Visible shockwave on a A320 wing
Posted by sweepinglama@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 49 comments
A transonic shockwave forms when locally supersonic airflow over the wing must suddenly slow to subsonic. This abrupt deceleration creates a sharp pressure jump.
ratpatty@reddit
thats normal...
Away-Finance-6678@reddit
Though I had eye floaters lol
erublind@reddit
This is shockingly normal...
SumOfKyle@reddit
Look at all that spanwise flow
magpie_bird@reddit
It even has a watermark
sweepinglama@reddit (OP)
First time seeing one. Who else was lucky to observe this?
carquestionno34565@reddit
I saw one for the first time a couple of weeks ago and I was loosing my mind trying to figure out what it was. Mine were perfectly vertical lines. I guess it was because a380 has very big wings?
sweepinglama@reddit (OP)
Vertical lines? Probably you mean straight, right? Calm surrounding air, constant AOA and speed of the plane can make the like more steady. I assume that the shape is defined by the wing profile.
carquestionno34565@reddit
Posted the video here https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1p9lhsd/is_this_shockwave/ It's probably the same shape as the one in yours but the clouds and sky don't have enough detail to make it visible over there.
Therre99@reddit
wow i has this last month which was my 6th flight in my life
i didnt know i did get this lucky
Dangerous-Salad-bowl@reddit
I caught it on a LHR > DEN 787 a few weeks ago. It bounceas back and forth in turbulence and fluctuating AoA. (You have to have the sun aligned with the wing to get the quasi schlieren effect)
parsimonyBase@reddit
Well I learned a new word today, thank you!
dandy443@reddit
I took videos of one recently in an e175
Kuriente@reddit
That's a rare sight! I've never seen one in person. The conditions have to be just right. Thanks for sharing!
Pilot_on_autopilot@reddit
I've never seen one in person, but one of my Aero professors got one walking down the wing on video on a flight, and we spent the entire next class watching the video. It was honestly extremely helpful for our next homework.
NIk340@reddit
This is for maintenance reasons.
someonehasmygamertag@reddit
I absolutely love watching wings when flying. You see so many interesting fluid behaviours.
DavidBrooker@reddit
If anyone wants a quick thermodynamics lesson: at low speeds, the kinetic energy of a flow can really only be transformed into pressure (or elevation, but that's going to be small for gasses) - the familiar Bernoulli equation. Because of this, our conservation laws - mass, momentum and energy - have one unique solution in terms of the velocity, pressure, and density of the flow. In higher speed flows, we can also convert kinetic energy into temperature. Because of that, our conservation laws end up having two solutions in velocity, pressure, density, and now temperature, with one solution being supersonic, and the other subsonic.
Mathematically, this is because most compressible flow relations (eg, temperature, density, pressure) scale with the square of the mach number. As you may recall, quadratic equations always have two solutions.
These two solutions are not arbitrary, however. A shockwave produces an increase in entropy, meaning that the process cannot happen in reverse, at least not spontaneously. You always go from high mach number to low, because entropy must increase. That said, some manner of perturbation must exist to trigger the shockwave to form, generally in the form of a favorable pressure gradient.
SteggersBeggers@reddit
I read this - but I did not understand a single word of it.
-SuperTrooper-@reddit
I definitely thought this was going to end with the Undertaker throwing Mankind off the hell in a cell.
afoste83@reddit
Shut up, nerd!!!
Sorry, I had to say it. You're not a nerd. You sound really nice and articulate.
The_Fox_Confessor@reddit
Is the aircraft going too fast? From the diagram GraugussConnaisseur posted it look like there should be a loss of lift.
Belfastscum@reddit
You should check your blood pressure brother... yikes
GraugussConnaisseur@reddit
BetterGuide1041@reddit
Thank you
Final-War-1945@reddit
I simply thought perhaps it was some sort of magnetic interference and crossover interference from the same playne in the exact same situation in a parallel universe. Who knew?
Dry_Statistician_688@reddit
Very common at cruise. I like to look for it if sitting window over a wing. It’s due to a mathematical discontinuity in the Prandlette equation of airflow. There is a sudden change of pressure, which can be visibly seen when the light is just right. I love watching it dance around.
Flyby-1000@reddit
Nice clear catch... That's sick!!!
Caminsky@reddit
it can’t be
CouchPotatoFamine@reddit
This is why they're grounding all of them, for the software glitch.
/s
AeroInsightMedia@reddit
Also cool to see them at airshows when the planes are a hundred or so feet off the ground. Great capture!
YuriRosas@reddit
But what is seen is not what is explained. This is visible due to refraction. When light passes through a different medium, it changes speed, enough to bend. This is visible in several things. Including this one.
BlueRareCookie@reddit
It appears that there's line of damaged paint under the shockwave. So question for more knowledgeable can this damage be reason of shockwave being in this spot or is it damaged because of it or am I entirely wrong and need check my sight ?
Maestr0o0@reddit
No idea what I’m looking at
sweepinglama@reddit (OP)
This is the line where the supersonic airflow becomes subsonic again.
notalk82@reddit
What's that yellow thing? Some kind of sensor?
thinkscotty@reddit
It's some sort of tie down point from the looks of it. Maybe for worker safety?
FormerStableGenius@reddit
Tie down for guide ropes in case of emergency exit onto the wings after landing on water. I think also a tether point for life rafts.
InevitableSuper5826@reddit
Ohhhhh dear.
IllustriousAd9800@reddit
This has to do with the video how exactly?
mattblack77@reddit
It’s easier to believe that planes fly by magic and see nothing that challenges that.
randomname3415@reddit
This is probably the wrong sub to be in if you want to stay ignorant about these things lol
Ghost-1911@reddit
Oh, squiggly lines in my eye. - Stewie Griffin
Looks like something in the window.
Wouldn't the plane have to be going near the speed os sound for that?
huehuehue1292@reddit
These planes do. At about Mach .8 (or sometimes lower) the flow acceleration above the wing is enough to make it locally supersonic. It's called the transonic regime.
There is a shockwave at the end of the supersonic area, as the flow suddenly becomes subsonic again. The large difference in air density can change its refraction index just enough to become visible.
Bddltl@reddit
There is actually a Lambda shock wave on commercial aircraft wings at their cruising speed and altitude. The two lower parts are weak shock waves. The shadow in the video is actually the strong shock wave that is actually above the wing. The key to see one is that the sun needs to be in the right location. The best time to view this is when traveling east or west, the sun should be within about 11 am and 1 pm local time, and you need to be sitting in a window seat near the quarter chord of the wing ( about a quarter way from the leading edge to the trailing edge of the wing where it meets the fuselage). The strong shock wave is actually strong enough to bend the light passing through the shock wave. This is why you see a shadow on the wing. Very cool. I’ve see some that start near the fuselage and end near the tip of the wing.
sweepinglama@reddit (OP)
Air above the wing accelerates and is faster than the airplane itself. Basically it is the way most lift is being created. The plane flies already M.8. Most of times there are transsonic/supersonic airflows but rarely visible.
NF-104@reddit
The plane IS going near the speed of sound, around Mach 0.8. The airflow on the upper surface of the wing is traveling substantially faster (>Mach 1), due to the convexity of the upper surface.
fiittzzyy@reddit
Very cool!!
OkCandidate2541@reddit
This is epic. Never seen one before