Audi’s Matrix LED Headlights Are Finally Coming to America
Posted by theguitardude11@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 81 comments
Posted by theguitardude11@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 81 comments
RicardoMoyer@reddit
uh? sorry if this is an easily googleable thing but: why tf hasn’t the US had matrix head lights?
pdp10@reddit
The relevant U.S. FMVSS 108 regulation is extremely prescriptive. An example is that the only legal headlamps on new cars from 1940 to 1983, were glass sealed beam type:
And actually that narrative skips over year that rectangular sealed-beams were first made legal, with a similar furor.
bhop_monsterjam@reddit
you don't have to, google the answer is in the article 👍
RicardoMoyer@reddit
uh? some of us don’t know how to read?? check your privilege
Energy4Days@reddit
Cool but as someone who hit a deer and the replacement headlight was almost $2K and it was a Mazda, I can imagine a replacement for this costing $5K
pr1ntscreen@reddit
Doesn't insurance cover it if you crash the car or hit an animal?
SophistXIII@reddit
Correct. But these headlights can also burn out prematurely.
Adaptive LED headlight ($2k CAD just for the assembly) in my previous WRX burned out at around 48,000 kms. Asked Subaru to goodwill a portion of the replacement cost and they told me to go fuck myself.
I accept the cost of replacing anything on my Audi is going to be an arm and a leg, but it's a bit ridiculous for economy brands.
pdp10@reddit
Nobody wants to be an "economy brand" any more. Perhaps most notoriously, Volkswagen.
wootfatigue@reddit
I had water intrusion on one of the LED/Laser headlights on my 2022 BMW. The lights didn’t produced enough heat to burn off the water inside, so it was a permanently fogged “sealed” unit. BMW replaced it under warranty, but out of warranty it would’ve been around $4k and it’s not something insurance would cover.
DoublePostedBroski@reddit
Then your premium will increase
orangebikini@reddit
The price of more expensive repairs will usually be reflected in the cost of insurance.
Ecks83@reddit
Some of these cars already have the matrix headlight hardware installed but their full functionality limited by the software in North America (Audi, Merc, Volvo as far as I am aware have them but I'm not sure if it is all current models or what other brands have them installed by default).
If you hit a deer in one of those cars the price to replace the part wouldn't actually be any higher.
funnyfarm299@reddit
BMW also installs matrix headlights in USA-spec vehicles.
wootfatigue@reddit
It’s still an expensive headlight. The replacement for one of mine due to water intrusion would’ve been $7k if not for being under warranty.
Ecks83@reddit
Oh yeah I'm not disputing that. Just stating that the people driving those cars are already getting hit with the full cost of replacing matrix headlights but they aren't getting the full functionality of them.
FlorydaMan@reddit
Mazdas are consistent at having one of the worst lights since sealed beams.
MicrowavedPlatypus@reddit
My Mazda has probably the best headlight beam pattern out of all of the vehicles I own.
Energy4Days@reddit
How so?
avboden@reddit
I activated my Volvos adaptive highbeams with a software tweak. All the hardware is on the US Volvos with the steering lights it’s just disabled. They are fun watching dance around creating dim spots around cars while keeping the surrounding bright. Wild the US has been so behind for so long glad that is starting to change
musicartandcpus@reddit
The US has always been a step behind with car regulations.
pdp10@reddit
AtomWorker@reddit
Well, the US still thinks that it’s okay for brake lights to do double duty as turn signals.
pdp10@reddit
But to be fair, amber signals are also perfectly legal in the U.S., so the government isn't forcing cars to have bad indicators.
Some foreign models that have amber indicators everywhere else, come with red indicators in the U.S. I cannot fathom how that makes any sense. It can't be saving any money to have different configurations when it's not legally necessary.
Teledildonic@reddit
The worst is the models that are set up for proper blinkers but the clear housing is left empty so they can save $3 on parts.
JJJBLKRose@reddit
The real worst is the cars with brake lights and/or blinkers down at the bumper.
Teledildonic@reddit
Those suck, too.
Although my personal favorite is the fifth gen Ram. The middle third of he brake light housing isn't even light, and the LED blinker is actually amber...
But the LEDs are also the brake lights so it still has to disable them to blink. Like whey bother with amber at all if you cann't have the brakes and blinker lit at the same time?
watduhdamhell@reddit
"wild that the US has been so behind for so long glad that is starting to change"
Could apply to a dozen dozen dozen different items as compared to EU lmao. Primarily it's because one half the country tries to move forward while the other half tries their damndest to keep us in the stone age.
But anyway.
Mnm0602@reddit
Welcome to government bureaucracy. Tesla has had matrix LEDs on their cars since 21-22 and it took until 2024 for a software update to enable them to work.
UrbanRelays@reddit
In Canada we’ve had them legal for a while now. I was driving in front of a new model Y with matrix headlamps.
It was illuminating all of the trees around me to the point where I was thinking where the hell is this spotlight behind me lol, but never did it blind me.
It’s incredible technology.
bristow84@reddit
Yeah my RX350h has those same type of headlights, can never go back to the old style of auto headlight ever again.
jeffh19@reddit
Those aren't matrix headlights. Lexus have incredible headlights (I have a ES w/ triple beams) but matrix headlights are a whole new level that almost nobody in the country has experienced yet due to slow US regulations etc. Plenty of cars are sold with the technology globally but in the US the matrix technology is disabled from the factory. Go watch a YT video showing how matrix headlights work, they seem truly amazing and next level
bristow84@reddit
Oh shit I always thought they were the matrix style here in Canada because they adjusted and disabled parts of it depending on what the camera saw.
Prison-Butt-Carnival@reddit
Model S since 2022 as well.
MetaTrombonist@reddit
It should be noted that this bureaucracy is on purpose. It used to be considered a good thing to make it difficult for the government to change and update regulations quickly. They passed a law called "the Administrative Procedure Act" to make it take a long time. The idea came from people who believe by default that all government is bad government and wanted to slow down its ability to make and change rules.
Mnm0602@reddit
Ok but here is the absurdity. The law being followed didn’t even allow the government to act because cars were required by law to have dedicated high and low beam lights and matrix pixel lights flip that on its head and don’t fit the standard.
So instead of either getting creative and reinterpreting the law to add a safety innovation to the market, the govt agencies sat on their hands waiting for legislation. Legislation came in 2021 and what should have been a relatively quick approval process somehow turned into 2-3 years.
The absurdity of “it’s good the government is slow and plodding” coming from the same crowd that also likely wants more change and progress and bigger government is mind blowing to me.
MetaTrombonist@reddit
It's always been the goal of certain people to get elected by screaming about how bad the government is, then when they get elected they actively work to make things worse instead of better because that will help them get elected again.
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Arctic_27@reddit
Tesla Model 3 can use matrix led now?
sicilian504@reddit
I did the same with my BMW's. I enabled the "anti-dazzle" feature. The first time I tried it it was crazy watching the high beams go around other cars. It's an amazing feature.
SonnySwanson@reddit
Ford Lightning community does the same
funnyfarm299@reddit
As do BMW owners.
Sir_Sir_ExcuseMe_Sir@reddit
Where would one find such software?
aerostatic9000@reddit
Pretty sure it's Orbit if you have SPA models. They come with PIN unlocking, but it is a subscription software (but the activation of matrix is one and done).
avboden@reddit
yep, used Orbit
KSoMA@reddit
Unfortunately many models and pretty much all top trims of Audis have come with the same headlights as the Euro matrix headlights, but they are firmware locked. You have to pay $600 to some dude in Canada that allegedly has German security keys to remotely unlock and update your headlight firmware via a laptop and a special ethernet-OBD connection.
bmwkid@reddit
The Volvo third software support is actually pretty awesome. I have a V50 I imported from Japan and using VDASH I’ve been able to basically convert all the car functions to what would have come on a US car aside from satellite radio which it doesn’t have the antenna for
CrazySporkDude@reddit
Used FORSCAN to enable these on my F150 Lightning. Was fortunate Ford decided to use the same hardware across all markets, rather than a different/separate unit, as they have not done this with other models.
knowledgeable_diablo@reddit
But can the yank’s handle such a huge step forward i to the future of illumination technology? It is old hat in the rest of the world, but a big leap forward from incandescent bulbs they are most comfortable with. /s
manx6@reddit
Yeah okay buddy, next you're gonna start talking about "light emitting diodes" as if they're real. We prefer our OIL lamps in our OIL powered cars.
knowledgeable_diablo@reddit
The more whale the better? Im with ya. I live in the LED Matrix future and I’m sure they’re goverment 5G watching devices!
manx6@reddit
Honestly no one's talking about Beautiful Clean Whale Oil, and it's a capital P Problem.
Recent_Permit2653@reddit
Hey! I resemble that remark!
RT023@reddit
That video showing it is insane. This technology is incredible
I hope this isn’t buggy and accidentally beams cars when it’s not functioning properly lol
biciklanto@reddit
I first drove a Mercedes with it in 2014 in Germany. Worked great. That was a C-Class, mind you.
It’s not untested technology in any sense.
IamBusha@reddit
Works great on my model Y
MrReadilyUnready@reddit
Does it? Teslas are the most common car I get blinded by. The matrix lights seem to react way too late.
lurpeli@reddit
This technology has been around for a long time. The US just hasn't had it.
NotPumba420@reddit
It was buggy 10 years ago. Works perfect these days - at least in modern Mercedes I have tested. I assume Audi is equally good
Captain_Alaska@reddit
Matrix lights honestly work better than standard auto high beams because the car can simultaneously be more sensative to oncoming traffic while still lighting up the road.
For example in the Mazda3 I used to have it would regularly dip for the reflection of certain street signs but it didn't matter because it was still lighting up the rest of the road.
It doesn't really have the issue where it needs to see oncoming cars for a bit before getting enough confidence that it's a car before going into low beam, it just dips part of the lights the instant it sees anything vaguely resembling lights and then brings them back up after IDing it as something other than a car.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Wish the vehicle they came on wasnt so ugly
mazafakka@reddit
My ‘25 3RS has Matrix LED headlights that work the same way. Unfortunately, due to US regulations all of the LEDs are programmed from the factory to act as one big lightbulb. You can pay an individual with access to the software (PIWIS) to program your lights to work correctly, as they do in Europe, but it costs between $500 and $1000.
It’s stupid that I have to pay that on top of everything else just to have the safer version of the headlights that I should have gotten from the factory.
purz@reddit
Hopefully can bring ones that already have to the dealer to activate for free but not holding my breath. I believe both my RS’s have them but are deactivated
2AXP21@reddit
750 was the quote I got from a local tuner and apparently it resets if you take it in for service?
hehechibby@reddit
Curious how much for replacements lol
RicardoMoyer@reddit
my mom had to replace hers in her old Q5 (she hit a tree) and we just went through insurance cause the deductible was cheaper
i think the actual headlight was like 45k pesos (2300 ish us) at the dealer
this was back in 2021 though
ayyitzTwocatZ@reddit
If BMWs are like 3K a pop so these probably more than that.
wootfatigue@reddit
G26 4-Series adaptive laser/led headlights are $7k each.
Riverrattpei@reddit
The hardware was already in use in North America for years now, they were just programmed to function like standard headlights since the matrix function wasn't legal
gigamiga@reddit
Also they are so valuable and easy to remove they were getting stolen off of Porsches
KSoMA@reddit
Pretty much the same, most cars in the US that have the potential for matrix functionality actually already have the existing hardware and would just need to be software/firmware unlocked.
acey91@reddit
A good number of existing Audis in North America already have it, going back to 2018 or so... just disabled purely in software. This disabling doesn't make replacement units any cheaper, so absurdly expensive Audi headlights will stay at roughly the same level of being absurdly expensive.
ConfusedTapeworm@reddit
Shit's expensive. And not that easy to DIY because AFAIK the units need to be coded to the car otherwise they only work as dumb headlights.
rick_C132@reddit
Most of that stuff can be done with a $600 dollar scanner from launch or autel
mortalomena@reddit
Thats the previous gen tech, laser headlights are the most recent fad.
leyland1989@reddit
I hope there will be an official channel to unlock exiting car sold with digital matrix headlights.
dfsaqwe@reddit
and just when they're seeing the lowest us sales number in their history
thaigleshmk@reddit
That’s cool. Which cars have the best headlights tech in the US?
IntelligentRisk@reddit
Can they please program them to explicitly shine high beams at an oncoming driver’s eyes who themselves are driving with high beams? Search and destroy mission.
WatchStoredInAss@reddit
Only $10,000 to replace.
TripleShotPls@reddit
It's about damn time!