Walter’s Trigger Discipline?

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Banjo-Router-Sports7@reddit

You find yourself in the Lebowski sub when someone makes a Letterkenny reference the other dayyyyyy…

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flactulantmonkey@reddit

I always took this to be part of the ethos of Walter’s character man. The whole point is he’s actually got a shakeup finger on the trigger.

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Crusoebear@reddit

Bowling has rules. Walter holding a gun…not so much.

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BlueMageNeedsFood@reddit

Walter isn’t really a veteran. It’s part of his sick Cynthia thing.

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I’m inclined to agree. I mean, shit dude, he even has his middle phalange on the trigger in every scene. Now nobody, and I mean nobody, EVER, who has ever trained with a pistol AT ALL shoots like that. Nobody.

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BlueMageNeedsFood@reddit

Fuckin’ A man!

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Mysteriousdeer@reddit

From a "don't do this" perspective, this is bad. I get it.

From a "shut up your head and watch the movie" perspective? Just remember Walter was painted as an unhinged drafted Vietnam vet and it's a great counter to the dudes laid back non chalante demeanor.

I'm realizing that a lot of modern movies try too hard to be accurate and sometimes they should just break the logic rule to tell the audience this is supposed to be fun... We don't need to paint everything 100% accurately.

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Nonchalant_Khan@reddit

I see where the confusion lies . . . You thought he was fucking around. He wasn't. That's why Smoke marked it zero.

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SendTobacco@reddit (OP)

Walter was definitely fucking around. He pulled a piece on Smokey over a frame of bowling, but didn’t pull it when the nihilists whipped a sword out on him and his buddies? Everything was a travesty with Walter.

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BigHock734@reddit

He’s the only one who gives a shit about rules!

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chrisatola@reddit

My take: They didn't ever consider it. Trigger discipline wasn't a thing in most movies in the 90s.

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TurankaCasual@reddit

Trigger discipline wasn’t even a thing at all until the 80’s really. It’s a fairly new practice unfortunately

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FudgyMcTubbs@reddit

I mean, "never point the gun/barrel/muzzle at something you dont want to kill" keeps everybody pretty safe, but trigger discipline is a great addition that seems obvious but somehow wasnt until the internet. I, for one, am very mindful when I'm holding a firearm, keenly aware that i do not want to FAFO.

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El_presid3nt@reddit

Maybe the gun was not loaded and was just for show.

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Civil_Hour_3031@reddit

Or maybe John Goodman is so method he was willing to murder Jimmie Dale Gilmore for being over the line.

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Electronic-Jury8825@reddit

Hello, Alec Baldwin

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Unit_79@reddit

In his case, that was a pretty bad maybe.

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KirasHandPicDealer@reddit

Not in 'Nam, of course

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PerfectlyCalmDude@reddit

Yep. Considering that they let the continuity issue with the pomeranian go, I don't think they would have stressed much over this. Besides, it's also consistent with the uzi going off.

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opopkl@reddit

I was surprised how lax the "armourer" was during that Alec Baldwin incident. I've worked on British sets where dummy firearms are used and the rules are really strict.

Here are the BBC rules.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/safety/resources/aztopics/firearms-and-weapons

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jamescharisma@reddit

He was the only one who cared about the rules... of pre 2000's cinema which is when trigger discipline started becoming the norm in movies. As a veteran of so many action movies and Westerns and TV shows from the 1950s to today, trigger discipline wasn't really a thing in movies until the mid 2000s and in shows until the early 2010s. The Big Lebowski was made in 1998. They indeed hadn't considered this, Dude.

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Ok-Description-4640@reddit

And it took place in 1991, peak gangstas-holding-guns-sideways era.

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DonKeighbals@reddit

New shit has come to light

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JohnnyCakes814@reddit

And … shit, man.

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What-a-Crock@reddit

I guess we can close the file on that one

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BlooNorth@reddit

The Supreme Court roundly rejected prior restraint

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BeachBumm45@reddit

Very poor !

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Icy-Chance@reddit

I dabbled in trigger discipline too... not in 'Nam of course.

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BlooNorth@reddit

Pacifist

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foxontherox@reddit

You think he’s fuckin’ around??

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hidefinitionpissjugs@reddit

OP is entering a world of pain

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Green_Bast3rd@reddit

A world of PAIN!

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mattinsatx@reddit

So having been around enough “Vietnam Veterans” there’s an EXCELLENT chance Walter was a typist in Vietnam or something else where he never saw any action of any kind. He may have had a weapon assigned to him but depending on where he was it may have sat in an arms room his whole time there.

Theres a non-zero chance Walter was never in Vietnam.

Theres also a chance he was never in the military at all.

Also, military pistol training of the day was pretty much just throwing a box of ammo at them and saying try to get all 7 on a 6 foot target 10 feet away. So being sloppy with a pistol doesn’t say much.

Also, if he was in the shit and did have a pistol he may not have had official training on it. The military didn’t issue pistols to just anyone and people were known to scrounge stuff.

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Ok_Beyond_3160@reddit

Never point a gun at anything you aren’t willing to destroy, finger off the trigger until ready to engage the target, know your target and what’s behind it.

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el_weirdo@reddit

Smokey was over the line.

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Call-a-Crackhead@reddit

Trigger discipline wasn’t standard until 1993, and while that is 5 years before this movie was made, it is after this movie takes place. John Goodman, being a true professional, chose to not use trigger discipline at a time that his character Walter probably wouldn’t have.

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KarlPHungus@reddit

You didn't think he was rolling out there naked, did ya?

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Gotts21@reddit

You want a trigger finger? I can get you a trigger finger. Believe me, there are ways. You don’t want to know about them, believe me. Hell, I can get you a trigger finger by noon, with a gun. Hahaha, fuckin amateurs.

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greyzarjonestool@reddit

Calmer than you are

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ComicsEtAl@reddit

Walter was not posing. He fully intended to shoot if the score was not fixed.

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Bach-Bach@reddit

This isn’t Nam. There are rules here.

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MoonMan8718@reddit

OP's the only one around here who gives a shit about the rules

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FalseWait7@reddit

DO YOU THINK THERE WAS TRIGGER DISCIPLINE IN THE NAM?!

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LouDog0187@reddit

You think he's fuckin around?

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The_Chops734@reddit

Careful man, there’s a firearm here…

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irate_alien@reddit

114 years of beautiful tradition from John Moses Browning to the War in Iraq, you’re goddamn right I’m living in the fucking past!!!!!!

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kgas36@reddit

Calmer than you

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patchhappyhour@reddit

Hello fellow vet. I believe the lack of trigger discipline added to the communic relief of Walter doing such a wild thing. Of course we know the right answer is not to put your finger on the trigger, especially when you're locking a round in, but in this case he did it and it was funny.

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Dick-in-a-fan@reddit

Has anyone noticed that Walter isn’t using ‘trigger discipline’ here?

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nutznboltsguy@reddit

What are you a range officer now?

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justinholmes_music@reddit

We are exhibiting sympathetic movement here, dude.

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SuicideOptional@reddit

They got us working in shifts.

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SendTobacco@reddit (OP)

🤣

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CuteFormal9190@reddit

Yeah it’s obvious that he’s never handled a firearm properly ever.

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SendTobacco@reddit (OP)

And why doesn’t he pull the piece from his bowling ball bag when the nihilist pulls a fucking saber out on him and his buddies? THAT would have been the time to use his pistol.

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Sockalexis@reddit

You think he faked it even in the beachfront eulogy for Donnie? Khe Sanh, at Langdok, at Hill 364? He was a vet dude, I’ve never been more sure of anything in my life. He is just fragile, man, very fragile.

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2wheelsThx@reddit

Forget about the fucking trigger!

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SendTobacco@reddit (OP)

You’re right. Fuck it, man. Let’s go bowling.

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ActionReady9933@reddit

I have always said that this is the biggest clue as to whether Walter was actually a veteran. The Coens are sticklers for details and no veteran who has spent more than 5 minutes with a weapon is ever going to stick their finger into the trigger mechanism unless it’s “hot”.

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SendTobacco@reddit (OP)

I’m inclined to agree. He consistently has his finger in there, and the theories about trigger discipline not being a thing in real life until the 2000s is bogus. I was issued a 1911 in the 80s and even then they taught us not to put our finger inside the trigger guard unless it was time to pop someone.

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ActionReady9933@reddit

Same

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massagebear1@reddit

That's that guy from Roseanne

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biglebowski565@reddit

It’s all water under the bridge

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Dull_Court_91@reddit

Lets not forget Dude that keeping a digit, um... a finger, for... um, ya know domestic... within the trigger well... that ain't legal either.

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freetherhinoz@reddit

He's not a fuckin amateur

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SpeedIsTheBestMovie@reddit

I'm a veteran as well, I just think Walter is nuts and was honestly ready to fire his gun

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SendTobacco@reddit (OP)

Probably so. Just seems unnatural to me. I would never charge a slide with my finger inside the guard. It just wouldn’t happen. Too many years of training.

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JamesTheLockGuy@reddit

I mean, like, I get what you’re saying, man. And you’re right, no self respecting Veteran (or anyone who’s taken a legitimate firearms class…and LISTENED👀🤦🏻‍♂️) is going to walk around like that with their finger constantly on the trigger.

But, after doing a j and pondering your querie, I think it’s a Coen allegory. Walter essentially always walks around “with a hair trigger”. But you know, that’s just like, my opinion, man.😎 Who knows? Maybe she kidnapped herself, Dude.🤷🏻‍♂️

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Royal_Succotash_420@reddit

Same. Keep your booger picker off the bang switch!

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Silverward@reddit

You think the trigger fingerers did this?

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MachewWV@reddit

I dabbled in trigger discipline. Not in nam of course.

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hornwalker@reddit

He dropped that uzi out the car and it went off, he’s not fucking around lol

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hdhsnjsn@reddit

His whole character has no discipline

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manbearlongpig@reddit

Bush league

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thinclientsrock@reddit

Entering a world of pain

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Flat_6_Theory@reddit

New shit has come to light, lol.

If you want good small arms tactics and gun handling, then Way of the Gun is your jam. Consultant was a veteran. As quote worthy as Lebowski to boot.

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Throwawaygarbageboi@reddit

New shit has come to light.

I remember reading somewhere that Walter, like with him being Jewish, was originally never actually going to be in Vietnam, but that was cut due to it being seen as going against Walter's "stuck in the past" theme. Can't be stuck in a past that doesn't exist.

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jontaffarsghost@reddit

Were the US soldiers committing war crimes in Vietnam known for their trigger discipline?

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Ok_Highlight3926@reddit

League game.

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Puzzleheaded_Gene909@reddit

You know dude he himself dabbled in trigger discipline at one point. Not in ‘nam of course.

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zuck_my_butt@reddit

For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint!

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J4ck0f411@reddit

He did not watch his buddies die face down in the muck so you can criticize his trigger discipline .

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seanthebooth@reddit

Pretty sure he knows & respects trigger discipline. These cases were serious, dude. He was in complete control.

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Soulless--Plague@reddit

Nothing is fucked here Dude, nothing is fuuucked. OP is being very unDude.

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Gold_Gold@reddit

Walter is a reckless finger on the trigger kinda guy. What? You didnt think he was rollin outta there naked did ya?

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Soulless--Plague@reddit

Uzi?!!

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brnthrshmn@reddit

You think he’s fuckin’ around here? MARK IT ZERO.

This gives credence to the theory that Walter was never in Vietnam. Maybe he was never a veteran. Maybe he was never…ah hell. Lost my train of thought.

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used2lurknstilldo@reddit

I dig your style, man. I hadn’t heard this theory but it makes sense.

A veteran but possibly not a combat veteran? Usually the ones that were “in the shit” are really quiet about it. At least in my experience.

Both served, but both had way different experiences and resulting memories.

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In the case of guns, he sure as shit fuckin rolls.

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