Europeans treat Mexicans and Mexican-Americans very differently
Posted by Addicted_2_tacos@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 43 comments
Hi. I wanted to share my experience dealing with people from Europe. I'm not sure if this the correct sub, if not please guide me.
I'm from Monterrey, specifically Garza García, one of the wealthiest areas in Latin America, and because of my job, I dealt a lot with Europeans who came to stay in Mexico. They were all super friendly. You know, the typical "Mexico is so nice and friendly" and they socialized very well with everyone. They always said they loved Mexican people etc etc.
Well, then I had to move to Houston, Texas. Same business. But I noticed that when Europeans came, they behaved very differently with the Mexican people here (even immigrants that barely spoke English). They started COMPETING with them. They asked strange questions: "And how many vacation days do you get? Why so few?"
"Why aren't there any stray dogs here?"
"How much do you earn?"
Why is your house made of wood?"
What's up with that? I wonder if anyone else has experienced the same thing?
minuddannelse@reddit
Europeans don’t see Mexico on the same level as them (I’m talking opinions, not facts, of course), so they’re not on their radar. (i.e., “they’re such a nice people” and similar comments because they see Mexico as innocuous)
The US, on the other hand, is a formidable force that they love to compare, contrast, and, depending on the European, also put down.
imrzzz@reddit
You don't really believe this shite do you?
minuddannelse@reddit
Hi, welcome to earth. Grab a brochure.
imrzzz@reddit
Classici seppo mindset: the US = The Earth
neanderthal_math@reddit
We occupy way more of their headspace than they do of our’s.
qwerty_basterd@reddit
Found the American
minuddannelse@reddit
You sure? 😉
CyclingCapital@reddit
Europeans look down on Texas, not Mexican Americans. Europeans have virtually no stereotypes regarding Mexican Americans (or maybe Spanish people do since they have more access to Latin American media but I digress.)
Addicted_2_tacos@reddit (OP)
Texas is 40% Hispanic. Most of South Texas speaks Spanish as the primary language
CyclingCapital@reddit
Europeans don’t know that. I would hazard a guess that most Europeans would guess that Texas is mostly white with African Americans as the largest minority. Tejano culture is not on their radar despite being familiar with TexMex food etc. It’s a bit like saying “why do Americans in Barcelona look down on Catalan speakers and only speak Spanish and English when they visit?” when most Americans are not even actively aware of Catalan.
Theal12@reddit
Americans look down on Texans (prior to the current political horror show). I had educated Californians ask if I rode a horse to school
OpenScore@reddit
Next time ask them when are they gonna build that high speed rail between LA and SF.
For a state with GDP comparable to a world rank of top 10 countries if CA was a country on its own, they sure can't build a rail.
Longtimefed@reddit
Only ignorant Americans would ask such a question. Most people know Texas has three massive cities amd multiple smaller ones--and is home to numerous software companies as well as NASA Mission Control.
Greater Austin and the DFW Metroplex are full of transplanted Californians.
qwerty_basterd@reddit
How do we know the boffins don't ride up to mission control on horseback?
raxmano@reddit
By the looks of it, they’re asking those questions to you as an American, and not a Mexican. They’re asking questions and being critical at the same of the life in America.
It’s all silly if you ask me, because they’re just comparing where they came from to where they are now.
Addicted_2_tacos@reddit (OP)
I am Mexican. 30 years in Mexico and 2 in USA. How am I American? If I move to Germany next will they see me as a German?
Chicago1871@reddit
You live life like an american now. Even as an immigrant.
Im a mexican immigrant in the usa as well.
Live_Parsley_4879@reddit
In American culture, you don't ask these questions. Bullshit.
Chicago1871@reddit
But these aren’t Americans right, these are Europeans?
They sound Northern European or perhaps German? Theyre very direct and kinda rude by my standards.
Live_Parsley_4879@reddit
Well, they shouldn't, right? US is not Germany or Northern Europe.
Valuable_Echo2043@reddit
I mean, I'm an American living in Europe and when Americans come here, they do "typical American cultural things" that come off as offensive or rude here. It's common for people to not fully understand what all the cultural norms are when they go abroad.
Live_Parsley_4879@reddit
That’s a bullshit excuse.
Valuable_Echo2043@reddit
What made you think it was an excuse?
Chicago1871@reddit
But americans act like theyre better. Especially in Texas.
They need to be humbled and reminded that the american worker is exploited compared to workers in Northern Europe.
Especially in texas, as a republican state. They need to told what the rest of the world is like.
So I support it.
Live_Parsley_4879@reddit
What are you talking about dude.
Live_Parsley_4879@reddit
Those are inappropriate questions anyways. Doesn’t justify it.
Individualchaotin@reddit
How are they inappropriate?
imrzzz@reddit
It's incredibly ironic that you think "Europeans" can differentiate between Mexicans and Mexican-Americans while you don't seem able to specify any of the 50 European countries these people are from.
Yes people sometimez think the US is a bit crap, and will question why that is. So they ask you, a person living in the US.
Addicted_2_tacos@reddit (OP)
Because they come from different countries. It's easier to say Europeans (because they ARE Europeans) than to write down 20 countries.
And yes I speak 5 languages. I can differentiate countries, but for the purpose of this conversation I didn't think I'd have to be so pedantic.
Also the US is not my home country. They never ask me about Mexico though, even if the standard of life is crappier
imrzzz@reddit
It's also easier to say Americans when referring to both Mexicans and people from the USA. Doesn't make it helpful though.
Addicted_2_tacos@reddit (OP)
Like other Europeans have said in the past: there's not a word for Americans in English. Unless you want to sound silly saying USAsian
Valuable_Echo2043@reddit
"American" is the word in English. Most of the world, inclusive of all native English speaking countries, see the American continent as split between North and South America, so technically when they reference America, they aren't referencing the entire continent because that isn't a concept that exists for them. "Americas" is probably the closest term we have for the wholistic continent, but rarely would someone say "this person from the Americas".
"American" in the Spanish form is very different. Spain has seen America as wholistic, largely because of imperialistic and colonial motivations, so when they say "American", they referencing a person from the whole continent. So naturally, when people from countries formerly colonized by Spain grow up learning Spanish, they're also going to have the same perspective. Contrary to popular belief, it is not a concept that was founded by indigenous groups within the Americas, but by Spain.
I don't think people realize this, but arguing against the concept of "American" signifying as "a person from the United States" only further supports Spain's original definition of "America" which is founded off of colonization. It's ironic at best.
Competitive-Leg-962@reddit
Mexican Americans are treated as Americans, which usually means the whole stereotypical baggage that comes from Trumplandia.
Actual Mexicans are vastly preferred.
Competitive_Lion_260@reddit
That has absolutely nothing to do with competition.
They are questions about the US. It has nothing to do with Mexicans.
And you got the question about the stray dogs wrong. We don't have straydogs, and we think the US has A LOT of them.
Addicted_2_tacos@reddit (OP)
I mean I never see them asking Mexicans how much they make
MexITS@reddit
It's common for Humans to ask about any kind of differences when they travel/move to any part of the world not just Mexico, US or Europe. Most of the Humans wont directly ask about income levels directly but they are still curious. (Mentioned Humans cause these are the most sophisticated machine and they only know a little about it)
Also, the intentions behind their questions is what matters.
Thanks,
Marmex, Mars.
StoneColdNipples@reddit
Mexicans !== Mexican Americans.
cressida25@reddit
It's because they think of Mexico as not on their level. They pay a few euros and get treated like kings what's not to like? They feel competitive with America and have a chip on their shoulder so are more critical.
Spanglish123@reddit
I do the same when I’m in Europe! I ask a lot of questions about politics, social issues, etc. I’m not competing, I’m curious of the differences and how their society works.
free_ballin_llama@reddit
I love when people notice howclose minded and kind of racist and rude Europeans are.
Miss_Dark_Splatoon@reddit
I think you are overanalysing and seeing things that aren’t necessarily there
DutchieinUS@reddit
That’s not about the people, it’s about the location.
Valuable_Echo2043@reddit
Tbf, Mexicans ask Mexican-Americans (or rather, Americans) these questions all the time. I'm married to a Mexican myself and she wonders these things as well.