Officials Clashed in Investigation of Deadly Air India Crash
Posted by dtdowntime@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 19 comments
I wonder how this will play out after each investigation board releases their report, especially if all of this is happening
PuddlesRex@reddit
Per India's initial reporting: about a dozen different faults in heavily redundant systems all happened at once in not one, but two completely independent systems during takeoff in a plane that was barely ten years old. These faults just so happened to make the FDR somehow record none of the faults. Instead, the FDR somehow recorded that the fuel cutoff switches were manually set to off at about the same pace that a human would do so, and actually made the fuel cutoff switches switch to off (despite having no automatic actuation capabilities on those switches), as one of the pilots could be heard on the CVR, asking why the switches were off.
Or the fuel cutoff switches were manually set to off by a human. Then India led a huge cover up effort. Including features like not allowing an ICAO observer, and ignoring the fact that Air India pilots were unable to simulate any situation in which an electrical failure would cause a dual engine flameout on takeoff.
Wonder which one is more likely.
AFCSentinel@reddit
Man, love the guy saying "We aren't a Third World Country" and then quickly proceeds to ignore all legitimate complaints like not being able to take pictures of the wreckage for analysis and ghosts them for meetings. Way to prove them all wrong, king.
As for the investigation itself: if the 787 has a major issue, I want it found. I am certainly no friend of Boeing after their behaviour with the 737 MAX debacle.
But we have not even the remotest indication that the issue we saw is related to the plane. All available evidence points to fuel being cut-off - manually.
And look, when the Germanwings plane crashed in 2015, there was no hand-wringing or whatever going on. German authorities didn't spend months deflecting, pretty much everyone accepted this was a pilot suicide. So why is it that India (or China) are struggling to accept that something like this happens?
Exotic-Sale-3003@reddit
Saving face is a strong cultural value in those places.
Designer-Salary-7773@reddit
Saving money is universal though and these guys def do not want the liability associated with letting this guy into the driver's seat
Neit01@reddit
I feel like this explanation needs a little more info. Saving face is a strong cultural value in those places whereas human lives and safety is not. Makes for a great combo!
undockeddock@reddit
This sub might have the most wimpy mods in all of reddit. A non-opinion news article from a top tier source like the WSJ is "too political"
Responsible_Trifle15@reddit
Pilot error or pilot suicide is the only question that remains to be answered
vorko_76@reddit
Sounds a bit like a bullshit article. Its normal to decode the black boxes in a “remote area”. I doubt US decodes these in DC and I know for a fact the DGAC in France decodes them outside of Paris. Using the excuse of terrorism to say a remote area is not safe is also quite poor.
It doesnt mean they were safe in India but the article is very poor for WSJ
limbus123@reddit
Not to distract from other aspects of the article and expected incompetence of Indian authorities, the “remote area” is mentioned in the article as Korwa, a small town with a large avionics facility run by HAL
Imaginary-Spray3711@reddit
the NTSB lab for the purpose of listening to CVRs and analyzing FDR data is located in Washington. DC.
vorko_76@reddit
Ok 👍 I seemed to recall the Ethiopian Airlines boxes were sent to Colorado though.
In France the BEA labs are in Le Bourget, in the remote suburbs of Paris
Imaginary-Spray3711@reddit
The Ethiopian Airlines boxes were sent to and analyzed by the BEA in France.
SpecialistPlastic729@reddit
Dude… Le Bourget is an airfield with a long and glorious history. It’s not just a remote suburb
ConstableBlimeyChips@reddit
Even if you ignore its history, Le Bourget is not in a remote suburb. It's about 15 km from the center of Paris. It's closer to Paris than Charles De Gaulle airport.
Saying Le Bourget is remote is like saying The Bronx is remote.
vorko_76@reddit
Yes i know, Im French… but the “remote” AAIB lab is also in Delhi.
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This_Elk_1460@reddit
I trust the NTSB not the Pentagon
Shoddy_Act7059@reddit
I'm shocked. SHOCKED!
Well, not that shocked.
Shoddy_Act7059@reddit
In all seriousness, I actually came across an article from Yahoo (yes, I know) that basically said the exact same thing.
I hate speculation, so I'm not gonna say anything else 'til the investigation wraps up. But, if it ends up being a split finding again, I would not be too surprised.
We say this with Silk Air 185, Egypt Air 990 and may or may not end up seeing it in China Eastern 5735 -- if we even get an official finding, that is. All three have either had investigations that confirmed (or, have people heavily suggesting) to have been caused by pilot suicide, but other investigations try to blame it on mechanical failure. Sure, in this day and age, Boeing doesn't have the best track record. But, again, many in the US think it's a mass murder suicide. So, we just don't know what'll happen, and -- once more -- we'll have to wait and see what the investigations turn up.