Egypt's new UAV stealth drone.
Posted by BB-TG@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 50 comments
Egypt announced a stealth kamikaze drone, JABBAR 250.
LENGTH: 2.34m
WINGSPAN: 3.45m
MTOW: 250kg
SPEED: 576km/h
ENDURANCE: 2.5 hours
MAX RANGE: 1,500km
PAYLOAD: 50kg
I don't think this is very stealthy, considering how there's a long nose prop a huge panel gaps.
Very curious about your opinions on it.
arahnovuk@reddit
Not sure it's stealth but it will have small radio signature
Fast-Satisfaction482@reddit
But they colored it black! It's invisible.
podeniak@reddit
So it's fast!
mechabeast@reddit
No, that would be red
DarkArcher__@reddit
It will have a radar cross-section equivalent to its own physical cross-section. That is to say, every radar will see it bright and clear
arahnovuk@reddit
You don't know how radar works right?
DarkArcher__@reddit
I do!
Apexnanoman@reddit
Yeah something less than 10 feet long and moving very close to the ground is going to be a decently hard target just due size alone.
And if Egypt is worried about its neighbors....Jordan, Sudan, and Chad are going to have a hell of a lot more trouble hitting it than someone armed with modern US or EU equipment.
It could also be something they just want to sell to the Russians or Ukraine. Because both them will probably use any armed drone they can get. I mean even a crappy drone with a low probability of success is better than none at all.
(I have no idea if they would be looking to export it. Just spitballing.)
BB-TG@reddit (OP)
This is how Houthis and Hezbollah fought Israel.
Their drones were always VERY low altitude once they reached land, slightly higher from buildings.
Small, slow, probably composite material drone with minimal thermal fingerprint.. very challenging to defeat.
DarkArcher__@reddit
Keep in mind modern stealth aircraft have radar cross-sections equivalent to small birds, and at times insects.
Radars will have no trouble picking this up, the same way they have no trouble with quadcopters. Even cold war era radars on German AAA vehicles deployed in Ukraine are proving effective against small drones.
Apexnanoman@reddit
Oh I know they can pick it up. I mean they can see birds. But hitting a smaller target is harder than a larger target. Just depends on how cheap they are relatively.
And while drones aren't free they are exponentially cheaper than a crewed plane. And you don't make very expensive sausage of it gets exploded.
Drones are a functional example attrition warfare and material based warfare. Though I don't know if these are cheap enough to make it cost effective to use swarm tactics to overwhelm air defense systems.
Neovo903@reddit
It's like a convex mirror with those curves, that ain't stealthy
boraras@reddit
So if you attached two of these together and then attempted to fly it over a basketball court but it went out of control, would you have "careened a dual JABBAR"?
KoalaRashCream@reddit
Nothing stealth about this. This is visible to every sensor suite used globally
Leefa@reddit
The documentation I've found online mentions nothing about this being a stealth craft. It's a target drone, meant to be seen. Don't know where OP got that info from.
KoalaRashCream@reddit
Bots
jxyoung@reddit
My 1st reaction was: it’s named Jabba the Hut?
FeliciaGLXi@reddit
Cool looking drone, buuuuut... why is Egypt investing in high tech stealth UAVs when half of their population lives below the poverty line?
Priorities, right?
Potential-Car4759@reddit
Literally a basic dyi drone which egypt will say cost 1m each and steal money even more from its poor population
FeliciaGLXi@reddit
Basic DYI drone???
You sure about that?
Potential-Car4759@reddit
Pretty sure there are DYI guys able to do better than this in their garage
kinkakujen@reddit
As usual for islamic regimes.
DarkArcher__@reddit
Is the high tech stealth UAV in the room with us?
GeckoV@reddit
It’s the opposite of stealth shaping. You can think about it in very simple terms. If you shine a light on it, will it shine back? That rounded nose reflects light back to any direction from the front. Usually you put a sharp chine with sloped surfaces to make sure this doesn’t happen from most orientations, and this design doesn’t have any of that.
lordnacho666@reddit
Could the paint be absorbent? The rest of what you say makes sense.
Adjutant_Reflex_@reddit
Could? Sure. Likely? No. RAM coating is not something Egypt could develop and produce indigenously. It also wouldn’t make sense for something like this; the per unit cost would skyrocket.
Have_Donut@reddit
Basic RAM coating is doable but I doubt it actually has it. At this point “stealth” is just a marketing byword for recessed engines
whiteflower6@reddit
Isnt radar absorbent material just carbon fibers chopped up and mixed in the paint? Those fuckers sure absorb microwave well
BeatMastaD@reddit
Plus I assume absorbent coatings are not perfect so you'd want to use them along with stealthy geometry.
FROOMLOOMS@reddit
This is correct, unless they have invented a new insanely better coating, those flat surfaces would light up any current Gen emitter like a Christmas tree.
Expert-Account-5235@reddit
Maybe because of its size? I honestly have no clue what could be stealthy about this design.
on3day@reddit
The egyptians dont have any either.
Possible_Music7541@reddit
Wake me up when it's flying
DarkArcher__@reddit
It's a basic ass flying wing design. They didn't even bother exploring a rudderless design. Your average RC plane hobbyist could get this thing in the air with ArduPilot in a few days.
DarkArcher__@reddit
The only remotely stealthy feature on this is the dorsal intake. Nowhere else on the drone was any attempt made to reduce radar returns.
cat_prophecy@reddit
Those exposed fasteners look very stealthy.
on3day@reddit
ItS jUSt a PRotOtYpe, thE ReAL oNE wIll LoOk gOoD.
(Russians)
Sxn747Strangers@reddit
Is this just a marketing tool with a suggestive design rather than a working prototype?
From what I’ve read of it, it’s not in production, it has not been deployed anywhere yet and it’s being marketed by a private company.
Designer-Salary-7773@reddit
Pretending to have the ability to develop and deploy advanced tech.
IM_REFUELING@reddit
Nothing about this looks stealthy. Rounded nose and exposed inlets are dead giveaways.
FLMILLIONAIRE@reddit
Looks very similar to what my company is developing
Only_Individual_3960@reddit
If thats stealth then i m a pineapple
FoximaCentauri@reddit
Is this original size? It seems rather small
BillWilberforce@reddit
Are those mooring cleats protruding out?
MoeSzyslakMonobrow@reddit
Round edges don't make for good stealth.
AcePlanespotting@reddit
Not very stealthy if we can see it lol
MIRV888@reddit
Looks like Egypt finally got a big 3d printer.
junaidnk@reddit
Why does it feel and look like made by the Mercedes F1 team?
DependentStrike4414@reddit
Maybe if you paint it to look like sand!
eric02138@reddit
Shiny!