Don't have a Real ID? The TSA will charge you $45 to fly domestically
Posted by coasterghost@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 318 comments
Posted by coasterghost@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 318 comments
quesoqueso@reddit
Wait, so we can solve this security and safety situation by....charging a fee?
45 dollar "I am not a terrorist" fee? wtf?
coasterghost@reddit (OP)
$45 for 10 days. Mind you, Real ID became law 20 years ago.
quesoqueso@reddit
Yea, see, a REAL ID proves you never were and never will be a terrorist, and your identity is always accurate. 45 dollars only buys you 10 days of proof.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
No It just made all the other shitty States with poor IDs that were easy to duplicate to just come up with modern standards
That's all the ultimately was was just uniform standards
mmlovin@reddit
Bullshit lol
My California DL is just as secure as my real ID. Just cause I only brought the bill FOR house at the address mailed to me, I didn’t have the part that said where it was actually mailed to (the same fucking address). I had to renew my DL, like I’m gonna pay for that & later pay for the real ID cause I didn’t have that stupid paper?? & on top of that I already have a passport & a passport card?
I’m still getting charged this $45 ANYWAY?? that has jack shit to do with security
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Every state was different. You should have seen how shitty some State IDs were. California is probably the worst example because our IDs will already some of the most advanced in the nation.
Yeah these people should get charged $45. They had well over a decade to get one.
And yeah a passport totally satisfies the documentation you need to get a real ID
mmlovin@reddit
Yah that’s why to me the real ID is a scam. Just make all people get passports or a passport card to fly if you’re gonna do this
Now it’s I have to bring my passport & my DL to fly to southern CA? Cause my DL isn’t “secure” enough lol
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
It's not a scam and not everyone wants or needs a passport. Plus passports are way more expensive.
You had to bring your driver's license to Southern California because your lazy ass didn't get a real id.
I don't see how it's a scam you should see what some other state IDs looked like before updated security standards. Fuck Idaho was a laminated card for crying out loud 😂
Real ID brings everyone up to the same minimum standards. So you don't have IDs like Idaho which are just cardboard cards that were fucking laminated.
mmlovin@reddit
I wasn’t. I was intending to get a real ID & since I didn’t have that section of my bill, they wouldn’t let me. I needed my fucking DL renewed. You’re suggesting it’s lazy of me to not want to make another appt at the DMV, drive 45 mins, to bring back all the same shit, take another picture, & pay another $45 all cause somehow my passport isn’t enough to fly to LA?
The first time I got my license was in 2006. I got a new picture voluntarily in 2009 & I’m pretty sure most people didn’t even know about this or that it was even being offered. So the next time it needed to be renewed was 2020, & I was eligible to renew it online.
I literally just got my passport renewed in 2023 & that was a pain in the ass. Why the fuck is that not proof enough for the real ID? Cause it’s a goddamned scam. You can’t make people go through hoops to get a passport, & decide it’s more secure to go through different hoops to travel nationally. Like, planes are planes, trains are trains, boats are boats..they all fly from the same airports, stations, docks, etc.
But you think it’s reasonable to require someone who already paid $200 for a passport, to pay another $45 to fly nationally? wtf lol
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
You've had over 10 years to do this
The law passed 20 years ago. It's fucking insane people don't have real IDs at this point. The government has had to push back the deadline several times because of lazy ass people.
Make them pay the $45. It's not a fucking scam
You understand that when this law was passed some states literally had pieces of cardboard that were fucking laminated as their driver's license right?
Like you understand that right?
Not having basic standard security features across all states IDs is fucking insane.
Stop being lazy
mmlovin@reddit
I have a goddamned PASSPORT. That is literally not enough to get a real ID. It is not “more secure” to have both a passport & a real ID. It’s a fucking scam lol
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Do you understand that this law was passed because some states literally had driver's licenses that were pieces of cardboard laminated right?
How is bringing everyone up to modern security standards a scam?
mmlovin@reddit
Do you understand another 9/11 hasn’t happened even though real IDs weren’t being widely used? lol if they could just keep putting it off for 20 years, then clearly it wasn’t that important
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Who said anything about 9/11? Or terrorism?
These are about driver's licenses.
You understand it's completely insane that some states just had pieces of cardboard that were laminated right?
mmlovin@reddit
lol why do you think the original purpose was for real ID?
The 9/11 commission recommended it. It literally came about because of 9/11. It has nothing to do with driving. It’s just most people have a DL, so they don’t need a state ID
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
The purpose of the real ID was to bring States up to Modern standards because some of these state driver's licenses at the time could be duplicated by a 9 year old what a laser printer and laminator.
You understand how insane it is that there wasn't a uniform standard for basic security devices across driver's licenses right?
Like you understand that concept and principle right? À
mmlovin@reddit
The fact that showing you have a passport is not enough to get a real ID is a scam, you know that right??
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Not really.
I don't think you know what the word scam means.
mmlovin@reddit
TO BE CLEAR, YOU CANNOT JUST USE YOUR PASSPORT TO GET A REAL ID. You CAN use it as ONE source of your proof of residency/citizenship. You need at least a certified copy/original birth certificate, & 2 pieces of mail sent to your address. & I mean the part that you see before you open the mail. The statement with the address inside the bill/mail is not good enough. IN ADDITION TO YOUR PASSPORT. That is why I am saying it is a scam.
Example: on 09/28/2025, I brought my:
-2023 passport that does not expire until 2043
-a certified copy of my BC
-a complete cc bill that was unopened for 08/2025 with my name & address on my DL
-an electric bill for 08/2025 with the statement. I did not have the part that states your name/address before you open the envelope.
They turned me away IMMEDIATELY AFTER they realized my electric bill didn’t have that. My DL has been active since 2006, & has never had a different address. I’ve had the same address for almost 20 years. I have never lived in another state.
So yes, it is in fact a scam. The fact they were able to just push off the deadline for 20 years alone proves that. If it was actually so important, they would not keep extending it for decades
Oh & if you don’t have the real ID & use your passport, YOU HAVE TO BRING YOUR DL IN ADDITION TO THE PP. The exact same thing you need for international travel
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
I understand that
You've had well over a decade. It's not a scam.
States did not have equal security mechanisms in place. I don't get why you don't understand that.
mmlovin@reddit
I literally explained why I didn’t. You actually think California was offering real IDs 10 years ago? Cause it was 2018.
How long do you think the general public was even aware of the concept? 2017ish. During that time, I was due to update my DL one time. & I was able to do it online. & it was not due until 2025, when my DL was due to be renewed.
You’re not answering my question as to why they were able to just put it off if it was so important for national security?? It was not for driving. It was to prevent another 9/11, period.
Redneck-ginger@reddit
You can use your passport in place of a real id.
cat_prophecy@reddit
And has been pushed back a half dozen times already. Was anyone who wasn't living in the wilderness actually surprised by Real ID?
parakeetpoop@reddit
Well shit.
CorrectCombination11@reddit
precheck, global entry, nexus, passport, etc.
Firefighter_RN@reddit
No it's a compliance fine. You're out of compliance with the law, they have to spend time and effort on additional screening. Presumably the fine will increase a time or two until they no longer allow you to fly at all
doyouevenfly@reddit
Sounds like a $45 fee for something you should have done 10 years ago and now tsa has to do extra paperwork and inspections that take a lot of time.
newishanne@reddit
Bold of you to assume that you could have gotten a Real ID in some states 10 years ago.
mmlovin@reddit
If I have a passport, that is enough proof for a real ID lol like give me a break
quesoqueso@reddit
OK but here is my point on that. Having a state issued ID, technically modern plastic or not, is just an ID. It's not a background check, it's valid basically forever, etc.
If the TSA charges 45 bucks and does any sort of "background check" they could still easily keep a biometric matched fingerprint or photo on file, 11 days later they scan your face or fingerprint, and go "yea, that's you" and you keep moving.
Why does it expire in 10 days when a drivers license is good for 5, 10, 30 years?
TurnoverMysterious64@reddit
Nothing in the Real ID requirements certifies that someone is allowed to fly. That’s the job of the no-fly list. The point of requiring the Real ID to board a plane is to prevent someone who is on a no-fly list from using a fake id to get around that.
I’m not an expert in IDs, so I can’t speak to how much harder it is to fake a “real id” than an “old” id. But presumably it’s at least someone harder since that’s kinda the whole point of the program. It’s pretty clear that the intent of this fee is to pay for the additional time it takes security to verify someone’s identity from an “old” ID, plus to encourage those that haven’t updated their ID to go do that.
It expires because, even after the first time, they still need to verify your identity outside the normal process. Even if it’s easier after the first time — which seems to just be a hypothetical in your comment — the length it’s valid is pretty clearly designed to allow most people to return from the trip they’re on without paying the fee again, but to still encourage them to go and get the updated ID.
This isn’t the outrageous thing you claim it to be.
Advocateforthedevil4@reddit
Cost money to store data.
FiberApproach2783@reddit
To encourage people to get the real id.
B4SSF4C3@reddit
It’s not the “I’m not a terrorist” fee. It’s the “I still haven’t bothered getting a real ID despite being warned for years this was going to happened” fee. Aka the lazy ass fee.
mfigroid@reddit
In my defense, they kind of sprang this whole Real ID thing on me. /s
aaronhayes26@reddit
Yea if real id is as big of a deal as we’ve all been told you should not be able to buy your way out of it…
GGCRX@reddit
I'd argue it's the same with precheck and global entry.
They should be doing this kind of screening on passengers by default. Anyone who can't pass a precheck screening probably shouldn't be allowed on airplanes, which means that screening should be accomplished for everyone who wants to get on airplanes.
And yes, I know the enhanced checkpoint screening is meant to stop people who haven't been pre-screened from bringing dangerous things on the plane, but if that's the case it's kind of interesting that you can buy Swiss Army knives in the secure zones of many airports.
It's also interesting that you can buy bottles of vodka in the duty-free store, obtain paper towels from the bathroom, and are allowed to bring a cigarette lighter past security as long as it's in your pocket and not in your luggage.
Not too hard to figure out what a bad actor could do with this knowledge, so it would be more secure if all air travelers had to go through the precheck screening process rather than reserving it only for people willing to cough up money.
That it's not either means the TSA is willingly allowing people on planes when they don't know if they're going to do something bad, or the TSA knows all the enhanced screening at checkpoints is semi-secure at best, and is doing it anyway.
Either way, it's a problem.
JonstheSquire@reddit
This would be massive violation of people's civil rights. It would be China level social monitoring.
I have no problem with people who have convicted of fraud or immigration violations flying on domestic flights.
Manacit@reddit
It’s a good thing Reddit doesn’t run the federal government
Super_Fightin_Robit@reddit
The sad part is um, as of this year, we've let the dumbest parts of Reddit run the federal government.
skeptical-speculator@reddit
I don't know. It would do some good for some people to learn things the hard way.
Manacit@reddit
Bold of you to assume anyone would learn from the experience
GGCRX@reddit
Yeah, I wasn't clear enough. Precheck is supposed to be a pre-screening program that weeds out people who need extra scrutiny when going through security at the airport. Anyone who can't pass a Precheck that's actually designed with that in mind shouldn't be on airplanes because Precheck should, in an ideal and just world, begin and end with "is this person likely to present a danger to the flight?"
If the answer to that is yes, I think it's questionable whether they should be on the airplane in the first place given that with enough creativity and a bare minimum of science knowledge, there are plenty of items scattered around airports that you could use to create significant danger to the flight.
Where I wasn't clear was in acknowledging that Precheck as it's pitched to the public and Precheck as it's actually run are two different standards, and the actual program denies people for stupid reasons.
International travelers don't count, they do Global Entry, not Precheck which is domestic-only.
Which is my whole point. I have Precheck because I passed a background check when I signed up. How do they know I haven't gone insane since then? Ted Bundy was actively murdering people for four years, and the whole time one of his best friends was a cop.
Precheck and the TSA system as a whole, as implemented, doesn't make sense because it purports to be able to tell whether or not I am going to be a problem to a high enough degree of accuracy that they no longer need to intensively screen me to make sure I'm not carrying things with which to cause problems.
As you pointed out, that's an impossible ask in the first place and in the second, it implies that, because they're not doing those checks on other passengers we have to make sure those other passengers aren't carrying dangerous things onto the plane. But that stops making sense when you realize you can make a firebomb or a bladed weapon out of things you can easily and legally obtain post-security in airports all over the country, which means we should logically be conducting those prechecks (well-designed ones, not the stupid ones we have now) on everyone.
As it stands now, Precheck is solely to get me to pay money to skip a line. It is not making air travel any safer or more dangerous than before the program rolled out.
JonstheSquire@reddit
No. You have it backwards. It literally weeds out people who need less scrutiny.
quesoqueso@reddit
and a Real ID is just a "modern" piece of plastic, to my knowledge there is no one-time or ongoing background and security checks done because you have one. So this 10-day thing is actually more advanced than just having a REAL ID.
What if I found a REAL ID in a parking lot and it looks like me? Does that "modern plastic" do anything to protect anyone in that instance?
Ewenthel@reddit
The REAL ID standard only requires you to prove that you’re legally present in the US. It’s one of the dumbest post-9/11 changes, which is probably why it got delayed so many times.
ForeverYonge@reddit
It’s worse than that, many legal statuses are not eligible for Real ID by the interpretation of some states and clerks. Both TN and H1B aren’t eligible where I live, for example.
JonstheSquire@reddit
No. Real ID is a database with enhanced vetting for the information in the database. If you do not have a Real ID, it is more time consuming and less reliable to verify someone's identity.
Narrow_Affect2648@reddit
Not being allowed to fly is a bit extreme. I think convicted felons and obviously many international travelers can’t obtain pre check status due to the citizenship requirement, so you’d be excluding a lot of travelers. There’s a lot of edge cases where people may not be able to obtain precheck status but should still be able to fly. Precheck also requires background screening that realID does not require.
JonstheSquire@reddit
The alternate verification system is very time consuming. No one is paying this fee simply to avoid the hassle of getting a Real ID.
sudoku7@reddit
And ... I imagine the price point is such to deal with some of the hold outs opting not to get a real id compliant id card due to the price difference.
themodefanatic@reddit
DISNT they say you could still fly without a real id you just had to go through more screening at the airport.
Now they’re saying you’ll be charged a fee.
jxl180@reddit
You aren’t buying your way out of it. You don’t pay $45 then they wave you through. The Confirm ID verification process takes 10-30 minutes to verify the identity of someone without a RealID.
They don’t want people who refuse to get a Real ID to make the 30 minute background check to verify their identity their default, so they have a fee assessed to discourage people going this route.
Did you bother to read the article?
TexasBrett@reddit
It’s almost like paying for a thorough background check isn’t a thing.
Sock_Eating_Golden@reddit
Think about the "cellphone lot." If you leave your car they'll tow it for security.
If you pay to park? No worries, leave it as long as you like.
sudoku7@reddit
I think it's more of "we are charging you for the additional work we have to do to validate your identity when affirming that you're safe to fly" type fee than a expediating fee.
The_World_Wonders_34@reddit
Look, I am probably as fuck the TSA As It Gets, but I think it's pretty obvious here, and reading the article seems to confirm this, that the people paying this fee will also have to go through an extra process and the fee ostensibly pays for that process.
anactualspacecadet@reddit
Yeah, you’re paying for a background check. If you pay for TSA precheck which is like $200 a year security is much less stringent at the airport. You’ve never watched people go through precheck and leave shoes and jackets on?
ProjectNo864@reddit
They wanted him because he is a businessman and will have the government run a business….
quesoqueso@reddit
if I buy a five million dollar golden passport or visa or whatever, does that come with global entry or pre-check or something? /s
verstohlen@reddit
Now you're starting to get it.
seanpuppy@reddit
You can get through without a real id (Forgot passport card at home, drivers license had just expired) but it takes a lot more time per person, slows everything down, and takes atleast one TSA employee per person out of circulation.
The $45 isn't to prove your not a terrorist, its to punish dumbasses like myself for not having their shit together. Otherwise everyone else has to wait longer to get through TSA.
JonstheSquire@reddit
No. You are paying a fee so that they verify your identity.
lamp37@reddit
People without the REAL ID will go through an extra identity verification screening managed by TSA, which is what the fee pays for.
It's amazing the things you can learn from reading the article!
gththrowaway@reddit
$45 fee to run a manual check because you are a lazy POS fee.
grapplerzz@reddit
No one who has 45 dollars could be an evil man!
delinquentfatcat@reddit
They'll charge extra for terrorist so it's economically disincentivized.
LowEmergencyCaptain@reddit
10 day not-a-terrorist pass.
handsmahoney@reddit
terrorists don't have 45 dollars
safe-viewing@reddit
Just make passports mandatory to travel.
No reason why someone shouldn’t have a passport.
Remove some of the burdens for getting a passport (ex: fee waiver for low income folks)
UnicodeScreenshots@reddit
There's plenty of reasons someone wouldn't have a passport. Most notably, not needing a passport.
StreetyMcCarface@reddit
Just get a passport ffs, you all should have one anyways
KickFacemouth@reddit
When so many people are struggling to make ends meet, do you think it's appropriate to tell them to just spend $130 per family member, deal with government forms, and have to go in to a processing location... So they can have a little book they can't afford to use?
Outage over people not having passports is one of those "showing your privilege" things.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Or just get a real ID
I don't know why people are fighting this so hard you've had over 10 years to get one
StreetyMcCarface@reddit
In some states the process has been way more difficult than getting a passport.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
No that's just excuses.
The process is just a couple forms of id. God the law passed 20 years ago that means everyone's driver's license has expired at least once and they still chose not to get one LOL
I'm glad this is happening. It's ridiculous to government had a push back the deadline as many times as they've had
jonknee@reddit
It depends on the state, some are even today issuing non compliant drivers licenses (like Washington where I live).
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Yeah California was doing the same thing you can pick which one you want
Why wouldn't you pick a real ID though? You know you're going to have to get one eventually
It's been almost 20 years lol
I'm glad all these people have to pay $45. It's ridiculous how slow this has been to implement.
MortimerDongle@reddit
Pennsylvania still charges an extra fee for a Real ID, so it makes sense that people who never expect to fly wouldn't get one.
Thequiet01@reddit
Also last I was there the process was still a giant PITA.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
I just walked in with a passport and social security card and took about 10 minutes.
Make an appointment and have the documentation.
Thequiet01@reddit
Many people do not have passports or copies of their social security card. Getting either is a major process.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
There's like 10 or 15 different pieces of documentation you can use
Thequiet01@reddit
And most people do not have them. This is a common issue with getting official ID.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
You've had 10 years to get one.
How are these people getting jobs without a social security card
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
It doesn't though because it's obvious they're eventually all going to be phased out.
And what's the fee and extra 10 bucks or something?
MortimerDongle@reddit
$30, so it almost doubles the cost of a new license ($39)
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
A whole $30 that you had over 10 years to save up for?
Thequiet01@reddit
You do understand that some people are in a precarious enough financial situation that they cannot save $30, right?
Also the entire process at the PA DMV takes forever and you need a ton of documentation that people often do not have, which is more $$ to get official copies.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Well they're going to figure it out when real ID is all you can get
And no you don't need a ton of documentation. Show me the PA requirements
My money is on two pieces of documentation, it probably give you a good list of 10 or 15 pieces of documentation that you can bring
Thequiet01@reddit
How do you get the documentation if you don’t have it? Oh right it takes more time and more money. Where is a homeless person keeping $30 safely where it won’t be stolen in ten years?
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
What homeless person is flying?
It's been over 10 years. It's just ridiculous at this point.
jonknee@reddit
It cost more and wasn't as simple as hitting renew online which is why I didn't get mine until recently. Since it made zero difference at all most people preferred to not schedule an appointment and provide a bunch of documents.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
It's been over 10 years you guys are the reason why society move slow
No-Movie-800@reddit
Illinois just started issuing REAL IDs in April 2019. Less than a year later they started auto-renewing everything to avoid people getting COVID from unnecessary trips to the secretary of state office. Now whenever I walk by the secretary of state office there's a line around the block 30 mins before they open. Why would you wait in line for hours to update a perfectly legal DL that's good for a few more years when you can fly with a passport? If the Chicago metro area were a state it'd be the 11th biggest by population, so it's really not a niche situation.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Because if you wait too long you're going to be in an even longer line with people just like you?
No-Movie-800@reddit
But in a few years you would have been there anyways. To renew your driver's license. Do you renew your driver's license early to avoid potential future lines? That's what you're saying people should do. If you have a legal document for flying and a legal document for driving there's no need to rush to get a third legal document that can do both. That is why many people in states that rolled real ID out late and still offer non-compliant drivers licenses don't have one yet.
You said it was due to people being lazy or making excuses, and I'm pointing out that for millions of people with passports, military ID or GE it's essentially an unnecessary trip to the DMV and will be until their non-compliant license expires again.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Or you can just get it out of the way since you know you have to do it anyway
Shit I got mine so long ago it's already expired LOL
The fact that the government has had to push this back several times is ridiculous.
StreetyMcCarface@reddit
This is not about implementation (I think we all agree it’s been a shitshow), it’s about options available to everyday citizens in this current predicament. Options exist, use them.
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
No it's their fault society doesn't advance at the speed it should.
Make them pay the $45
TogaPower@reddit
Because being an adult is hard for some people, especially your typical redditor.
IdaDuck@reddit
I’ve been overseas a few times. Maybe will again after I retire.
Throwawayne617@reddit
You dont need an ID... Home of the Free?
StreetyMcCarface@reddit
As much as I don’t like it, freedom of transportation is not a constitutional right and even if it was, the freedom to fly wouldn’t necessarily be covered there. Amtrak, carpooling, and the bus all exist as alternatives
Throwawayne617@reddit
Well currently an ID isn't required. So what changed?
gbsekrit@reddit
that’s what I wondered.. you can legally fly without ID, are they going to charge non-ID people $45?
imbasicallycoffee@reddit
"or passport" just to fix the title.
egguw@reddit
it blows my mind people go on flights without a passport. or even a drivers license as a form of id
hobbesmaster@reddit
Why should you be stranded if someone steals your wallet?
Spark_Ignition_6@reddit
It's possible to fly domestically without any form of ID in that situation. Tedious and difficult but that happened to me and TSA had some special procedures and questions for me but let me through.
jon_targareyan@reddit
Carrying passport when you technically don’t need it is cumbersome. ID can fit inside a wallet, passports can’t
RedditZhangHao@reddit
Easily obtained US Passport Cards easily fit in a wallet. Same size as typical drivers licenses in the US, and other US Federal IDs similarly meeting Real ID requirements.
Until my drivers license expires in a few years or I relocate to a new state, I’ll continue carrying my Passport Card and/or other other US Federal IDs for domestic flights.
Nefariousd7@reddit
This is what I have been using
jon_targareyan@reddit
I have the passport card as well, and I do carry that if I’m traveling domestically. My original point about the passport book being a hassle to carry unless you absolutely must still stands tho
etheran123@reddit
I suppose but are you ever getting on a plane with just your wallet? Im always bringing a backpack at the minimum (I think thats pretty normal) and the amount of space a passport takes up is a rounding error.
Redneck-ginger@reddit
My son works out of town as a welder. When he flies home to visit he brings nothing on the plane with him. Basically goes straight from the jobsite to the airport.
My Dad is a pilot. In my entire life i have never seen that man bring anything on the plane except a magazine when he was flying for non work trips.
po000O0O0O@reddit
what if the bag gets stolen or lost? That's one more important document you have to deal with recovering, not to mention ID theft potential etc.
etheran123@reddit
IDK, I mean the same argument could be made about a wallet. What if you lose it somewhere or get pickpocketed? Should we just require no identification because its inconvenient? IDK I just dont see how its a big deal.
po000O0O0O@reddit
No, the same argument cannot be made, are you serious?
I'm gonna have my wallet with me regardless of if I bring my passport or not. A wallet is a "necessary risk" in that regard. A passport is one more thing I could lose when I otherwise would not in such an incident.
schwanerhill@reddit
I'm carrying my wallet -- or potentially a phone with an ID sleeve in lieu of a wallet -- no matter what. I don't necessarily have a second bag which has anything as annoying to lose / have stolen while travelling as my primary ID.
(I might well have things, like my laptop, that are more expensive to replace than my ID, but nothing that is more annoying to replace while travelling than my ID.)
schwanerhill@reddit
I'm walking around the city when I arrive with just my wallet for sure. It's not uncommon at all that I'll be leaving my bag with the hotel front desk or in the conference room before checking in / after checking out of my accommodation. That can easily be a place where I'm not too worried about security and am willing to risk losing my clothes or even my laptop but not my ID. Having wallet-sized ID and no passport book to worry about is nice in those circumstances.
jon_targareyan@reddit
You are bringing a bag at least but then you gotta put it in the bag, take it out of the bag to prove your identity, then gotta put it back in the bag. Not an insane amount of work, but why would you do it if you have an ID that does the job?
Also, passports are kinda more fragile so you have to be extra careful to make sure it doesn’t get bent/corrupted.
resilindsey@reddit
You can also use the passport card for domestic flights. I like using it more often just in general (bars, buying liquor) because my picture turned out better than on my drivers'.
osmiumblue66@reddit
This. If your traveling to Mexico, the Caribbean, or Canada, it's all you need.
mfigroid@reddit
Land and sea crossings only. Air requires the passport book.
osmiumblue66@reddit
Yep, I missed that one. For domestic air only the card is fine. Thanks for the correction.
SereneRandomness@reddit
Yah, as I said in another comment, I carry my passport card and use that at the airport and most other places that ask for ID. I use my drivers license for driving.
Aside from the photo being better, random people asking me for ID/proof of age don't need to see my address.
imbasicallycoffee@reddit
I never bothered getting a realID as I've always had my passport and it's really not annoying to travel domestically with a passport. Getting a RealID was more steps and hurdles to renew my passport so (shrugs) just never went through getting it. I most likely will next year.
SciGuy013@reddit
The realid is incredibly easy. A passport and 2 pieces of mail is all that’s needed.
duckwebs@reddit
The two pieces of mail can actually be difficult. I had to renew my DL while I was displaced by a natural disaster and my address was ambiguous. They also seem to want social security cards, even though those aren't ID. I haven't seen my social security card in decades.
Redneck-ginger@reddit
You can request a new social security card online in most cases. The new card is mailed to you. Dont detach the card from the piece with your address on it and leave it in the envelope. Now you have your social security card AND a piece of offical mail.
duckwebs@reddit
Not worth the trouble for multiple reasons.
SciGuy013@reddit
I have gotten real ids in 4 states. They never asked for SSN card.
You can literally just print out a bank statement and car insurance or rental/house insurance from the websites and those count.
foxwaffles@reddit
Unless you live in a state like NC where the DMVs are absolute dogwater
No spots months out, waiting hours and hours even if you show up on time, and then they close and welp sucks to suck
imbasicallycoffee@reddit
My local DMV branches that have zero appointments for the next month and don't accept walk ins for RealID purposes would beg to differ.
New_Relative_1871@reddit
i have a passport and had to renew my license a few months ago. i went through the process of getting a real ID because i dont wanna have to drag my passport along just for a domestic flight, its more convenient to have my drivers license in my pocket and just show that instead of lugging along my passport everywhere
osmiumblue66@reddit
Passport card solves the same problem, and also works when crossing some international borders too.
FredDerfman@reddit
Exactly. Came to say the same thing.
Unquietgirl@reddit
I had to be THAT person on a recent flight because I did the same thought process and I grabbed the wrong passport when I leftt the house. If my driver's license was a real ID it wouldn't have been an issue because I always have it on me. I will be getting myself a real I d.
imbasicallycoffee@reddit
I travel with a backpack that has a security pocket. My passport comes out of it twice while traveling and I also go to and from Canada pretty regularly so the passport thing doesn't bother me at all. I understand it though. I'm probably going to get a passport card next renewal or request one separately even just for that purpose.
Gibbie42@reddit
That. My state didn't even offer RealID until a couple of years ago and to even apply for it I have to go in person. It was just way easier to renew my license online last time and just use my passport. Honestly, the biggest problem is proving my state residency. With most everything online I don't have bills or stuff mailed to me with my address on them. Hell employers are pushing you to send W2s electronically. How the hell do I prove where I live other than with my driver's license?
Unquietgirl@reddit
This works until you do what I did and grab the wrong passport 🤣
jonknee@reddit
Why would you take a passport for a domestic trip? The issue is states were not all on the same page so there are some of them that haven't been issuing Real ID compliant IDs (I live in Washington which was one of them, I had to get the extra Enhanced ID for my DL to be Real ID compliant).
ruidh@reddit
I have a NY "Not for Federal purposes" license. I use my passport card when flying. I don't need a RealID.
SereneRandomness@reddit
Yah, I carry my passport card and use that at the airport and most other places that ask for ID. I use my drivers license for driving.
Random people asking me for ID/proof of age don't need to see my address.
Not-Amused1234@reddit
I take my passport card. Already have it, no need to get a real ID compliant driver's license.
ruidh@reddit
You never had your wallet stolen while on vacation? Lucky you.
beastpilot@reddit
Not all drivers licenses are Real ID's, and only 50% of americans have a passport.
Allaplgy@reddit
A DL is not necessarily a Reall ID.
Mine isn't, because last time I renewed, they required a piece of mail sent to my address. I brought the renewal notice. They said that didn't count because it from them. I had to bring a power bill or even a piece of junk mail. So official government mail doesn't count, but a life insurance mailer does. I just said "fuck it, I'll just carry my passport then."
Unquietgirl@reddit
That's why I originally didn't have my real.I d because I was caregiver for my mom and I didn't have any of the types of documents that you had to prove residency. It was a real hole in the system.
ThrowAwaAlpaca@reddit
I haven't had a passport for 25y and traveled all over Europe and even turkey which has special agreements that Id is enough. It's extremely common in Europe as well..
GolfArgh@reddit
Yes, a passport is also Real ID like many others included many state IDs, military IDs, global entry cards, etc.
Starbucks__Lovers@reddit
For some reason, TSA told my wife that her military dependent ID wasn’t a real ID
GolfArgh@reddit
They’re humans, they screw up sometimes.
mfigroid@reddit
Like when they think Americans with a District of Columbia ID are from that country in South America?
duckwebs@reddit
Or New Mexico plates get pulled over because they're Mexican while Baja Californians are american...
GolfArgh@reddit
Don't forget trying to buy a coffee with a two dollar bill.
mfigroid@reddit
Wait a sec. Hold up. There is a "New" Mexico? /s
newishanne@reddit
Easy there, Mr. Burns!
KY_Fli-Guy@reddit
Well said
bf2019@reddit
Military spouse and dependent ids are acceptable forms of id. They made a mistake
Starbucks__Lovers@reddit
Yes. They made the mistake at EWR, DTW, and AUS. It’s incredibly frustrating
bf2019@reddit
I can understand the frustration.
duckwebs@reddit
Sometimes you have to remind them.
Until they rolled out the card reader machines, I used a federal PIV-II card, just like the TSA wear, but from a different agency. About 10% of they time they would look at me like a space alien (most people usually don't...) and sometimes they'd ask for something else, and sometimes ask a colleague who would point out it's the same as theirs.
duckwebs@reddit
“RealID” only applies to state issued ID. There are a dozen or more federally issued IDs that they’ll accept.
GolfArgh@reddit
No the Act also applied to federally issued IDs as well a native nation issued IDs. I still remember having to bring additional documentation in for DoD dependent ID cards for them to be Real ID compliant.
hobbesmaster@reddit
It’s Real ID or other acceptable identification. The Real ID act specifically sets out requirements for state IDs and drivers licenses. https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/real-id-act-text.pdf
Anything issued by a different entity isn’t real ID. An EDL issued by a state isn’t Real ID either, it’s defined in a separate law.
GolfArgh@reddit
Perfect! Thanks, I stand corrected.
duckwebs@reddit
The act may have, but a RealID is a specific thing. That thing is a state issued ID that meets federal requirements. Federal ID is just a federal ID.
infowhiskey@reddit
So passport is good? No $45 fee?
Tattered_Reason@reddit
Passport or passport card.
Organic_Radio_2890@reddit
Yeah a passport works. Certain states like AZ didn’t start giving out real IDs until Sept 2024 so it makes sense that a passport works as well.
infowhiskey@reddit
Thank you!
Real_TomBrady@reddit
Did you read the first sentence of the article?
infowhiskey@reddit
No.
Real_TomBrady@reddit
Maybe try doing that
infowhiskey@reddit
No.
chills1138@reddit
Yes. You can also use a global entry card, if you have one.
infowhiskey@reddit
Thank you!
duckwebs@reddit
Or any of a number of other forms of ID that are acceptable at TSA.
Ashottyhunter@reddit
Supposed to be acceptable forms of ID. Assuming proper training and competence. Was given a piece of paper with a QR code and sent through “additional screening” because my Veteran’s Health ID card was not accepted as Real ID by a specific TSA agent.
The QR code sends you to a list of acceptable forms of ID for Real ID purposes and the Veteran’s Health ID is literally on the list. From what I’ve seen, doesn’t seem like a super uncommon issue to run into.
duckwebs@reddit
I have a handful of federal IDs. I don’t have a RealID. It’s minutes for me from curb to airside.
TheModernCurmudgeon@reddit
So it’s not about security it’s about squeezing more money from people, just like the express TSA line
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
No it's about security but it's been close to 20 years now and people still don't have real ids. The government is getting sick and tired of pushing back the deadline 15 times
Just get a real ID
pdf_file_@reddit
Why isn't getting a real id free then like in every other country
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Regular IDs aren't free either
pdf_file_@reddit
The fuck is a regular id
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
An ID that isn't a real ID. You know the ones that you guys have been getting for the last 15 years even though a real ID was an option but you purposely chose not to get that
pdf_file_@reddit
Do you mean an ID that actually served a purpose like letting you drive or travel across countries? Those are free in other countries as well btw you buffoon
UpbeatAssumption5817@reddit
Yeah a lot of stuff is free in other countries that isn't here
It's almost as if they're different countries
coasterghost@reddit (OP)
Least TSA Pre-check is ~$80 for five years. This is $45 for 10 days.
TheModernCurmudgeon@reddit
And it went from “hey you absolutely need this to fly, go get it” to “pay extra and change nothing”
coasterghost@reddit (OP)
There are use cases for TSA-Precheck. I fly with camera gear and I’ve been considering it to not take up 7 bins…again…
osmiumblue66@reddit
There's always "that guy" it seems. I've been thinking about pre check since I fly 3 to 5 times a year round trip to help take care of elderly parents. Think it's worth it for that?
coasterghost@reddit (OP)
That is entirely up to you. I don’t know which airport to fly in and out of so I don’t know how that would benefit you versus like in my use case. I happen to fly in and out of majority of the time top 15 busiest airports in the United States, mainly Orlando and New York. So whatever your use cases will be different than mine considering I’m also flying with a ton of electronics.
osmiumblue66@reddit
Originating out of a small regional and headed to a major hub, but usually fly sky priority so I guess I'll weigh it for the next couple trips. Thanks!
coasterghost@reddit (OP)
Sorry I can’t be much more of assistance. I’ll be honest as well, in my case I don’t mind spending the $8 more a year in the grand scheme of things so I may just opt for Global Entry that does include TSA-Precheck. While it would be overkill, currently, it would be time a decent option to have considering the cost difference.
blimeyfool@reddit
There's virtually no difference between pre check and regular TSA these days. Biggest thing is the body scanner vs metal detector. Otherwise its the same bag scanners, leave your shoes on, etc etc.
coasterghost@reddit (OP)
From what I’ve experienced in the last few months depends on the airport.
GolfArgh@reddit
Your post stirred up the conspiracy cucks.
coasterghost@reddit (OP)
I figured as much and if the mods see this, my commiserations. I just find it funny and on brand for Reddit that people would have an issue with someone willing to be considerate. It honestly sucks having to take like 5-7 bins when flying out of New York. I just don’t wanna deal with that crap going forward. Don’t tell them I’m considering due to the cost/benefit ratio, Global Entry. ;)
JonstheSquire@reddit
Would you prefer that people without it be prevented from using air travel?
duckwebs@reddit
And a lot of credit cards will cover the precheck cost as a perk.
verstohlen@reddit
This guy governments.
WestyMan1971@reddit
Exactly. Always a buck to be made. I guess they figure terrorists won’t have $45?
Far_Cat9782@reddit
People keep cockriding "business" people and coting them in office of course they are going to treat government like a business and eshitify everything.
TheFuzzyMachine@reddit
At this point if you don’t have a real id/passport and are complaining about it, I don’t really know what to say. They have been pushing real id far longer than an ID’s entire expiration term… maybe multiple times over. Just get a real id or use your passport.
KickFacemouth@reddit
I was about to say, they've been saying this was coming for at least a decade
5Citizen4@reddit
Some of us are undocumented. I don't need an ID to vote. Why should you need a special ID to fly?
Push__Webistics@reddit
When I renewed my passport last year, I selected the passport card option so I don’t have to upgrade my drivers license to a real ID and I’m good for 10 years.
I also don’t have to carry my passport booklet for domestic flights.
Spirit_jitser@reddit
It's not even a lot more work to get it when renewing your drivers license/state ID. I think all I needed to do was confirm my place of residence.
Thequiet01@reddit
It’s a ton more work in PA.
yanvail@reddit
What's surprising is they are only charging a fee. Flights should be denied if you don't have a real ID/Passport.
DrewinSWDC@reddit
It’s been FOREVER
til13@reddit
I generally agree. However, since states were late to the game. I think Arizona didn't start issuing real IDs until a year ago.
leonffs@reddit
Not correct. 2016.
pdf_file_@reddit
Is a passport from another country valid?
TLCM-4412@reddit
Why the charge?
Imperial_Eggroll@reddit
I’m sick of the crowd that can’t be bothered to get a real ID. This was a law for decades that got pushed back so many times. Get compliant people!
its_just_an_app@reddit
It’s the concept….buy a new id that’s useless
B4SSF4C3@reddit
This “new” ID has been around longer than you’ve had your current OR your previous license.
its_just_an_app@reddit
Again—-what does a real id that a normal can’t? “Federal limits apply” is a fuggin joke.
Read the comments and you’ll see everyone agrees
B4SSF4C3@reddit
If you had read the comments you would see that:
a) not everyone agrees (not that it matters either way even if they did), and;
b) the answer to your question, that you are asking again, apparently, despite it having been answered already.
But here, I’ll save you some time
its_just_an_app@reddit
I get it, you love shilling out extra dollars to government for fake assurance of security. I get it. Have a nice day and let’s drop this discussion
B4SSF4C3@reddit
Just stop sude
duchess_of_fire@reddit
the real ids have been a thing for so long, i would've thought most people would've needed to renew their id's anyways, so not really "buying" a new id, so much as renewing their existing.
unlike this $45 to buy their way onto a plane
TexasBrett@reddit
How is it useless to have a secure form of ID?
GolfArgh@reddit
To be fair, some states farted around at this forever. You shouldn’t have to get an expensive passport when your state should do it for their license.
gththrowaway@reddit
If you can't afford a real id, you probs can't afford to fly.
GolfArgh@reddit
Some flights are cheaper than a passport which was the only option for some states until a few years ago. Some still have their license from before they decided to opt in.
duckwebs@reddit
I fly almost weekly and don’t have or intend to get a RealID. And it’s rarely more than five minutes for me to go curb to airside.
deleted_by_reddit@reddit
[removed]
AutoModerator@reddit
Your comment or post has been automatically removed from /r/aviation. Posts/Comments from new accounts are automatically removed by our automated systems. We, and many other large subreddits, do this to combat spam, spambots, and other activities that are not condusive to the sub. In the meantime, participate on Reddit to build your acouunt age and this restriction will go away. Also, please familiarize yourself with this subreddit's rules, which you can find in the sidebar or by clicking this link. Do not contact the moderation team unless you feel you have received this message/action in error. We will not manually approve comments or posts from new accounts.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
Particular_Reality19@reddit
How can anybody not have a real ID at this point?
SnooMachines5267@reddit
I got thru TSA they didnt do any background check. They likely didnt care. Also theres no new info on my valid ID vs my REAL id except the real id logo. So tell me what the purpose is? Consenting for the government to store my picture in their database?
Living_Young1996@reddit
I'm so glad Maine has resisted the Real ID for the last 15 years.
Ok-Sundae4092@reddit
Why?
aviation-ModTeam@reddit
Your post has been removed for breaking the r/aviation rules.
When posting a link to an article, please use the article's headline as the post's title, rather than your own interpretation of the content.
If you believe this was a mistake, please message the moderators through modmail. Thank you for participating in the r/aviation community.
Worth-Distribution17@reddit
I have a feeling that someone close to the current admin will be awarded this contract…
aviation-ModTeam@reddit
This content was removed for breaking the r/aviation rules.
This subreddit is dedicated to aviation and the discussion of aviation, not politics and religion. For discussion of these subjects, please choose a more appropriate subreddit.
If you believe this was a mistake, please message the moderators through modmail. Thank you for participating in the r/aviation community.
oboshoe@reddit
Probably.
But it's okay. Because someone close to the next administration will get the renewal.
SharkWeekJunkie@reddit
Misleading. You can ALWAYS use a passport.
KaesekopfNW@reddit
True, but half the country doesn't have a passport, and I would wager a good chunk of those folks also didn't take an opportunity the last ten years to get a Real ID, so here we are.
SharkWeekJunkie@reddit
Both Real ID and Passports should be 100% free. This forced commerce is a tax on poor people. And you come at it like these folk are less than others for choosing dinner and rent instead of renewing their already valid drivers license. So where are we again?
KaesekopfNW@reddit
I actually agree that these should be free up to a point. If you're going to use an ID to drive, there's nothing wrong with charging people a fee to help maintain roads. But a simple ID to use for most other purposes, like travel or voting? That should be free.
But we live in the world where it isn't, and these IDs aren't terribly costly in the grand scheme of things, especially when folks have had a decade to work it out. I think the TSA fee may actually be more than the ID in many states.
mfigroid@reddit
Gas taxes and federal funds maintain the roads. DMV fees maintain the DMV.
KaesekopfNW@reddit
It's both, and it obviously depends on the state you're in.
duckwebs@reddit
Plenty of state taxes pay to maintain the roads in most states, too.
Throwawayne617@reddit
But can I still fly without and ID?
SharkWeekJunkie@reddit
I don't get it. No?
Throwawayne617@reddit
I currently don't need an ID to Fly... So is ID now necessary?
Alex6714@reddit
Where are you that you don’t need an ID to fly? I can’t think of anywhere currently you can fly without ID.
Throwawayne617@reddit
Boston Massachusetts.
In the event you arrive at the airport without acceptable identification (whether lost, stolen, or otherwise), you may still be allowed to fly. By providing additional information, TSA has other ways to confirm your identity so you can reach your flight.
Per TSA website. ID has never been mandatory. Just makes things easier but flown many times without it.
CannonAFB_unofficial@reddit
I guess if you enjoy wasting your time at the airport with TSA, sounds like you have it all figured out. I’ll be in the Centurion lounge slamming bloodys while you…do that.
Throwawayne617@reddit
I guess that if I had spent 900 bucks I would also make it a priority to make my money back. I will be at the spirit and frontier gates fighting the fight.
cooljacob204sfw@reddit
You can fly domestically without an ID but it's a pain and have to prove your identity somehow.
ThrowAwaAlpaca@reddit
No, you can also pay the 10$... Is it really that hard to read the link?
SharkWeekJunkie@reddit
I don't know why you are asking me and providing so little information. If it's a serious question, go do some research. I have no clue. All I said is that you CAN fly with a passport.
I assume your some global entry or whatever. Either way, I don't know, and I don't care.
osmiumblue66@reddit
If you're being defenestrated, sure. On a commercial flight, you need ID, whether a Real ID, a passport or passport card, or other govt approved ID.
You cannot check bags without a boarding pass and ID, and you have to present ID at Security checkpoints.
Blehe@reddit
Hence why the original commenter said, a passport will work just fine.
Just because they say “ID” doesn’t mean it NEEDS to be the real ID. Any other form of government ID will work.
Unquietgirl@reddit
I mean, technically you can, but it's a pain in the ass.And at some point they're gonna stop allowing it. But for my entire adult life, i've known people that have done the extra screening and flown without ID.
osmiumblue66@reddit
I probably should have clarified this is from the perspective of someone non-precleared, just showing up at an airport with a ticket and no means of identification, thinking it's going to be a smooth process to board a plane.
Unquietgirl@reddit
Got it. It was comically easy for me when I grabbed the wrong passport, but I had my non real state ID, i do have a passport, i have been precheck cleared... So it wasn't like it was going to be impossible for them to verify who I was.
jonknee@reddit
... Which is a Real ID compliant document, the title is accurate.
SharkWeekJunkie@reddit
"A Real ID" reads differently than "A Real ID Compliant Document"
The implication of "A Real ID" is a Real ID. It's a misleading headline and will result in folks not understanding the new change.
jonknee@reddit
A "Real ID" means a compliant drivers license, passport, trusted traveler card, or a bunch of other documents that meet the standard outlined in the law. It's perfectly accurate to say you need a Real ID.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification
Seantwist9@reddit
no, a real id is a state issued license. those compliant licenses you’re talking about are considered alternative id
“Passengers should either travel with an acceptable alternative form of ID, like a passport, or enroll for a state-issued REAL ID through their state DMV offices.”
SharkWeekJunkie@reddit
You're being intentionally dense. Any reasonable American would hear "Real ID" and think of a new Drivers License. I understand that any reasonable American is misinformed. Do you understand that this headline doesn't help clarify the issue?
jonknee@reddit
If it said “don’t have a Real ID drivers license?” then I would agree with you, but I don’t see it misleading in any way. If you don’t bring one of the many types of accepted ID you may have to pay a fee.
cmdr_suds@reddit
Your expectation level of quality reporting from the current media is a little high.
SharkWeekJunkie@reddit
I like the cut of your jib. Enjoy your Monday.
ScottyDOESKnow09@reddit
Should the DMV have voided my old ID with a hole punch lol?
I have both at the moment lol
bizzyunderscore@reddit
oh what a relief, as we all know, no terrorists have $45
lubeinatube@reddit
All that hooping and hollering about how you can’t fly unless you get it. Now you can fly without it for $45?
JonstheSquire@reddit
It is absolutely insane to me that there are still people without Real ID or a passport.
You have had 20 years to get a REAL ID. How do these people make it through normal life?
Thequiet01@reddit
They don’t need a Real ID very often, why go to all the hassle?
I don’t have a Real ID, just a passport.
JonstheSquire@reddit
What hassle?
Thequiet01@reddit
Finding all the right documentation, making an appointment and finding time to go to the DMV, etc.
OD_Emperor@reddit
Honestly who doesn't at this point
JiveTrain@reddit
You guys need to show ID to fly domestically? How long are the queues on your airports?..
ForsakenRacism@reddit
You never needed an ID to fly they just do extra screening/background check
cheetuzz@reddit
you don’t need any type of ID? not even a drivers license or state ID?
ForsakenRacism@reddit
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification
Throwawaylifeaspilot@reddit
Correct, you could always go the personal verification route (IVCC) which takes 30-60 min workload permitting.
Unquietgirl@reddit
A lot of people don't know this, tbh.I only knew it because I knew people who fly a lot.
airport-codes@reddit
I am a bot.
^(If you are the OP and this comment is inaccurate or unwanted, reply below with "bad bot" and it will be deleted.)
gecko_764@reddit
Almost!
schwanerhill@reddit
bad bot
mandalorian_guy@reddit
Good bot
AmosParnell@reddit
Bad bot!
FartyCakes12@reddit
Sooo… I can fly domestically without a real ID? Wasn’t this supposed to be a security thing?
TheJiggie@reddit
While I don’t have much sympathy for those who travel frequently for the last 10 years who failed to get a Real ID, the title is a bit misleading. There are either forms of approved ID that a traveler can bring, this makes it sound like you need a “Real ID or Else!”
dirtydriver58@reddit
Yup. Pure clickbait to make it sound like Real ID is mandatory.
jojoko@reddit
just last week they said it was $18
Ok-Stomach-@reddit
either it is important for security or it isn't. either way, charing a fee to let you bypass is dumb and sends the wrong message, how about I pay $450 to travel without any ID?
TheDunk67@reddit
Security theater. It's long past time to abolish the illegal and unconstitutional TSA and return security to airports and airlines that have a vested interest in protecting their property and customers.
Brraaap@reddit
If you're going to fly more than twice every 5 years, get Global Entry and they'll throw in an ID card
Throwawaylifeaspilot@reddit
And precheck!
Pasadenaian@reddit
Grifters.
JonstheSquire@reddit
You think Real ID is a grift? How exactly? The states do not make anymore money from it. The federal government came up with Real ID program 20 years ago all so they could create a $45 fee that hardly anyone will pay?
Pasadenaian@reddit
No, I think it's ridiculous to charge people $45 for not having one.
PizzaWall@reddit
I guess I can fly without RealID, I just have to pay a fee. So what is the purpose of jumping through all of the hoops to get it if I can just hand over a few $20 bills and a five and walk through?
I honestly feel its ridiculous.
copper_state_breaks@reddit
Do they give change, like if I only have a $100 bill?
Got_Bent@reddit
Ive a real ID since it came out. I did government work so I had to get one. I use it now to log into US Gov websites like the VA, Medicare etc.
butteryspoink@reddit
I accidentally got the Real ID because I brought too much stuff when moving my drivers license. It’s literally that easy.
forkedquality@reddit
This might be an unpopular opinion, but... this is a good idea.
It's not like you can't fly without an ID. People lose their IDs and then fly back home all the time. It just takes extra effort and time for the airline and TSA to verify their identity. Someone without a Real ID is in a similar situation, except it is their own d*%n fault. Putting a price tag on this is perfectly reasonable.
ruppert777x@reddit
If only people didn't have like 10 years notice by now... Suprised they just dont just deny access into the airport at this point.
xXCrazyDaneXx@reddit
I somehow don't think the TSA will charge me to fly domestically... I'd be very surprised at least.
Organic_Radio_2890@reddit
I forgot my passport and it was an extremely time consuming situation when I got to TSA. I have precheck and they made me wait an hour for a manager to escort me through security at JFK. Vegas was the same way but it was a shorter wait.
All TSA staff that I interacted with were very serious about not having a Real ID and honestly made me feel like an idiot, so I would absolutely expect them to charge you.
xXCrazyDaneXx@reddit
I am in Sweden... Trust me, the TSA won't charge me when flying domestically.
Organic_Radio_2890@reddit
Then why are you commenting? Obviously this is for American domestic travel?
xXCrazyDaneXx@reddit
Where does it say that?
B4SSF4C3@reddit
Do you HAVE the TSA in your country?
What’s 2 + 2?
Organic_Radio_2890@reddit
The article? This entire article is based on federal requirement of Real ID cards issued by the state of residence for US citizens. I know Sweden has National IDs but this is different.
Robert-Berman@reddit
I don’t have a Real ID as of yet, but I am active military, so I fly with that (and my family) but, I will renew my license next year and get the Real ID as I retire officially in 30 days (not that I am counting).
domesystem@reddit
Boy they sure missed that "or passport" in the title..
Academic-Airline9200@reddit
No matter what plastic I slap down, it doesn't guarantee anything. Including having a government that isn't made up of terrorists!
But $45, now then, money talks.
slowcaptain@reddit
Looks like I will have to be at the airport in the morning for evening flight.