Evacuation zone expands to 79,000 California residents as temperature rises inside tank containing toxic chemical
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The quote that sticks out to me is “This is going to happen unless some brilliant guy behind me here figures out how we can mitigate this incident,”
The number of residents evacuated in Orange County, California, doubled to approximately 79,000 as emergency crews work nonstop to prevent an overheating tank filled with a toxic chemical from leaking or triggering what officials warn could be a catastrophic explosion
Authorities have spent the past two days trying to prevent the tank, which is full of the chemical methyl methacrylate, from exploding after it began to overheat.
Evacuation orders were initially issued to those in the 9-square-mile area around the facility involved, but the evacuation zone was expanded after experts evaluated the volatile situation.
The chemical, also known as MMA, is used to manufacture plastics and can potentially cause respiratory issues if humans are exposed, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency in Orange County on Saturday as the state ramps up its response to the hazardous chemical incident, including expanding shelter availability for evacuated residents.
Officials had been using drones to measure the temperature of the tank and had initially believed the tank was cooling off, but Orange County Fire Authority Division Chief and Unified Incident Commander Craig Covey said on Saturday they learned that’s not the case.
“Unfortunately, I do have to report that the temperature was 90 degrees. Yesterday morning it was 77 degrees when we backed out. It’s been averaging about a degree an hour increasing, so that’s the bad news,” Covey said.
The discovery was made after emergency crews were put “in harm’s way” Friday night in an attempt to neutralize a second tank at the facility, Covey said.
Orange County Fire Authority Captain Steve Concialdi told CNN on Saturday crews are racing to stabilize the compromised tank by cooling and neutralizing the chemical in hopes it will solidify from the outside inward — a process he compared to an ice cube freezing.
“It basically gets hard from the outside first, and inside there is still liquid in there until it completely ices over, and that’s what we’re hoping will happen,” Concialdi said, but warned the process may not succeed.
“A couple things could happen. … The tank could crack and start spilling out all that 7,000 gallons of chemical, or there could be a catastrophic explosion and the other two tanks would be affected as well,” the fire captain said.
“If it starts failing, we have some containment areas, secondary containment, diking and damming with sand that will be set up, or have already been set up,” Concialdi added.
The fire captain said officials are “unsure” about the precise temperature at which the tank could ignite or explode.
“Letting this thing just fail and blow up is unacceptable to us. Our goal is to find something and not allow that happen, not to let it damage our community, not let it damage our environment. That’s unacceptable,” Covey said.
Shelters fill as evacuation zone remains in effect
On Friday, police made a reverse 911 call to tell people to evacuate and posted on social media about the evacuations, Garden Grove Police Chief Amir El-Farra said. About 15% of people — or about 6,000 residents — from the evacuation area had refused to leave, he said.
Thirteen schools and two facilities within the Garden Grove Unified School District were also evacuated Friday morning.
The Red Cross currently has three evacuation shelters – two in Fountain Valley and La Palma are at capacity. The Red Cross is referring people to the shelter in Huntington Beach and is working on standing up additional facilities, a Red Cross spokesperson told CNN on Saturday. A fourth evacuation shelter at a high school in Anaheim is also open for displaced residents and is being managed by another organization.
Discounted rates at nearby hotels over the holiday weekend were also being offered.
Additionally, a voting center in Garden Grove along with a number of ballot boxes would be closed Saturday, the Orange County Registrar of Voters announced Friday. Those displaced by the evacuation were encouraged to use any of the 38 other voting centers in the county to cast their ballot ahead of the June 2 primary election.
The industrial site where the tank is located is about 5 miles from Disneyland and about 4 miles from Knott’s Berry Farm. Both parks told CNN they are actively monitoring the situation and are focused on guests’ and employees’ well-being and safety. The parks, which are both outside the evacuation zone, remain open and operational.
MMA is heavier than air, Covey said at a news conference Friday, and the air should be safe outside of the evacuation zone, Orange County Health Officer Dr. Regina Chinsio-Kwong said in a later update.
“This is going to happen unless some brilliant guy behind me here figures out how we can mitigate this incident,” Covey said as he emphasized the need to evacuate. “This thing is going to fail.”
Exposure to MMA can cause major respiratory issues, including “significant irritation” to the lungs and nasal passages, as well as dizziness and nausea, Chinsio-Kwong said. There are not many documented cases of human interaction, so it is unpredictable what the effects of a potential explosion could be on the population, she said, encouraging people to stay out of the evacuation zone for that reason.
“We’re going into unique times and we have limited information,” Chinsio-Kwong said.
The chemical, which is not currently detected in the air, can produce a fruit-like scent, although smelling it doesn’t mean you’ve gotten enough exposure to have symptoms, she said in another update.
The EPA is leading air monitoring efforts as part of the unified command team, while the Orange County Health Care Agency is leading public health response, the South Coast Air Quality Management District told CNN.
Authorities initially responded to a vapor release from the tank containing MMA at the Garden Grove facility on Thursday, Orange County Fire Authority Interim Fire Chief TJ McGovern said Friday. One of the three tanks at the site had increased in temperature and activated a relief valve and overhead sprinklers to try to cool the tank, he said. The other two tanks have either been neutralized with a chemical agent or aren’t at risk.
Evacuation orders were issued for the area Thursday, but they were lifted that night after the vapor conditions improved, McGovern said. As crews tried to remove and contain the product from the one tank, they realized the tank had a damaged valve so the chemical couldn’t be removed, which caused local authorities to reinstate the evacuation orders, he said.
McGovern emphasized there was no vapor coming out of the tank as of Friday, and authorities are continuing to monitor the air quality.
The manufacturer’s response team had tried everything they could but couldn’t mitigate the crisis, Covey said Friday. The only two options given to authorities were either the tank would crack and leak the 7,000 gallons of MMA into the surrounding parking lot, or the container would explode, he said.
GKN Aerospace Transparency on Saturday said the situation “remains ongoing.”
“We are fully focused on working with emergency services, specialized hazardous material teams and the relevant authorities to ensure the safety of the local community, our employees and everyone else involved,” the company said. “We sincerely apologize for the significant disruption to the many local residents and businesses who have had to be evacuated. We are working tirelessly with all relevant experts to resolve this situation as safely as possible and in a timely manner and are deeply grateful for the continued skill and dedication of the Orange County emergency services.”
Orange County Fire Authority officials are asking the public to refrain from calling “to offer suggestions” so emergency personnel can continue to keep communication lines focused on incident operations. “Please know that subject matter experts are working around the clock to mitigate the emergency safely and effectively,” the agency said.
Authorities warned there were many factors that could contribute to the tank’s demise, which is why they expanded the evacuation orders to such a large area.
“People need to get out of their houses and get into a safe space because when this thing goes, depending on the wind direction it’s going, we cannot control the weather,” Covey said.
“This is highly volatile, it’s highly toxic and it’s highly flammable,” Covey said.
Far_Out_6and_2@reddit
Why is the tank overheating
trewdgrsg@reddit
It’s polymerising with itself to form pmma, the reaction is exothermic so generates a lot of heat. The hotter it gets, the faster it reacts. Usually monomers like MMA are stored with inhibitor to prevent this from happening. I guess that wasn’t the case here?
Theargonant@reddit
I've always been under the impression that you can just throw radical scavengers at these sorts of things to get them under control. Maybe the overpressure is preventing charging or there's a mixing issue or something. Hopefully they are able to get enough cooling on it.
trewdgrsg@reddit
If it’s polymerising in the tank, there’s a good chance the valves are also stuck closed and full of solid polymer so throwing in a load of short stop might not be an option? Idk how these things work at this scale, I work on gram scale with polymers not 27,000 litres haha.
wh4teversclever@reddit
That’s exactly what happened per NY Times article “The chemical inside the tank, methyl methacrylate, used to make plastics, has a low boiling point so it can easily overheat and turn to gas. Firefighters worked to cool the tank down by constantly shooting water at its exterior. That allowed GKN Aerospace’s response team to get close enough to the tank to inject a neutralizing agent into the tank in an attempt to reduce the chemical’s volatility.
But when the team arrived, they found the tank’s valves were gummed up, making the interior inaccessible, said Craig Covey, an incident commander with the Orange County Fire Authority.”
TheBlacktom@reddit
Can they maybe drill in? If that would cause contaminate everything then maybe some kind of self drilling pipe if such a thing exists? So basically they would drill a pipe that already has a closed valve and they can connect anything they want on the other side.
Embarrassed-Clue183@reddit
I'd imagine that would create a new weak point for pressure to release through unless they had some kind of special pressurized drill/ injector rig.
Crouton_Sharp_Major@reddit
Ever shake up a two liter of cola and then stab it?
masteroffeels@reddit
I 100% think the same
Eric_Durden@reddit
My thought when reading you're explanation...
https://i.redd.it/aog7mvqzqy2h1.gif
LastXmasIGaveYouHSV@reddit
All that methyl acrylate might make the whole planet get stuck in its current position.
FraggleRockYaFaceOff@reddit
Are the radical scavengers a crust punk band or something?
TootTootUSA@reddit
...kind of.
ProperOperation@reddit
There’s an account on Instagram that posts this video every day. I never know when is going to pop up and give me a fun little radioactive dance party.
Theargonant@reddit
They got kinda big in the UK, but they never really crossed over.
hayfero@reddit
So it this the same reaction when I use two part epoxy
uselessandexpensive@reddit
I believe polymerizing is what causes oily rags to ignite also.
agent_flounder@reddit
That's exactly it. At least, it is the case for Boiled Linseed Oil rags.
Also, don't spill a large quantity of cyanoacrylate and attempt to wipe it up with a facial tissue.
Tradtrade@reddit
The valves to add inhibitor were broken/already blocked with reacted product when they tried to stop the reaction. Got that from a guy on TikTok so truth may vary
IncreaseIll2841@reddit
I read that they tried to inject inhibitor but the actual plumbing of the port for that is fouled and theres no backup. Thus, the current situation.
Additional-Run1610@reddit
Rite !!
mwpdx86@reddit
I'm guessing something along the lines of "wealthy person didn't wanna spend a tiny tiny percentage of their wealth on prevention measures to protect the poors who actually created that wealth" but I could be wrong.
Millibona@reddit
Mate it's so fucking annoying. In every single thread those bullshit answers get upvoted to the top instead of actual answers.
mwpdx86@reddit
In my defense, I feel like this is closer to the actual answer. Because "thermal runaway from a reaction happening inside the tank" also isn't the answer, otherwise that would happen every time one of these tanks existed. Obviously there are some safety measures that are usually in place to prevent this from happening. Usually those safety measures cut into profits in some way (slowing production, maintenance/labor costs/etc). Because of this, companies frequently skirt these requirements, and sometimes that ends up killing/poisoning a bunch of (usually) poor people. Almost never the people who make the conscious decision to put those people in harms way so that they can save some money though.
Millibona@reddit
But you have absolutely no idea if this is the case here.
Do you know the technique of asking "why" until you get to the root cause while analyzing an accident? We do this in the place I work, too. If someone started their analysis with "because billionaires", I'd make sure they never ever sit in one of those meetings again. It's intellectually lazy.
kingofthesofas@reddit
Almost certainly this is the culprit. Or something like there was a regulation to prevent this but the government agency responsible was gutted by doge. Or after it was bought out by private equity safety standards plummeted. Like always one of those.
14InTheDorsalPeen@reddit
How did DOGE gut the CA regulatory bodies that were supposed to be in charge of this and have the strictest standards in the country?
kingofthesofas@reddit
The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has significantly scaled back worker safety operations by shuttering 11 OSHA area offices and laying off approximately 85-90% of the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) workforce
Who knows if it is directly impacting of this incident but it probably will be in the future. After all there was a DIRECT link between the Trump admins de regulation of train safety regulations and several large scale train accidents. Sometimes regulations are written in blood and then when they are removed (or the people enforcing them are fired by morons) people die. That may or may not be the case here but it is on the list of plausible outcomes because it happens so often.
14InTheDorsalPeen@reddit
Cool, so again show me where the federal cuts impacted the CA state regulators who have more strict standards than the federal regulators.
Or do you not understand the difference between federal and state? Or are you a bot?
kingofthesofas@reddit
I don't think you actually read what I wrote as it answers your question. I am sorry to burst your bubble that your dear leader might have done something dumb but sorry welcome to reality.
14InTheDorsalPeen@reddit
State agencies are not contingent on federal agencies other than having to adopt at minimum what meets federal law, however the salaries, state standards, etc of the state regulators and agencies are all paid by state taxes and people getting fired at the federal level has minimal impact on what state agencies do.
kingofthesofas@reddit
See previous response
LastXmasIGaveYouHSV@reddit
Do not worry! I'm pretty sure the current administration will somehow put the blame on the Governor.
Chairbear1972@reddit
Why would Joe Biden don't his this?? /s
capron@reddit
They don't need logic so the "somehow" isn't needed. They just place blame and let their cult and the foreign interference bots push the narrative.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
1000%. Just like he blamed Newson for not raking the forests.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
Like cutting corners to have bigger profit margins.
Puzzleheaded-Ad7606@reddit
~~Bribes~~ Lobbying and supporting candidates that will get rid of regulations is also very likely a factor.
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
You could just say that you don't know.
mwpdx86@reddit
You're saying it's not gonna come out that a person who already has a bunch of money deliberately circumvented some safety measures so they could make a little more money?
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wes_wyhunnan@reddit
Whoa buddy, just because that’s been the over reaching root cause of almost every industrial accident in human history doesn’t mean it applies here.
JackONhs@reddit
Yeah, gotta wait a year for the investigation results to confirm it like they always do. Till then it 'could' be anything.
Drycabin1@reddit
A year for them to get their stories straight
congeal@reddit
And to get legislation to protect them from lawsuits
dljones010@reddit
Don't forget the $10,000 fine for the multi-billion dollar company.
mulligrubs@reddit
Well, that won't stand. Let's tie this up in litigation for the next twenty years.
Katefreak@reddit
Yeah, why would you jump to that first, when it's been the reason almost every single other time? Settle the fuck down, and get it together.
xenokilla@reddit
not the first time either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
https://www.ocregister.com/2026/05/23/gkn-aerospace-paid-nearly-1-million-to-settle-2021-environmental-violations/
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
I'm sure the wealthy CEO'S and executives don't live anywhere near what could be the explosive site.
I_AM_FERROUS_MAN@reddit
Bingo! And to more directly answer the chemistry question, a thermal runaway.
Many chemical reactions are more vigorous the warmer they are. And many are also exothermic and thus produce their own heat to add to the system. When those combine with inadequate cooling, you get a big bomb.
Zephyr_Dragon49@reddit
Methyl methacrylate is what's in the tank. At higher temperatures it will self react into a polymer which is exothermic. And since it heats itself up this causes it to polymerize more. It's undergoing thermal runaway and that's why they're hosing it with water but I guess it's not working anymore
BeneficialTrash6@reddit
How dangerous is this stuff? Is exposure to it long-term dangerous, like increasing cancer risk? Or is it just a short term risk of some reaction or burn from it?
agent_flounder@reddit
Given how well known this chemical is and how long it's been in use I imagine there is some info on this. Wikipedia lists skin, eye, and nasal irritation and not much else.
I found this fact sheet which lists a lot more
https://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1277.pdf
Here's one from the EPA
https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2016-09/documents/methyl-methacrylate.pdf
Zephyr_Dragon49@reddit
There's always risk with hazmat and I just assume everything is bad. If it wasn't, it whouldnt be hazardous and whouldn't illicit a response like this
I think acrylates are explicitly mentioned on a union poster in my lab. We're at least a 5x increased risk for breast cancer due to frequent handling of various types of carcinogens and mutagens
DuckyDoodleDandy@reddit
Nobody knows for sure.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
I really don't think they know but you can tell they are scared.
tinycole2971@reddit
Yes.
AirborneGeek@reddit
WELL THAT'S FUN
Zephyr_Dragon49@reddit
It's useful when it's controlled. This company is an aerospace manufacturer and acrylates are used in strong windows like for aircraft. Lack of oxygen breaks the inhibitors in the juice allowing for runaway and exposure to oxygen allows explosive peroxides to form slowly. Some way some how the air mix in this tank went awry and now we have this ✨ This isn't my company nor specialty so I have no clue what they did. For hazmat, we just deal with spent or spoiled mystery juices that are still dangerous but we have so much more leeway with our quality margins because we don't need high purity stuff for making products, we just need to test blend it to find a good tank to throw it in where it'll behave while it waits in line to go into the incinerator.
People are quick to blame companies cutting corners but I work with WAY TOO MANY dumbfucks who don't respect the hazmat and will cut corners on their own if they think it personally benefits them like saving time so they can go on break.
agent_flounder@reddit
This MMA stuff is fascinating. You mentioned wjndows; it is used to make Plexiglass aka clear acrylic. Also used to make stuff for paint curing (I think?), modifier for PVC, used in bone cement (medical thing, I have no clue).
Scary to think our safety rests in the hands of way too many totally careless dumbasses in industry. Hopefully a good company would weed those folks out somehow.
HommeMusical@reddit
And these people are absolutely right. Safety starts at the top.
It is the responsibility of management, the people who make the big bucks, to make sure that "the dumbfucks respect the hazmat".
americend@reddit
Still the company's fault. The 40 hour week is optional. If people worked less they would have far less incentive to cut corners. It always goes back to the wage and private property, no matter how much we want to deny it.
Handle_Acrobatic@reddit
Well to add, the polymerization has likely fouled the PRV, so it’s essentially a closed container until pressure reaches the tanks Max working pressure.
99_percent_read_only@reddit
Can I ask the stupid question as to why they don’t drain it into sand or some type of neutralizing agent? (Source: I am an idiot)
Zephyr_Dragon49@reddit
Explosive risk. In it's monomer state, it'll rapidly evaporate & become a toxic inhalation hazard that is liable to spread until it hit a spark or heat source somewhere and ignite the entire cloud like gasoline vapors do. Even if it didn't, prolonged exposure to oxygen forms unstable peroxides that are also explosive on their own.
rhysolandrium@reddit
Oh holy lord. I think I'm going to brush up on my WHMIS now...
ILiekBook@reddit
So they can't do anything because it will blow up... And it's going to blow up regardless?
Can they like build a cage around it of like metal and maybe concrete to eat the worst of the shockwave/pollutants?
Bulky-Captain-3508@reddit
Question for you then:
Is it going to polymerization from the outside in? Creating an insulating layer to make cooling less effective? Will it also cause a stronger container wall so if it does ignite it will produce a more concussive Shockwave?
Zephyr_Dragon49@reddit
That's an impossible task from my house across the country. There's sooo many variables with hazmat reactions from wind, weather, viscosity, atmosphere, tank integrity, pressure, purity, inhibitor useage
Downtown_Statement87@reddit
What do you think is most likely to happen with this situation?
Leopold_Porkstacker@reddit
Boom.
Seriously, it’s a runaway exothermic reaction.
Far_Out_6and_2@reddit
Thx gonna be a big boom i think but hope not
RaveNdN@reddit
I’m curious what mitigation is on site and what caused it to fail. On top of why aren’t industrial chillers set to help lessen the reaction? Will be interesting to see the after action reports.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
They are using some type of coolant on the outside of the tank and they hope it cools the inside down.
omg_drd4_bbq@reddit
It's not supposed to react in the storage tank. It reacts in polymerization chambers which do have industrial temperature control. Something (we dont know yet) caused autopolymerization to kick off in the tank, which is exothermic.
somethingyouneek@reddit
Zephyr Dragons mops and glows
Alfonze423@reddit
The chemical inside has started reacting with something, probably water that got into the tank. The reaction is exothermic; it produces heat. The reaction happens more easily at higher temperatures. As the chemical sits in there, doing its reaction, the speed of reaction increases because of the heat being generated, which generates more heat, and so on. The fire department is busy drenching the storage tank to keep it cool for now. When it finally breeches, though, it's gonna be big.
fruderduck@reddit
Dumb question I guess, but is there no way that dry ice can be used?
Alfonze423@reddit
No clue. It might be a case where nobody wants to have someone get close enough to the tank to actually use something like that, whereas a fire hose can be used from a fair distance away.
Far_Out_6and_2@reddit
Definitely
KiaRioGrl@reddit
Bigger than the distance those firefighters have to get to put hoses on it? Those poor brave people.
Theargonant@reddit
The tank seems to have Methyl methacrylate, which can, if not properly inhibited, can react with itself to form a polymer. It's very exothermic, and the reaction will speed up as it gets hotter, eventually leading to a a thermal runaway i.e. explosion.
AlkalineHound@reddit
At this point, I'd guess it's polymerizing, which leads to heat, which leads to faster polymerization. My previous job had a styrene tank we had to check inhibitor levels so this didn't happen.
DoorNo5809@reddit
A chemical reaction is occurring inside the container. I dont know the details but it's probably doing what it's supposed to do when used to make plastic. It's just doing that in a container where it shouldn't be doing that.
jujutsu-die-sen@reddit
This is what I actually want to know. What happened?
SquirrelyMcNutz@reddit
It heard the rumor/meme about a Megan Fox/Sydeney Sweeney remake of Brokeback Mountain.
Strakiz@reddit
There should be a limit to the number of unhappy incidents, tragedies and catastrophies which can happen during a year.
50million@reddit
Well when you take away organizations (or money away from them) such as the EPA or oversight companies, catastrophies will happen.
TwoRevolutionary2868@reddit
The EPA is nothing more than a repository of information and so-called facts put together of research produced by universities funded by companies seeking a favorable outcome under the threat of never providing any more money ever again.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
I agree. I hate this timeline.
Hot_Poetry_6475@reddit
same
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
So does anyone have questions about why full face respirators are mandatory now?
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
Was just wondering what filter you’d need for something like this. I’m a long distance from there and wouldn’t need one for this but it got me wondering.
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
The correct 3M filter for methyl methacrylate (MMA) is an Organic Vapor (OV) cartridge, ideally combined with a P100 particulate filter.
https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/40744O/reusable-resp-cartridge-and-filter-selection-poster-english.pdf
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
Very cool of you! Thank you!
rhysolandrium@reddit
Helpful. Thanks - picking up cartridges tomorrow.
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
You will be ahead of most people.
In spite of the law of three, few people have full face respirators let alone filters.
Severe_Network_4492@reddit
My parents and siblings live right fucking there bro I’m so stressed
Afb426@reddit
Oh no, I’m so so sorry. Are they making a plan to get out?
Severe_Network_4492@reddit
I believe so, we have family in apple valley so they might take a quick lil vacay and let my uncle pamper them for a week.
My dad is just a very involved pillar of the community so he doesn’t know what to do exactly
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
Hell, even if the plant doesn't blow up, that place wouldn't be safe to live after the fact. It either goes up in the future, or they deal with higher chances of cancer and other sicknesses from now on.
irrfin@reddit
I’m a chemist/chemistry educator. This situation is not getting the coverage it should. If the tank ruptures when the contents are at near the boiling point (or above the BP at normal pressures), we are looking at a BLEVE-like explosion event. The remaining liquid could rapidly change to gas on top of it being flammable. There would be an initial shock wave event that could destroy buildings and infrastructure in a wide radius. Disneyland is 5 miles away. There could be destruction to the park.
The 2nd explosion would be from the flammable nature of the material. It could make a large fireball that could create a 2nd level destruction event.
The 3rd issue is the distribution of the methyl methacrylate that isn’t polymerized or burned. The gases could be projected into the atmosphere and then settle to the ground since the gas density is higher than air. In this scenario, the gases could make pockets in low lying areas or areas like canyons where the gases could continue to polymerize and start fires. Or asphyxiate if it complete displaces air/oxygen.
The 4th level is the hazmat safety issues. The chemical could cause all sorts of nasty problems (lungs, eyes, organ damage). Likely the authorities will say we are only at risk within a certain radius of the initial explosion, but trace exposure will happen and in those cases it’s hard to associate health issues caused by the chemicals when the exposure is lower than detectable thresholds. The authorities will be motivated to minimize public panic and say that there’s no risk beyond a certain radius. People within that radius will be screwed.
When the battery fire happened in Moss Landing near Santa Cruz close to where I live. I was really disappointed with the scientific response by our government (CA, county, Fed). The only reason we knew that there was contamination beyond what the government was saying is because San Jose State university has been studying that area for over two decades. I still believe that some of the agricultural products made in that area should not have been distributed nationally. But because the population is low scientific literacy they take advantage of that.
If you live in the area near the tank, you should take a long vacation after grabbing everything you can from your home.
hera-fawcett@reddit
so, uh, how long is it supposed to linger after it explodes? should surrounding areas expect to start seeing respiratory issues, water issues, soil issues, etc?
wh4teversclever@reddit
I mean if it does explode there is pretty much immediate health consequences. At high levels it will cause pretty extreme skin irritation and respiratory problems. However, it is apparently a quite heavy vapor so shouldn’t travel far unless there’s really strong winds I think. I think the bigger concern was if it exploded, there were additional chemicals housed near by that would then also explode.
I live not several miles away from the evac area so I’ve been trying to follow the updates. It seems leaking will be the likely scenario (which is better than the prognosis mid day yesterday where they were pretty sure it was going to explode.) I really don’t know long term effects of a leakage though. Definitely not great, that’s for sure.
irrfin@reddit
Is the tank ruptures in a phase change level explosion (the tank is pressurized) the gas could be blow up into the sky and the settle all over the southern CA area. Since it’s heavier than air it could settle and fill low lying areas like canyons and possibly continue polymerization and cause fires.
If this phase change event happens it will create a shock wave that will be felt in a wide radius. Disneyland should be shut down but they wont until they need to; probably won’t unless forced to or after the fact. The park will be impacted hy the shock wave. It will likely cause destructive damage to the park.
(Chemist and chemical educator; I’m not a chemical engineer nor a chemical disaster expert; but what i am reading about the chemistry and hazmat safety of this chemical suggests to me that this is much bigger deal than what the local residents are being told. The area will be completely contaminated).
hera-fawcett@reddit
best of luck to u and urs in the area!
what an absolutely frightening situation to be in
wh4teversclever@reddit
Yeah. I can’t imagine living in Garden Grove right now, I’m still a few miles away. Being told your home is in a blast zone is terrifying. I truly hope they continue to slow this thing down until the least horrifying scenario plays out.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
That would be nice for the residences know.
hera-fawcett@reddit
and if disneyland and knotts are only like 5km away too...
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
They aren't even evacuating. Can't lose those tourism dollars.
H2OMGosh@reddit
Seriously I was there yesterday when I learned about the situation, and the people that I was with were like “oh I’m sure if we were in any danger, they would let us know right away.” And I wondered what it felt like to trust corporations that much. Though I felt a little better when I thought how much they want to avoid lawsuits.
I can’t imagine evacuating two parks of 75-100K people total. It takes thirty minutes to leave the park, ride the tram, and get to get to your car on a normal day.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
Crazy that people are so blase about it. Stay safe.
grownup789@reddit
Yeah I was confused by “the evacuation zone includes a 9-square-mile area around the aerospace facility” but Disney being 5 miles away and not evacuating
hera-fawcett@reddit
we live in hell.
Hot_Poetry_6475@reddit
Yeah I really hate this timeline.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
Yep.
KiaRioGrl@reddit
What direction is the wind currently blowing in?
Theargonant@reddit
Most of the liquid will likely stay in containment I would imagine, but the fumes would likely linger for days/weeks.
No_Grocery_9280@reddit
So we have ticking time bombs sitting in many of our cities? Cool.
Also, really cool that this chemical then goes into plastics which we just use in our everyday lives. I’m so over plastic at this point.
WeekendQuant@reddit
Glass is pretty attractive. Just sand and shit.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
I'm not sure if remember the explosion in the town of West , it's in Texas? Flattened half the town because of a fertilizer facility that stored chemicals that shouldn't be stored together. Shouldn't have been given the go-ahead to build so close to residential neighborhoods. Texas hates regulations and this plant had only been inspected 10 years prior
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
No they got slapped with 1 million in fines from 2021 so they were inspected at least that often
bristlybits@reddit
if you fine them a million for doing a thing that saved them ten million
they're ok with that and will do it again
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
If you don't make the fines really hurt they will look at it as a cost of doing business.
The EPA has proved this again and again and again.
bristlybits@reddit
"a fine means it's legal if you're rich"
DeadlyYellow@reddit
Have a friend that works at a plant with one of these doomsday silos. It's just outside Chicago along the commuter corridor.
HarryBallsanya420@reddit
Are there any way to have any company that has dangerous chemicals on site to have them near an evac system that sucks it all back in? Is having a system to suck this shit all back in even possible to have in place?
bristlybits@reddit
this company needs to be paying for every bit of the cost of this. on every level.
instead of considering it all "externalities"
mcoca@reddit
The state will give the company a bailout and the ceo will buy another senator, everyone living their dies of cancer with no reco
MuscaMurum@reddit
Trump's EPA will declare MMA an essential nutrient to avoid superfund money.
IceColdMilkshakeSalt@reddit
As someone about forty minutes away from the East Palestine train derailment, I am sending well-wishes to those in the area. Our town is now wracked with cancer
otterfeets@reddit
Already?? I didn’t think it happened that quickly.
IceColdMilkshakeSalt@reddit
I’m not exaggerating when i say that i know about fifteen people personally that have gotten cancer in the last few years. I know it’s a small sample size but i can’t imagine the statistics bearing out any better news.
I will say we are close to the Shell cracker plant in Monaca PA as well, which has received multiple fines for emissions violations. So, hard to pinpoint what is killing us
bellringer16@reddit
They are killing that river, if they haven’t already.
I knew someone that had a job that was sorta the “baby sitter” for that company for a lack of better word.
This person told me that they got busted dumping trucks worth of some sort of chemical/liquid into the river. Only God knows how many times and other bone headed shenanigans that shit stain of a chemical did.
rhysolandrium@reddit
......wow. So...safe to assume nearly everyone does this.
bellringer16@reddit
Yeah. I don’t trust any company with doing right by the environment. From small to large I’ve seen some shitty behavior. While I will always have love for that area of the Country,a lot of people have a “who cares, oh well” mentality baked into them. That’s been reinforced for generations.
What’s crazy is, that river system was way worse decades ago. I’m not much of a betting man but I don’t think the odds would be too bad that the river system is on a down swing. You just don’t see the work being put into it for the amount it’s used commercially.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
That's so sad. I hope everyone is compensated. Or a class action suit
Far_Out_6and_2@reddit
Agreed, this isn’t over yet
Hesitation-Marx@reddit
Our bodies are constantly killing damaged cells that aren’t behaving as they’re supposed to. If one of those cells evades detection or destruction…. It takes very little for it to become cancer.
constantchaosclay@reddit
That was almost three years ago. So given the proximity and toxicity, I think it might be about expected but idk.
Queefer___Sutherland@reddit
It doesn't
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
That was awful. Are they still doing cleanup?
IceColdMilkshakeSalt@reddit
Cleanup is complete per the EPA’s website
FZbb92@reddit
Per Lee Zeldin’s lame ass leadership
BeneficialTrash6@reddit
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Significant_Donut967@reddit
Fellow youngstown area resident?
IceColdMilkshakeSalt@reddit
Close - western PA
Significant_Donut967@reddit
Ah, fellow Lawrence County native?
Just-Low-8930@reddit
TBF people in that area have been more prone to get cancer prior to the train incident. I'm also from the general vicinity originally. There's A LOT of potential contributing factors not to mention the standard diet around there is pure trash.
chica771@reddit
Jfc
Kersplosioner@reddit
OP....Please tldr. I've been drinking. 😘
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
A plant near a residential area is storing chemicals that are about to explode. The temperature inside the tank are to high and no one knows what to do about it. They have evacuated 75,000 residents.
fruderduck@reddit
Dumb question - is there no way that dry ice can be used?
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
They were talking about using a wrap that cools from the outside but come don't know if done yet
Hot_Poetry_6475@reddit
Have they thought about the "Junk shot" option? 😉
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
What is that?
WS3000@reddit
"Officials had been using drones to measure the temperature of the tank and had initially believed the tank was cooling off. But Orange County Fire Authority Division Chief and Unified Incident Commander Craig Covey said on Saturday the temperature has risen to 90 degrees."
This seems to have been largely overlooked by the comments. Someone screwed up.
50million@reddit
https://www.latimes.com/california/live/garden-grove-gas-leak-live-evacuation-maps-closures-and-updates
Increasing about a degree per hour.
50million@reddit
4 out of the 5 safe spaces are full too
http://ggcity.org/emergency
gratefulkittiesilove@reddit
I hope people are taking their animals with them . That doesn’t sound like a good way to go.
Sunsetseeker007@reddit
Oh boy, I can't imagine how many people left their animals behind, you know their are several
stopusingyallweirdo@reddit
Try several hundreds to thousands.
Sunsetseeker007@reddit
Yea, with that many evacuated, I don't doubt it unfortunately
_MrBalls_@reddit
A reminder, if you commute in California to have a gas mask and a waterproof suit in case you get stuck in the SIGALERT if a tanker on the freeway fails and your downwind of the smoke.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
If you get stuck on the 401 your fucked.
AliceCode@reddit
How big would the boom be if things thing went up?
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
Pretty damn big
Excellent_Revenue235@reddit
“We’re going into unique times and we have limited information,” Chinsio-Kwong said.
This really resonates with everything
rhysolandrium@reddit
2026 -
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
Yeah I think that’s my new motto from today going forward.
731te7j1nv@reddit
I’m so jaded and expect nothing is real anymore.
This feels like a manufactured crisis that displaced people and affected voting.
I expect they’ll figure it out and everything will return to normal. Months from now, conspiracy theorists will put together clues of a situation happening in tandem where no one knew about it because the big crisis.
chica771@reddit
Is there voting today?
wh4teversclever@reddit
Early voting, but Election Day itself is still ten days away.
chica771@reddit
Omg, Do you think?
wh4teversclever@reddit
Oh sorry didn’t realize your question was rhetorical since the article did mention elections and we have primaries in a week and half here haha
chica771@reddit
It wasn't rhetorical...
PoulanWeedEaterBowl@reddit
My mind immediately jumps to sabotage. But by whom and to what end?
techtornado@reddit
A BLVE is nothing to trifle with
I’ve also seen one too many CSB videos involving Methyl Acrylate
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
I'll have to look those up
omg_drd4_bbq@reddit
oh man you are in for a treat. RIP anything productive you were trying to do https://youtube.com/@uscsb
grigorithecat@reddit
Literally one of my favorite YouTube channels
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
Thanks!
theholyraptor@reddit
or BLEVE
techtornado@reddit
That's what I was aiming for
FelineOphelia@reddit
Imagine refusing to leave
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
6000 people.
No_Grocery_9280@reddit
Darwinian of them.
Mouse0022@reddit
what about those stuck to medical devices? some people just can't leave.
orphicsyndicate@reddit
People in poverty can't afford to move.
Katefreak@reddit
I would wager to say that majority of those "refusing" are unable to. They always leave that part out when speaking about mandatory evacuations. Disability, transportation, medical needs, finances, gridlock traffic, shelter capacity, conflicting information, and many more things can contribute to not following emergency evacuations.
SnooKiwis2161@reddit
Yes, this. This also applied to many in Hurricane Katrina. That is when I learned about this.
Katefreak@reddit
My experience with emergency evacs is hurricane related, so I always knew there was more to THAT than the average American who didn't live in an area frequented by hurricanes.
New Orleans was a failure of the local population by the entire government. Absolutely shameful.
spicydingus@reddit
This sent me “Stanton resident Van Ly described the heavy traffic he, his wife and their two hairless cats faced trying to evacuate on Friday.”
aide_rylott@reddit
Have they tried putting this container in a bigger container?
F1ghtmast3r@reddit
Some CEO or engineer somewhere “it’s not a problem for me. I’ll be retired by then leave it for the next generation.”
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
Engineers get blamed for a lot of stuff because the manufacturer decides to tweak their design for a cheaper option.
patikoija@reddit
CEO absolves responsibility to buy boat. Engineer absolves responsibility because they had already tried to convince CEO to remedy problem a few dozen times. Hard to lump those together.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
Great movie plot.
Hot_Poetry_6475@reddit
it will be within a few years.
crossovermeme@reddit
I would like to believe that no engineer thinks like that, doesn't matter how hard the problem is.
F1ghtmast3r@reddit
As someone who works on vehicles, I would like to disagree, but I say that in jest
crossovermeme@reddit
As an engineer who works on vehicles I would like to say I never cut corners.
DepartmentOk5431@reddit
Cant they just tap the tank w a new valve and drain it into a controlled tanker w appropriate chemicals to stop it from polymerizing and creating more heat?
MrGoodGlow@reddit
It solidifies from the outside in. As you can imagine, that is an issue for your proposed solution.
husbunny@reddit
Are you volunteering to go do that?
omg_drd4_bbq@reddit
it's already likely semi-polymerized, and i've read it's under high pressure because the pressure relief valve clogged. You'd need to somehow lance it with basically a giant cannula and hope it doesn't cause failure of the whole tank
SWtoNWmom@reddit
Well that whole article was an entertaining read (for someone living far away)
SWtoNWmom@reddit
I realize that sounded harsh. I just was appreciating the bluntness of the press releases and the comments mentioning they want people to stop calling in with suggestions and such.
MrGoodGlow@reddit
On Facebook everyone in the comments was giving shit suggestions like they knew how to solve a problem all the experts couldn't.
HappyAnimalCracker@reddit
Nice for once not to have a vague report that leaves one with more questions than anything!
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
I was pretty impressed.
WiseSalamander00@reddit
I don't know, I worry about animals or the pets of families that could not take them... I am sure there must be a few...
American_Greed@reddit
I'm out of the loop, is this a wildfire or some other catastrophe?
ExtraplanetJanet@reddit
Jesus, I volunteer for the Red Cross and I can't imagine what they're dealing with out there trying to stand up shelters for up to 80k evacuees in a situation that is almost certainly not part of any pre-existing disaster playbook. What a nightmare for everyone involved! At least it's California so there is some hope of the company responsible actually facing meaningful consequences.
ibuttergo@reddit
This part stood out to me…
Hot_Poetry_6475@reddit
interesting
HybridVigor@reddit
They could also just drop their ballots in the mail. OC has a lot of far right crazy folks who, despite no evidence, believe that mail in voting is rife with fraud for some reason, but the option is available to them.
HarryBallsanya420@reddit
Come on lol
Hot_Poetry_6475@reddit
So the best case scenario is that it leaks, potentially going "into our rivers channels, storm drains and oceans". Got it. Got it. Check.
wackadoodle4201@reddit
Fuuuck
stopusingyallweirdo@reddit
I didn't know people call to make suggestions during disasters. Maybe they're actually complaints.
The initial evacuation area was 9 square miles, so I guess 3 miles away from the facility. The area was increased, I think the srticle didn't say. The berry farm being 4 miles away seems too close to be safe. Is this a farm that exports? Disneyland at 5 miles also seems quite at risk.
shivaswrath@reddit
Fascinating....I'm going to LA next Thursday....so maybe I won't.
Vlad-Djavula@reddit
It's in Orange County, so you should be fine unless you were hoping to go to Disneyland.
shivaswrath@reddit
But if it does explode it's air borne...and sky's the limit.
Far_Out_6and_2@reddit
This is not good
Far_Out_6and_2@reddit
Thanks for all the explanations
DocHolidayiN@reddit
Orange County Fire Authority Division Chief and Unified Incident Commander Craig Covey . Oh so that craig covey.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
Why did you say it that way? Spill the beans please.
DocHolidayiN@reddit
No beans but with a title like that his plan is what - someone else step up.
Due_Will_2204@reddit (OP)
Yeah that's what I took from it too.
killnoisekill@reddit
Late stage capitalism.. Don’t worry Bryan Johnson apparently says using a sauna got rid of all the microplastics in his balls so in the case of a plastic explosion just book a spa retreat for the family
AcidaliaPlanitia@reddit
"Would you knock it off, Union Carbide?"
Bro-melain@reddit
Close encounters of the 💩 kind
Dead_Inside50@reddit
Gotta love our dependence on plastic
BusyBanana4205@reddit
I’m generally against data centers, but they can have mini Chernobyl
Idiotan0n@reddit
chemnobyl
Expensive-Swing-2601@reddit
arb1698@reddit
To quote the great penguin Rico Kaboom. A very bad KABOOM but still a Kaboom.