Why do some brits introduce themselves as from the UK and other as English/Scottish/Welsh?
Posted by TeensyRay@reddit | AskABrit | View on Reddit | 650 comments
Hello Brits!
I'm an American who works in the tourism industry and I talk to quite a lot of visitors from the UK. I've noticed some people introduce themselves as being from the UK, whereas others prefer to say their constituent country (England, Scotland, Wales). Is there any significance in someone's political views that would make someone choose to say the UK over their constituent country or vice versa? I know in the US a lot of subtle linguistic differences like that come down to personal politics and I imagine there's some similar stuff in the UK. I've also noticed using British or from the UK seems more common for people from England, especially southern England, than Scotland or Wales. Is this linguistic differences due to politics, some other factor like age, or is it just a preference thing? If you're abroad do you introduce yourself as British or English/Scottish/Welsh?
tmbyfc@reddit
I think I probably say British or English equally, 50/50. I just don't really care, it doesn't matter to me. Some people it seems it really matters.
SoggyWotsits@reddit
Everyone from the UK is from the UK, not everyone in the UK is British. Not everyone British is English, and so on. It depends whether they want to narrow it down or not.
Sometimes people are happy to give a general idea where they’re from, and sometimes they like to specify. Some people on Reddit claim they’d never say English, (only British) for fear or sounding like a flag waving lunatic. Most of us just say we’re English because we’re not Scottish etc.
HoneyBeeTwenty3@reddit
Am i being stupid, always thinking ireland was "Britain." Like is it not one of the british isles?
ldn85@reddit
Ireland isn’t part of Britain. Britain is the large island that includes the countries of England, Scotland and Wales. Ireland is a separate island that contains the countries of Northern Ireland and Ireland (often referred to as the Republic of Ireland). Northern Ireland + the three countries on the island of Britain make up the U.K., Republic of Ireland is a totally separate and independent country.
“British Isles” is a term that refers to the group of islands that includes Britain & Ireland (plus thousands of smaller islands) but some Irish people would prefer that it’s not used as it has colonial connotations.
Silent-Explorer-743@reddit
And of course for many N.Ireland isnt a country but a region.
mind_thegap1@reddit
British isles and Britain are not synonymous
Tightropewalker0404@reddit
I don’t have it in me today for this but I’m commenting hoping for an interesting thread to ready later
ReinforcedTube@reddit
Insert popcorn gif here
awnawmate@reddit
That's a long story...
kfifigidifkg@reddit
Making a lot of very wide generalisations:
rachelm791@reddit
I get the sense that many English people, particularly an older generation, conflate England with Britain.
Forsaken_Counter_887@reddit
Which is a whole other very significant layer to why non-English Ukians are less likely to identify as British
Maximum_Bee_3054@reddit
Agree although those who are more mixed (i.e a Welsh Mum and a Scottish dad but live in England) might just say "from the UK" as it's easier and avoids a long explanation with an American who either won't know where Wales and Scotland are or will know because their 8 times great grandfather was Scottish so they are in fact more Scottish than you.
andrinaivory@reddit
The funny thing is I used to prefer British but use 'English' more when interacting with people from other countries, as that's easier to understand.
TheRealTabbyCool@reddit
Living in Newcastle, the Scottish border is closer to us than most of England is, so I feel more British than specifically English, especially when it can be easier to understand a Scottish accent than some English ones, and they typically understand us more easily too! 😅
kfifigidifkg@reddit
Wey aye, pet.
ldn85@reddit
I liked the side stepping of Northern Irish identity, that really is another level!
kfifigidifkg@reddit
Yep. There you have British, Northern Irish, and Irish identities. Everyone has one, some have two, and some have three, all depending on their attitude to Battle of the Boyne of 1690.
Mediocre-Basketcase@reddit
As a left leaning northern english person I somewhat agree, though i moved to scotland over recent years and have reverted from saying British to saying i’m English as you quickly discover the scots don’t want to be included into your overall encompassing term and its colonialism, so i stop calling myself british. I understand calling yourself English has it’s critics, but it feels more natural to say that around scots and welsh that don’t want to be included into your catchall terminology. Though being from the north, you’re more likely to say you’re northern/northern English than British or just English. But not calling yourself british is far from a right-wing thing, I’ve never understood why calling yourself British was seen in the south as the more positive and inclusive term when its naming yourself after the empire.
Sudden-Requirement40@reddit
My husband is either Geordie or British. Never English but our kids are English- possibly to annoy my Scottish family 🤣
PrizeCrew994@reddit
I’m either a Mackem or British but never English, Same as your husband 😉 and one day, I’ll be making the same jokes about my English kids to annoy my very Scottish partner. Maybe we’re just awkward in the north east? Haha
Mommas_kumquatt@reddit
Agree but not sure about the older generation identifying as English, I've found the other way, especially any who lived through ww2
Frodo34x@reddit
I think I've experienced all five of these, yeah. I totally agree
PatchyWhiskers@reddit
I usually say English. It's a preference, not political.
TheRealJessKate@reddit
Yes English, from the UK.
Maleficent-Heart2497@reddit
I'm English so I say English. In my experience it's unusual to hear someone refer to themselves as British.
Nuffsaid98@reddit
Northern Ireland enters the chat.
Maleficent-Heart2497@reddit
Yeah I'm aware of that and actually typed it out at one point but I didn't want to " speak" on behalf of the Northern Irish.
Feersum_endjjinn@reddit
Ive never met a British person who's described themselves as British. Im from England im english. My Welsh and Scottish mates say theyre from wales and Scotland.
aricaia@reddit
I’m from England and but since I moved to America I do, unfortunately, say “I’m British”. I feel like more Americans refer to me as such so I just started using the same phrase back.
Confetti_Sparkle@reddit
Ah yes, and do you have a British accent also? 😁
aricaia@reddit
Clearly not, most people here think I’m Australian. 🫣.
Maleficent-Heart2497@reddit
Yep, I've actually never met anyone who: does tbh but I know it's a thing in northern Ireland?
Confetti_Sparkle@reddit
I'm from Northern Ireland but grew up mostly in England and nowive in Scotland.
My Catholic NI relatives call themselves Irish and the Protestant ones will either say they are British or Northern Irish or even, "from Ulster".
I say I'm English, even though I'm not. It's easier than explaining why I don't have an Irish accent.
Lady_Deathfang@reddit
You have now; I say that I'm British 😂
ToriGem@reddit
But is that because you're not ethnically English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh?
Lady_Deathfang@reddit
Well I was born in England and so were my parents, but my grandparents were not so maybe 🤷🏾♀️
HalfAgony-HalfHope@reddit
I'd probably say British.
thedaytoday89@reddit
And me. I'm English but always say British. Not sure I have a clear idea as to why but it definitely happens.
Lady_Deathfang@reddit
Same
Forward_Win_4353@reddit
Me too. In my experience it’s perfectly normal for people to describe themselves as British.
Maleficent-Heart2497@reddit
Iain m Banks fan by any chance?
Feersum_endjjinn@reddit
Massively👍👍😊
scauk@reddit
Yeh, but for me if someone asked "are you British?" I would probably say "yeh I'm English" as opposed to "no I'm English".
Practical-Ear725@reddit
If you are English, you are British, if you are British, you might not be English.
Aware_Ad_431@reddit
I’ve started saying ‘we’re British’ as I’m English with a Welsh partner..
Maleficent-Heart2497@reddit
Agreed
No_Conclusion_8684@reddit
I say British because it fits how I feel. I'm born and raised in England but I have Turkish heritage so I don't feel English enough to say English
Zealousideal-Read-67@reddit
Also in America they call you English regardless unless you claim another heritage.
spookgrl@reddit
I often say British because it's easier than saying that I was born in Wales to a Welsh mum and an English dad but have lived in England for 27 years.
Lady_Deathfang@reddit
I say British 😅
4BennyBlanco4@reddit
English from England.
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
In the words of Skunk Anansie - YES IT'S FUCKING POLITICAL! EVERYTHING'S POLITICAL!
deny_evaade@reddit
Skunk Anansie mentioned!!!
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
Woop 🙌
Am not a fan really, I liked a few of their songs in the 90s but Skin is ICONIC!
South-Excitement1720@reddit
The downvotes is because All they want is destruction.
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
I see what you did there 😉
AudioLlama@reddit
Life is politics
Aware_Ad_431@reddit
Existence is pain
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
exactly that! Every aspect of your existence is political - you just don't realise it!
Oh, and politics/political does NOT mean party political here!
Gluzruooplaxcamphian@reddit
This is probably too far off topic so I understand if you don't, also I'm not owed anything as a random stranger online but:
Could you expand on this? What do you mean by this?
SailAwayMatey@reddit
I wanna go the next party you go mate
Remote-Field4624@reddit
Well we could use a few other skunk lyrics and torch this place down but I don't hate you or the band or song and understood. They are known more for the chart bigger songs tbf so people wouldn't have known.
Past-Obligation1930@reddit
These days, if you say you’re English, you get arrested and thrown in jail.
IainMCool@reddit
When did that come in?! Just for saying you're English? Actual jail?
Maleficent-Heart2497@reddit
English? Straight to jail.
IainMCool@reddit
Just for saying you're English?
Aware_Ad_431@reddit
Literally in jail though?
IainMCool@reddit
These days.
Maleficent-Heart2497@reddit
Mate, it's a joke.
IainMCool@reddit
Yes, and I thought you'd got it.
Never mind
NutAli@reddit
See 'slemsbury' above and click on their link.
IainMCool@reddit
Yes, you should
Past-Obligation1930@reddit
These days.
slemsbury@reddit
https://youtu.be/XkCBhKs4faI?si=hdGP1UxYbP9y-bji
For anyone missing this joke
NutAli@reddit
Thank you.
AccomplishedTip8586@reddit
“This video contains content from BBC Studios, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds” 🙄
NutAli@reddit
Where are you living?
mojnjaro@reddit
What a cretinous moron you are.
VariousGrade3466@reddit
Shut up Stewart, you can’t say that.
purpydrag@reddit
Yeah, these days! 😉
withnailstail123@reddit
No we don’t
McLipstick@reddit
I usually say Scottish because it’s political
FootballPublic7974@reddit
Username checks out.
khanto0@reddit
For me it's not even a preference thing it's kind of just what comes to mind first, or perhaps preference in the moment, but I'm not trying to convey any intent with one over the other.
wildskipper@reddit
Everything is political, whether we realise it or not. Nations are by their very nature political, and associating your identity with a nation is part of a relatively modern (last 250 years) political process. Some people may even say their city, town, region or county before they'd say their nationality.
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
I have no idea why your post has been downvoted so much for saying something that is factually correct!
wildskipper@reddit
Thanks. I guess some people just don't want to see the bigger picture and actually understand the history that got us to where we are.
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
Only a fool forgets his history!
withnailstail123@reddit
Here’s the yank
PatchyWhiskers@reddit
Sometimes people think I say "Ukraine" when I say "UK"
TheGeordieGal@reddit
I’ve had a similarish thing with the 2 getting mixed. Except I was in Sweden. A guide was at a map thing in a museum and asked if anyone was from Ukraine and my friend misheard and cheered. Very embarrassing when she realised everyone thought we were Ukrainian and it led to comments about Brits inserting themselves places (said in a joking way but still…) after she said she misheard.
BastardsCryinInnit@reddit
Ive never had that issue spoken when saying UK, but twice in Europe people have mistaken us for Ukranians because of our car sticker 😂
scotswaehey@reddit
English = English
British =.English
United Kingdom = English
People from the other countries in the union usually but not always prefer to identify as their own country.
BastardsCryinInnit@reddit
There is nothing more to it than saying whatever you feel like in that moment.
I say UK cos it is the most understood.
PassiveTheme@reddit
I find UK is often not understood. Like I'll say "I'm from the UK" and people will look at me blankly until I say "England". But I think of myself as British more than I think of myself as English.
AccordingBasket8166@reddit
British? Why
PassiveTheme@reddit
Because "English" feels very London centric, and I feel like it leaves the north of England behind
Confetti_Sparkle@reddit
In the North we say we're English. I associate "British" with southerners
595659565956@reddit
I’m a Londoner, but I would have said the exact opposite to you
4BennyBlanco4@reddit
Yep English in London are practically extinct.
Lady_Deathfang@reddit
Wtf are you talking about 😂
595659565956@reddit
Well that’s just nonsense
AccordingBasket8166@reddit
Well this is just tragic 😥
England = Angles (germanic tribe) - Land (territory).
While the borders moved a bit the 3 main tribes had recognized petty kingdoms.
The Majority were Angles although the Saxons ended up making England, never quite got that one....
Essex / Middlesex (london) / Sussex / Wessex, also dont know why they didnt get round to Nossex or maybe it also sounded ridiculous back then!
Jutes had Kents
The rest were Angles.
The accepted origins are northern germany / western Denmark (Jutland down to Saxony). And yes it is the bit that "Juts" out of the top of Germany.
Long story short, your more English than a Londoner!
PassiveTheme@reddit
Yes. I understand the etymology of England. That's not what this is about. The fact is that I, personally, feel more in common with the broader concept of "British" than with the more specific "English". I feel more in common with the people of Wales and Scotland, than with many Londoners. That's not about ethnicity, or ancestry, or the history of these isles. It's just personal feelings.
My actual ancestry is likely a good mix of Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Norse, and other groups that settled the British Isles over its 13,000 year inhabitance. I have a surname of Welsh origin, my mum's side of the family have a surname of Scottish origin. Both sides of my family were located in the north of England - Cumbria, County Durham, Northumberland, and Yorkshire - for as far back as we have been able to trace. I was born and raised in Manchester.
When people, especially foreigners, think of England, they think of London, and I felt less at home living in London than I have in any other part of the country, so I don't feel that connection. I know that foreigners also probably think of London when they think of the UK, but they are at least generally aware that that term includes other places, and I feel more of a connection to those other places than I do to London.
It's not that deep.
4BennyBlanco4@reddit
lmao there are no English in London
AccordingBasket8166@reddit
Says someone who doesnt go to London🤣
snoozymum@reddit
Because my family is from Scotland , Wales, England and Ireland.
AccordingBasket8166@reddit
Which one do did you grow up in?
snoozymum@reddit
All of them. I was born in England if that's what you're asking. I would still say British.
BigBunneh@reddit
Same here, family in England, Scotland and Wales, but born abroad so I have no affinity with England in particular, just happen to live here at the moment.
Jorma_Kirkko@reddit
People often think you're saying Ukraine in my experience
Bigbanghead@reddit
Most other countries only recognise sovereign states as countries. The United Kingdom is the only sovereign state. England or Great Britain are not sovereign states.
So our country is the UK. We get UK passports, nothing else.
Zealousideal-Read-67@reddit
United Kingdom of Great Britain and... it's complicated, and we all just get called "English" by the Yanks
Bigbanghead@reddit
Its similar that The Netherlands gets called Holland
NutAli@reddit
But, I'm told, inside it says British passport. Lol
Sudden-Requirement40@reddit
It's really not though when talking to Americans. If I said was from either the UK or Scotland they would still make a comment about loving England. Last time I was in the states I'd only ever been to England once for an overnight in London to see Les Mis for my 16th birthday so I really had no idea if England was lovely or not!
abstractraj@reddit
Most of my fellow Americans don’t understand that there can be multiple countries in a country. To be fair, it’s not exactly commonplace. (I’ve worked in the UK and my wife did her Masters at York)
homemadegrub@reddit
It's exactly the same as the state system in America lol. USA is the equivalent to the UK, the states in America are equivalent to British countries eg Delaware for Scotland, Connecticut for Wales and florida for England. The constituent British countries are not sovereign and independent they are bound and governed by the UK government much which is much like the US federal government.
Diligent_Pangolin_47@reddit
Florida for England 😆
Eky24@reddit
Only if Florida has more votes than the rest of the US put together.
QuietVisit2042@reddit
Pretty f'ing insulting!
ldn85@reddit
You’re right, apologies to Florida!
woollover@reddit
Put those crocodiles away!
CleeBrummie@reddit
How dare you!
Solsbeary@reddit
It really isn't. Maybe if teaching kindergarten, but technically they are nothing alike at all.
homemadegrub@reddit
I mean the similarities are there
ldn85@reddit
Only if you ignore the millennia of separate histories, cultures and identity of the different British nations! I guess from a political perspective it’s in some ways similar to the US federal system, but that’s just the mechanics of how the country operates. In reality countries are about the people that live there and there is far greater difference in that respect between the countries of the UK than there is between the States of the US.
abstractraj@reddit
It’s not the same though. Do Delaware and Connecticut compete separately at the Olympics? No, but England and Scotland do
Sudden-Requirement40@reddit
I can assure you we do not consider it the same.
Dic_Penderyn@reddit
That is surprising, since the USA was originally composed of individual states that were deemed to be sovereign in their own right. When the USA was first formed, it was not conceived as a single nation with regional subdivisions. it was structured as a league of independent, sovereign states - essentially a country of countries.
States printed their own money and taxed each other's goods at borders. Even the the US constitution of 1789 recognised a dual sovereignty framework. The Federal government had control over foreign policy, defence, coining money etc, and the individual states retained control over local matters duch as policing, education, health, etc.
Cute-Patient-91@reddit
I think you mean counties rather than countries - see the war of the roses, between yorkshire & lancashire....
TheRealTabbyCool@reddit
I’m pretty sure they’re talking about England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland being countries within the UK though, not Yorkshire and Lancashire being countries!
Salty-Value8837@reddit
It's not countries within a country. Great Britain or the United Kingdom consists of 4 distinct countries. Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland.
BastardsCryinInnit@reddit
I spent over a decade living outside the UK in various places, "UK" is by far the most understood in a global context.
Well, they are famously the least globalised people on the planet. Skills issue on their part if they cant understand UK!
Bazsticks@reddit
Americans think UK is a country.
NinecloudSoul@reddit
What else would it be?
Advanced_Gate_3352@reddit
A nation state.
NinecloudSoul@reddit
Right, a country as we all routinely understand the term.
dowker1@reddit
Not in China, which makes up a decent chunk of the global context, where the weird for "the UK" sounds a lot like "England".
NutAli@reddit
But, on the flip of the coin, Scotland has some really beautiful areas.
Cute-Patient-91@reddit
Hope you enjoyed her!
I wouldn't pay 150 quid for a musical, let alone some entitled tart!
FootballPublic7974@reddit
But if she held aloft a....scimitar....
superfiud@reddit
You might think that but there's been research to the contrary. People who identify as English not British tend to have very different political views to those who identify as Welsh or Scottish, not British.
andrinaivory@reddit
But sometimes it's not so much about politics, as about moving around or having family from different parts of the UK.
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
This is absolutely correct! I got majorly downvoted for saying exactly this!
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
"There is nothing more to it than saying whatever you feel like in that moment."
To YOU maybe, but I assure you this is not the case across the board!
AccordingBasket8166@reddit
Not english right😅, sorry had to
ChiSandTwitch1@reddit
100000000000% not true. But my guess is you're English? I may be wrong, but I'd only ever expect an English person to say that
BastardsCryinInnit@reddit
Im mixed race and spent oved a decade living outside the UK.
"UK" as by far the most understood.
Conversations as a tourist are fleeting and impersonal. They are about communication.
Not hills to die on about where you are from.
And if someone does make it their personality to force their nation onto everyone they meet, they need to cop onto themselves.
If someone wants to follow up after I say UK, they usually provide some context such "I visited London once" or "I support Manchester United", and you take it from there.
But someone in a tourism setting asking where I am from? UK.
ChiSandTwitch1@reddit
And that's more than fair, but you'll excuse me if I'm a little more precise, given the current manner in which English people are perceived abroad (specifically in Europe), as I have no wish to be lumped in with them.
Nothing personal, but I'm from Scotland, and it's ok to be precise in that. Like I said, I'll say UK (which is entirely accurate) if my first statement causes confusion
GAdvance@reddit
I'm Welsh and English, I describe myself as British first to people though.
It's really not that wild a concept to ascribe yourself more to the overall union than one of the constituent nations
ChiSandTwitch1@reddit
Very much depends on your background pal, I will politely correct people abroad if asked, and will say I'm Scottish unless they don't know what that means (in which case I shall revert to British, but its case dependent)
GAdvance@reddit
I wasn't saying anything to deny that, only that it's not an exclusive thing.
You don't seem entirely polite about correcting me on something I did not say.
ChiSandTwitch1@reddit
Nothing impolite inferred or stated at all buddy, sorry if it came across in that manner. Was simply a statement of fact
pharmamess@reddit
Love you x
BastardsCryinInnit@reddit
Exactly. Especially in a tourism setting where it is usually about sly market research noting where someone is from, or just a fleeting conversation, small talk.
If you say British and they the follow up with "Where abouts" or words to that effect, then aye fill your nationalist boots!
Organic_Sampler@reddit
I'd expect an English person to say England/English when referring to the UK.
Nice_Back_9977@reddit
Why? We're mostly not completely stupid, despite the way it might seem at times.
InspectionHot6010@reddit
If you go to France do you say hello I'm from New York or do you say USA?
Yes we say we are from the UK, then someone will ask whereabouts then you England in the middle.
trysca@reddit
I say British because I'm Cornish Italian Devonian and Welsh - even though I'm technically English it means nothing to me
Party_Success_2195@reddit
I have to ask this question every day in my job. Most say 'English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh', unless they achieved UK citizenship later in life, then it's 'British'
ResearcherBusy5823@reddit
I just say I'm a Brummie, although that's blatantly obvious as soon as I open my mouth.
JMDiscoMode@reddit
If asked my nationality, I’d say British. If asked where I’m from, I’d say London. I’m technically English by birth, but I was raised by immigrant parents in a household that most foreigners likely wouldn’t consider very ‘English’.
Superb-Face3681@reddit
I say British because if I say English, I get abuse from white English people for not really being English because I'm not white.
Altruistic_Fruit2345@reddit
I wouldn't have to be associated with the flag shaggers anyway.
GothicJay@reddit
Sorry to hear that, as white English dude. Fuck those guys, you are one of us now. On the same topic I also say British for similar reasons (don't want to be thrown in with the rasists).
Junta_statism@reddit
I usually say "I'm from facking yookaayy mate! Daan saaf!" Then I'll go back to my real accent. I try to not talk about the place as a whole. It's political. Also usually people must don't give a toss when you do say where you're from.
molgab@reddit
I think it’s easier to explain to foreigners that you’re from the uk rather then smaller places in the uk.
Lower_Inspector_9213@reddit
I’m British because I was born in England and have lived most of my adult life in Scotland …. My kids are Scottish though
Objective-Manner7430@reddit
Always Scottish, never British
Extra-Particular2508@reddit
The UK is called the United kingdom because all member states including England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were countries in their own right when the union was formed. That's my understanding of it. I was born in Scotland so I say I'm Scottish. Met an old lady today in England who said Scotland may as well be a foreign country.
MysteryCrapybarbra@reddit
I always say I'm Scottish. Because I am. Some people identify themselves as British or from the UK. Others identify themselves by their country.
Bmace2010@reddit
My husband is from England but he always says he's British. He may get specific and say Kent but normally British. I'm from the US and I alway say I am from Texas, never just the standard American or from the US, it's always from Texas. I have found after living here in the UK for 16.5 years that if you find someone that says they are British 75% of the time they are English where as if you ask a Scot, Irish, or a Welsh where they are from they will say the specific country. It comes mostly from politics, there is alot of historical strife between the 4 countries where the Scots, Welsh, and Irish have fought hard to keep their own invididuality and are proud to be from their country of origin so rather than being lumped together as British they would rather be identified as such.
wandering_light_12@reddit
I say Im from the UK now. It makes people (muricans) think twice before they say something stupid like oh youre from engerland? do you know the queen and say something in engerlish.
(yes, really.)
Maximum_Bee_3054@reddit
It's just as bad if you say you're Welsh as they either
a)don't know where Wales is
b) think it's in England
c) think it's in Scotland or Ireland because like Celtic and stuff
d) know where is it because their multiple times great uncle twice remove was called Jones so they are just as Welsh as me and we must be related.
e) know where Wales it/something about it like dragons or Tom.Jones and want to show off how incredibly sophisticated knowing where is it makes them (for an American) even sometimes trying to compete with me for knowledge about Wales (this is the worst).
Either way just "I'm from the UK" tends to be easier.
Lady_Deathfang@reddit
That bit about Americans made me laugh because there's a YouTube who does reaction videos that he usually titles "dumb Americans in Europe". The amount of Americans who think Europe is a country is worrying and hilarious in equal measures. 😂
Maximum_Bee_3054@reddit
My ex was American. I have experienced many Americans over the years through him and I honestly stopped trying to tell them I was from Wales because it invariably brought about one of the above reactions.
I never seemed to get the same reaction from other nationalities although admittedly Wales isn't always the best known country. But usually they just sort of knew it was part of the UK ie England or Scotland and would just ask how long I was here for etc.
Khornight@reddit
I'm old enough to have been asked if I knew princess di. I've also been asked if I know penny from london, which I said was crazy there are 7million people in london the changes that we both know the same penny from london are tiny... then we talked some more and I did in fact know the penny she was talking about...
Korovyev__@reddit
How long before the Penny penny dropped?
Renmarkable@reddit
In the 90s I had a vaguely similar hairstyle to Di, ( but was a couple stone heavier), spending time in Indonesia i lost count of how many people convinced I resembled her strongly.... lol
WhoLets1968@reddit
Scots and Welsh, more likely to say their are Scots and Welsh..and English more likely to lead with Brit ..because the English dominate the UK...and haven't been subjugated unlike the Scots, Welsh and Irish.
Northern Ireland is a little more complex
If the person from NI is a loyalist/protestant and pro Union, they are likely to say Brit
If they are catholic/loyalist they are more likely to say Irish because whilst technically Northern Irish, they want unification with ROI and ruled by Dublin not London.
Us English don't really understand or appreciate how much damage we caused Scotland, Wales and Ireland to really understand why they are happy to say British but majority form the other nations don't
Interesting that currently local govt in Scotland is probably Scottish and anti UK, same with Wales and NI so no surprise people from those nations don't identify as British
Delicious_Link6703@reddit
I assume that people from Scotland will say they are Scottish, people from Wales state they are Welsh. Residents of Northern Ireland will confirm that’s where they are from.
Me as an English woman - I have no choice but to say I’m English !
If I’m asked by someone (overseas) where I’m from, I’ll say the UK.
Sufficient-Drama-150@reddit
I've lived in Berwick and Kelso at various times of my life, so I say British. (For non brits, I live on the English Scottish border... And my Dad's from Belfast).
Low-Swim-4931@reddit
I'm Scottish. I would never under any circumstances ever introduce myself as British. Would never happen. Could never happen.
TonyM01@reddit
I say Scottish because of nationality and British coz I was born on the island of Great Britain
nonstandardcandle@reddit
This sort of thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
The_Nunnster@reddit
I identify as English and would say I’m English if someone asked where I was from. I just don’t really share a common identity with the Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish. The UK, to me, isn’t a ‘nation’ like their constituent countries (barring Northern Ireland, that’s more complicated and I don’t care to get into it here), it’s just a union of crowns that was brought into being by legislation, and relatively recently in the grand scheme of things. There was no great British national movement like there was Germany or Italy, no heroic figure that united the realms. Just an English Queen who didn’t have a child, so the country went to her relative who happened to be King of Scotland. And that’s the way it stayed for a century until we decided to just make it official and become Great Britain.
Weirdly enough, on Reddit I would say I’m from the UK. However, I only ever talk about where I’m from when I’m informing someone of something to do with us, not just casual “where are you from” conversation. So I’d probably use it when discussing national politics and the like.
pyromanta@reddit
I generally say I'm from England. England is a country, the country I live in. The UK is an odd political union because England, Scotland and Wales are on the same landmass and the English kept a bit of Ireland.
The British thing is odd, more of a cultural identity than a nationality, although 'White British' is still what I have to put on forms.
I don't mind being described as British or English, but you'll find Scottish and Welsh people will much prefer to be described as Scottish or Welsh, may be bother by being described as British and will be offended to be described as English, which is understandable.
People from Ireland (Republic of, RoI) are not British, they are Irish. In Northern Ireland it varies what people prefer; they're all Irish but some would also consider themselves British.
The vast majority of people from out little clutch of islands wouldn't refer to themselves as 'from the UK' as we doing really have a 'UK' national identity. It's factually correct but doesn't feel right.
No-Banana-3140@reddit
I think we’re just proud of our heritage. I’m Welsh.
The-Mandolinist@reddit
I used to say I was English (1980s - when I was a kid) I feel like that was the default - for people from England - and you see that further back as well - interviews with English musicians from the 1960s, English poets before that - most notably Rupert Brooke’s The Soldier, “…there’s some corner of a foreign field that is forever England…”
I think the rest of the UK often didn’t get included by the English- much the same way that Americans can be seen to be ignorant of geography by referring to “England” when they mean the UK. I think the foundation of that view was reinforced by English people travelling abroad.
These days I’m more likely to say that I’m from the UK, or British - but might add that I’m English (although it’s pretty obvious that I am as soon as I open my mouth- to people from other countries I am often their stereotypical Englishman of old - in the way I speak, in my social awkwardness etc). I think the shift has happened because I feel united with fellow Brits from across the Isles - but I also identify as European (so may be clear where I stand on Brexit).
Also - I think anyone born or with citizenship is British and/or, depending upon which of the countries within the Kingdom they were born and raised, they are English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish.
Add to that - in spite of the Received Pronunciation I speak (modified over the years to incorporate Northern vowels) I also identify as Northern (even though I wasn’t born in the North - I have lived here for more than 45 years and have never lived anywhere south of Birmingham- where I was born).
gnarlstonnn@reddit
i say Both, i guess i say UK more because thats normally what you have to put on online forms,
if i want to be more precise England.
GOF63@reddit
I’m British because, my mother was Scottish, her parents were Northern Irish, my father was Welsh, his mother was Welsh, his father was a true Cockney and I was born in a British military hospital on the island of Malta. I am also a disabled veteran. It’s a bit of a mouthful to say, I’m from the United Kingdom’s of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Prestigious_Shoe_641@reddit
I say I’m from Yorkshire
Wonkey-Donkey59@reddit
Ffs he’s a comedian, he’s joking people! 🙄
Wonkey-Donkey59@reddit
I’m British, I never say I’m English, just something I never think about.
Nosey2parker@reddit
For me it’s just because I’m English. I have Welsh & Scottish family but my immediate family are all from England. It’s that basic. I also work for a Scottish company. If you ask a lot of English people about politics most people I speak to are Green voters. Maybe that’s who I associate with though but we’re not all the same, the same as everyone in Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland aren’t the same.
No-Maintenance3849@reddit
Most English people will say UK/British. Other places got separatist movements. Blair gave them many local powers, such as in education where they teach history in a way to separate themselves from the rest of the UK.
Vegetable_River_8553@reddit
I hadn’t really thought about why I have a preference before, but I definitely do, as I immediately started my post with ‘I’m from the UK’. I would rather say that than say I’m English or British. It depends on context and the phrasing of the question as well though.
If the context was lots of people from all over the UK and I was asked, and it was clear it was meant to be which part of the UK/Britain then I’d say English. But I feel like it narrows you down to being just one thing, whereas my family has roots from various places around the world.
I would assume it has a lot to do with national identity, pride and how you’ve been brought up? I feel like people from Scotland or Wales, for example, have a stronger identity and pride. Whereas I feel like in England there’s less of that. It’s obviously not true for everyone, but I’m not particularly political or into football, so being so specific as to say English seems a little unnecessary for me
Busy-Doughnut6180@reddit
I think there are a few reasons I say I'm British when talking to people online.
One is that it is usually what people outside of the UK refer to me as, and it also acts as a way to be a bit vague about where I'm from exactly.
Another reason is because I'm into learning languages and it has just become a habit to use English for the language and British for the identity. Sentences can get confusing when talking about being English and talking about the language at the same time.
I'm also not English in terms of ethnicity. And I rarely say I'm English in real life, it's more common at least in my city to say what your ethnic background is. So it feels a bit weird to say that I'm English.
Sometimes, I might mention being British while talking about cultural behaviours. There are some things that are common across the whole of the UK, and I don't really know what things are exclusive to English people. So I prefer using British in those instances so that it is more inclusive. I also sometimes say European instead for the same reason.
So all of that together, I just got used to defaulting to British online. In person, if I was in another country introducing myself, I think I'd just phrase it as "I'm from England" instead.
Piptoporus@reddit
When travelling, I say I'm from the UK when I don't care about continuing the conversation, for example:
Random American asks on the bus "hey where are you guys from? Answer: "The UK."
Random American who I've been sat next to at the pool / bar / etc talking about other topics with asks "so where are you guys from?" Answer: "From Northern England, about an hour or so from Manchester"
doc1442@reddit
If someone asks me directly if I’m from the UK, I’ll say yes.
If someone asks me openly where I’m from, I’ll say Wales.
Pickle__nic@reddit
If you’re met with a loud confused “HUH?” enough times you switch to UK. Mostly I’d say England, because most of the time I’m not on holiday. I used to say Britain before I travelled a lot. Just lots of countries refer to us as United Kingdom
Lady_Deathfang@reddit
I usually say I'm British or from the UK. I don't even know why, I just do 🤷🏾♀️ maybe it's because my family history spans beyond the UK so I subconsciously don't specific that I'm from England. I honestly have no idea.
Dry-Foot1480@reddit
The one’s who call themselves a Brit are the nonces
Reasonable-Plane8367@reddit
Am fae Scotland and will always say am Scottish. Not British and not English always Scottish 🏴🏴
Every_Individual_25@reddit
I’m a Brit or I’m from the UK. Scots and Welsh tend to stipulate their heritage more often, from personal experience.
Necessary-Nobody8138@reddit
If you are from California-I’m sure you would just say that. No need to say ‘USA’ - same with Texas
CuppaTea_Digestive@reddit
More proud of my Scottish identity - despite or because of growing up in England - and I’d rather disassociate myself from the politics of Westminster. We are share many things in common but we are different countries and cultures in a union. So you refer to yourself with whatever makes most sense or meaning.
Character_Major_5634@reddit
I say I am from earth.
Dan_Quixote_@reddit
I say UK because I feel a degree of shame about England/The English/Englishness. And by that I mean the South.
llynglas@reddit
I suspect N Irish, Scots or Welsh people will tend to give their birth country. Someone from England is probably identifies 50/50 as English vs UK. I think the difference is that non English want to try to retain their identity and to many folk assume England and the UK synonymous.
Maximum_Bee_3054@reddit
I'm Welsh but would sometimes if dealing with an American, say that I was British or "from the UK" to avoid the irritating "Wales? Where is that? Is that in England?" type questions.
In the UK I would always say I am Welsh.
5minutespiece@reddit
Im from the south of England. Born and raised. However, my mums family is from NI, I tend to just say im British but ive never really thought abojt it to be honest
Ok_Claim2613@reddit
I don't think it's anything political. Americans are dumb, almost ignorant of names of other counties, their geographical location, continents, languages...they just know America and American and probably mexican.so the people you are asking as just giving you an answer in the hope you know what they are talking about.
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
Personally, I have always felt Welsh first and foremost. I have never felt particularly "British" - I don't know if it's because of the damage England did to my ancestors and the language they spoke - and I now do not. We also have absolutely no representation on the UK flag.
People on the right of politics, who vote Reform and think the sun shines out of Nigerl Farage's arse are usually OBSESSED with being what they call "British" - but what in reality is English.
If I am abroad, I would never say that I am British, partially because of all the colonial bullshit that comes with!
Low_profile_1789@reddit
Whilst abroad, responding with “Welsh,” did you then have to explain Wales?
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
I can't remember exactly (it's been over a decade since I have been abroad) but I imagine it would have gone something like:
Them: Where are you from?
Me: Wales
Them: ???
Me: Wales, in the UK - Britain
Them: ooooh England?
Me: 😐
Low_profile_1789@reddit
“…. whoawhoawhoaaaa…” my brain completed the lyrics and now it’s stuck in my head 😂 thanks for that!!
DangerousDisplay7664@reddit
🐈
the_speeding_train@reddit
Wales is certainly doing better with not being fascist like the English.
Gluzruooplaxcamphian@reddit
I guess I'd say I'm English but I have little affinity to either British or English culturally and I'm trying to move away when I can financially do so.
Although culture is often invisible in the many ways that it influences me so no doubt there's behaviour and ideas shaped by where I've grown up regardless of how I feel about it.
Salty_Preference6628@reddit
What you have seen is there is zero clarity on this and it appears everyone has a different interpretation based on what they thought as a child/nan said and nothing to do with anything. Here are my thoughts based on that reasoning.
I always thought you would say you were British because that was a term made up to make people feel like they were part of something when they weren’t actually English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish.
I am English and from England. I do not connect this with the far right and don’t see anything inflammatory, wrong or nationalist about that. It is true. I also see it distinct from Welsh/Scottish/Irish nationalities and cultures.
I would never ever use the UK to describe where I am from. I only use it for telephone codes or buying things on line.
Low_profile_1789@reddit
This is interesting, for outsiders, can you explain the last bit about not saying you’re “from the UK” - like why is that bad?
Salty_Preference6628@reddit
It’s not bad. It just would never cross my mind to say. As in, it’s just not on my radar as a thing to say as where I am from. When I asked my kids what they thought about where they were from and did they think of themselves as being from the UK- they said they only hear American people say the UK.
Low_profile_1789@reddit
Ah, got it, it’s a vocabulary or turn of phrase difference. The other day I had to re-read a whole paragraph about what people meant by Britain, Great Britain, or the UK, and have already forgotten again. 😆
Fantastic-Pear6241@reddit
For Americans most Scottish and Welsh folk will specificy their country because too often Americans conflate UK and England as the same thing.
Curious_Octopod@reddit
If you're Northern Irish, Scottish or Welsh you can have pride in your heritage. If you're English and have pride in your heritage it means you're a racist, far right, nazi bigot. Apparently.
RodeoBoss66@reddit
That's interesting. You sound like some Americans, particularly certain folks from the South. Invariably they're of European descent, including Americans of English descent (like myself, although I don't really think that way), and the same type of sentiment has been expressed. I understand it, but I think it's a matter of how that ethnic pride is expressed that can often rub others the wrong way.
Let's face it, brother: the English, both in the British Isles and in other parts of the world during the Colonial Era (which was fairly a long time, and only recently can be considered to have ended) did a lot of damage to a lot of people, in various ways. (The same can be said of Americans of European descent, of course, both domestically and internationally, so I'm hardly pointing the finger or making any excuses.) Those people are just now starting their recovery and healing from that period. So unfortunately any celebrations of our ethnic pride have to be tempered a bit when expressed in the wider mainstream society.
Eventually most people will be healed and will be better able to recognize and maybe even appreciate expressions of ethnic English pride without getting upset, but it will probably take a long time, possibly longer than our respective individual lifetimes.
Curious_Octopod@reddit
England was no worse or different to any other colonial power, but also spread justice, free speech, railways, vaccines, penicillin, ending sati, ending the slave trade (which we only finished paying for in 2015). "These people are just now starting their recovery"? From what? They weren't even alive then! and if you want to talk about the legacy of slavery, consider that the word slave comes from slav, east europeans enslaved by the barbary trade, many English and other europeans were also enslaved (in the millions) and that even after the north atlantic slave trade was stopped, african nations continued to capture and trade slaves via other routes.
RodeoBoss66@reddit
OK, well, so much for having a civil discussion. I'll see myself out.
Ok-Airport-6058@reddit
Us English mongrols gotta stick together
cakesforever@reddit
That bit about England is bs, not everyone who has pride is racist. Unfortunately there are far too many knobheads who are uneducated and are racist.
Joneb1999@reddit
There is generally a big difference in Scottish attitude from English and I'm pretty sure the same goes for all the countries of the UK. The proper title for the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland where Great Britain is Scotland, England and Wales on the same land mass. Yet again, the island group in the same area of Great Britain is known as the British Isles but only geographically. Still the UK is mired in geo politics, cultural attitude and religious ideology determining whether someone says they are British or of a particular member country quite often. In addition there are those obsessed by everything being exactly correct no matter any influence just like grammar police. So you can see it all so easily complex and everyone just picks what suits them.
smg658@reddit
Scottish. Never have been or will be British.
AdOk9572@reddit
I say British because frankly there are a group of people who call themselves English who are racist knuckle draggers and I don't want associating with that lot thanks.
Sunshinegoat@reddit
There's also the consideration of perceived knowledge/ignorance: Having been out in the States back in 2015 with people from England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Ireland, we quickly learnt that a large proportion of Americans that we interacted with did not have the knowledge to differentiate between the UK, Great Britain or the constituents (or that Ireland is neither a part of GB or UK). My Welsh friend got fed up of explaining that Wales is a country.
We opted to say British/from the UK because it was more simple than getting into specifics for our US audience.
-mmmusic-@reddit
because we can, really.
i could say english or british, or 'from the uk'.
usually i say british.
Landerolin@reddit
I was born in Scotland and lived there til I was 21 and joined the military. For many years I'd refer to myself as British - I thought the independence movement was foolish and that we were better off as a unified entity.
Then along came Brexit and the rise of the flag-shaggers. Being British became co-opted by Islamophobes, transphobes, and racists. England voted for the most self-harming piece of ill-informed idiocy since Eve thought "Ooh, that apple looks tasty!" and dragged Scotland along with it. The resultant meltdown of politics in the UK just reinforced the point - England is the abusive partner in our relationship, and the sooner we separate the better.
Advanced_Gate_3352@reddit
I'm British, from England. The British bit sort of encompasses more of the culture I identify with, and so that's how I see myself.
coveredinbreakfast@reddit
My English husband says he is English first and British second.
cathie10101@reddit
I was born in scotland.and have lived in southeast England for many years.
imratherconfused@reddit
I'm a pole from Scotland. it deffo makes a diff. listen carefully: the UK is not what u think it is. every part of it has its own identity and the English claim it all. as simple as that. when a Scotsman says they're Scottish British, they mean exactly that. when they're Scottish, they mean exactly that. does it make sense?
TattieMafia@reddit
Both are true, it's just a preference and sometimes it depends on who you are speaking to. Some people don't know where Scotland is, then I say UK and they know where it is. I usually say I'm from Scotland but sometimes I meet other people from the UK and then I'd say we're from the UK.
jaydubyah100@reddit
I say British. I’m English but live in Wales, married Welsh and my kids are Welsh.
Mobile_Falcon8639@reddit
Generally it's got nothing to do with politics. It's that England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales are different countries with their own languages, culture and history. So yeah people identify with the country they from. Some people are very nationalistic in the UK, others like me are indifferent.
Bright-Ad9305@reddit
Scot’s are Scottish. The Welsh are Welsh. The Irish are Irish. All of this is ok. The English are British because being English is nationalistic and that is bad.
- my Nan
Hot_Hat_6526@reddit
It will be interesting what becomes of English nationalism if the other UK nations get independence with all three having nationalist, separatist parties in power at the moment
dickybeau01@reddit
It’s not as if Farage isn’t a separatist. However England retains its imperialist ambitions. Why else would the mayor of Manchester be styled ‘king in the North’ by some when Manchester is barely the U.K. midlands. (He’s more likely a ‘Clown Prince)
NinecloudSoul@reddit
Did you forget your pills today?
dickybeau01@reddit
Not sure what pills you mention. Should I have taken some or forgotten them. I’m sure your statement means something to you
NinecloudSoul@reddit
You should take them as prescribed. You'll be confused about these comments when you're lucid again.
dickybeau01@reddit
My comments are clear. Manchester isn’t the North’ . Burnham is just as much a disaster for the Labour Party in Scotland as any of his predecessors, Farage is a separatist in that he drove Brexshit. If he got in to power Britain would have 4 not 3 ‘separatist’ governments. I get that for the hard of thinking like you, with no cogent thought you could only rely on bigotry and ignorance but I’m used to that kind of crap from the politically incontinent
NinecloudSoul@reddit
Oh, dear. Do you need us to call someone for you?
beeurd@reddit
I say I'm British because half my family is English and half is Scottish.
Frodo34x@reddit
My dad's whole side of the family plus my maternal grandfather's family are all English, but I was born and have always lived in Scotland so I've always identified primarily as Scottish. I think if I were born in England to a ¾ mix (in either direction) I'd probably feel primarily British though. Identity is interesting
ldn85@reddit
Both of my parents are Scottish, but I was born and raised in England, so I normally say “British” if asked. Still support Scotland in football & rugby though!
itsableeder@reddit
My dad was born in Glasgow but moved to Wales when he was 4, and then to England in his 20s, and he always called himself Scottish. (He also affected a Glaswegian accent until the day he died but that's because he was a twat.) His whole side of the family are either Scottish or Welsh and my mum's family are all Irish.
I very much identify as British despite being born and (mostly) raised in England.
As you say, it's an interesting thing.
superfiud@reddit
3 of my kids were born in England but we moved (home for me) to Wales before they started school and they all consider themselves Welsh. I'm Welsh and their father's English. I think if you have parents in one country were born in another and raised somewhere else then home is where the heart is.
emerald7777777@reddit
I say I’m British because although I’m mostly English, my grandma was half Scottish and half Welsh.
Specialist-Prior-213@reddit
Same here, plus a bit of Welsh and Irish (like 5% each)
travelingwhilestupid@reddit
Not true. Half of Northern Ireland will say they're from the UK, the other half say they're from Ireland, while the other half will say they're from Northern Ireland.
HaggisPope@reddit
Vote early, vote often
travelingwhilestupid@reddit
...
HaggisPope@reddit
It’s a thing I read once about elections in NI. People voted multiple times at different polling stations, I figured the comment I was responding to was about irregular voting patterns
travelingwhilestupid@reddit
lol, nope! just a dumb stupid joke!
tittysherman1309@reddit
It all depends where they keep their toaster
travelingwhilestupid@reddit
Sounds about right. Humans will divide and fight over trivial things.
WorcsBloke@reddit
But what do they say when offered cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick?
Bright-Ad9305@reddit
As long as it’s a legitimate and peaceful request. That William Ulsterman gets everywhere!
ReinforcedTube@reddit
MISSUS BINFIELD!
FoggingTheView@reddit
Yum
Fit-Case-7857@reddit
Them bloody 150% irishers are a bloody nightmare
pharmamess@reddit
Read back what you wrote. 3 halves. Impossible.
Fine-Huckleberry4165@reddit
In Northern Ireland anything is possible.
PorFavorNoMore@reddit
We just ordered two pizzas. My wife ate half a pizza. I ate... wait, you're right... it's impossible to know.
PassiveTheme@reddit
... I think that's the joke...
Prestigious_Target86@reddit
He is from the UK.
PM_ME_U_SMILING@reddit
Stranger things have happened.
sock_cooker@reddit
So that's 1.5?
itsableeder@reddit
And the half who'll say they're from the north of Ireland, not Northern Ireland.
LupercalLupercal@reddit
Three halves?
Ems118@reddit
About 43% call themselves British
Psychological-Sea785@reddit
Agreed I just said something similar.
Vermillion_oni@reddit
I’m from the UK but I’m English..
superfiud@reddit
There's been research (e.g. into national identity and the Brexit vote) which says your nan is not wrong.
No-Stomach2714@reddit
I don't think that's quite right. Most English people, when talking about travelling, will always say e.g. "when I flew back to England". As a Welsh person I've always noted that as most Welsh people don't say "flying back to Wales". It would either be Cardiff or the UK. Obviously part of that is because a lot of times you'd be using Gatwick or Heathrow, but it's a little insight into how English people think of the UK.
Alternative_Way_2700@reddit
I normally just say going home.....or the UK. I never say going back to England.
Nice_Back_9977@reddit
So if I'm flying into Heathrow or Manchester its somehow English arrogance for me to say I'm flying back to England rather than just, you know, accurate?
No-Stomach2714@reddit
Not the point I was making but ok.
Nice_Back_9977@reddit
It’s thoughtless to use the word England when referring to England? Ok then.
No-Stomach2714@reddit
Fucking hell. Read the first post in the thread I was responding to for context.
AshaNyx@reddit
Also I say I'm British because it's a lot easier than having to explain half my family is Scottish, a quarter is English and the rest is random places from the Commonwealth.
Trips-Over-Tail@reddit
The association with that attitude has caused a lot of people to pull away from the identity. I won't even use the flag, and when I see someone who does use it I brace myself for either football or racism and it has never not been one of the two
panic_attack_999@reddit
This. I'm sure there are people out there somewhere who fly the George cross and aren't football idiots or racists, but I've never met any of them.
Dashcamkitty@reddit
Not true. I'm Scottish and I go between introducing myself as Scottish or British depending on who I'm speaking to or my mood. I'll often say I'm British if I'm abroad then elaborate further by saying I'm from Scotland.
Nice_Back_9977@reddit
Well Ireland is a totally separate country so it would be weird if they said they were British.
Fun_Marionberry_6088@reddit
Probably not advisable to say that in East Belfast.
Fit-Case-7857@reddit
In my experience, no one introduces themselves as from a country, the conversation ordinarily goes , hi, I’m (insert name), oh hi, I’m (insert name), love your accent, where are you from? (Insert country).
I’m English and from England, if I was Welsh I’d say I’m from Wales, and so on, I would never say I’m from the UK, or I’m British, even though I am and have no problem with being so.
CuriousGeorgeToday@reddit
Said noone but your nan.
West-Season-2713@reddit
It can be a political statement, or simply a personal one. If someone insists on one or the other, then it probably has something to do with a political belief and opinions about the union. I usually describe myself as British, though, for a number of reasons. I have west country heritage and that feels its own distinct thing that isn’t quite ‘English’, I moved to Wales very young and learned the language and became obsessed with the culture, as a young teenager I then moved to the North on the Scottish border for a number of years, and then returned to the southwest as an adult. Having connections to the whole island and a love of all of the cultures on offer, I feel more nebulously British, though often I think of myself as variously Welsh or Cornish.
Bam-Skater@reddit
Scottish, not British...it's political.
OliviaSparkly20@reddit
guess it’s a way to pivot the conversation, or maybe just their own identity crisis. who knows.
Far-Moment2643@reddit
I would describe myself as English, but if you asked where I was from I’d say the UK. I’d imagine Scottish, Welsh and North Irish people are more likely to say they’re from Scotland/Wales/Ireland than the UK - they generally seem to have a much stronger sense of national identity than the English. I don’t know many people who describe themselves as British, I think Americans use that term more than we do.
watsnewturn@reddit
'England' as a whole concept is virtually indistinguishable from the devastating, global and neighbouring colonial, imperialist violence enacted by Westminster. I'm from West Yorkshire, generational poverty, never been more than an hour outside the north. Long line of domestic servants and coal miners. I feel no connection to the nationality of 'english' because the English governent have never much existed to serve my community. if I have to describe myself as anything I'll say 'northern' or I'll just go really broad and all-encompassing and say 'european'. if I had it my way, there'd be irish re-unification, Scottish and Welsh independence and the area formerly known as 'England' would balkanise with Scotland hopefully absorbing us in Yorkshire into Greater Scotland.
susiemcnaughty@reddit
I say I’m Scottish because I am
extrabox@reddit
Wouldn't want to be mistaken for being English!
SeniorDisplay1820@reddit
People who say Scottish instead of British are potentially more likely to support independence. But that's not at all a guarantee.
I'd say Scottish and I don't support independence so... Not always true. But more likely
0oO1lI9LJk@reddit
Scottish identity is interesting in that it is felt strongly by people on both sides of the issue. Here in Catalonia for example only Catalan independentists really consider themselves Catalan first.
SeniorDisplay1820@reddit
Maybe that is because Catalonia is only a region and Scotland is a country, even if it's within the wider UK?
I don't know
Fun_Marionberry_6088@reddit
I'm not sure that's true tbf. Catalonia has at least as much claim to nationhood as Wales does.
Former principality absorbed into a neighbouring Kingdom, its own legal system (which Wales doesn't), it's own language, its government describes it as a nation.
SeniorDisplay1820@reddit
But Wales IS currently recognised as a country.
Catalonia isn't.
I suppose it's not about validity of the claim, but the current situation. Wales being a country means people on the fence feel more comfortable maybe?
Again, I'm sure you know a hell of a lot more. So I'll trust you.
quartersessions@reddit
"Country" presumably in this context means "state" or "nation". Neither Scotland nor Catalonia are the former, and Catalonia has just as much claim to the latter as Wales.
There's not some sort of objective definition of what constitutes a nation. Which is one of the weaknesses of nationalist ideology, incidentally: it's based on generalisations across millions of people on things like ethnicity, culture and identity. Generalisations which, most often, don't hold true.
RudeEnergy385@reddit
Scotland is a separate legal jurisdiction though and always has been; not sure if Catalonia is the same? Having distinctive laws and courts systems, etc, might contribute to this in some places…? Just a thought! It’s definitely not a clear cut thing. People in Cornwall sometimes claim to be totally separate from England, which I assume is based on Wagner’s Tristan und Isolde
libtin@reddit
Catalonia is the same, as is Bavaria, Texas, Hawaii and Quebec
No it doesn’t as many places have them
ConfidentAd4974@reddit
Apart from the devolved powes, in Catalonia we still retain a tiny part of our legal ststem in the form of private law and local governments (the municipalities). Not the public law as in Scotland, but our country is not simply a region either.
0oO1lI9LJk@reddit
In many ways Catalonia has more autonomy than Scotland does. Country is just a label, it doesn't have any real meaning. Why is Scotland a country but Bavaria isn't?
ConfidentAd4974@reddit
Not officially, but we are a country.
SeniorDisplay1820@reddit
Yes I didn't mean to get involved in any debates or anything like that.
I just meant officially. Sorry if that is offensive. Should have been more careful
Iamtir3dtoday@reddit
Yup, this is why I say I'm Scottish rather than British or from the UK
Sudden-Requirement40@reddit
I don't think there is any correlation there. All my family myself included would say Scottish and none of us voted for independence. Same with my friends.
SeniorDisplay1820@reddit
My thoughts were simply that EVERY supporter of independence would say Scottish, and some unionists would say British instead of Scottish.
I don't know if that makes sense.
LostLoch@reddit
I’d say this is accurate. I’m Scottish (pro Indy) and couldn’t imagine saying “I’m British” lol. It’s not a matter of protest or making a political statement though, it just doesn’t come naturally or feel right.
Sudden-Requirement40@reddit
I think most Scots would say Scottish in my experience anyway
Fun_Marionberry_6088@reddit
Yh, I'd say I'm Scottish first but I feel a strong affinity to my British identity too.
In my experience Americans actually find that pretty easy to understand - it's not a million miles away from the way e.g. a Texan or a New Yorker might see themselves.
Kanebass98@reddit
I'm in the same boat. I'm Scottish first and foremost. I'm also British and don't want Scottish independence
NutAli@reddit
Preference for where you're ACTUALLY from.
I was born in Northumberland, which is in England itself. I consider myself English. But I'm also a Geordie, which is a North Eastern kind of sub-culture. Like the people of, say, Yorkshire & Lancashire, we have our own accents. Pretty much like any place you go to, most everyone has an accent of the area they grew up in!
The UK is England, Northern Ireland, Wales, & Scotland. But these are also run by their own kind of mini governments as well as the main government for the UK.
Scotland, for instance, has it's own money and lots of places in England won't accept Scottish money, but will accept the euro.
N. Ireland also has regional money. Wales doesn't, they just use the British money.
We do not need passports to travel between these places. Although we may need translators to help us cope with their regional accents. 😅
Those from Wales are Welsh & are bringing back their Welsh language quite well, as it was dying out. Although you see their road signs etc in English & Welsh. From N. Ireland they are Irish & speak both Irish English & Irish Gaelic, from Scotland they speak English with a Scottish accent & also some Scottish Gaelic.
Scottish & Irish Gaelic are separate languages. I think they have common ancestors & may look similar when written down, but they are definitely different from one another.
So, whilst we seem to be from the same country we are actually from different countries that have been bunched together to make a Kingdom, hence the United Kingdom!
tenaji9@reddit
Londoner
Mikon_Youji@reddit
I wouldn't say it has anything to do with politics, not usually at least. Some British people simply prefer to be a little more specific about where their from for various reasons, while others are more general about it.
notspringsomnia@reddit
Sometimes it can be political but in my instance I was born and raised in England so that’s simply where I say I’m from. I either say I’m English or a Londoner if people ask me. Some regional identities are strong in the UK, so some people may prefer to identify with them. Liverpool, Yorkshire and Cornwall tend to do this a lot.
Indigo-Waterfall@reddit
Why do people in American say they are from America / The states / California / LA, all can be correct.
Particular-Lime1651@reddit
I'm Scottish... Not English.. Not Welsh.. Not Irish. Scottish first, British second.
brynnafidska@reddit
The UK is just the latest propaganda after 900 years of English colonialism where we started with our nearest and dearest.
When there's hundreds of years of language, religious, and national identity persecution it shouldn't be surprising that the, not-even-230-year-old, British identity is rejected by many. And that doesn't even take into account that the other identities are literally a thousand years older!
wscottwatson@reddit
Having grown up in various different countries, I tend to say British. My mother was from central Scotland. My father was from Orkney which is very much NOT in Scotland. My siblings and I would get our grandfather talking about it. He'd been in the British army. Nobody in Orkney voted for the Scottish nationalist party. They had never spoken Gaelic. With mixed parentage, I get to choose. I reflexively say "British" when asked.
Chickennoodlesleuth@reddit
Its not political its just how different people say it
IntrepidTension2330@reddit
Scottish and I always say im scottish never British it is political I want independence. Not Westminster ruling over us.
emojess3105@reddit
I say I'm British Cos I'm half English and half Scotish.
_Cridders_@reddit
I tell people I'm mixed race because my Dad is from London and my mum was from Newcastle
Korovyev__@reddit
Can you speak both languages? I moved to London from Newcastle hoping to learn English. Failed. Like.
clutchnorris123@reddit
Im born and raised in Scotland with an English dad and I always say im Scottish.
0oO1lI9LJk@reddit
Similar boat for me. I live abroad so I could go into detail about my heritage or why I have this accent and not another, but it's easier to just say I'm British and not bore foreigners with my internal identity crisis. I find they usually don't care one way or another.
-cunningstunt@reddit
Exactly the same as me, one English parent and one Scottish. Although I go between saying I’m British or English, as I’ve mostly been raised in England and feel more English
Korovyev__@reddit
During my 10 year sojourn in London, I spent more time telling people where I'm NOT from.
'NO, I'm not fucking Welsh/Scottish/South African/Irish. I'm from Newcastle'.
FootballPublic7974@reddit
Northumbrian first. Then British.
English means nothing to me due to it's association with the SE and people who like to have sex with flags.
Ashamed_North348@reddit
If you live in wales your Welsh, same as Scotland, Ireland or England, you are proud of your roots, then you’re British x
Hopefullytodaymate@reddit
English is an ethnic group, therefore some people cannot be English and must call themselves British.
OnPointTip1@reddit
No it's isn't. What an absolute crock of shit. Any ethnicity born in England is English, if they prefer that title
white_hart_2@reddit
r/conidentlyincorrect
Scottish mother...Welsh father...born in Newcastle...does NOT make you English.
"English by birth", at a push...but you would be Half Scottish, Half Welsh.
OnPointTip1@reddit
English isn't a fucking ethnicity, ffs
white_hart_2@reddit
Didn't say it was.
Get back in your box, dick.
Diddleymaz@reddit
A national identity is not an ethnicity.
OnPointTip1@reddit
English is a nationality not a fucking ethnicity 🤣
OnPointTip1@reddit
I never said it was. You did.
DisagreeableRunt@reddit
E, E, EDL type, I imagine.
Hopefullytodaymate@reddit
Crock? 🙄
BeaumarchaisApu@reddit
This is bullshit.
Then-Fortune-3122@reddit
Comment deleted😂😂
Hopefullytodaymate@reddit
That's false and you communists know it.
Diddleymaz@reddit
Actually English is not an ethnicity. There are far too many disparate peoples who over time have settled in the part of the UK called England.
razzdings@reddit
The Welsh and the Scottish hate the English so they separate themselves from us 😅
ShreddedBanjoString@reddit
I say UK and British because that’s what Americans understand. If I say England / English it seems to confuse them and I can’t be arsed with the awkwardness.
Although I did have a conversation with an American lady once who asked where I was from and when I said The UK she thought I was say ‘The Yukon’.
cathb1980@reddit
I say Welsh cos I am Welsh. Plus there are so many ‘English tourist’ stereotypes out there, I try and avoid being lumped in with them wherever possible
neverbound89@reddit
It really depends on who I am talking too. I have met Americans who don't know what Wales is for example so sometimes I dumb it down.
Personnally my identity is a little bit nuaunced and changes overtime. Genuinelly sometimes I feel British, other times Welsh, on occasion English but never Scottish.
I imagine many people are the same especially if they have moved round the UK.
publiusnaso@reddit
I wasn’t bought up in the U.K., but I live in England, and I’m a mongrel with ancestry from each of the constituent countries, so “British” seems the most accurate, and I don’t have to say English, which is too politically loaded.
Incident-Putrid@reddit
Honestly ? It just depends I. The day of the week. Some times I’m British, sometimes I’m English and sometimes I’m from the UK.
But your observation of Irish, Welsh and Scottish is also correct. The English past on the whole doesn’t shine when it comes to treatment of their subjects.
daldredv2@reddit
Thinking about it, I'd say I'm English, but I'd say I'm from the UK. My mother was Northern Irish, which might influence me in that.
But it might depend on the situation. If someone else has just said they're from the USA then I'd say I'm from the UK; but if they'd said 'from California' I'd probably say 'from England' - kind of matching the level they've started with.
(If they say they are 'from America' I'm sometimes snarky enough to say I'm from Europe!).
evelynsmee@reddit
Because as a mix of Welsh, Scottish, and English I'm British not English. Other people might have a history only from one, or be a mix but pick just one. Others don't like the link between Englishness and nationalism. We self identify and there isn't only one rule or reason why.
ApricotFew6579@reddit
A lot of us don’t want to be associated with English government. Usually unionists that say Brit or uk
TuneNo136@reddit
I always say Wales because that is my country, and I want to make it absolutely clear I have nothing to do with or any respect for the Union Jack or the despicable racist British Empire, Royal family or anything “England” stands for.
christianjwaite@reddit
I’d say from England, or from the UK, never from Great Britain for some reason, sounds braggy.
Dunno, just choice at the time, I don’t think about it.
Flat_Scene9920@reddit
I say I'm from the UK as I'm a UK forces brat, born in an army hospital in Germany
Excellent_Swim_2721@reddit
It’s not political if you’re not from northern Ireland Scotland or wales. It’s usually a clear sign of allegiance to your actual country of birth as opposed to the union.
Ropapict@reddit
I was born in and grew up in England and tended to use British as a more "inclusive" descriptor as someone from Britain who noticed Englishness was being defined further and further away from how I saw myself.
I moved to Scotland and I realised that despite calling myself British, I knew nothing about Britain and was using it interchangeably with English. It has a completely different connotation here and again was not a group I saw myself as part of.
Been here for the past decade and use 'live in Scotland' or 'born in England' depending on how I'm feeling, what we're talking about (relevance) and how i think the person I'm speaking to understands it
PettyPapaya@reddit
is this rage bait lmao
Maleficent-Blood1371@reddit
I just tell everyone I’m from Yorkshire!
OliLeeLee36@reddit
"How do you know if someone is from Yorkshire..."
Great-Stick-6498@reddit
It's like wild swimmers, vegans, people who have just bought an air fryer or had a recent ADHD diagnosis - they will tell you within the first 30 seconds of being introduced.
Fit-Case-7857@reddit
Cause they’ll saaaay what thee liiike and they’ll liiike what thee bloody well saaaay
Cheese-n-Opinion@reddit
I find the smell is a dead giveaway
Great-Stick-6498@reddit
You can always tell a Yorkshireman.
But you can't tell him so much
itsaride@reddit
Fit-Case-7857@reddit
No silly, it’s in south west no one gives a fuck
fire__munki@reddit
Cornish here! Some counties are weirdly proud (as we should be!)
Fit-Case-7857@reddit
This a great idea, they’ll immediately assume you know absolutely everything about about absolutely everything and be as impressed as the rest of us that aren’t from Yorkshire
Big_Look5729@reddit
To simplify, "British by Birth, Welsh by the Grace of God." Welsh can be substituted for English, Scots or Irish depending on where you were born. In the case of the Irish Republic which is not in the UK but is geographically forever a part of the British Isles, even the Irish republicans are British by Birth.🇬🇧🏴🏴😄😄😄
Great-Stick-6498@reddit
Usually say that I'm British. If they want to know any more then I'm Scouse. Having Grandparents from England, Scotland, Wales and the Irish Republic then it seems the most appropriate - Scouse is a stew of many ingredients
Big_Look5729@reddit
It's a British thing, as an American you wouldn't understand it because the nation you are lucky enough to live in was Not the territory of your ancestors, you took it off the native american tribes. Whereas the UK made up of England, Wales, Scotland and N/Ireland is the Land of our Ancestors whether we are English, Welsh, Scots or Irish. 🇬🇧🏴🏴
freebiscuit2002@reddit
The same reason some Yanks introduce themselves as from the US and others as Californian/Texan/Kansan.
Sensitive-Vast-4979@reddit
Well for scots and Welsh its because they dont wana be identified as being English or British (even if no matter what happens even if they left the uk theyd be brits since they're on the island of Britain) , i specify as bring English when abroad since peopel think im Scottish, when I was on a spanish tour bus the tour guide was thinking we werent english its because we're from relly far north east in Northumberland so foreigners think we sounds scottish( we defo dont on berwick area sounds Scottish, but tbh I dont know the difference between how prople sound from Madrid and malaga so its understandable they dont know rhe difference between a southern scot and a northern english )
BeaumarchaisApu@reddit
I was born in England, schooled in England, always lived in England, so I’ll tell people I’m from England.
Particular_Camel_631@reddit
I was born and grew up in England. My mother was born and grew up in Germany. I identify as british.
I can fully understand anyone who doesn’t want to be thought of as English if they are from wales, Scotland or the island of Ireland.
The rest of the world has a habit of assuming that everyone on these sceptered isles is English. We aren’t.
LucyJanePlays@reddit
I was accidentally born in Scotland to a Scottish mother, my Dad was Welsh and I've lived all of my life in England. I say I'm British and from the UK. It encompasses my birth and family history.
LadyBeanBag@reddit
This is how I feel. Scottish father, English mother, raised mostly in England but follow my dad in supporting Scotland football team. I feel British. It feels incorrect to say one or the other when I know I’m not.
ldn85@reddit
Same - Scottish mum & dad but born and raised in London. Follow the Scottish football team (guess you don’t have much choice if you have a Scottish Dad!). Feels weird describing myself as “English”, not offensive - England is a brilliant country - I just feel more British than English.
Cautious_School_2490@reddit
So was I but my parents are Irish. I always say I'm British. It hard to put your finger on it but being British is a bit more generic than being English (which implies a much stronger sense of nationalism than I have).
Ranger_1302@reddit
Even if they were from Northern Ireland then they wouldn’t be British. Britain is only England, Scotland, and Wales.
ldn85@reddit
Britain is England, Scotland and Wales but “British” is the demonym for someone from the United Kingdom (if they so choose, GFA and all that).
BeaumarchaisApu@reddit
My Dad is Welsh, but that’s him, not me. English was always the default generic answer when I grew up (I’m in my 40s), British feels like an extra thought to me.
Alternative_Way_2700@reddit
So was I, however my dad was born in Scotland, so I am British.
Jumpy_Chemistry_417@reddit
Yeah, I think this boils down to how people personally relate to their identity and who they're talking to. I’ve noticed Scots and Welsh tend to lead with their country because it feels more specific and distinct from English identity, especially abroad. Meanwhile, some English people say UK just to avoid sounding like they're making a political statement or because it’s easier for foreigners. At the end of the day, it’s mostly vibes and context, not some secret political code.
Western-Cicada-6195@reddit
I'm Scottish because I live in Scotland. Welsh people live in Wales etc. I only say UK when speaking to people I don't think would know where Scotland is
Bubbly-Material313@reddit
I say English because it's the most accurate. Saying from the UK encourages ignorance of the other accents, and countries. Just like a lot of Americans say "the british accent" when they mean RP, and certainly not Welsh, Scottish , Northern Irish, or even Yorkshire etc.
Hipposplotomous@reddit
Personally? I'm from the English / Welsh borders. My parents are one of each, my accent is a mix, I went to an English school but spent more time with my mother's Welsh family, I have lived on both sides. I do not feel like I can authentically call myself one or the other. If I were to use "English" or "Welsh" either would feel like a lie.
That's long-winded as hell though and no one is ever asking for my whole backstory, so I just say "British".
Remote-Field4624@reddit
Sometimes it's just easier depending say where you from UK or tell you British we sometimes one or all I'm English id say English people think I'm Welsh in places etc.
It's a catch all but trust me we will tell you where we are from. We tell each other enough.
Shout out the Wales massive I would be happy to be part of your people very much by the way. We sound similar and I love your land and art a lot.
This is why op just easier. Because your gonna say oh London anyway or something if your American and no offense. When you hear UK alot of your people.
Just easier and we probably do the same back (we don't)
On our passports says United Kingdom an inside British.
We just made a mess of it all and it's a pain in the arse. And it's hard to explain too so isn't all everyone else tbf.
Beautiful_Rough_6867@reddit
I’m Scottish but I live in Wales and I tend to say that. There is a historical divide between England and Scotland and Wales and people still seem to carry that. Scots and the Welsh are Celts and England are Anglo Saxon so I think that’s why people are more likely to say Wales or Scotland whereas England that tried to take over the whole Kingdom would say British or UK.
Dizzy-Importance-827@reddit
I say im from England because the Uk has 3 countries. If someone doesnt know where England is then i will say in the Uk. I never ever say im British.
FearlessDentist7784@reddit
"The UK" doesn't roll off the tongue nicely. I feel like I'm saying half a short sentence with two letters. The United Kingdom is a mouthful and I suspect that some people might not even understand what the UK is, the fact it's 4 different places can make it confusing.
"Great Britain" sounds like I'm adding an unecessary adjective, akin to saying "The Amazing China" or "Whacky Australia".
England sounds like a proper f'ing name. Unfortunately, it is a bit inaccurate. We don't have English passport. We don't have English birth certificates. They're British passports and British birth certificates. But England is just the best name. As I'm in Latin America, when I'm asked where I'm from, I'll say Inglaterra. For UK, you say Reino Unido, which is again, a mouthful.
I guess one of the benefits of Welsh and Scottish independence is we can finally call England England. Imagine if you're American, but you somehow form a bigger country with Canada and Mexico, and now your name is "North American Federation" or something. Like bruh, I'm not saying that crap. You just say "America". I imagine Americans feel the same about the "United States". There's nothing with the name, it's just a mouth a full, it's almost half a sentence compared to just "America."
TopAd7154@reddit
I say Welsh because I'm Welsh and live in Wales....
govnyuuk@reddit
Why do some Americans call themselves United Statesians and others Texans/Californians/Puerto Ricans etc?
SailAwayMatey@reddit
I was born in England and live in England, hence, I am English.
RobertTheSpruce@reddit
It depends whom I speaking to. If I think they're stupid I'll say I'm from England, if I think you understand what the UK is, I'll say the UK.
WarmJewel@reddit
To say you're from the UK (United Kingdom) or British (British Isles) is generic, they both mean the same thing and mean you're from the same place.
But I'm English as I come from England. That's my nationality. I'm not Scottish, Welsh or Irish (Northern Ireland) even though they're all part of the British Isles.
Feistybaby2000@reddit
For me it depends on context and where I am.
gambiting@reddit
Why do some people say they're from Texas instead of saying they are from US. Same-ish thing.
Ill-Caterpillar6681@reddit
I’m Welsh but when travelling abroad I tend to say I’m British or from the UK. We recently went to Texas for a holiday and most of the Americans we met didn’t know that Wales existed. Cue lots of conversations about Catherine Zeta Jones, Anthony Hopkins and Tom Jones!
Jellybeenjean@reddit
I say Scottish, it's 100% political and you would be surprised at the reaction and change in attitude you see. Much more relaxed interactions and great conversations.
Kay_MUJ@reddit
I always the the UK.
NMc106-@reddit
I'm Scottish, not British.
PolarLocalCallingSvc@reddit
I think there's a bit of a country separation here.
I'm Welsh. If someone asks, I say I'm Welsh. Pretty much everyone else I grew up with I would think would say the same.
My partner is Scottish. If asked she will say she is Scottish.
But I think in England you're getting a more split mix of people saying they are English or British.
This is just anecdotal oh my part though so happy to be corrected.
ExitCheap7745@reddit
Because those who call themselves Welsh, Irish, and Scottish know their history, and what the English did to their ancestors.
MotherofTinyPlants@reddit
Same reason some Americans call themselves Texans or Californians etc.
Some people like the anonymity of the big picture description, some people prefer the specificity of the small picture description.
masha1901@reddit
I don't say my county's name because it sounds rude, so I always say England. Yes, it's Kent, and no I haven't got a strong accent
ChadHanna@reddit
I would say, "I'm from the UK" because though I've always lived in England my father was Irish.
GavUK@reddit
Identity is complex and, depending on a person's circumstances, may be very personal (e.g. affected by their relationship with one or both parents and that parent's ethnic origin and/or declared or perceived identity).
Also it can be simpler when stating your national identity to someone who probably won't have an understanding of the geographical, cultural, and/or personal reasons for saying that identity, to instead say a more widely understood or expected national identity (i.e. 'British' or "from the UK/Britain"), but this can also be a consideration by people here with more complex identities as to what they answer for the same reasons.
Going back to your question about people stating their national identity as English/Scottish/Welsh - Scotland and (at least in some parts) Wales have a strong sense of distinct national identity.
Scotland has always stood apart from England and Wales in a number of aspects going back to the nature of its joining the union - it chose to join, rather than being conquered by England and maintains a separate (although often parallel) legal system. Once the Scottish Parliament was (re-)established in 1999 with certain powers and budget devolved for it to manage instead of the British Government, while the first two elections saw Labour (a party present across the whole UK) win the most seats, every election of the Scottish Parliament since has seen the Scottish National Party (SNP) win the most seats.
Wales was conquered by England in the 13th century and went through various repressions of Welsh culture and language over the centuries until, in more recent times, it was recognised that Welsh culture and language should be supported and encouraged, and with the establishment of the Welsh Senedd (the Welsh Parliament) in 1999 this may have helped foster more of a sense of Welsh identity than previously, although the Welsh nationalist party Plaid Cymru had never got the traction with voters that the SNP does in Scotland. That is until this year (2026) when the two big parties across the UK (Labour and the Conservatives) saw their votes collapse across much of the country and Plaid Cymru won the most seats in the Senedd.
English identity has been complicated by it being seized upon by racists and far-right groups for their own reasons, plus with the British parliament being in England there's less reason to want to emphasise your English identity or even to feel they are different to any great degree. The use of the English flag by the previously mentioned groups has also caused many people to feel uncomfortable to display the flag outside of (or even during) national sporting events. More recently people have started hanging the British flag all over the place (usually very visible but not somewhere permitted to put up flags and signs without permission), generally this is perceived as being for the same racist and far-right reasons as the English flag has been used for.
Northern Ireland is a much more complicated situation, with people there identifying as Irish, British, and/or Northern Irish primarily along religious/community lines due to the historical settlement of Protestants there and the long-time conflicts between opposing nationalist terrorist groups. While these groups supposedly disarmed with the Good Friday agreement many years ago, splinter groups still exist. Politically voting has tended to split mostly along those community lines, although this looks to be softening.
molusc@reddit
I’m Welsh and proud of it so it matters to me that people don’t think I’m English. I’ve got nothing against the English - I live in London and my wife and daughter are English, it’s just that being Welsh is an important part of my identity.
I introduce myself as Welsh if I expect the person to know where that is, or British/UK if not.
CeleryApprehensive83@reddit
Proud to be Scottish, but honestly so many Americans haven’t heard of Scotland, so I always say . I’m from Scotland 🏴 in the UK.
Please know I’m not speaking for all Americans. Just a surprising amount.
Babs_542021@reddit
Most Americans absolutely have heard of Scotland. Large amounts of Americans ancestors come from Scotland. They refer to them as Scot-Irish.
clutchnorris123@reddit
Don't know why the down votes I'm Scottish and the amount of Americans I've heard say Scotch-Irish is insane
Inkyyy98@reddit
Oh, I didn’t realise Scotland was so unknown to so many Americans! I know Wales is (and I’m proud to be Welsh). My secondary school took us to America for a skiing trip, and we gifted the instructors a Welsh flag. They thought it was our school’s flag lol, and that wales was a little town in England.
ayeImur@reddit
No self respecting Scot would ever refer to themselves as British 😂 Scottish all day long 🏴
Egregious67@reddit
Ironically Brit is actually a way to describe the Celtic tribes that first moved to these islands from Europe . Great Britain actually means Greater Britain , an extention of the land of Celts. They are the British Isles, Britian was never actually a place. British is not actually a nationality, it`s a geographic marker.
No_Improvement2317@reddit
I'm probably the definition of British. Scottish dad, English mum with Irish on her side. Born and raised in England, husband is Welsh, and I now live in Wales. But if somebody asks where I'm from, I usually say England, but sometimes UK, depending who is asking and if I can be bothered to explain the set up of the UK.
No-Snow-9605@reddit
I always say Scottish, that is what I am, a proud Scot.
S3F_83@reddit
I’ve never referred to myself as from the UK. No particular reason. If someone asks I’ve always said I’m from Nottingham. Then add England if that means nothing to them.
Do Yanks really say they’re going to ‘Europe’ like you see in film & TV? Always thought that was bizarre. I wouldn’t say I’m going to North or South America. Unless I was travelling around the entire continent, maybe. Just always felt weird to me 🤷🏻♂️.
Egregious67@reddit
I always answer Scottish. It is strange that for some people this is seen as contentious or that I am trying to make a political point when for me it is just as natural to me as to answer 5 foot 9 when asked my hieght. I`m from Scotland, I am Scottish, everything else is extra.
Mudeford_minis@reddit
I tell Americans I’m English because generally they don’t understand what being from the UK means. I tell Europeans I’m British but when I’m on holiday in Europe I tell people I’m Dutch. This is because I have Dutch parents but I was born in the uk and I don’t want to be seen as a typical British holidaymaker. Even when I don’t tell people I’m Dutch they assume it because I have an unmistakable Dutch surname and both my wife and I are over 6’
GordonLivingstone@reddit
I wouldn't say UK. Once left a hotel in the US to find we had been recorded as Ukrainian.
Probably Britain / British / Scottish. British if wanting to get my official nationality correct.
Yes it can be political
Historical_Heron4801@reddit
If you asked my nationality I'd say I'm British. Because I am.
If you ask where I'm from, I'd give nearest city and it's vague location, which is the north of England. Because that's where it is, and people from the US rarely have knowledge of British geography.
Active_Definition_57@reddit
The TV presenter Gabby Logan is someone who might be considered very British. Her dad played for and managed the Welsh football team and she competed for Wales as a rhythmic gumnast. However, her husband played rugby for Scotland, she was born in Leeds and has lived the vast majority of her life in England.
Active_Definition_57@reddit
I am from England with distant Welsh ancestry. My favourite sport is athletics (track & field in US). In this sport, people tend to compete for the UK at major events. This is one reason why I tend to say I am from the UK or British rather than English. However, England will be my team at next month's World Cup, although I would like it if Scotland did well.
Aquatiadventure@reddit
Mainly because Muricans have no idea where any of the countries of the UK are.
InternationalCap6019@reddit
We've been travelling in Spain and Portugal for six weeks. If you go into a tourist information, they always ask where you are from. Our default reply is England, near Manchester.
I don't know why. Perhaps it's more informative
Useful_Hawk_1470@reddit
I usually think of myself as ‘English’ but I tend to say ‘British’ when asked by Americans because just from observation it seems this is what Americans say when they mean English most of the time
Eddie-Plum@reddit
They're largely interchangeable for me, but it depends on which language and how I learnt it whether I specify. For example, in French and Italian, it's England: je suis anglais and sono di Inghilterra respectively. In German, it's GB - ich komme aus Gross Brittanien - because that's how I learnt it at school.
IainMCool@reddit
In a previous job many years ago, one of the tasks were filling in application forms which required their nationality.
If they were from these isles, nearly all English people put British, quite a few Scots put Scottish. Only had one (N) Irish and they put British and one Welsh couple where one out Welsh and the other British.
Always found that interesting.
I'm British by the way, from the UK.
Massive-Specific-761@reddit
I’m English. My parents and grandparents were all English. I like to say I’m English because that is the language we speak.
I have to acknowledge that a lot of English people use English/British/UK as completely interchangeable. I think that is because the English are the dominant culture whereas the Scots, Welsh and Irish are proud to acknowledge their roots as separate from the English. Plus it makes sense whose parents are from different parts of the UK to describe themselves as British.
woollover@reddit
In my experience sometimes Scots are extremely proud of their heritage (as they should be) - but also don't like us English very much because of old history, so they claim Scottish with pride rather than being lumped with us peasants 🤣 (I have Scottish relatives so I get it) - I will say though that I've found that the further north you go in the UK, the kinder people tend to be. Just my experience. Have a great bank holiday weekend you lovely lot!
SkepticalBelieverr@reddit
Because people put too much emphasis on consistent countries that in reality are just large administrative areas similar to states and haven’t been nations for over 300 years. I say I’m British from the UK
SadConversation4460@reddit
English always
Cursusoo7@reddit
Welsh/Cymru first British … very much last.. it’s a national identity thing. The UK is an artificial construct made up of separate and distinct nations. British means a citizen of the British Isles.
Psychological-Sea785@reddit
Northern Irish are Irish, Welsh are Welsh, Scottish is Scottish and England is English, British or "from the UK". I would never tell someone I'm British.
Redhosky@reddit
I'd say the people not being specific with the country and just saying "the UK" are accounting for the fact they are talking to an American. The expectations are pretty low for American country knowledge and it seems to be common for them to refer to 'Europe' as if it is a single common country.
m1sskitty@reddit
There’s a funny phrase I heard when I was younger, “Cornish by birth, British by accident, English…never!” That just about sums up the sentiment of anyone born in Cornwall.
TuffB80@reddit
Scottish
purpydrag@reddit
I was born and lived all but 3 years of my life in England, but never refer to myself as English, nor think of myself as English. I always say I'm British. Welsh father, (first language Welsh speaker) all branches of his family were Welsh going back to1740s. Half Irish & half Yorkshire mother, all branches of both going back to early 1800s. I'm not anti-English, but I can't stand English exceptionalism and the arrogance that often comes with it.
Longjumping_Car3318@reddit
Please don't call us Brits, it's really annoying
TheRevengeOfAtlantis@reddit
I just say British, and it’s for a stupid reason. I prefer the word itself to English! Also thinking about it, if I were to purposefully call myself English over British, it fells like I’m making a distinction between English and other parts of the UK, and while they obviously exist, I’m never going to consider a Welshman foreign so is kind of pointless?
Either way my default is I’m from “50 miles from London” to any foreigner not familiar with Britain.
HauntingIchthyosaur@reddit
When I was young, I used to say English because growing up Scotland and Wales were like whole other countries.
But now my husband is Welsh and we live in Wales so I tend to say we're British/from the UK, it covers all, and honestly I associate more with British than English. I don't know whether thats because of the connotations of "English" or just because Scotland and Wales are beautiful and England is meh.
My husband tends to say Wales but then always has to explain what or where that is.
We did find in Nepal and Costa Rica that UK wasn't always understood.
JasperCarrots@reddit
I say near London, I live in Essex but no one internationally knows where that is and if they do they make awful TOWIE stereotypes. I was born in London and my family are from London and most people internationally know London. If I'm filling in a form I'd tick British
LamboChoppo@reddit
I say UK because I was born in Wales to Scottish/English/Welsh/Irish parents and now live in England.
If I'm feeling fruity I might describe myself as celtic.
Toneballs52@reddit
If anyone is in doubt, check your passport, we are British.
Background_Bug1102@reddit
I was born in one country - Scotland. I am Scottish. If I could hold a Scottish passport I would, but there is no choice in the matter.
Grendahl2018@reddit
Born and raised in England from an Irish father and English mother. I’ve never considered myself anything other than English.
That said, I’ve now lived in the US for the last 10 years. I tiredly accept ‘oh is that a British accent’ given that there’s no such thing, but recognising that my former compatriots could maybe recognise an American accent but not any sort of regional one.
People do ask, ‘where’s that accent from?’ I stopped saying “the UK” after someone misheard it and thought I was saying Ukraine (lovely people and a beautiful place should you ever get the chance to visit) so now I just say England and if pressed, a few miles east of London.
the_speeding_train@reddit
So you’re from Essex
PerfectCover1414@reddit
I say England. I'm in the US and when I said UK or Britain more than a few people were confused and asked me to clarify. Recently someone asked me if UK was in Europe and asked where that was.
the_speeding_train@reddit
Have you tried informing them that the correct name for the country is the UK? Don’t confuse them with a defunct name that hasn’t been the name of the country for over 200 years.
Historical_Ad_2429@reddit
I suppose for similar reasons that some Americans will say they’re from the US and some will say the state.
I say British because it makes more sense to me as an identity, I don’t particularly feel English.
the_speeding_train@reddit
I say I’m Canadian British living in the UK. I put Canadian first and use my Canadian passport despite being born in the UK because it’s become such a disappointment.
matomo23@reddit
When I’m abroad myself and my family say “I’m from the UK” and it’s always been understood no matter what continent I’m on.
Might just be me but “the UK” is used *by far* the most within the country, because any kind of advertising, news articles, etc use the name for the whole country rather than the constituent countries. So it just comes naturally to me, as it’s much more rare to hear anyone talking about England, which is where I’m from.
the_speeding_train@reddit
Most importantly it’s the name of the sovereign country. The constituent nations are not sovereign.
the_speeding_train@reddit
Some people know what the sovereign country is called and call it that. Some know but are stubborn and refuse. And a whole bunch don’t know.
sf-keto@reddit
Why do some Americans call themselves “Texans,” “New Yorkers,” “Southern,” “Californians,” or “Boston Irish?”
Because regional identity is strong.
rebca_@reddit
I think in general ‘the UK’ = England to a lot of people, including English people. Scots, Welsh and NI like to differentiate and remind people that there are other countries here too. And we’re pretty patriotic.
Oshabeestie@reddit
Some people from other Countries tend to think that Uk and England are interchangeable (they aren’t). Most people from Scotland do not like to be thought of as English which has a certain stereotype.
CategorySolo@reddit
Some Americans say they are from the US, some will say "from Texss", or "from New York". Just personal tast, often how "local" they feel their identity is
benevanstech@reddit
Depends on who I'm talking to. Even in Spain, where I live, "Reino Unido" may be difficult for people to understand - especially with my decidedly Anglo accent. So - path of least resistance / maximising understanding I will grit my teeth and say "Inglaterra".
Otherwise, I'd describe myself as Cornish or British, in that order. And, yes, this is a matter of personal politics. E.g. even in Wales, the least independence-minded of the Home Nations, support for independence is running at over 40%. This isn't like the US where independence movements are fringe politics.
Fragrant-Fly1433@reddit
I say English, not British and NEVER “Brit”
HaggisPope@reddit
I say Scottish because British almost always gets confused for English and I’ve noticed there’s a lot of positive associations with Scotland worldwide relative to British. It’s probably not completely fair since we were also in the Empire as a major contributor, but I guess people love Trainspotting and Baby Reindeer
IllustratorSea139@reddit
I'm Scottish and would always say I'm from Scotland. The vast majority of Scottish people would likely say the same.
Where it gets poltiical is that unionists (Rangers fans mainly lol) may feel more British than Scottish and would maybe say they are from the UK.
Sea_Pomegranate8229@reddit
If you are English then English/British is fairly interchangeable.
The Scottish and Welsh are more likely to avoid saying British.
It's a bit like people from the USA saying they are American; confusing themselves with Canadians, Peruvians and Inuit.
Ok-Airport-6058@reddit
Because you can’t be from the UK, it’s a construct 😇
Also a general pedantic hate of people blending the various countries and regional identities into one melange…
AnyOlUsername@reddit
In my case, people don’t always know Wales exists so I switch between the two.
Otherwise, it’d just be Wales full time.
BeneficialVariety171@reddit
I say I’m from the UK, purely because I’m English but live in Scotland and that’s a bit of a mouthful to say
onlyspiderwebs@reddit
It depends where you are and who you're telling where you're from... For me anyway, I'm English, but I'd say UK if was speaking in a foreign language cos it's easier?
SnooMacarons9618@reddit
I am from the UK, and I'm English. It's not a conscious thing, it's just how I'd answer.
Disastrous_Fig_828@reddit
I'm Welsh, never have nor never will identify as British because it's simply not my identity.
Like Scotland and Ireland, we have our own language and culture which is much older than the 'Union' which in all truth was only ever about England being in control of all these small islands.
British is a byword for English control of the Celts who took up the mantle from the Romans (albeit with a gap).
For sake of clarity when speaking with people from other countries I will confirm that Wales is part of the UK, but that's about it.
BiteSnap@reddit
I would personally say British rather than ‘from the UK’. That’s a very American thing to me. We don’t usually say UK
inee1@reddit
Simple for me, i was born in england , therefore im ebglish simple really
EclecticSpoonMaiden@reddit
It depends on where they are from, their politics, the generation they grew up in, how much they have travelled, and plain old personal preferences.
I was born in the Midlands (England) to an English/Slightly Scottish mother and Scottish/Welsh father. I spent a lot of time growing up in England, as well as travelling a lot in western and southern Europe. I also visited Scotland regularly. I now live on the south coast of England so if someone asks me ‘where do you live?’ I say ‘the south coast of England’ or ‘the south coast of the UK’ (depends on who I’m talking to). If someone asks me my nationality, I say I’m British because that’s what they will probably understand. If someone asks about my ancestry or heritage then I say I’m mostly Scottish and English, with some Welsh and a historic dose of Scandinavian. Within myself though, I will always be just European. I have always found nationalism and labelling distasteful and I hate answering the question tbh.
TimeforPotatoChips@reddit
My husband was born in Northern Ireland, raised in Scotland, then moved to just N of London as a young teen. His parents are Scottish, but raised in India. He calls himself British since he hasn’t a clear tie to a specific part of the UK. Also the Scots and Welsh are VERY proud not to be English (long story). People who self identify as English tend to be super nationalistic-the UK version of MAGA. Cool liberal people from England are Brits. Northern Ireland is a complete cluster f*uck, and I won’t even try to get into that blackhole.
CrabbyCrabbie@reddit
I say English because it avoids the follow up “whereabouts in the UK” question, which cuts the conversation from three questions to two, because it’s always followed up with “whereabouts in england”.
I work at a Starbucks in the US. I’m usually on the drive thru and while I love talking to customers, I have to keep things quick. So being more specific helps that when I get asked about my accent, and leaves room for whatever else they want to say/ask.
ImJohnMorghen@reddit
Dunno lid. Bizzies?
AccordingBasket8166@reddit
Its as much the person we are speaking to as our personal preference.
Im English from England, if a foriegner asks where im from its england or the u.k depending on them.
Like someone from holland saying they are from the netherlands, or someone from Germany saying they are from Bavaria.
Also if you had only met English people, meeting a Scot and expecting an English person would probably make for an awkward interaction.
The u.s has its own quirk in saying they are american but not meaning it to include all the other states in the Americas outside the u.s.
leighwalker5@reddit
Because im Scottish, why would i introduce myself any other way?
StillVeterinarian578@reddit
Similar to why some Americans introduce themselves as Texan or Californian.
zedxeightyone@reddit
Simple if they are English thay will say UK or British, everyone else will say there nationality
SGTingles@reddit
There's several factors at play. I think the key thing to understand though is that, as with all cases in life where you've got a majority and minorities, those minorities are keenest to assert their individuality. Whereas if you're from a majority, and/or from a group that traditionally holds most of the power (whether that be white, male, straight, middle- or upper-class, or in this case simply English), as often as not you just don't have to focus on your identity so fiercely from day to day.
England is by far the largest constituent country of the UK, and makes up something like five-sixths of the population. And as you might expect where you've got one bigger and more powerful country with smaller neighbours, going back over many centuries it has most often sought to dominate those smaller neighbours, with many wars being fought by kings and princes going back to the Middle Ages.
So that breeds a certain... resentment from some residents of the other countries. And thus, stereotypically at least, people from Wales and Scotland (and Northern Ireland, though there's particular complications going on there) are – on average – generally keener to assert their identity as being from their individual country, as opposed to the nation state.
Notably, Wales was legally annexed by England in the Middle Ages (as opposed to forming a union with it), meaning it doesn't even get its own representation on the Union Flag – and when we talk about the later union of England with Scotland it was therefore actually that of England (oh-and-by-the-way-Wales) with Scotland.
So you can see how asserting one's Welshness or Scottishness is a understandable and quite natural part of wanting to push back against English hegemony.
I stress that this is painting in broad strokes here, and the same feelings don't apply to everyone. But, equally broadly, English people on average don't care so much whether you refer to them as English or British.
It's worth noting that in numerous places around the world, the names for 'England' and 'Britain' are literally the same thing. And of course many people in places like the USA routinely use "England" and "Great Britain" and "the UK" interchangeably. You can see why this would really annoy residents of the other constituent countries of the United Kingdom. Yet it was even something that many English people did too, common right up until probably the mid or even late 20th century – Winston Churchill for example regularly used "England" to mean Britain during the second world war. Again, this comes from being in a position where you have the luxury of perhaps not having to think that much about your identity.
The flip side of the Englishness thing is that it's maybe increasingly often expressed as a function of white Anglo-Saxon nationalism. (And, in parallel, there is a rising use of the English flag, St George's cross, in an overtly political fashion.) Once more, I don't wish to tar everyone with the same brush here, or suggest this is in any way universal. But it's fair to say that there's more undertones involved with asserting oneself as specifically English.
At the same time, naturally, there's many people who would prefer to call themselves English for entirely wholesome and personal reasons, simply because that's where they come from and they feel a particular affinity with the land, landscape, wildlife, culture, etc etc of (part of) that country.
Personally, I would always describe myself as British. I'm mostly English by blood, but a quarter Welsh (and a little bit Scottish), and grew up in England when I was small, yet I've lived the majority of my life in Wales. So I've very much got a foot in both camps, yet I don't belong to one or the other: I'm not (very) Welsh, but I'm not fully English either. Therefore, I'm British, because if not then what am I? And there's many people in the UK who will be in similar sorts of positions.
And, for what it's worth, I like being part of a nation made up of four countries. I think that's interesting. So I'm not a fan of balkanisation, or of the independence movement in Wales and Scotland. But I understand why some other people are, even if I don't share their sense of historical grievance etc.
Because you've got all these different points of view, though, and people with all these different backgrounds and cultural and political viewpoints, it's inevitable that you're always going to get different answers from different people when it comes to the subject of what they consider their nationality.
glitterstateofmind@reddit
This should be be the top comment and perfectly encapsulates how I feel about it all.
Born in England to Welsh parents and spent time living in both countries; I never felt like I identify with being English, but i never felt “Welsh enough” when in Wales, so I’ve always reverted to saying in British or I’m from the UK, when asked.
However, I really resent the erasure of my Welsh identity when I travel and people assume being British is solely synonymous with being English. I do tend to get a bit on my soapbox with my whole “hey, we exist too, y’know!” spiel.
SGTingles@reddit
Ahh, cheers both for the kind words, I really appreciate it. Trouble is my spiel there was much too long for most people to be bothered reading, I presume.
And I identify with your experience while travelling, glitterstate. When I lived abroad I found I felt more Welsh, in a strange way, or at least felt keener to 'stand up for' the country than I'd have imagined – which, like you say, is perhaps a factor of inevitably finding oneself running into a lot of people for whom it's effectively the invisible part of Britain. The other factor, though, was the realisation of something quite obvious when you think about it, but which just hadn't occurred to me previously: that is, I'm less Welsh than most people in Wales, yet more Welsh than most people outside it. So taking me out of the country made me, weirdly, feel more like I was from it!
techny13@reddit
This is the most accurate explanation I’ve seen here.
Historical_Spell_772@reddit
There’s a lot of resentment towards England
Also you left out Northern Ireland from your list
Someonearoundhere438@reddit
i js say i'm british
An_Old_Bloke_Invests@reddit
I’m English and say so.
It’d be weirder if we all started to claiming to be American, as that’s exactly the sort of thing so many Americans do.
There’re more Irish in America than the whole of Ireland.
Srapture@reddit
To me, English/Welsh/Scottish are terms describing heritage.
I was born in England, but all my grandparents and up were born and raised in Ireland, so I would normally call myself British and, although it's not something that typically comes up, I would call myself Irish in the sense that I perceive the meaning of "English".
Not sure if I've completely made that all up in my head or if I've got that idea from others growing up.
Deuce03@reddit
I'm English, and I don't pay much attention to which I'm using unless there's a specific point I want to make or angle I want to take. Overall I do identify more as British than English, so probably favour that, but I'll also say "English/England" without thinking about it sometimes. I suspect I say "British/UK" slightly more when I'm talking about the government or geopolitics or something (or at border control), because that's the country, but "English/England" possibly more when talking about cultural trends or sport or so on. I can understand Welsh/Scots people making more of a point of it, as those areas have a stronger national identity than England does.
I should note that that's only when talking in English. If asked where I'm from in French or Spanish or Catalan I'll reply with that language's equivalent of "England" because it's less of a mouthful and easier to remember.
CleeBrummie@reddit
Saying your from Wales would blow the minds of the USAians
Ecstatic-Leading8730@reddit
Usually it’s in response to what country you’re from. I’m from England so I say England, the uk is a collective of 4 countries not a country itself so technically incorrect if they ask the country question
iamthefirebird@reddit
My Dad is from a Welsh family, my Mum is English. I am British. I can't call myself Welsh, but it wouldn't be correct to say I'm fully English, either. Hence, British.
littlemissdizaster80@reddit
I was born in Scotland but I class myself as British 🇬🇧
htrix@reddit
For some it’s a political/identity choice. For others, not so much. I’m Welsh, I speak fluent Welsh, and I come from a family of Welsh nationalists who’d love nothing more than to see an independent Wales. For them, not saying they’re British/from the UK is very much a political choice wrapped in identity. The same can be true of the Scottish, the Irish, and even the Cornish.
Me, I say I’m British- mostly because I can’t be arsed having the “But isn’t Wales part of England?” conversation.
harrietmjones@reddit
I say that I’m from the UK, I’m British or I’m Welsh.
For me, it’s because I’m English born and grew up in England but my family are Welsh and I don’t feel English either.
So, that’s why I say what I say on a personal level.
It’s a big difference for us here in the UK to differentiate the various cultures etc. of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Island because we’ve all got deep roots and historical rivalries and invasions between each other, which tends to boil down to nowadays, as simply to do with sports teams and who you support tbh.
glitterstateofmind@reddit
I am exactly the same as you.
Do you find that other people try to project their views or identity onto you too? I always get “you’re not Welsh, you’re English” - they’re still out here trying subjugation tactics in 2026 lol.
BarnytheBrit@reddit
I’ll say UK then if they ask where I’ll say England
callybeanz@reddit
I say Scottish because a lot of times Americans refer to all of the UK as England — and Scotland is obviously not England. I also don’t identify strongly with Britishness but I do feel very much Scottish 🤷🏻
sewing-enby@reddit
My heritage is Welsh.
My accent is posh English. I was born in England. I feels disingenuous to call myself Welsh, but I refuse to call myself English. Too much history between the two countries and I will not ally myself with the perpetrators.
So I'm British.
Ok_Performance5378@reddit
Most people whether in England Wales or Scotland will be specific about it when asked. I guess it's an identity thing or something like that
Sweet_keto_chef@reddit
A lot of people don’t know where Wales is, that it’s a country, or that it even exists, so usually it’s just easier to say I’m from Britain or the UK.
MzHmmz@reddit
There's a slight correlation between nationalism and the tendency to identify as English/Scottish/Welsh (Northern Ireland gets more complicated!) as opposed to British, but not so much that you can make an assumption about someone's politics based on it.
In all the nations apart from England, nationalist basically means separatist, whereas in England it tends to be more the right wing, anti immigrant type of nationalism, and in favour of keeping the United Kingdom united. So Scottish and Welsh nationalists usually say they're Scottish/Welsh, while English nationalists tend to be more evenly split between English & British. In NI the nationalists want to be part of a united Ireland, so they'd say they're Irish rather than Northern Irish (or they'll say they're from "the north of Ireland" if they want to be more precise).
For those of us who aren't nationalist it just depends on personal preference, context etc. I think I usually say British/UK but sometimes I'll say England/English. Sometimes I'll say the city or county I'm from if they seem like someone who might have a clue about British geography! I don't think I'm particularly consistent with it really, though, it's just whatever pops into mind first or what seems most relevant in the circumstances, or easiest for the person to understand.
Entire-Structure8708@reddit
I live in the US, but I'm English/British. If people ask me I will always say I'm British/from the UK. I don't think I've ever had anyone not understand that but it's also definitely true that 90+% of Americans do not understand the difference between English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish, and British. Every now and then I will say British to someone and they'll start with the "oh where from" guessing game to narrow it down even though they've almost always only been to London and that's their only point of reference. I now usually just say London to get it over with, despite not being from London (grew up in Surrey so close enough).
The other side of this is people picking up some kind of accent and guessing the accent instead of asking where I'm from. Americans have absolutely no idea how to pick non-American English-speaking accents, so the most common guess I get is Australian, probably followed by Irish.
mewikime@reddit
I live in the US now. Have done for many years. I've had people ask me where I'm from and I when I've said "England" they'll day something like "Where's that?" or "Oh, I thought with your accent you'd be British", "That's in the UK right?" or "So is England the country or is Britain the country? What's the UK then?"
So I've found saying I'm from The UK is a lot easier acne invites far fewer follow up questions
Grand-Enthusiasm5749@reddit
I always introduce myself as Cumbrian before anything else. 🩷
ProsperityandNo@reddit
I would never introduce myself as British because I am diametrically opposed to Union with England.
I am Scottish.
shalala_baby@reddit
non english people usually specify the country instead of the uk because they don’t want to be associated with england 😭 and british is mostly understood to mean english in other parts of the world, which you’ll see with “british accents” etc. the rest of the time it’s mostly just whatever pops into your head first hahaha. i tend to say im from the uk because saying i’m english feels obnoxious for some reason (national pride? no, national shame lmao), unless im specifying that im from the north in which case BIG UP NORTH 🔥
Down-Right-Mystical@reddit
I tend to say I'm British.
Something about saying 'English' doesn't sit right. I can't quite but it into words, but saying British feels like it shows, however little, that I appreciate Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as part of the union. We are not just English, and we are not just London.
TheSecretIsMarmite@reddit
Sometimes its a whatever moment, sometimes it's Nationalism. There is no way to know which without other context clues.
AuroraDF@reddit
I'm Scottish, and I've never known a Scottish person to introduce themselves as British when overseas. And I do know quite a few people who would want to make sure a person knows they're not English.
Feisty-Lifeguard-550@reddit
No I know we’re not a monolith in Scotland but I don’t know anyone who would say they are British or from the UK abroad , it’s I’m Scottish which we are of course. Iv never heard a Scottish person say it
HistoryDisastrous493@reddit
Despite being from England I say UK, because the flag shaggers have given England a bad name
Feisty-Lifeguard-550@reddit
You know it’s such a shame that, I’m Scottish , we ,the Irish and the Welsh can fly our flags but the good people of England have been made to feel they can’t fly their flags cause some folks have used it for shitty purposes.
Glasgowghirl67@reddit
I have always said Scottish over British even as a child before knowing the politics between those wanting independence or not. I support independence but it isn’t my main thought when asked my nationality just more that is what I’ve always said.
Feisty-Lifeguard-550@reddit
Yeah same , always say Scottish , like you said well before knowing about historical political context. It’s funny and it’s not in anyway anti English but I’d never refer to myself as British or from the UK , I don’t think about it. There’s also a pride thing of being Scottish.
glglglglgl@reddit
In the same way some Americans will introduce themselves as Californian or Texan, it's about personal identity.
colin_staples@reddit
Question to OP:
Do you say "I'm from America"?
Or do you say "I'm from"?
Or do you say "I'm from"?
I bet you say different things to different people, depending on the context.
Like who they are, where they're from, how much they know about your country. Or even what you feel like saying that day.
Baconface404@reddit
I've got Welsh, Irish and lots of English ancestors so British from England suits.
NotoriousREV@reddit
I usually say British although I’m English, but I have Scottish family and my wife is Welsh. I find English nationalism has put me off saying I’m English, tbh.
wakou2@reddit
Hmm! Lots going on here! People from Wales or Scotland, or Northern Ireland, identify strongly with their home country. People from England, less so. This is history, politics, culture.
HashBrownsAreNice@reddit
Ok so within the UK, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland generally feel like they're 'forgotten' compared to England. Which is partly because people who ARENT from here - say, Americans - tend to confuse England and Britain and just call everyone English. So it's a mix of totally justified and also a chip on the shoulder.
So generally the people who name a constituent country are the ones who want to make sure you don't forget that their country exists. And that's why most English people just say 'British' - cos they have nothing to prove.
The people who say England KNOW you're very aware that England exists - those people are just trying to make a point about how they think they're best. They're like the people who, when in an foreign country and are asked where they're from, should probably say 'the USA' but instead, loudly proclaim TEXAS because they're 100% convinced that Texas is the best and for some reason, you should care apparently.
Cornish-Giant@reddit
Don't forget the Cornish, the little nation down the bottom of the map.
It depends on the context usually, at an airport I'll probably say UK or British, but casually chatting to someone whilst I'm on holiday I'll say I'm Cornish or from Cornwall.
MerlinMusic@reddit
Same reason some Americans might say they're from the USA and others might say they're from New York or California, there's no hidden meaning, it's just based on what you feel like emphasising at that particular time and/or what you think the other person will understand.
Defard2001@reddit
Nothing to do with politics, region or dialect, both terms are interchangeable . The odd nationalist may say English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish, but most people who say this are not nationalists. I generally use UK when speaking to a crowd / more formal group of colleagues and English if I have a better relationship (generally for the jokes).
Markfish@reddit
I said British immediately as I felt that was easier. If I said I was English Americans would respond with something like oh you mean British.
Bubbly_Gap6636@reddit
Most people "of colour" say British not English. Unless they are from the other 3 countries!
Still_Pea979@reddit
I’m Welsh. Wales is a country within the United Kingdom with its own devolved government, its own language, culture and history. I am first language Welsh and speak Welsh at work, with friends and with family. I wouldn’t say I’m from the UK, as I’m from Wales and don’t have much connection with the rest of the UK.
Soar_Fingers@reddit
Who cares?
Joanna1604@reddit
Why do some Americans introduced themselves as being from some state and why do some just say USA?
Hardly any of the Americans that I met while working in tourism would say USA. I'd say about 90% of them said the state. Actually many would say the town/city and the state. If it ever was political it was never brought up to me in the 16 years I worked in the industry. They were just keen to let you know where they were from.
It is sadly a fact that when many Americans hear UK they automatically think that it means they are English as well as British which is obviously not the case. The difference between people saying the state they are from and someone saying they're Welsh is that one doesn't change a nationality and one does. There may not be a difference to you but there is to them. It's not a linguistic thing. Some just prefer to say one of the other.
jaymatthewbee@reddit
I say I’m English. Some English people are embarrassed about saying that because of nationalist ‘Little Englander’ connotations, but I think of myself as a good person so I’m doing PR to change the negative stereotype.
Dr_Custard@reddit
Ok let's use an American example:
Let's pretend you were born in Texas.
Do you tell people you're from the USA, or do you tell people you're from Texas? Probably, both.
If you're proudly from Texas, you're more likely to say you're Texan. If you're less proud to say you're from Texas, you might say you're from the US.
If you're speaking to someone whom you don't think knows the difference between the US and Texas, but has heard of the US, you'd say the US.
It's all the same.
Historically, Scottish and Welsh and northern Irish communities have been more marginalised as a culture than the English, so have a stronger cultural identity as Scottish or Welsh.
Like how people from new York will not stop telling you they're from new York, but someone from north Dakota is more likely to say they're from the US.
MixPlus@reddit
I usually say I am from near London, rather than UK or England, because most people knows where that is. If they want specifics I say 20 miles/30km south of London.
Slight_Art_8828@reddit
I’m Welsh, was born and grew up in wales but I now live in England. Depending on the situation I might either say I’m Welsh or I’m from the UK.
I most often say I’m from the UK because it broadly describes the situation especially in a casual tourist situation where it’s not an in-depth conversation. If I were having a more in depth conversation I would specifically say I’m Welsh but live in England.
If someone were to say ‘where are you visiting from’ I would NEVER say England without specifying that I’m Welsh. My partner is English and if he were to say ‘we’re from England’ ‘I’m English’ etc I would always chime in a specify that I’m Welsh, we are a different nation and I would never want to be mistaken for English. I have nothing again the English I’m just not one of them, it would be like insisting on calling a New Yorker a Texan.
People who aren’t from the UK sometimes have a tendency to refer to the whole of the UK as ‘England’ or worse ‘London’ which is very frustrating to the Welsh, Irish and Scottish as we are usually very proud of our specific nationality and do not like being referred to as English. It’s just rude and dismissive.
There are also various levels of tension between the nations varying from light rivalries to outright dislike. Scotland specifically has a lot of people who want to leave the UK and become and independent so are often very offended at being referred to as English.
Slight_Art_8828@reddit
A while ago I took a tour at a popular tourist spot in London and the guide did a ‘cheer if you are visiting from x’ thing. So ‘cheer if you are visiting from America’ etc and I just didn’t cheer because while I live in England and was technically visiting from a different part of England I would never want to be misidentified as English but also I wasn’t technically visiting from Wales either so it felt weird to cheer then because it’s not factually correct. I’m probably just over thinking it but my point is basically that nationality is complicated and we all have our own specific ideas around it especially if we have ties to multiple nations.
Wolfdreama@reddit
I just say I'm "from the UK" because I'm half Scottish, half English.
AccountForDoingWORK@reddit
I’m Scottish-American, dad from Scotland and mum from the U.S. but I spent a good chunk of my childhood in England (but now live in Scotland). For my purposes it feels more accurate to say “British” rather than “Scottish”, but when I’m abroad I am always very careful to distinguish that I am from Scotland, not England/the U.K. (which is just generally understood to be “England” by the rest of the world”. People noticeably become friendlier when they hear we are Scots specifically.
Again…I’ve lived in both countries and I think the culture is more similar than Scots would like to admit, but on a global stage, there’s more goodwill for Scotland than England, so it’s a survival strategy for me.
(And of course I would never say I was English or British in Scotland, just because I am not a unionist and it carries that sort of connotation.)
Captlard@reddit
I just say I am from Wales. If they know where that is, then great. If they ask where it is, I explain.
I guess if I meet a person from the USA and I ask where are they from they could say a city.. I am from Boston, a state from California) or the country or even a region of the country.
itsaride@reddit
In initial conversation, I'm British but further into a conversion I'm from England. No idea why it works like that with me.
hallerz87@reddit
There’s probably something to be said about people who identify as British vs English/Scottish/Welsh/Irish but I don’t think it’s typically political. Just about self identity.
kooalapple@reddit
I personally would typically say I'm from the UK to outsiders, England to Welsh, Scottish or Irish people, and my county to other English folk. Unless the conversation was about language, regional dialects or something else where my location in the UK is relevant. I would rarely call myself British though, only if I were to state my nationality.
AlkanphelUK@reddit
Um you answered it yourself, because Brits duh
TheGeordieGal@reddit
I think for me it depends on context. If I’m talking to Northern Europeans (or more Europeans in general) I’d say England/English as they’re more likely to know the borders and what’s where (and if they ask further I can give me city and describe it as about an hour south of the Scottish border). For non Europeans and some from further away in Europe I’d default to saying I’m from the UK or British.
Tall_Opportunity_521@reddit
I say "Im from Scotland" because Its a really good measure of whether or not the yank Im talking to is a moron or not. If the words "Thats in England, right?" come out of their mouth, I know they are fall for Negirian prince email levels of stupid and to walk away from them.
Reasonable_sweetpea@reddit
I say UK/British rather than English - I love our little weird collection of differences in a small scale and feel more connected with Welsh/Scots/NI than the rest of Europe
macman501@reddit
Scotland, Wales , and Northern Ireland tend to have a stronger sense of their national identity and are probably more likely to say they are from those countries (NI for obvious reasons is more complicated). English folk are more likely to say British than the others and historically a sense of Englishness, as opposed to Britishness, was quite weak, but has been increasing in recent years.
FloydEGag@reddit
Depends, not everyone overseas is totally clear on where Wales is 😅 so I might say British. Otherwise Welsh, or I’ll say British and Welsh
jibbit@reddit
lots of people are too thick to understand what country they come from
Plasticman328@reddit
A sweeping generalisation but the English will tend to say that they come from the UK; the Welsh, Scottish and Irish will tend to say that they come from those countries. Generally because, as the smaller nations, identity is more important for them.
Yolandi2802@reddit
Personally I do not like the term “Brits”. My birth country is England therefore I am English. 🏴
tuttifruttidurutti@reddit
Ireland, Wales and Scotland were all forcibly integrated into a single state under English hegemony. That state is the United Kingdom. This is generally the preferred usage of the government, which wants people to think of themselves as British, since this discourages Welsh, Scottish and Irish people from leaving. It also helps to obscure some of the very defined regional identities, particularly northerners, who feel a degree of antagonism towards the south for entirely justified reasons.
English people are more likely to call themselves British because they are less likely to be mad about being British; ie, they likely do not want to be something else. Nationalist parties are popular in Scotland and Wales, and Northern Ireland is its own thing, where Protestants can be very intense about being British, and Catholics consider themselves as from the 'north of Ireland', which is distinct from 'Northern Ireland'.
PHOEBU5@reddit
Not English hegemony, but Norman, who also subjugated the people of England, many of whom were of Celtic descent or Celts who interbred with the Anglo-Saxon immigrants. The Celts also settled throughout the West of Scotland, the East being Pictish. Of course, a Scottish king took over the Crown of England, leading to the United Kingdom. (Wales was not a kingdom, having never been unified under a single monarch.) Then, with the Industrial Revolution, people uprooted their families from across the Kingdom to move to where the work was located. Plenty of miners in the South Wales valleys came from the coalfields of Yorkshire and the Midlands, or the tin mines of Cornwall. Note how the "nationalists" of Scotland and Wales are Left-wing "progressive" parties, undoubtedly funded and encouraged by our enemies, who wish to weaken Britain, also painting English "nationalists" as Far-right and Fascist. United we stand, divided we fall.
notacanuckskibum@reddit
The Welsh and Scots are kind of like Texans. They consider themselves different & special. They want you to know that they are Welsh or Scots, not English. The English don't care, they see "from England" and "From the UK" as pretty much interchangeable, because Scotland and Wales don't matter.
No-Problem-1354@reddit
I’m British and Scottish but will mainly call myself British. When someone says they are Scottish and refuses to call themselves British, you can generally tell their political views.
becca413g@reddit
Do a bit of geography and it will make sense. Both statements are true, it just depends on how specific they want to be. Like saying what county or town you live in.
TwpMun@reddit
I always say i'm Welsh, because that is what I am.
There is historic rivalry between the regions, and most are fiercely proud of theirs; depending on the person, guessing that a Scot or Welshman is from England for example won't end well lol. So early clarification avoids any potential annoyance.
TulipTatsyrup@reddit
We're scared you're going to ask us if we know your Scots, Irish , Welsh English relatives.
Double-Use4816@reddit
I travel a fair bit to non English speaking countries. I realised pretty early on that 'UK' was the most understood description of where im from-England often got blank looks for example. So I usually say the UK or London.
Fantastic_Deer_3772@reddit
Scottish and Welsh it can be personal preference or feeling but it also can signify a political opinion (pro-UK vs pro-independence). People might feel very strongly about the word they're using.
England and UK are more likely to be used interchangeably, and for that case it doesn't signify a political stance.
eldunenorap@reddit
When I was in the US, and people asked where I was from, if I said UK, a significant proportion thought I was from the University of Kentucky! Make of that what you will.
Soon reverted to saying I was from England, as everyone recognises that straight away
Imaginary-Tear-4681@reddit
That’s just Americans for you though I suppose
clovenheart1066@reddit
I think it depends on who we're talking to.
I could give you the closest city, county, country or just british depending on how much i think someone would care/understand.
Ready-Fox-3264@reddit
British is an umbrella term that I remember becoming popular around the time of Cool Britannia and New Labour in the 1990s. It can be used by anyone and everyone, especially English people and those who live in the UK but may have ties with other countries. Those from Northern Ireland may say they’re British, too. But Scottish and Welsh people are less likely to describe themselves as British, that’s a fact.
Nooms88@reddit
I'm English, I don't have any strong political views, I would describe myself as British vs English vs the audience I'm talking to. Broad stroke would be British, finer point if I thought they would understand the difference, English.
Probably similar to the Dutch and the Netherlands.
W35TH4M@reddit
I always say English and never British because I don’t have any thoughts or feelings for the other British countries
Practical_Brush_8955@reddit
I’m normally just say I’m English or I’m from England, when I’m abroad. I feel it is more specific.
Flea-Surgeon@reddit
It's pointless telling most Americans where you're from specifically if it's not somewhere in the US. Most of them have some vague understanding of the word 'British' from being told about how the US was founded, so I usually go with that, but British, English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Australian, New Zealander, South African, whatever might as well all be the same thing.
Logical_fallacy10@reddit
Well the English love their abbreviations. So anything that’s shorter they will use. But it’s like saying “I am from Europe”. It’s a bit ridiculous. They should just say “I am English”. But if you are black or other - you can’t say that as it’s only white people that are English. Then you have to say you are British. Seems very racist to me.
You will also see that they abbreviate names. But I guess Americans do the same. I find it lame. Hi I am Mathew but I prefer Matt. “Ok well I prefer your highness”.
The weird thing is - they love abbreviations - but they also love filler words to make their sentence as long as possible - like basically - essentially - potentially - just get to the point already.
TraditionalLife274@reddit
I genuinely fluctuate between saying British and Scottish. I don’t see it as a political comment; rather I’m just rubbish at being consistent
ghostofkilgore@reddit
I'm Scottish and I'd say I'm from Scotland. It's not that I don't also feel British or try to deny that I'm British but I just feel like my primary national identity is Scottish and British is secondary, if that makes sense, so that's what I'll say.
I can only really speak for Scotland on the identity / politics question. Aside from the obvious, whether someone said Scottish ot British probably correlates well with where they stand on the issue of Scottish independence. There's probably a reasonable correlation with people saying "British" being more likely to be conservative.
Some of the core symbols of 'cinservatism' in the UK are things like the Empire, the monarchy, the Second World War, etc, and these are things closley associated with Britain as a collective, rather than it's constituent parts. So the tie between British conservatism and British identity is reasonably strong.
SnowyAbibliophobe@reddit
I'm from England but I would I always say UK, but that might be because I don't have a strong national identity. If asked my nationality I would say I'm British rather than English.
However, if I were from Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland I would definitely not say the UK, but my country, same for my nationality.
prustage@reddit
I think you subconsciously match your answer to what you think the expectations are and how well you think they would understand the internal divisions of the country.
I travel a lot and find that the further away I am from home, the more likely I am to say "British" and it changes to "English" when I am somewhere close, like Europe.
I once told an American I was English and was promptly told I was a "fake" since "English is the name of a language, not a place". When I am over there I say British now.
WorcsBloke@reddit
Abroad I'd say British. In Scotland I'd say English. In England I might say either and wouldn't care too much. Well, unless sport is the subject!
Warm_Stress_1654@reddit
I'm going to agree with what a few folk have said already. I'd always have said, British, despite being born in England to English-born parents because the way that English is used as an ethnic identifier doesn't sit well with my Irish and Scots roots.
Now that I have a foreign-born (naturalised) wife who raised my two African-Caribbean boys with me - these being two categories which a lot of people would deny can be English - I'm even more certain that British is the right word.
It's a shame. Although my Irish ancestry will always define me and although I have such fond memories of living in Scotland as a young man, that's not why I describe myself as British. It's because people use the word English in such a way that it pretty much only identifies people who you Americans would call WASPs. It's a shame. This is a great country and is a lot more welcoming to outsiders than our own media would have you believe. It ought to describe where a person was born and/or raised but - it doesn't. Not unless they're world-class at sports.
Ok_Play_1024@reddit
because a lot of foreigners think Britain = UK = England = London.
Parking_Doughnut_453@reddit
I can remember discussing this is primary school ( mid 1970s) we were asked how we described ourselves; English, British etc. it then lead to a conversation about the EU that we had just joined and how we should think of ourselves as from the United Kingdom.
el_duderino_316@reddit
I'm from the island of Great Britain, so I'm British.
Upset_Ad_6462@reddit
I say from the UK. Never thought about it until this post. Lmao. Saying I’m English maybe sounds like it implies I’m nationally English perhaps? But I’m Irish and Brazilian born in London. So often I say I’m from London, or from the UK or I sometimes say English depending on context or what im talking about. But it doesn’t matter and it ain’t deep or anything.
LostLoch@reddit
I’m Scottish. I would say I’m a British Citizen if it was relevant, like filling out a form. I would tell an American I’m British because many foreigners think Britain = England. I have been to England twice, know little about the royal family and don’t know the Geography of England that well. If they say “I’ve been to [insert town]” I may possibly not know what they’re talking about. Easier to just say I’m Scottish.
Sad_Sultana@reddit
I will say british or English depending on who I'm talking to. If I'm talking to a foreigner like an American or Indian u will say british, but if I am talking to a vritish person or a European I will say English as I am more likely to be understood
blazej84@reddit
I’m Welsh I was born here and have lived here all my life ,so I’m Welsh but also British as wales is part of the Britain but definitely don’t call me English or the dragon in me comes out !.
krystalizer01@reddit
I say I’m from the U.K. or I just say I’m from London
Upset_Ad_6462@reddit
Same
PHOEBU5@reddit
It probably depends on the depth of one's association with any one constituent country. If you were born and grew up in Scotland to long-standing Scottish parents and continue to live and work in Scotland, it would be understandable that you describe yourself as Scottish in preference to British. I was born in Wales to an Anglo-Welsh mother and a Scots-Irish father, initially growing up in Northern Ireland but later in England. I then spent most of my career in the British Army, serving in Britain and around the world, with colleagues from across all four nations, including Scousers, Geordies, Londoners and Brummies. There's naturally banter between us all, especially over sporting rivalries, but most would define themselves as British when presenting themselves to third-parties.
Capable_Material1234@reddit
I never say I’m from the UK. England is the country I was born in therefore I will always say I’m English.
johnny_briggs@reddit
UK is easier to type
RiverTadpolez@reddit
It's to do with national identity.
Some people mainly have a British national identity and they would be more likely to say they're from the UK (this is mainly English people for some reason, in my experience). Most people have the national identity of the country they're from (e.g. Scottish, English, Welsh), and some people also have a British national identity, and some do not.
For example, someone who has a Scottish national identity but doesn't also have a British national identity would likely introduce themselves as Scottish. Someone who who has a Scottish national identity and also a British national identity night introduce themselves as Scottish or as British/ from the UK, depending on the context. Someone from Scotland who doesn't have a Scottish national identity and only has a British national identity (this is unusual for Scottish and Welsh people but not so much for English people), would likely introduce themselves as British/ from the UK.
I could be wrong about this, but I think Northern Ireland is a different situation because people from there are more likely to identify with either a British or an Irish national identity, moreso than a Northern Irish national identity, although I've heard this is changing.
Draigwyrdd@reddit
I'm Welsh, not British. So I always describe myself as being from Wales.
Ems118@reddit
I’ve noticed English people are British, the Scottish are Scottish and the Welsh are Welsh. There’s a few in the north or Ireland claim to be British and they don’t know the difference between Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It’s a head melt for many.
cardinalb@reddit
Always Scottish.
PootMcGroot@reddit
It's very contextual. A lot of Americans do the same - they'll say they're from Texas, or New York or whatever, because people will already realise you're American.
There are political aspects - like some Scottish people would only ever describe themselves as Scottish - but that's dwarfed by people just choosing what feels appropriate in the conversation, and how familiar the person might be with the UK..
Alert_Mine7067@reddit
I don't have an issue saying I'm from the UK but I would be more inclined to say that I'm from Northern Ireland. Saying I'm from the UK feels very generic for me, because the UK consists of 4 countries that all have their respective cultures.
Impressive-Plum3094@reddit
It depends where I am visiting. If it’s the States or further away I say the UK. Also if I’m at boarder control etc I say UK when it’s more informal or in Europe I say wales 🏴
Highlandertr3@reddit
Depends on ho much you like where you are from. I call myself European where possible.
mr_vestan_pance@reddit
I say I’m British or English
snaynay@reddit
There is a more unified and broad perspective in England that it is parts of a unified country. In Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, there is a lot more of a national identity from the concept that English subjugated them, directly or indirectly.
Also, English patriotism is often looked down upon and tends to be expressed openly by a particular set of demographics. In part because whilst there is a lot to be proud of from the English side, there is a lot of dark too. In the other countries, it's even supported and welcomed by their populations. It's seen as a good thing, not a bad thing.
Spikyleaf69@reddit
I usually say I'm English & from England but don't object to being called British or from the UK.
I guess it just comes down to how you feel, I've lived all my live in central England so associate with it, I have a friend who has lived in England, Wales and Scotland who refers to herself as British because that is the way she feels.
seven-cents@reddit
I'm like most Brits depending on how far back I can trace my ancestry. Basically a mongrel. Scottish, English, Irish, German, French, Dutch. A pavement special.
Left-Ad-3412@reddit
I've found Northerners tend to say English. Southerners tend to say British. But maybe that's just the people I know. Scots will say Scotland, Welsh will say Wales. Northern Ireland will say Northern Ireland (and then Americans will tell them how they are "Irish too" and their great great grandfather was "from Dublin". They won't understand why the conversation goes wrong)
timpedro33@reddit
I think because the majority of the population on the UK is English you are more likely to assert your identity as Scottish/Welsh/Irish to set yourself apart from that if you aren't English.
Further to that, the 'traditional' view of English is white, so if you are non-white in England you might feel British describes you better (British-Asian and Black British seem to be the standard terms we use as options when filling in forms, for example). As a white person I'm sure someone else more qualified to speak on this can elaborate or correct me?
Being white, Glasgow-born to English parents, and living in England for all but the first three years of my life, with a Welsh surname I tend to say I'm from Birmingham if I'm asked where I'm from, but British if I'm asked what my nationality is, and England when I'm asked what country I'm from.
Background_Bug1102@reddit
I’m Scottish. If anyone asks if I’m from GB or UK I say I was born and live in Scotland and I’m Scottish. I support Scottish independence and can’t wait to have a Scottish/EU passport.
Due-Parsley953@reddit
I say British, because I have Scottish, English, Irish (North and South) and a bit of Welsh background.
WishfulStinking2@reddit
It’s easier to say you’re British to people from the US specifically
Beginning-Anybody442@reddit
I've got a third Scottish genes , but born & always lived south England. I'd probably say English , but partly because I dabble in language so often see 'English' written down & in German & French (for instance), I'd usually be referred to as Englisch or Anglais. But saying that, I'm also very aware that the nations are very much their own people and might tend towards specifying for that reason . Then again, I've also said British . Think it depends upon who I'm talking to and where I am.
DeliciousCondition79@reddit
Immigrants/foreigners born in the UK consider themselves British. English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish are more ethnic identities I guess. But confusingly, these people also consider themselves British, but more as a secondary identity and often selectively when it benefits them. E.G. some Scottish guy wins a tennis tournament and suddenly he's British so we can share his glory etc.
kfifigidifkg@reddit
I've always felt that this is far more likely to be confirmation bias on the part of the accuser (and the tendency of Scots to sometimes be a bit chippy).
Kanebass98@reddit
Personal preference. I'm Scottish. I'm also British
celem83@reddit
Both Wales and Scotland have fairly strong independance political movements, and have had for a while now so its part of the modern culture.
British vs UK is mostly interchangable.
I'm a Scot and have introduced myself as such since about the time I saw Braveheart (correlation or causation? dunno)
PurplePlodder1945@reddit
If I’m abroad, people tend to ask ‘you’re English?’ To which I’ll answer ‘no, Welsh’. If someone asked if was British I’d say yes. And maybe follow up with ‘Welsh’.
wookiewithabrush@reddit
I usually say I'm from the UK, I'm English, Grandad was Welsh (but that's not the reason I say Im from the UK).
Professional-Test239@reddit
I'm Welsh and if I'm abroad and say that I'm Welsh I'm often met with bewilderment. I don't think the same thing is quite true for English / Scottish / Irish people; us Welsh seem to have done a terrible job of making ourselves known.
I have no problem describing myself as British and Welsh. If someone referred to me as English I would correct them though.
A Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish person who does not also identify as British is possibly taking a political position meaning they are likely opposed to the union and would desire independence.
I've never met an English person who has a problem being described as British also but I assume they must exist.
Taucher1979@reddit
I usually say British but I am half Welsh/half English so neither is completely correct (although I feel more English).
-cunningstunt@reddit
Same, but half Scottish. I have a Scottish and an English parent, but I’ve been mostly raised in England so feel more English. I kind of change between saying I’m English or British
Adhyskonydh@reddit
I am Cornish, then I am British
Cornish is my ethnicity and my Nation, it is part of Britain
I sometimes say I from the UK, but most British people say British because saying we are from the UK feels weird.
It annoys us mightily that many Americans think we are all English.
vetinaris-vizier@reddit
There is actually a decent body of serious research behind the identities of "Britishness" vs those of the four countries of the UK (and regions, in some cases).
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/17469-what-makes-person-english-according-english https://constitution-unit.com/2018/12/14/on-the-myth-of-a-growing-sense-of-english-identity/
Physical_Memory_6644@reddit
‚English‘ is obviously a slur so they say British as a euphemism.
Murky-Host6434@reddit
Always say I'm English if the question crops up purely because Britain is such a vague descriptive term. Quite rightly the Nations that constitute Britain have incredibly strong national identity and don't generally enjoy being lumped together.
dr2501@reddit
The Scot’s and Welsh still hate the English so want to differentiate themselves from us. English people generally say UK though IME
Spirited-Car8661@reddit
I say British because my Mum mostly grew up in England and my Dad grew up in Northern Ireland. It feels odd being called English, even though it's accurate. It's like identifying an American by their State instead of the country itself.
Tamihera@reddit
I tend to say UK. I have a Northern Irish father and a Welshman grandad, so ‘from England’ never feels quite right.
Ok_Significance4583@reddit
There can be a few reasons: 1. Context dependent: tend to say to, for example someone from Ireland that I live in England, but to someone from another continent I'd say the UK for sure. It's a matter of specificity 2. Political: more nationalistic-minded people tend to say their constituent country out of pride. Think similar to if a Barcelonian says they're Catelonian or Spanish 3. Class: working class people tend to say their constituent country, while middle class people tend to say the sovereign state. There's cultural reasons for that, such as the working class typically taking more of an interest in football (soccer) and rugby where our national teams are for each constituent country
huwareyou@reddit
I don’t think it necessarily denotes any specific political persuasion. It’s just a sense of identity and a great many would consider themselves British even if they say Welsh, Scottish etc first.
JimmieSavsscumsock@reddit
I'm English and importantly a Lancashire lad!
TmB-Eggo@reddit
I was born in england and have never lived anywhere else. But technically I'm not anglo-saxon, so I would feel like I was lying if I said I was english.
ArgyllLassie@reddit
Most Scots will not call themselves British.
TommyCheckers976@reddit
Quite right too
ZombieGash@reddit
I’m Wenglish so I just say British.
Stressedhumbucker@reddit
Hmm. For me personally, it depends on my mood and what information I want to convey. For instance, right now it feels worth mentioning that I'm specifically from England, not Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland. But usually I don't see much need to be specific, so I'll say I'm from the UK.
Constant_Phone5487@reddit
I wouldn't read too much into it.
Ok_Pen7290@reddit
English always
CymroBachUSA@reddit
You can't say you're from a "United Kingdom" when there isn't much unity!
floydthebarb@reddit
The Scottish people who introduce themselves as British are the ones we want rid of
TapeDeckSlick@reddit
No just differs for people. I say English mostly tho I reckon.
haggis_catcher-@reddit
Scottish 🏴
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