Rice storage questions.

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Ra_a_@reddit

Flour is short term

Rice we just use the store packing for a few years

Why aren’t you going to eat it?

Deep pantry method

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No-Complex-9159@reddit

Flour can last 30 years if stored in cool dry dark conditions. Not sure why you think it's short term.

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White flour is the #1 product I've had to pitch out the most of in the last 40 years (yes, 40) of storing food. Have pitched at least 500 lbs. over the years till I stopped wasting money on trying to store white flour long term.

Hard red winter wheat= better for you not bleached BS the FDA (an org not exactly known about giving AF about your health) makes the millers ADD BACK Vitamins to, more versatile, stores longer, can be grown.

Take white flour out and bury some, do the same with hard red wheat. The first will just create a mess, the 2nd will grow will grow and produce more wheat.

"But you need a mill"- yes and multiple inexpensive options exist. I could have bought several of the mills we own with the money I wasted on white flour over the decades.

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skaplanolmsted@reddit

There’s a grain-grinding attachment for the kitchenaid stand mixer. There’s also a meat grinder, a pasta maker, and a few other useful attachments. I think it’s a piece of essential equipment (but only if you have a long-term off-grid power, obviously). It means storing wheat berries, barley, and other extremely hardy grains, all of which are better for your long-term health than white flour. There are also some less expensive, hand grinding alternatives.

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No-Complex-9159@reddit

Yes in retrospect I owe you the decency of admitting I'm wrong. It does in fact last 10 years, thanks for the respectful insight I do appreciate.

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Suspicious-Agent8932@reddit

They sell flour in #10 cans at a reasonable price. They last 30 years.

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GrizzlyHermit90@reddit (OP)

Where do you buy those?

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Nuclear_Wolffang@reddit

I believe the Mormon stores carry them, your choice of which mega-corp to donate to😂

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iambecomesoil@reddit

Mormons sell wheat berries in cans, not flour so far as I'm aware.

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Nuclear_Wolffang@reddit

Seems like both now (online anyhow)

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iambecomesoil@reddit

oh Hmm.

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Suspicious-Agent8932@reddit

Amazon. I have a local place nearby though that I take people on my Scavenger Hunts. You can get them online also.

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GrizzlyHermit90@reddit (OP)

Any other place than Amazon. I try not to give daddy Bezos anymore money if I can help it.

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Suspicious-Agent8932@reddit

I understand that. You can also research the providing company on there and bypass Amazon. I make Amazon lists to do my offline shopping now! It’s organized, has all the info and it’s easy to browse.

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Sharp_Oral@reddit

My family goes through 25lbs of rice a month, I try to keep 3 years supply on hand - I’ve never had rice go bad in the standard bag it comes in.

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chicagotodetroit@reddit

How do you store 900lbs of rice?

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JRHLowdown3@reddit

Seems like a large quantity but it's only about 20 buckets @ 45 lbs. per in a superpail (6 gallon bucket). Or if you packed in mylars and then placed them into pickle barrels, we have gotten 300-350 lbs. of product in pickle barrels, so 3 barrels.

If your asking how to properly pack it, here is THE DIY thread that has helped tens of thousands pack properly-

https://survivalandpreparednessforum.net/forum/the-basics/1154-diy-food-storage-basics-ask-questions-get-answers-etc

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chicagotodetroit@reddit

Thanks!

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Sharp_Oral@reddit

The ones on the left are the older 50lb bags.

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funke75@reddit

Flour will eventually go rancid, the best way to store wheat long term is in wheat berry form inside a sealed Mylar bag with O2 obsorbers that you store in a secure rodent proof container.

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JRHLowdown3@reddit

This.

Hard red winter wheat packed properly in 1998 still good, using it for making bread 3X a week currently.

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Primary_Highlight540@reddit

Could you share your easiest recipe that you use this flour for? I’ve read that the amount of flour to liquid is different when using home-milled flour. Makes me hesitant to try.

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GrizzlyHermit90@reddit (OP)

Thank you for the wheat berry idea. Do you freeze it at all to kill any bacteria or mites that might be in there? Similar to rice? Do you freeze after I put into separate mylar bags?

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JRHLowdown3@reddit

Here is THE DIY thread on properly putting up LTS food-

https://survivalandpreparednessforum.net/forum/the-basics/1154-diy-food-storage-basics-ask-questions-get-answers-etc

You don't need to "freeze" anything is you purchase/plan correctly.

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GrizzlyHermit90@reddit (OP)

I like the deep pantry method but just bought ourr first house so have the space (crawl space) for long long term storage and was gonna throw a big bag of rice down there and forget about it as another layer of food security

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Ra_a_@reddit

Provident Living home storage online order form. Long term cans stack neatly in their own boxes

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eyepoker4ever@reddit

I've heard that boxes absorbed moisture causing your cans to rust.

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scootunit@reddit

Check the humidity before you put it down there. Rice wants to be somewhere cool and dry. If it's moist it'll go bad much quicker especially if it's still in semi permeable packaging.

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skaplanolmsted@reddit

Dessicant packets are sometimes helpful with humidity.

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KTeacherWhat@reddit

I would still put that bag inside something a little less penetrable.

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Imagirl48@reddit

Just be aware that temperature fluctuations can have a major impact on your food stores.

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HearMeRoar80@reddit

You can store rice indefinitely in a air tight container and store it in a dark place. It may taste stale after some time, but it's edible.

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BaldyCarrotTop@reddit

Flour: I keep about 20lbs or so on hand. We use it constantly. I keep 8 or so pounds in two storage containers in the cupboard. 4 or 5 5lb bags are kept in a square snap lid bucket (reused kitty litter bucket).

Rice: I have 10lbs of rice in its original bag. Another 20lbs in 2qt mason jars. No special packaging or handling. We use it constantly.

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Sharp_Oral@reddit

The ones on the lower left are the older 50lb bags, on the right 25lbs.

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SummerBirdsong@reddit

I just vacuum sealed 50 pounds of rice with my foodsaver. I had been keeping jasmine rice in food grade 5 gallon buckets with screw lids but it oxidized. It's still edible but does taste a tiny bit stale.

This time I used my cupboard storage container as a measure and filled up bags with what will fill the container.

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iambecomesoil@reddit

Put the rice in the bags, add oxygen absorbers, close them then seal them appropriately.

Use the flour.

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kkinnison@reddit

How much do you use? Daily, month, year?

When you are storing Flour and Rice with mylar and Absorbers those are "Deep" pantry items that should be lasting over 10 years.

For me I have rice in 1 gallon mylar holds abut 3 to 4 pounds (I am not going to measure it now) and another container in my Pantry that can hold that amount of rice for daily use. When my pantry container runs out I go grab another 1 gallon sealed bag i have in buckets (Old latex paint buckets, non-food grade with lids) in the basement

Took me almost 2 years to go through 25# of rice. so if i wanted a full deep pantry that lasted 10 years I would need another 100 pounds of rice. but i am happy with just 2 year pantry depth

do the same strategyfor flour, beans, and other dry goods

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7o7A1@reddit

i would'n store flour much past its best before date. better to store wheat berries and mill them before use

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TheMrsH1124@reddit

Use the flour. It lasts at best 18 months. I store rice in mylar with O2 absorbers.

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AccidentalDragon@reddit

I'm storing 20 lbs long grain in 2 6-quart Cambro containers from Sams Club (great price!). I have another 20 lbs of basmati in another set of Cambros, but the bag was 25 lbs... so I have a bit in a Ziplock to use first. They are in my office/now pantry, so climate controlled.

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Mellema@reddit

I always have between 25 to 50 pounds of bread flour on hand. 25# fits nicely in a 5 gallon bucket. When I finish one bucket I switch to the next and order another 25 pound bag.

If you start making your own bread, you'll realize 10 pounds of flour isn't that much.

I also keep 10-20 pounds of AP flour, rye flour, and whole wheat flour.

All of these are kept in buckets, but no mylar or absorbers, because it's not long term storage, it's just used regularly.

I do have wheat berries for long term and those get the oxygen absorbers. Rice is divided into 5 pound mylar bags with absorbers.

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RedBullPilot@reddit

Use 5gal steel pails or 16gal steel drums from Uline etc, the advantage of the drums is that you can plumb a 3/4” valve fitting to the lid vent and exhaust the air with a hand pump to limit oxidation and moisture, which you can tune up periodically to capture off gassing or evaporated water (like a vacuum dehydrator) You COULD use the 45 gal drums, but harder to move/relocate/transport

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KTeacherWhat@reddit

When COVID lockdowns started, we discovered that my husband had been storing rice in a regular plastic tub (like Glad maybe) since before we were actually together. So at least 10 years. I decided to start cooking it to help us stay out of the grocery stores. It tasted fine, cooked up like normal, and helped keep us out of the stores for a few weeks while things were getting figured out.

Obviously rice wasn't the only thing we had, I'm very good at making and storing chicken stock, and I'm always good for lots of dried beans, plus I garden and sometimes can, sometimes freeze, in the fall, so there was lots of food, but the rice was something that really helped.