Insane how much foresight global leaders lack and how stupid they are
Posted by burgerburgertaco@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 39 comments
Despite America building up large amounts of military hardware in the middle east since January, most countries didn't seem to predict that America would actually attack Iran or the closure of the strait that would follow, not even America itself. This is despite it being a known issue for decades, the previous year's 12 day war between Iran/Israel or America already attacking Venezuela previously. As a result, only a handful of country seem prepared, namely China, who made sure to stock up on record amount of oil ever since 2025, when tensions really started rising in the region, and who has spend trillions building out their renewables and EVs a decade ago.
Even America didn't fill out it's oil stockpile before they started the war. So fucking stupid man. We could have avoided a lot of pain if countries had some basic foresight and every country made sure to stock up on oil before the war started, there were plenty of people that knew a major attack was coming since January.
Also, the general pushback against renewables and EVs was so short sighted in light of this crisis. Even beyond the climate, energy security should be a priority for any country, especially when one buys a shit ton of oil/gas from the dumpster fire that is the middle east. But nope, other than a handful of countries like Norway and China, countries seem to actively shun renewable energy and EVs. Same thing, if the world had just made a concentrated effort to go green years ago, any oil shock would be greatly blunted. What did the world do? Spread FUD and complain about Chinese overcapacity and started putting tariffs on EVs and solar panels and blocking Chinese wind turbines.
This crisis really made me realize that politicians are really really fucking stupid. And it's not just politicians, all the academics/experts/think tanks and whatnot also seem blind. Due to the war, I got into the habit of reading a lot bunch of material and listening to podcasts of geopolitics and stuff, I'm into long distance cycling, so I plenty of time to listen to podcast.
And guess what? They can talk for dozens upon dozens of hours on demographics and supply chains, debt levels, economical, security issues, and potential crisis like a war over Taiwan, but they more or less never ever mention climate change or any of the potential climate and ecological crisis that dominates this subreddit.
I have read dozens of white papers, articles and watched almost a hundred hours of discussions with the people with degrees and PhDs that are supposed to give advice to world leaders, and not once have I heard stuff like how we're a mere handful of years away from regular heatwaves that will render large parts of South Asia uninhabitable. Or the coming droughts and increased floods. Or the immense level of water stress that most of the world will face in the next decade. Or sea level rise. Or potential mass crop failures due to heat. They never bring it up, not even once. The most that they bring up is how the Arctic warming up will open new shipping routes, and that's purely due to all the Greenland drama that's ongoing.
If you're talking about the future of India/Pakistan or south asia, and you don't even mention the heat wave/temperature issue or the water scarcity that this two countries face, you don't deserve your job. It's probably the most dangerous flashpoint for conflict between two unstable nuclear powers, and it's a crisis that might suddenly escalate really quickly, countries really need to start planning for it NOW, but instead I hear dozens of hours on the same boring slop about how China might invade Taiwan any day now.
It's also scary to see how little this kind people think of renewables. They barely talk about solar or wind, despite the fact that it really should be a hot topic with the current oil shock. But nope, it barely comes up and they still somehow envision a future in 20 years where 99% of the power generation is fossil fuel based. This people with real powers, with real influence, it's like they cannot comprehend a world without oil/gas dominating the world. No wonder real changes never come. If anything, I hear a concerning about of "energy experts" who spend a insane amount of time shitting on solar/wind and how they will never work.
The one country that does seem to take existential risk seriously is China. Not just energy but food security too, and the coming climate risks too. But even they don't seem prepared for what is likely coming.
PrairieFire_withwind@reddit
You need to read more about cult thinking. given, it is the extreme version of 'go along to get along'. But ALL humans have this glitch.
It is not a huge issue in small systems like a group deciding what kind of pizza they will order but the same underlying mechanism becomes more and more dangerous the larger the system.
This is why i rail against everyone blaming a particular group (age, income, etc). Because the underlying decisionmaking glitch is expliotable by a large enough system.
Pkease, start talking about designing different systems that account for this.
NiceSupermarket7724@reddit
This is why I prefer to socialize with fellow autistics
PrairieFire_withwind@reddit
Hint. You are still human. and you still make the same mistakes as the rest of humanity when placed in a particular role within the system.
In fact, the thought process that one is better than others is it's own glitch that is exploitable by a sociopathic system.
NiceSupermarket7724@reddit
What? I don’t think being autistic is better... It’s a disability in the modern world. I am simply stating that, because of the way I perceive the world, this is my preference.
Hint: One of the hallmarks of autism is a disregard for social norms.
PrairieFire_withwind@reddit
Indeed. And i have and care for an autistic family member. They are exploitable similarily to the way that i describe above. I am saying to be careful, for your sake.
Because your are still vunerable to an exploitative system. This is why this particular family member is with us and not other family.
NiceSupermarket7724@reddit
Things you do not need to do to an autistic person:
Your ableism is disappointing and bizarre.
PrairieFire_withwind@reddit
I am saying this applies to everyone, including me. That we all have this as part of being human.
I am reminding them that this ALSO is an issue for them because, again, they are human. This is a risk no matter what kind of human you are. And stating a preferred exception as they did is great but does not exempt them from a societal risk. And i will remind everyone that risk applies whether you want it to, whether you try to be a part of a different group, whatever. It is a human thing and as long as they are human, as i am, it applies.
No where in there did i ever say i am not vunerable to it also. I am. So are you. So are all humans.
NiceSupermarket7724@reddit
You are very far from understanding.
Wish you a nice day.
Norman_Door@reddit
When you say this, are there any types of systems you have in mind?
PrairieFire_withwind@reddit
Excellent question.
I think luke kemp covered a few cultures that decided against building cities for thau very reason.
The closest i come in anything modern is buddhist thinking.
If you come up with solid examples for us please share, it is really hard for us to transition to from where we are right now. Overpopulation constrains our options in so many ways.
gnostic_savage@reddit
I agree. I wouldn't call it cult thinking, but it certainly is a form of it. Humans are social animals, dependent on each other for our very survival. We don't survive alone, and certainly especially not for the first fifteen or sixteen years of life. We conform because we must. And we learn to conform extremely early in life, at least by the time we are talking to any degree. We conform even when it goes against our moral convictions and we know it goes against them.
Unfortunately, we also learn to rationalize our choices very early in life. The cognitive dissonance sets in by the age of three. The older we get the more likely we are to believe our self-serving and thoroughly made up justifications. It's based in biology in the human animal, and that's why it is one of the few things about us that is actually human nature. We claim all kinds of things are human nature that are not, but large numbers of us conforming to societal pressures is.
Our hierarchical system with extreme wealth disparity, which it has had for over a thousand years, ensures that we will be dominated by psychopaths. The way to deter it is seen in both tribal and modern Nordic societies, and the answer is egalitarianism, both societal and wealth egalitarianism. It's been done, it's still being done. But we don't like that very much. We have several very screwed up beliefs about ourselves and each other, both perverted Calvinist beliefs, and anthropocentric beliefs that are also based in religion that prevent us from ever getting over ourselves. I've made some peace with it.
PrairieFire_withwind@reddit
I should have said that the cult thinking is a really obvious extreme of this process.
Sorry, was just trying to give people an example that may be outside of their day to day rationalizations.
But you said it better than i. We are socialized into the heirarchy.
gnostic_savage@reddit
You said it very well, and were totally on the right track. I also appreciate that you understand how we are socialized to the cultural worldview/reality.
There_Are_No_Gods@reddit
It's mostly not a lack of foresight, but rather primarily a lack of alignment of interests.
The oligarchs and puppet masters of the governments are making fortunes on the turmoil, the grifter in chief very much included. This is exactly what they want, as it aligns with their personal interests.
Ok-Zookeepergame5245@reddit
Exactly, what’s happening right now is exactly what the elites want.
pseudohim@reddit
The system is what the system does.
SomeRandomGuydotdot@reddit
Now if only we could get people to agree on what it does.
neuro_space_explorer@reddit
They also benifit by thinning the heard and making them more desperate for what they hold and control.
It-s_Not_Important@reddit
Inverse Hanlon’s razor.
Pleasant-Winner6311@reddit
We are becoming dummer, its now reached the top tier of society. Liz truss. Like wheres the talent that outshines that piece of crap. No where to be found. Where has all the talent gone?
IamGodHimself2@reddit
*dumber
According_Chain9708@reddit
i wouldnt say they are stupid (bar some exceptions) i just feel that most world leaders have a certain degree of amorality to where they can make decisions that negatively effect people in the short term but benefit their modus operanda in the grand scheme of things
NyriasNeo@reddit
You are naive. You assume they want to avoid the problems. How much money people in-the-know can make out of crisis?
Velocipedique@reddit
For one, China is run by technocrats, mostly well-trained engineers, while the US has but lawyers and MBAs. One works at making things work better with foresight while the other's only interest is profit$. I grew up in the ruins of WWII Europe, fearing wars above all, then read Carson, the Erlichs and the Club of Rome mini opus LTG, while studying studying under the father of paleoclimatology. The latter's work was ignored for 20 years (1956-1976) and even to this day the consequences sidelined as much as possible. The current situation is INSANE beyond all reason and those intellectuals who formed our country signing the declaration and writing the US Constitution turning in their graves! Spot on!
Napsnsnackz@reddit
I feel they aren't stupid. They just don't have the same goals as our propaganda media would make us believe.
Current-Code@reddit
You must be american, because over here, nuclear and renewable are talked about for decades, and urban planning is taking climate change into consideration for years.
About Iran, honestly I don't believe anyone thought Trump was stupid enough to pull that trigger. It was a clusterfuck for anyone with 2 cents of knowledge about that region.
There is a reason why you can mess with Irak and not Iran. Everyone knew. Every former US president new.
You have to literally be the overlord of moron to put a trumpade like that.
Should the world leaders have anticipate that this morons of morons will bombe all the delegates when they were YIELDING their nuclear ambitions ?
Well, maybe they should. But the world leaders have little experience with dealing with a baboon playing with the US might with no control whatsoever, no counter power, and a gutted US democracy.
I don'r blame "them". I blame him, the third of US citizen who voted for him, the third of US citizen who didn't vote, and the third who did vote against him and believe they are thus absolved of any responsibility.
CandleStick88@reddit
The American military is the best there is in the world and one of the greatest of all time when it comes to planning, logistics and technology.
I’m saying this as a non-American who is not a fan of their work since WW2.
But their politicians since WW2 have undermined and ignored much of the knowledge, wisdom and advice of the top brass in favour of their own interests, special interests (like Israel) and agendas.
Top-Classroom3984@reddit
Tell us how the US did in Afghanistan, Iraq …
CandleStick88@reddit
Did you read the main takeaway about their politicians asking the military to do stupid shit?
daviddjg0033@reddit
loosely defined?
Biden did not tell the country - no "fireside chat" hey we warned Europe and they ignored us because "US wrong about Iraq having WMDs"
Biden gave up sources. and what did Europe do? poland latvia estonia lithuania probably norway already > 4% gdp on defense. Did the public understand it was war inflation? or did the $600 check not everyone received inflate gas, food and shelter.
not one call for conservation. record flights and cruises.
The goal there was trickier because our own intel showed Russia winning. Then came the Tankies in WWII era tanks that broke down on the road from Lukashenko "fall guy for Putin at Hague" Belarus border into Bucha. 60 minutes documented a ready-to-prosecute case. Elderly raped and murdered while barbarians who never saw such wealth plundered Ukraine... again... another pogrom. War is inflationary by definition. The last time the US tapped its SPR. While China scooped up half the worlds grain market - Putin told Xi at the "Moon Base" meeting 2022. This sounds like it rhymes China buying oil now is just to inflict pain hoarding is signalling 2027 as the year we learn why Coral Reefs > military bases but Greta is on a boat.
A second front in WWIII opened years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_diplomatic_crisis remember hithis hezbollah hamas are patamilitaries not governments.
that wikipedia should state reasons Qatari media was so insidious English is Iranian pro-Hez pro-Hamas and arabic version adds Mein Kampf + panarab fascism - all those combatants and it was 2y before huthis bombed Saudi oilfields in 2019. middle east + n africa vs Iran half of Yemen, Qatar ajd maybe Erdogan of Turkey. Qatar has a gas field larger than the next several on earth combined.
the amount of Qatari money that went to US universities since 9/11/01 dwarfs any not-a-democracy and any petrostate. Mandanis mom got tens of millions for a movie that made a few thousand. so NYC was bribed with a Turkish (Iranian sympathasizer or ally) then Qatari. Dan Blizerian actual neonazi for Congress in Qatar.
Iran bombs both Qatar and Turkey NATO shoots down missiles but bombed desalination plants in UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait. These countries might as well be landlocked. And that was the noose the Islamic regime fooled its Westernized voters in 1979 and got a theocratic regime like Son of Prophet akin to Jung Un as son of God. 30,000 died in the streets.
Nobody has told anyone shit about shinola since green men in 2014 when climate change accelerated.
10.7.23 is known more than Iranian Hezbollah - offshoot of muslim brotherhood - the group the middle east surrounded Qatar for inciting terrorism Missiles fired from Lebanon started 10.8.23 before any IDF response. Despite Lebanon beimg offered billions to disarm Hezbollah it never happened.
Iraq is now more stable except for the Iranian paramilitaries. the ones that IEDd my friends last decade. Sulemani had some nerve to be in Baghdad. Ayatollahs too all in one place? no way any US president since Reagan says no.
What changed? Jordan Egypt and the Arabian peninsula minus the Houthi area of Yemen. Huthis denying Egypt billions in Suez royalties while the world pays for the extra fuel and time (inflation) for everything fuel to food.
CandleStick88@reddit
What in the nonsense was that?
shaikuri@reddit
Most leaders are above age 65 and just don't care about things that will happen mostly to poor people or too much in the future. There should be a cut off age imo for deciding things that affect everyone's future.
Rollthehardsix77@reddit
I wish it was just stupidity, but I fear much of it was planned to make the rich richer.
pants6000@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation
Logridos@reddit
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair
The politicians have been bought and paid for by the people raping the earth as hard as they can to extract finite resources and accumulate obscene wealth for themselves at the expense of everyone else. They would never think about turning off the money fountain that is benefitting them, even if it means killing us all.
BeetleBones@reddit
It's by design
gnostic_savage@reddit
Sociopaths and psychopaths, which most of our leaders are, have special talents that ordinary people do not have. They have a different kind of social intelligence.
They also have their own special flavor of stupidity, and an ability to anticipate some kinds of consequences is one of them. As long as they are our leaders, we go right over their special stupidity cliff to our doom with them.
itsatoe@reddit
Politicians are in an environment that rewards those who are willing to do anything to win. The most selfish, the most willing to take bribes, the most willing to pander, the most short-sighted.
So not surprisingly, we end up with "leaders" who serve themselves first, their contributors second, their political party third, their constituents fourth (or lower), and somewhere at the bottom: the interests of humanity.
thelingererer@reddit
It's more like politicians and academics ( both right and left) are willfully stupid because they are all beholden to their biggest donors who happens to be major corporations and those who control and own them.