Most_4518@reddit

pilot was uninjured 😂

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Kichigai@reddit

Any photos released of the plane itself? I'm trying to wrap my head around the physics of what happened, and can't picture the incident without the parasail lines lacing into the body.

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Kittykatcatkat@reddit

Thank god! My first thought after this accident was “was the pilot ok?” And “was the plane damaged?”

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DeepSeaDynamo@reddit

I bet the pilot seat needs some attention though

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cryptolyme@reddit

Cessna didn’t even land to exchange information. What a dick.

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DawnWraithBrilliant@reddit

Now she can say she got hit by a plane and survived lol

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ClosedL00p@reddit

Dude in the bakery truck gets to welcome a new member to his club

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penelopiecruise@reddit

Not so big sky theory

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rob_s_458@reddit

Or as Juan Browne says, the limitations of see and avoid

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IntroductionLeft4369@reddit

That’s why it’s a theory and not a law. 😬

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icarusbird@reddit

Not what theory means, but sure.

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DietCherrySoda@reddit

Theories and laws are different things.

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SparrowBirch@reddit

It’s a small sky after all

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DrMilkeye@reddit

holy shit

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CardinalOfNYC@reddit

The screaming. It's all pretty much after she's got the chute out and then on the ground. Being so close to death like that, all those feelings.

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p8ntballnxj@reddit

One massive dump of adrenaline.

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ChumbleBumbler@reddit

Right next to the massive dump in my pants

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ResidentQuail7118@reddit

... and probably a dump of another kind in her knickers.

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Longbeach_strangler@reddit

A you imagine the adrenaline dump she felt?

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FreeDig1758@reddit

Right.

If she wanted an adrenaline rush, she sure got one.

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C-57D@reddit

She did really well, staying relatively calm w her reserve chute and getting on the ground safely.

But holy shit.

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lems04@reddit

Her only mistake is keeping hold of the pod, it could have cause the rescue to not open and stay in it. Normally it’s grab and throw as far as possible. Thankful that she is safe tho !

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Br00nster@reddit

Beat me to it. Holy shit indeed!

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PilotBurner44@reddit

Holy hell.

I thought it just caught the landing gear, but when pausing it, the nose of the plane went through the risers. Looks like the canopy covered the windshield.

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KarmaAdjuster@reddit

I know this isn't aviation related, but did the camera catch the bear coming up behind her after she landed on the ground?

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chukkysh@reddit

That pilot presumably landed thinking they had just killed someone. I bet the relief was palpable.

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Doufnuget@reddit

It’s a 360 camera that records everything in a sphere around itself and then you can go back and focus on parts of the sphere later.

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Dewey081@reddit

"Break your own rules" saves the day.

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Musclecar123@reddit

Look at the angle of the sun. To me it looks like the Cessna was flying toward the sun and couldn’t see the paraglider, flying away from it.

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StanleyGuevara@reddit

I'm sorry, but this doesn't hold. The sun is high in the sky.

Look at shadows on her harness (e.g. the reserve handle, the green D-shaped thingy).

Look at shadows of the trees on the ground, in the air or after she lands.

It might've have played a minor role, they could've been going slightly towards the sun but with that high of an angle it shouldn't make a difference. Unless the canopy is so scratched even such high sun angle caused reflections blinding the pilot. But then I'd argue such plane should not be airworthy.

Anyway - it definitely wasn't like they were going directly against the sun at low angle.

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MadBrown@reddit

Yeah I was struggling to see how this happens but the sun in your eye could do it I suppose.

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Kermit_the_hog@reddit

Was wondering how the hell that could happen. Like the person is tiny but that parachute is pretty sizable and colorful.

I’ve never flown a plane but I have to imagine this wouldn’t be an easy feat if they were trying to collide.

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Bythion@reddit

Paragliders have these little cloth shells they get into after takeoff to reduce drag and to act like a windbreaker.

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Kermit_the_hog@reddit

Oh that makes sense. Going to have a kid soon, might call their sleepy-sack their “paragliding sack” after learning this.

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Bright_Broccoli1844@reddit

And call their onsie a jumpsuit.

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imscavok@reddit

Sizable and colorful from underneath… I bet it’s not so sizable in profile.

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Kermit_the_hog@reddit

That’s true. Collision was impressively face on though so I suppose it’s profile could have been even smaller!

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reddititty69@reddit

Possible that the paraglider was just under the nose of the plane, from the pilots POV, from the time it would have been visible.

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J-Love-McLuvin@reddit

It would’ve helped had the paraglider had more colorful gear 🤔

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OkHistory3944@reddit

I mean, you don't really expect to have to watch out for humans up there.

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buerglermeister@reddit

It‘s actually pretty common in the alps. With the right thermal they climb high

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Original-Fig4214@reddit

Deliberate, purposeful, malicious

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daygloviking@reddit

You have any idea what one of those chutes will do to a Cessna?

No?

Then carry on with your deserved downvotes

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reidy-@reddit

Very unorthodox PLF haha, glad all walked /flew away!

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Proxxos@reddit

Yep, ADS-B should be mandatory as paraglider. Your sometimes near to invisible for other aircraft, or only when it’s too late to avoid.

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Tokter@reddit

Mobile ADS-B transmitter are not allowed currently. Otherwise most paragliders would use them. As they already have Flarm and Fanet transmitters that send out their position.

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m-in@reddit

What do you mean "not allowed". Not allowed by whom and where?

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TampaPowers@reddit

You can't even equip a drone with one currently. Suppose the reasoning is they don't want a ton of that stuff interfering with operations of more critical aircraft. Countries in the EU love to regulate everything into oblivion even if it might not make sense.

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Sapere_aude75@reddit

Can someone more familiar with paragliders explain why she didn't cutaway the bad canopy? Looks like a big risk of entanglement.

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StanleyGuevara@reddit

The priority is to deploy the reserve first. Reserves in paragliding are not designed for freefall deployments, they're designed to be deployed while you still have your (possibly tangled) main wing attached.

Once you deploy the priority shifts to disabling the main wing and preparing for impact. In this case there's nothing to disable really, the wing is so shredded it won't cause any mirroring effect (when you got 2 pieces of cloth overhead they can start flying opposite directions leaving nothing overhead, increasing sink rate significantly).

But yeah, normally you'd disable and pull in the wing into your harness to prevent mirroring and entanglement. In this situation there's just not much left to cause trouble.

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bythisriver@reddit

Cutaway carabiners are usually found on acro wings, not xc. The paragliding reserves are not freefall canopies.

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ContributionEasy6513@reddit

Faaaaaahk.....I fly both light aircraft and paragliders and from both perspectives it's terrifying.

Glad all involved made it to the ground safely.

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TemperatureFinal5135@reddit

Truly wild. Incredible recovery by the paraglider. I think it took her less than 6 seconds to go from watching a plane hit her chute to deploying her backup.

I would love to hear her tell us how long it felt for her!

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CollegeStation17155@reddit

Probably like finding the pilot and running him down in her car.

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Sherifftruman@reddit

How often do you train in a situation where you are chilling enjoying the beautiful day and suddenly your wing is useless and you have to pull the reserve.

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ContributionEasy6513@reddit

I've done it once for practice in 5 years of flying them, countless times on the ground during the initial training. Higher rated pilots such as those doing aerobatics or flying advanced wings certainly practice it more.

It's not rocket science on my rig, pull the red cord, try to throw it as far as you can.

Few reasons you might need to pull the reserve, tangled, wing collapse and does not re-inflate, fails somehow, collisions with other paragliders, birds attacking them.

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Vegetable_Log_3837@reddit

Useless glider is much better than autorotating glider.

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IKnowACondor@reddit

Holy shit!!!

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Sufficient_Eye5804@reddit

If you can’t see a pink parachute from 300 meters away, stay away from planes and flying.

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awajitoka@reddit

Plane is registered to a sightseeing company. "Alpenflug is an Austrian aviation company based in Zell..."

https://www.alpenflug.at/en/alpenflug/highlights-facts-alpine-flight/

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21MPH21@reddit

I know a sight they missed lol

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swohio@reddit

Doesn't look like they missed.

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mnztr1@reddit

Heyyy look at that glacier... OH SHIT!!

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TheFuckingHippoGuy@reddit

Also said on the Titanic

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verbalyabusiveshit@reddit

And if you just look left, you can see a paraglider dropping out of the sky.

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misterpickles69@reddit

You need glasses. That was a dude with a parachute.

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JayOnSilverHill@reddit

Hey what are those goats doing up here in the clouds?

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blizzard36@reddit

One of my favs.

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ThatDarnRosco@reddit

Lovely far side reference

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unrivaledhumility@reddit

I find this to be ironic.

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LegitimateSubject226@reddit

I guess the plane pilot will be in shit street for not looking out of the fucking window

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Substantial_Diver_34@reddit

And she landed next to a road. What a bad ass.

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OziAviator@reddit

OIDA

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montague68@reddit

For the non-pilots who think that this was intentional or the pilot was distracted, pause the video at the 11 second mark. Can you find the plane? If you did, congratulations. You now have one second to react before the collision.

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Sowhataboutthisthing@reddit

So what happens to everyone here? Was anyone in the wrong?

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montague68@reddit

Nothing, this was uncontrolled airspace as far as I am aware so no one did anything wrong. Just an accident that fortunately had a happy ending.

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OptimusSublime@reddit

A Cessna 172 can safely fly in roughly 1.64x10^19 cubic meters of our atmosphere, and he manages to hit the 0.085 cubic meters this paraglider occupied.

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Fluffy_Muffins_415@reddit

It's scary to watch

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strangefish@reddit

If that plane had been flying a couple feet lower, the outcome would have horrific instead of just terrifying.

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EpicCyclops@reddit

It would've been horrific for both too. I don't think Cessnas are designed to deal with a head on collision with an object so large directly on the nose in the air.

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xrensa@reddit

Multiple shoutouts to r/oida

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mnelaway@reddit

How is this even captured on camera? So clear and stable throughout. Can’t quite grasp it.

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Volkov_Afanasei@reddit

I think she just said "leck mich im arsh" which hilariously, is the title of a real song Mozart wrote, and translates as "lick my asshole!"

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Happy_Harry@reddit

Ooh I know this one from The Book Thief

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marvk@reddit

Close, it's "Leck mich am Arsch", which, translated literally, means "Lick me on the ass".

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neat_klingon@reddit

Leck mi om Oasch

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marvk@reddit

Yes, but another layer of translation doesn't make it easier to understand :-D

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stormdraggy@reddit

This is why you don't lick a stranger in the alps.

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winkelschleifer@reddit

German speaker here. It’s the English equivalent of “kiss my ass”.

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Lumpy_Panic6318@reddit

imo best translation would be an angry "fuuuck meee" or maybe "hoooly shit", strong negative surprise kinda phrase

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waterMyShrubs@reddit

Minor correction, it is "ass" not "asshole". "Arschloch" would be "asshole". Also it sounds weird saying that in English, but it's best compared to our phrase "kiss my ass". Mozarts song is generally regarded to be a joke for his friends, not a serious piece.

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Volkov_Afanasei@reddit

O yea, I always kind of assumed they used it like kiss my ass, but I like direct translations, they are funny and make me laugh

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CmdrKrz@reddit

That's definitely what she said

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MegamindsMegaCock@reddit

In Gaelic!

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marvk@reddit

Transcript (Sorry, I tried my best, but I couldn't make out most things because of the background noise. Maybe someone else has an idea):

0:29: Leck mich am arsch! (Holy Shit, or literally Lick me on the ass)

0:49 inaudible

1:39 inaudible

1:55 inaudible

2:34 So, ich leb' noch, des is die Hauptsache (Alright, I'm still alive, that's the main thing)

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Lampwick@reddit

I could swear I heard an "OIDA!" in there once or twice, which set my "Austrian detected" flag...

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marvk@reddit

Yeah for sure, but I omitted all the oidas and arghs. Too much work :-D

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gefahr@reddit

The news article elsewhere in this thread indeed calls her an Upper Austrian.

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hoagieam@reddit

Paraglider killed it. I cannot imagine the panic.

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flygirlsworld@reddit

The plane could have hit her and not the chute

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flygirlsworld@reddit

I would be Fkn pissssssssseeddddd

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SarraSimFan@reddit

How long until Juan Brown makes a video on this?

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Personal_Plankton648@reddit

Oida!

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Chago04@reddit

I fly in one of the most active parachute drop zones in the world and also have flown PPCs. It is definitely harder to see especially if you’re not looking out for it and they are turning 90 degrees as she did. The chord length on a wing is like 8’ and you’re approaching at 120 knots.

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SkiDaderino@reddit

Motor must give way to sail.

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Chago04@reddit

If you can see it. It’s harder to see a chute than you would expect.

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AIRdomination@reddit

It really isn’t.

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Flowa-Powa@reddit

Went for the chute immediately, even had time to adjust her camera on the way down, what a girl

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Seconex@reddit

360 camera isn't it? So adjustments happen after.

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yoweigh@reddit

She moved it away from her body (somehow) so it had a better view of the whole situation.

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Kichigai@reddit

I suspect it's tethered and she just dropped it to focus on not dying.

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yoweigh@reddit

It seems to me like it was carefully positioned at first, then it got close to her body while everything was flailing around, then once she was stable she moved it away from her body and it stayed there. If it were on a tether I'd expect it to move around a lot more.

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angryaxolotls@reddit

I agree! Paging r/NextFuckingLevel lol

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AIRdomination@reddit

Stevie wonder must be flying. How the fuck do you miss a parachute of multiple bright colors?!

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Legitimate-Lab9077@reddit

Pilot should not only lose their license, but should be prosecuted criminally

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KehreAzerith@reddit

It doesn't work that way, an investigation is done first and then depending on the circumstances, such as if anyone as fault then action will be taken

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clingbat@reddit

If I can see the plane coming at her in this small ass video (which I clearly can), then there's no way that asshole pilot couldn't see a large pink parachute if they were paying attention, no matter how much some of you are trying to defend the pilot.

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KehreAzerith@reddit

This is up to aviation authorities to investigate, there are too many factors at okay to assume what happened in a situation like this

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Honest_Camel3035@reddit

Here is another website with more complete information, and photos.

Original:

https://salzburg.orf.at/stories/3355559/

Translated to English:

https://salzburg-orf-at.translate.goog/stories/3355559/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Kichigai@reddit

Goodness me that site is so delightfully ad free.

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neat_klingon@reddit

That should be somewhere here:

https://www.openaip.net/map#13.56/47.3157/12.7610

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SilverDad-o@reddit

Thx for posting. There are lots of details in this story that address several of the comments in here.

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numbnerve@reddit

that was crazy

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struggle_brush@reddit

A hit and run, too!

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KehreAzerith@reddit

What is the pilot supposed to do? Loop around and park the plane on the side? The pilot is more interested in landing at the nearest airport due to possible damage, and then will look into what happened during the flight

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PracticallyQualified@reddit

Genuine question, is the Cessna required to loop back to help locate and evaluate the situation or is it required to seek the closest airport to evaluate its own damage?

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KehreAzerith@reddit

That cessna was involved in a mid air collision, it's absolutely going to the nearest airport to land.

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Taptrick@reddit

Landed in the grass next to a gravel road. Damn that person is insanely lucky.

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SilverDad-o@reddit

... right after being insanely unlucky.

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Broad-Lobster7470@reddit

What are the odds of this vs say getting struck by lightning

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Blueberry_Mancakes@reddit

Do paragliders have an air and transceiver on them to listen and make necessary communications in am emergency?

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RdtRanger6969@reddit

JFC. As a skydiver, this is terrifying. At least our airspace is usually more controlled (most DZs are at airports).

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fellipec@reddit

Holy s...

So glad she has survived, this could have ended way worse.

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robo-dragon@reddit

Holy fuck! Glad she’s ok! Quick reaction from her throwing out her emergency parachute.

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BagelsOrDeath@reddit

That was a hard landing. I'm glad to see that she seems ok.

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Right_Sugar_4007@reddit

What a brave woman! She sure knows how to handle emergency and high stress level…..!

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FxckFxntxnyl@reddit

That is absolutely insane footage.

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us1549@reddit

If you don't have an ASDB-out, I won't see you. See and avoid only gets you so far.

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yourlocalFSDO@reddit

ADSB should not be your only means of traffic avoidance. It isn’t even required in the vast majority of airspace. Too many people have this attitude and lack proper scanning techniques

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us1549@reddit

What's legal isn't always the safest way of operating.

Sure you could be flying without a radio or ADSB, but doing that on a known Victor airway is probably not wise

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yourlocalFSDO@reddit

You said “if you don’t have ADSB-out, I won’t see you.”

That’s an attitude that will get people killed. Your responsibility as a pilot is to see and avoid traffic with your eyes. ADSB is an extremely helpful tool that greatly improves safety, but you absolutely should not be relying on it as anything other than an aid in seeing and avoiding traffic with your eyes.

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us1549@reddit

There are real limitations of See and Avoid that if evident in this incident. If I'm traveling at 250kts, even if I am scanning 100% of the time, which is impossible as I have other things to do - by the time I see your chute putting along, factoring human reaction time, I would have already hit you.

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yourlocalFSDO@reddit

We absolutely do ask 121 guys to see and avoid. TCAS is, just like ADSB, an aid. If I see a TCAS target close I’m immediately looking out the window to find it not relying on the automated system to protect me, until we actually get an RA.

The attitude of relying on ADSB/TCAS etc results in a passive attitude towards traffic avoidance and is extremely dangerous. I see it a lot in GA now where pilots I’m instructing are so focused on their moving map and ADSB targets that they spend far less time scanning for traffic than they should be.

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us1549@reddit

Fair enough - we can both be right

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biggsteve81@reddit

At least in the US, portable ADS-B transmitters are not currently legal.

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Phog_of_War@reddit

The NTSB is going to gave some...questions. That was terrifying.

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Phog_of_War@reddit

Woah back off everyone. Sorry. I thought this happened in the US. I made a mistake, jeez.

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krodders@reddit

NTSB in... Switzerland?

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marvk@reddit

/r/USdefaultism

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Phog_of_War@reddit

I mean, it happens to the best of us Americans.

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kaaskugg@reddit

The National Tyrolian Schnitzel Board?

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FelisCantabrigiensis@reddit

Only if they get asked to provide a technical representative by the Austrian investigation authority (being the state of manufacture of the aircraft and probably the engine).

The serious incident happened in Austria.

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Left_Afloat@reddit

From a parachutist perspective….fantastic job not panicking and going for the reserve efficiently. Won’t place blame on any one party without more contest. If it is truly as popular of an area to paraglide as some people have said, anyone flying should have way more SA.

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VirginiaDare1587@reddit

OMG!

Thank heaven she had a reserve and was cool under pressure.

Was Cessna pilot playing silly buggers and trying to see how close he could come to the paraglider?

Or did he just not see?

This very very easily could have resulted in death to all aboard both.

Any word on what actions Austro Control has taken or is likely to take?

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TuckItInThereDawg@reddit

how do reserves (generally) avoid getting tangled in the tattered primary chute?

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Vegetable_Log_3837@reddit

That’s one of the biggest risks in paragliding. Ideally you throw the reserve into open air away from the glider. They come out like football sized package with a handle, you have to literally throw it. Then you have to disable the main glider to avoid downplaining (assuming it doesn’t get shredded like this).

People doing intentionally sketchy things carry two or more reserves. There are some videos out there of the first reserve getting eaten by the glider, and the second one working.

We do carry hook knives but good luck actually using it in a scenario like this.

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us1549@reddit

There are real limitations of See and Avoid as evident here.

If I'm traveling at 250kts, even if I am scanning 100% of the time, which is impossible as I have other things to do - by the time I see your chute putting along, factoring human reaction time, I would have already hit you.

So yeah, "See and Avoid" but ADSB increases that safety margin and we should all be using it.

It's the same reason we don't ask our 121 guys to "See and Avoid" and give them TCAS RA and TA. Use your eyes but back that up with automation that will save you ass if your eyes miss it.

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punkslaot@reddit

What an asshole

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rmannyconda78@reddit

Someone’s gonna need to change their pants that’s for sure, a lucky miss right there

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dcal1981@reddit

Holy crap!!...

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96fordman03@reddit

Lucky woman

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RatInaMaze@reddit

Damn, can’t believe she was able to deploy that second one. Wild.

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Puravida1904@reddit

This is insane

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jawshoeaw@reddit

This is why I always carry extra Kleenex

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MidwestRacingLeague@reddit

Training saved him that day.

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ToonaSandWatch@reddit

Her.

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0melettedufromage@reddit

Layman here. Is this just treated as an accident, or are there some sort of consequences for either party?

Should the paraglider have been wearing some sort of transponder? Did she have the right of way or did ahe accidentally cross the plane’s flight path?

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kant0r@reddit

Layman here as well, but aviation enthusiast. I would assume paragliders have the „right of way“ so to speak, being generally less able to maneuver quickly and being slower. Also, I assume they were both in an uncontrolled airspace flying under visual flight rules, in which all maneuvering parties must pay attention at all times and perform evasive actions when necessary. But as other commenters have said already, it can/is very difficult to see other airplanes sometimes.

All that being said, by what we see in this video, I would think this is literally „just“ an accident (as long as they were both permitted to be there): Sometimes, you can do everything right and bad things still happen through nobodies fault. It’s probably way more likely that there will be an investigation that results in learning how to best avoid similar situations in the future, instead of one or both of the pilots being in serious trouble.

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Pretend-Cold6624@reddit

Any legal consequences here? How did this woman manage to land with a non-functioning parasail?

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ToonaSandWatch@reddit

Backup. You can see the shadow.

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Old-Library5546@reddit

Talk about luck!

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Cabernetmaven@reddit

Nice work dear

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Grasshopper_pie@reddit

I was already never going to do this but now I'm never going to do it even more.

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Mikelowe93@reddit

Some poo’s come out!

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C-57D@reddit

Lucky it clipped her chute and wasn’t a direct impact w her and the prop. Oof.

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Zathral@reddit

Powered pilots have a reputation for not looking where they're going

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FixergirlAK@reddit

I feel like he would have been very hard to see in that relative position.

I'm surprised this has never happened in Alaska, the paragliding areas are absolutely crisscrossed with uncontrolled airfields and floats if anything make up it harder to see things just below.

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Altruistic-Tailor-13@reddit

A few seconds, a few feet difference and this would be a very tragic story.

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Intrepid_Belt8205@reddit

Wild

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BigAssHamm@reddit

No injuries but attempted manslaughter Jfc.

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T33-L@reddit

Uh, do you know what manslaughter means?

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Grouchy-Ad778@reddit

Attempted manslaughter? Presumably you don’t know what the term means.

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Alive_Load_1478@reddit

Pilot here...definitely hard to see other aircraft. The fact the airplane was slightly above tells me there may have been objects in the background (mountains, terrain, clouds, etc) while looking slightly down. It is possible pilot did see at last second and was pulling up as well. Finding specs in the sky is hard. People don't understand.

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Nimhface@reddit

I fly helicopters with vastly superior visibility and it can still be difficult to see an obstacle that is below you and blending into to terrain. Throw in a skyhawk's instrument panel and it would be very easy to miss a paraglider. Thank goodness no one was hurt and we can all learn from this.

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Certain-Football-637@reddit

For most of this footage I kept thinking, "Where TF is her reserve. Did it stream and get tangled with the main? Did she even cut away? Oh, it's that big white cloud over her head."

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Redone89@reddit

Holly shit, they handled that like a pro.. i’d panic and just die 💀

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cport1@reddit

attempted manslaughter

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T33-L@reddit

…that’s not a thing. That would literally break the definition of manslaughter.

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horse_you_rode_in_on@reddit

Tell me you've never done either of these activities without actually telling me.

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Key_Management2318@reddit

Glück im Unglück.

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Radiant-Month-1168@reddit

I hope that pilot loses his license forever.

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T33-L@reddit

I hope you’re not always a moron.

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HTX-ByWayOfTheWorld@reddit

Anyone get that license plate? Holy crap

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buerglermeister@reddit

(Crash)lands, takes a few deep breaths, says „i‘m still alive, that‘s the main thing“.

What a badass

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Ormith@reddit

Took me far too long to see the white, cloud shaped chute.

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Actual_Engine_4471@reddit

What’s a Cessna, oh shoot

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SnooCamera@reddit

https://www.nachrichten.at/oberoesterreich/gleitschirmpilotin-44-ueberstand-zusammenstoss-mit-cessna-unverletzt;art4,4174171

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omnomguy5@reddit

Who was at fault here? Like is airspace reserved for paragliding?

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Lopoetve@reddit

Motorized must give way to unmotorized.

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justanother-user@reddit

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WERElektro@reddit

"Oida" "geh leck mi am Oasch" That's as austrian as it gets.

More importantly, I am so glad everyone is ok. This could have ended so fucking ugly.

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waxlez2@reddit

Transceipt with Translation: Oida! (Austrian equivalent to Alter in German or Bro in English)

Leck mich am Arsch! (lick my ass)

Oida!

-inaudible- (maybe ma i kugl? which would be "i'm falling")

Fuck! Fuck he!

Okay.

Oida!

So, I leb nu, des is amol die Hauptsoch. (I'm still alive, that's the most important thing.)

Scheisse. (shit)

-inaudible- scheisse.

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fashion_mullet@reddit

I did not expect that…wow.

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nj_legion_ice_tea@reddit

I live in the area, the village visible down in the valley is Piesendorf, and the mountain behind is Schmittenhöhe. There were dozens of paragliders in the area, and Zell am see airport is very busy with small planes on such beautiful days.

But, I can't comprehend how he didn't see her.

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PoxyMusic@reddit

It seems to me that the visual cross section would be very different when seen head-on than it is from this camera’s perspective (looking up)

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yourlocalFSDO@reddit

Probably was seeing and avoiding one of the others of the “dozens of paragliders” and missed this one

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XxCarlxX@reddit

who was at fault?

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Queso_Dias@reddit

OMG. That is so fuckin crazy. So glad she survived!

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AscendedViking7@reddit

HOLY SHIT

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Awkward-Painter2690@reddit

I would love to see the planes POV

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UnusuallyUsual80@reddit

No injuries… except for the mental

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importer1980@reddit

Hard to believe the pilot didn’t have a visual of the brightly colored paraglider rig

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PoxyMusic@reddit

The visual cross section from the airplanes perspective is much much smaller than it is with this camera’s perspective.

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Fatal_Explorer@reddit

Damn this is wild, glad she was able to open the emergency chute and that the ripped up main parachute didn't interfere with the emergency one, this is usually the biggest risk.

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JustlyDues@reddit

I wonder if there's a pilots camera to see what happened from their perspective. Glad to hear there's no major injuries.

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KnownAsAnother@reddit

Very glad she made it out of this.

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operationiffy@reddit

That is fucking crazy

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Green_Implement_5564@reddit

Underpants might have been a casualty

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alucyshyn@reddit

Wow. It seemed intentional

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_thebronze@reddit

Don’t ever say anything contrary to what everyone else on here says, no matter how reasonable, you’ll get downvoted instantly.

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alucyshyn@reddit

For reals LOL people are crazy 🤪

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SubarcticFarmer@reddit

It's more likely to down a light airplane than kill the parachutist, although it's quite bad for both. No way it was even remotely intentional.

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Radiant-Month-1168@reddit

Has to he intentionally. He easily would have seen that bright, large parachute. He probably was trying to a close flyby like an idiot for his customers. Pilot needs to lose his license forever.

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yourlocalFSDO@reddit

I can tell you’ve never flown an airplane

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-RickyRoo8074@reddit

If the parasail got caught up in the Cessnas prop, it would be a different story right now!

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Chocolatecake420@reddit

How? You see an airplane in a video for less than a half second, what intent have you filled in in your mind?

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deiprep@reddit

Easily one of the stupidest comments I’ve seen for a while

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euph_22@reddit

Probably will need to switch to brown jump suits after that.

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keep_it_irie@reddit

I would have shat bricks

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razareddit@reddit

Unbelievable!

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Ok_Muffin_925@reddit

Wonder why she didn't cut away before deploying her reserve. I understand she is paragliding but still, a reserve works best when you cut away. This happened to me jumping years ago. I became entangled in another jumper's suspension lines when jumping from 1,000 feet. When he herd me call out to him, he unfortunately shook me loose. I worked free by about 500 feet AGL and deployed my reserve but did not cut away because I felt too low. Neither my main nor my reserve ever fully opened. They sent the ambulance out to the DZ to pick up my remains. I was fine though. Softest landing ever. Much to everyone's surprise as it looekd like I burned in fast to them.

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Raulboy@reddit

I couldn’t see that white parachute the first three times I watched it… I thought it was a cloud haha

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No_Size9475@reddit

Was that supposed to be a rectangular steerable chute and just got jacked with the ropes from the parasail?

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_GTAce@reddit

WTF? HOW!? Like seriously, was the pilot trying something "cool"?

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1320Fastback@reddit

Convince me that low pass was not intentional.

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cards-and-smoke@reddit

Cessna pilot... "nailed it! Woop woop woop."

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praguer56@reddit

So why not cut away the main parachute and an use the emergency chute?

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Lavishness_Classic@reddit

So many real dumb hobbies. This has got to be in the top five.

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grasib@reddit

Surprisingly, this is less risky than recreational scuba diving (1.4 compared to 1.8 deaths per 100'000).

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LCKLCKLCK@reddit

This is insane wtf

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Desperate-Crew-2952@reddit

Paraglider directly and front and below the nose/enging cowling. It’s a big blind spot for Cessnas like that one. Obviously didn’t see them. Amazing everyone is ok.

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FilecoinLurker@reddit

Hello 911 I've been hit by an airplane.

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FragrantExcitement@reddit

Underwear - there were no survivors

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bostonkiter@reddit

No transponder…

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No_decision321@reddit

A few feet higher would've been a completely different story

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olddoglearnsnewtrick@reddit

Anyone able to make out the plane ‘number’ In one frame I see an initial OE-KAF ?

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olddoglearnsnewtrick@reddit

Ooops sorry did not see you had it already.

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ManuC153@reddit

I only see one parachute, the squared one

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That-Makes-Sense@reddit

Don't text and fly.

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madmax7774@reddit

Wow. The extreme duality of the Luck involved in this is remarkable. How unlucky do you have to be to get hit in the first place, and then how lucky do you have to be to survive that rigging nightmare, and be able to land without major trauma from the impact. Just....Wow. Also, if that Cessna pilot can be tracked down, the pilot needs a reminder about situational awareness. I have a hard time believing that he couldn't have seen that big giant colorful wing from his cockpit window. He must have been heads-down looking at instruments or a display or something.

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Nok1a_@reddit

damn that was scary dont know who to blame, but I would thought if you are the paraglider, from my ignorance, to get rid of that "bag" you are in and them deploy the second parachute, cos trying to do all of that while you are inside a sleeping bag does not seem feasible at all

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kaiservonrisk@reddit

“Huh. I wonder what that enormous bright pink thing is in front of me. Must be nothing.”

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Requiem_Xen@reddit

Epitome of wrong place wrong time.