I’m an Indian living in Europe and I wish more of us would learn to blend in 🇮🇳
Posted by Adrian_Draston_0001@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 199 comments
I’m from India, currently living in Italy for my studies and I’ll be honest here, I’ve never faced racism or felt unwelcome here. People have been kind, polite, and genuinely curious about my background. But here’s the thing, I’ve also made an effort to respect and adapt to the culture I’m living in. I dress like locals, follow social etiquette, and try to speak their language. I observe first, act second. It’s not about pretending to be someone else, it’s about being respectful enough to understand the place that’s hosting you. Sadly, I’ve seen some fellow Indians abroad doing the opposite…being loud in public, leaving trash behind, forming groups that isolate them from locals, or acting like the world should adjust to their habits. I get it, we love our culture. But when we move abroad, it’s not about imposing it. It’s about carrying it gracefully. If you’re living or traveling abroad, remember that you’re representing 1.4 billion people whether you mean to or not and locals often form their impression of India through you. Let’s make people remember us for our kindness, respect, and adaptability, not for our unwillingness to integrate.
Massive_Bee_6740@reddit
Very few people have an issue with immigrants who are respectful, follow local etiquette, and don't cause problems.
Spanish and Italians have been immigrants to other countries for almost a century, France never had a problem with the Portuguese, nor the UK with the Polish. Chinatowns have been going on for centuries, and the locals don't tend to have issues with the Chinese even when they barely integrate because they focus on working.
When done this way immigration can even be possitive for local population.
The problem with immigration is when they disturb the local societal norms and reduce the percieved standards of living.
I live in an immigrant heavy neighborhood and you wouldn't be surprised at which nationalities are the ones that spit, throw garbage on the street, are loud in the metro, and have their kids screaming and running barefoot in restaurants.
elevenblade@reddit
As an American who emigrated to Sweden I agree with this wholeheartedly, OP.
Foodiguy@reddit
Ah the famous Americans expats who always adjust so well in other countries, learning the language and blending in so well…… Also famous worldwide as victims of racism…… /s
elevenblade@reddit
Either you have misunderstood my comment or I was not sufficiently explicit. I personally have in no way experienced discrimination in Sweden; on the contrary I have been very welcomed and feel I am now part of the community. But I have frequently been appalled by the behavior of my native countrymen and women here, both tourists and immigrants. That’s the commonality of experience I attempted to express with OP.
dillionfrancis@reddit
As an Indian expat in Sweden who moved in 2014, I agree too. We tried our best to assimilate and the reputation Indians had back then was significantly different. I moved out many years ago.
From my many visits to Sweden in recent years the many recent immigrants have not done the same it seems.
Foodiguy@reddit
Cool story bro, why does the government have a plan called “Handlingsplan mot rasism och hatbrott” to combat racism? Also the Sami would like a word with you.
Necessary_Mud2199@reddit
I think my opinion differs on that a little bit. I mean of course I agree that nobody should do negative things, like being loud in public or leaving trash behind, or many other things that are not good.
But there are these things that are neutral, like dressing like locals or trying to speak local language. Yes, you can do it, but that's optional.
CuriosTiger@reddit
Learning the local language really isn’t optional if your goal is integration.
Necessary_Mud2199@reddit
Ok, so if I decide to move to India, then which language should I learn ;-)
CuriosTiger@reddit
Depends on what part of India you’re moving to.
NectarineLumpy1833@reddit
I'm half italian and half indian...I'm glad you're having a good expeirence. But italians are quite racist...I pass as white so people feel emboldened to say things to me, and the kind of things I have heard from italians...would make doanld trump blush, let me put it that way. Africans and north Africans have it worst, then Indians and Bangladeshis, and then Easter europeans.
BE_MORE_DOG@reddit
Yea, I sorta feel like OP has had a decent time and thinks it's all because she's doing as the Romans do. Unfortunately, she will meet many jerks who only see her skin colour and give zero care about her efforts to integrate and be respectful. Europe is pretty racist, and I won't say Italy is worse than average, but it is.
Being a good immigrant is great and all, but it will only get you so far. For plenty of locals, all they will see is that you're brown, or not from here, or have an accent, or don't speak Italian the way they do.
Weekly_War_6561@reddit
Chances are either OP has filtered her social circle and at some point there was no blatant racism in it OR she's not aware of the what they say behind her back. I'm also in Italian university and most of the time Italians by default assume my Italian is below A1 and while playing nice in English, they talk shit about me with each other in Italian. If OP doesn't have a proper level of Italian, she wouldn't be aware of this.
Paprika1515@reddit
This.
Non white people can be model immigrants, and attempt to assimilate through language, food, etc But ultimately you’ll never “blend” in, you’ll always be brown and that will be the tell of your difference or foreignness.
Being a respectful, kind and upstanding citizen should be expected of all members of society not only the coloured ones who feel they bear the burden of representing an entire country/ethnicity/race.
You will inevitably encounter discrimination and prejudice, don’t augment it by oppressing yourself further.
Stand tall, behave the way you would to demonstrate values of respect and kindness. Accept that you should be judged on your merits and actions alone and that the actions someone who shares your skin colour is not representative of you. White people are often extended that grace, and you should be too.
NectarineLumpy1833@reddit
Idk I think this post is triggering me because I have very personal experience with anti brown racism in italy. And I get even more angry when minorities self bash because I have trauma around that too....
Typical_Platform853@reddit
What you are talking about is nonna type people. Those are there everywhere in the world. It’s the upbringings they had, but that not an excuse, and I hear ya.
NectarineLumpy1833@reddit
Alot of italian young people are not much better. At my American uni, This italian exchange student refused to go to a k pop club with us and blatantly said he doesn't feel attracted to asians... this is not one off, This is common behavior that me and alot of others have expeirenced from multiple italians, young , old, etc. Speak to any italian who grew up there a minority and you will hear the same universal experience.
Foodiguy@reddit
So people who experience racism or made felt welcome have themselves to blame? Could it be some people have some different experience compared to you and maybe you shouldn’t make dumb and dangerous assumptions?
Indians have been really successful as immigrants, setting examples everywhere they go.
Nobody should feel shame from where they come. You don’t need to dress a certain way to get respect. You do your best, and be respectful.
NectarineLumpy1833@reddit
Half indian and italain ameircan here, a large section of Indians have this bizarre inferiority complex. Others are overly proud, theres no in between. Op has the former glarilngly . As someone who has family in italy, hearing OP say "italisn aren't racist, stop being brown!" Is making me roll in laughter. Thus sweet summer child
0x706c617921@reddit
Did you grow up in Italy or America?
NectarineLumpy1833@reddit
America, but travelled to see family in italy once or twice a year. Interacted with many many italians of all ages and there is a huge racism problem there. I can share several personal stories and documented evidence that the country and its people is racist af.
0x706c617921@reddit
I’m not surprised unironically lol.
NectarineLumpy1833@reddit
By what?
0x706c617921@reddit
I am Indian-American and I’ve noticed Europeans talk about how racist America is whatever but I feel like both white-Americans and Europeans can be racist just in different ways, unfortunately.
I did visit Italy and loved it and it probably is my favorite country to visit at least lol.
But I didn’t interact with any locals who weren’t working in tourism so I can’t speak for how racist the average Italian on the street is. Would suck if they’d hate my guts at least in secret.
NectarineLumpy1833@reddit
Oh don't get me wrong, it's a beautiful country. I love it. But I would never ever live there as an immigrant if that makes sense...I would live there if I had savings and money or as a vacation home. There are plenty of lovely open minded and worldly italians too. But there are enough racists for it to be a problem.
0x706c617921@reddit
Now back to personal experiences and stories, can you share them?
NectarineLumpy1833@reddit
Too many to list out but here is a sampling... - italian exchange student in my uni refusing to join a kpop club night because he is not attracted physically to asians - one of my good friends studied in italy, he is Chilean and very fruendly and he reported how he found it impossible to make friends, had a roommate who refused to share a space with his other gay friend - brown cousin has gone a few times, gets treated badly every single time, waiters overtly ignore them, etc. - Indian friend who is a travel enthusiast says italy is the only place he "hated" as people would openly cross the street and glare at him - overheard a talkative uncle at an airport discuss shooting migrants who dare enter - street sexual harassment but I can msotly deal with that - family who openly states their negative views on islam (more benign and i feel like this is common everywhere) - micro aggressions like bus drivers being pissy and rude even though I speak the language, meeting friends of friends or cousins who subtly or overtly exclude me
0x706c617921@reddit
Damn that sucks to hear.
I kinda wonder if waiters etc. weren’t rude to me cuz I was traveling with my parents. Maybe the mood and tone would be different if I was a solo traveling brown male.
MilkChocolate21@reddit
Thank you. I just mentioned that people are victims of racism just for existing, not because they earned it. Nobody earns being mistreated by not blending in. And cultural assimilation is just a lie b/c most countries in Europe have shown that you can have kids who speak the language, eat the food, and "blend" in every way, yet their names and phenotype means they get mistreated. I've heard white French people grumble that nobody on their World Cup team is "French"...
theskyisfallinn@reddit
I was writing the same thing. There is no excuse for racism. I’ve witnessed racism against indians even those who are integrated well. It means racism is not about how you adapt. Its a horrible mindset. Some people still have prejudices. And this is their problem, not yours.
mrtypec@reddit
op how does it taste
Embarrassed_Quote656@reddit
Your advice applies to everyone outside their own country.
Number-2932@reddit
Darling, you have just been too busy licking their boots to notice them spitting on the back of your head.
Adrian_Draston_0001@reddit (OP)
Thanks for all the thoughtful comments! Just to clarify …I wasn’t speaking against Indian culture at all. I’m proud of where I come from. I only meant that respecting local ways doesn’t mean losing our roots, it actually makes people respect our culture more :)
itsthekumar@reddit
Plenty of Indians do blend in tho and learn the local language etc. which many other groups aren't willing to do.
It's a two way street. Europeans should also show some patience. Which many do.
I think the big difference is going from Indian society to one with more rules and regulations. But those take a while to learn.
throwaway774447@reddit
No, look what happened in Canada. Bad behaviour and integration everywhere. Yes there are some gems and incredible people, but are you going to sort them all out?
We need country based caps like the USA to ensure integration. That is the only fair way.
itsthekumar@reddit
The media focuses only on the bad. There's plenty of good as well.
The issue is that Canada let so many immigrants in at one time and didn't give society enough time to process them.
throwaway774447@reddit
> didn't give society enough time to process them.
Nah. Indians must assimilate to Canadian culture. Not the other way around. We need caps.
itsthekumar@reddit
No, Canadians must also give patience. Canada is a multicultural society.
OneArmedWolf11@reddit
canada literally allowed anyone with a passport in
pre 2020 i dont think there were huge issues
throwaway774447@reddit
Nah, there was already too much segregation in Surry, and I'm guessing Brampton. We need integration, mixing, not enclaves.
Defiant-Dare1223@reddit
Not much more rules and regulations though. This is Italy we are talking about!
firealready@reddit
There is significant amount of illegal immigrants from India in Italy which is considered as gateway to other European countries.
If someone comes illegally (I am not talking about escaping persecution, these are people paying €30€K+ for this) they are going to be different than skilled immigrants from India.
lalalandestellla@reddit
I think this is very true for anyone living abroad not just Indians. I know English and Irish people living in France who have never even tried to learn the language, which is just crazy to me. It doesn’t matter where you live, you should always try to adapt to the local culture. It’s not about forgetting who you are, or culture or where you came from, but what is the point of moving to a new country if you are not willing to adapt. It is possible to maintain both and your life is actually richer for it. By not trying to adapt at least a bit, you are making your life unnecessarily harder.
Silly_Tomatillo6950@reddit
Ireland used to be the Indians of Europe
Henk_de_Fries@reddit
Explains the flags.
Dollypuggle@reddit
Amsterdam’s full of people that don’t bother to learn Dutch. I know people that have lived here 30 years or more that can barely string a sentence together.
BE_MORE_DOG@reddit
To be fair, the dutch aren't very punitive with those who don't learn their tongue.
Henk_de_Fries@reddit
We are too proud showing off ourselves. It really is our pitfall.
thevampirecrow@reddit
this makes me feel a bit better as a brit learning french and trying my best :')
ShoePillow@reddit
Bonjour, ca va?
huehuehuecoyote@reddit
My opinion is that, as long as you follow the law, pay your taxes and are not an asshole, you can be whoever you want.
CuriosTiger@reddit
That last part is sadly often overlooked.
Honeybee1921@reddit
Im a foreigner (Italian living in Norway) and the only times we (my family) push our culture on locals is if they enter our home. Outside, we’re just your average Norwegians. If the norwegians are invited to our place, then they’re the guests. It’s that simple for us
CuriosTiger@reddit
I’m a Norwegian living in the US. I’ve lived here for so long (over 20 years) that I feel like I’m a product of both cultures. If you visit my home, you’ll find a blend of American and Norwegian elements. As well as several other cultures from my travels and interests.
Out in public, I conform to American norms, but I still have a personality and opinions. Some of those are colored by growing up in Norway, such as preferring soccer to American football or holding my knife in my hand continuously while I eat. But I’m not going to rub my Norwegian roots in anyone’s face. If people ask, on the other hand, I’m happy to share.
Afraid_College8493@reddit
Maybe best to post on a forum dominated by Indians?
CuriosTiger@reddit
I don’t see why. This advice is applicable to expats in general. There’s nothing wrong with OP sharing it here.
NewZanada@reddit
If you’re not interested in embracing the culture of the country, why move there?
Worldgonecrazylately@reddit
Good for you buddy. You are doing the right thing. The host country has been good enough to allow you to live there and further your studies, you do right by trying to blend in. In Canada, it's been a different type of Indian immigrants, by and large. Of course, we get good and bad, like most places, but we got an inordinate number of "bad" Indian immigrants. This is because many of them cheated the system to get it. They would not have gotten in otherwise, would not meet our standards. The cultural practice of Jugaad offends most Canadians, but it is completely acceptable in India. I get it, the Indian gov't is corrupt and inffecient, so the only way to survive is to jugaad. But Canada is an honest and honour based society, and those who take advantage, or jugaad, give everyone else of the same background a bad reputation. It's not fair, we should all be judged individually, but alas, we are humans, full of judgement.
Odd-Owl-7413@reddit
Your entire comment reeks disinformation. It was the Canadian colleges, institutions, and government that created a system of planting diploma mills to make the big bucks slamming right off the door, and messed up big time on the uncontrolled numbers, NOT the other way round.
Worldgonecrazylately@reddit
What you state might be true (long shot), but it might also be a poorly written pce of legislature that left holes that some (many) took advantage of. Or is that just too much for you to comprehend? So based on your logic, you could say the same about OINP, TFW, FSWP, all are scams perpetrated by the government to extract money from 3rd world countries? And "planting" diploma mills, really? So you think the gov't was involved in some nefarious plan to open these BS schools? I don't suppose any of these schools were owned and operated by Indians? Like the fake driving schools, owned by Indians and used to get around actually learning to drive, right? Conspiracy theorist, maybe? Who's spouting bullshit and disinformation?
Why only the Indians took advantage of it? It was open to all nationalities, no? But other nationalities didn't use the loopholes and come in droves. Indians are well versed in taking advantage, it's cultural. Indians even have a word for it, jugaad, you don't find that unusual? Here, we call it cheating. It has a very different connotation, not an acceptable practice.
Once an Indian lands in Canada, ever single program to get free stuff is applied to. Our food banks, full of Indian students who were supposed to be self sufficient for the entire time they are here. That was the expectation. The rule was stated in their contract to study in Canada, which of course many Indians just don't bother with. Free stuff, sign me up. I volunteer at one, so don't try to blow smoke up my ass, it's overrun with Indians, many who arrive in nice cars for their free baskets. Large families means more child tax credits. Yep, sign me up for that. Doesn't matter that the avg Canadian family has less than 2 kids, let's have a bunch, they'll pay us to have them. Free money. Then pack 4 to a bedroom, because it's cheaper. But dont worry about the neighbours, it's none of their business. The Indian household packed to the brim with ppl are easy to see, on garbage day they are the ones with 3x as many garbage bags. But hey, fill up the landfill, not our problem, it's a community problem. I could go on, but my point is made. Starting to see why Indians get a bad image? They don't want to be part of our community, they want to bleed it for all they can get. Personal gain vs societal gain, simple as that. And not all Indians are like this, but the vast majority are. It's cultural, maybe not their fault as it's normal where they come from, but it's not Canadas problem either, and we didn't ask them to come, they chose to come. So adjust to our societal norms, we aren't asking that much.
Listen, I get it, India is a shithole, I've been a few times on business. I'd want to get out too if I was born there. But that doesn't make it Canada's problem. Fix the problems in India, fix your government corruption. Make it a country worth living in so you'll want to stay. Try a little birth control maybe, be a good place to start.
OneArmedWolf11@reddit
indias fertility rate is literally below replacement low
Negative_Dish_9120@reddit
Jimmy Carr was asked for his advice for immigrants. He said: “Try to blend in.”
That doesn’t mean forget your language or culture, just try to acknowledge the other one you’ve moved to. Enrich it with your presence, but care that it exists.
EphemeralSparrow@reddit
What’s wrong with people? I found a different post about this post where people are hating on the original one (this post). He didn’t say anything wrong so why are they hating on him? People need to learn and respect for sure! 😭
Queasy-River1108@reddit
Do something about the smell please! That thing along should be enough to deport someone.
Difficult_Pop8262@reddit
Look. Do you thing and that's it. There's good and bad immigrants and there are good and bad hosts.
Don't try yourself to carry the burden of 1.4 million people. That's a burden you can't carry.
I always love how people in Europe complain the immigrants don't blend in. These people mostly haven't emigrated themselves and they haven't grown up, as children, in places that were already full of European immigrants. For them, an Italian/Galician/Basque ghetto is an incomprehensible idea because they did not live it. But I did.
I grew up from immigrants, among immigrants. Immigrants that only mingled with them (the Spaniards where the funniest, the Canarians in one corner, the Galicians in another, the Catalans in another and the Basques in another), immigrants that would take an entire sector of a city and turn it in their own style, architecture and culture. Immigrants that brought domestic violence (LOT'S OF IT), traumatic religious dogma (CATHOLIC), and a bit of mafiosi activity, too.
And yet, I had one of the richest, culturally diverse upbringings I have seen anyone have, and I am very grateful for that. I later got to visit most of the countries my immigrant communities come from and I was double thankful.
You, by being you, will touch the hearts of the locals, which will remember YOU not the assholes and they will know that india has both educated people and less educated people. And that's going to be it.
Do not forgo your uniqueness and individuality for the group. You are not the group and the group does not represent you.
fg_hj@reddit
In which country did you grow up?
Semido@reddit
Australia or USA?
mrbrettromero@reddit
Italian/spanish ghetto, gotta be Argentina
Ok_sun_sea@reddit
Unlikely, the last big Spnaish/Italian immigration was post WW2, and Reddit isn't famous enough in Argentina for 80 year olds to be active. That being said, if s/he's a 80 year old on Reddit, sale juntada
Weekly_War_6561@reddit
I wish I could give you more than one upvote.
kitanokikori@reddit
In some senses I agree with you (leaving trash around is rude no matter where you go), but I feel like some people would call this "internalized xenophobia" - that you're starting to believe the shitty things that garbage people say about other cultures.
Other cultures are actually Great and cool, and when I see and interact with people who are way different than I am, that makes my life and my community Better, not worse
throwaway774447@reddit
Beyond food and dress you cannot be serious. You seriously think that cultures that are oppressive of women are “ actually Great and cool” I like afghani food, I’d never want to be afghani.
_delicja_@reddit
This reply makes no sense. He is not starting to believe what other people say about Indian culture, he is talking about his own culture, witnessed first hand.
He is also not denying that other cultures are great and cool, he is only calling them out for being hermetic: so missing the interaction element that you are praising yourself.
kitanokikori@reddit
The entire tone of this post is, "when I see my countrymen act particularly Indian, I feel embarrassed".
And I am asking OP, "Why do you feel that way?" and pointing out that maybe the people telling them to feel that way, might actually be the ones who are Wrong.
Monkeyatadartboard@reddit
Eh, after an embarrassing stint in my teen years, I've never wanted to give people a hard time for not blending in. For starters, I'm not in love with my own culture, and I'd feel better if more people weren't like that. Second, not everyone is good with languages. We try, but sometimes it just doesn't happen. Try not to give people less gifted than you a hard time.
Professional_Mix2418@reddit
Hmm learning the language is the most elementary act one can do when moving abroad. Come on, if you can't muster that then what is the point in moving.
Monkeyatadartboard@reddit
Professional_Mix2418@reddit
I get that I’m the worst. But come on when you move countries that is an elementary part. Communicating is what people need to do. Hiding behind oh I’m not good at it is a you problem. Not others. Jeez make an effort will you.
Monkeyatadartboard@reddit
I'm starting to think you lack reading comprehension. Is English your second language? Try reading it again. Ill give you credit when you say something that indicates an appropriate response.
Professional_Mix2418@reddit
That is your problem. You only want to hear people agreeing with you. 🤷♂️
Monkeyatadartboard@reddit
This is a perfect example of why YOU(esp) shouldn't give people a hard time about lack of language skills.
Professional_Mix2418@reddit
You totally mis understand. I have no issue with people trying and learning. The issue is that you want a get out of jail for free card for not even doing it because you aren’t good at it. 🤷♂️
Anyone supports people learning a language. Heck a baby/toddler can learn a language. It’s not hard. What is hard is going for it. And that is within your own control.
Imaginary-Neat2838@reddit
Their brain at a younger age is more flexible and much higher neuroplasticity.
Monkeyatadartboard@reddit
Still missing the point. I'd suggest trying to read it one more time. Have you gotten to the second sentence yet?
Professional_Mix2418@reddit
And one wonders why you get a bad rep 🤷♂️
Monkeyatadartboard@reddit
I speak English on an English website. You are having trouble with English. Why are you giving me a hard time?
Professional_Mix2418@reddit
You are not as smart as you think you are with the double bluff. Only come across as even worse. Exactly the type so disliked around the world.
Monkeyatadartboard@reddit
Uh huh. You make a lot of friends this way?
Background-Humor2642@reddit
As a guy who is from America and briefly lived in Saudi Arabia, I understand the anxiety people feel about mixing with people that are dissimilar to them. I personally wasn't like that, but I understand it. I'm glad to see you're open-minded and engaged, but not all people are like that. In fact, I'd say most people aren't like that.
You do your thing, while they do theirs.
fg_hj@reddit
I think the difference is that if I don’t want to blend in with saudies I don’t move there in the first place. Not saying this is an argument against immigration, just that people who have a problem with immigrants would use this as a fair argument against them.
Background-Humor2642@reddit
Fair point. That being said, usually the best way for this to happen is for members of the hosting community to guide you and encourage you. That doesn't always happen. Most people are content to go about their own lives. Also, more often than not, the members of the hosting community who are most keen to have immigrants integrate, aren't making efforts to encourage them and sometimes even malign them. As somebody who has been through it, I wouldn't be keen to suck up to a bunch of people who hate me, only to find out that they are just average people (as are we all).
fg_hj@reddit
True. It’s the responsibility of the host society to make immigrants assimilate.
Background-Humor2642@reddit
I don't think 'make' is the right word here. I think 'encourage' is better.
SeriousPigeon@reddit
Keep in mind your awareness is probably skewed. I live in Germany and I assure you, I regularly see Germans being too loud, spitting sunflower seeds on the train floor, smoking IN the train, etc. It's not all the time, but I'd say at least half the time I see antisocial behavior, it's locals. But I only get embarrassed when someone who is obviously American does it, and those are the distinct times I can actually remember. Your may just be hyperaware of the instances that you feel reflect on you and India as a whole. I definitely don't have the race perspective here, but that may play a role in amplifying your feelings and experiences, feeling concern that these folks are going to amp up the racism for all of you. I agree with the poster who said to focus on you being you! It sounds like integration is going well for you and you are having a good time, which is fantastic.
Competitive_Lion_260@reddit
Ukrainians and Bulgarians eat (and spit) sunflower seeds. I see Ukrainians doing that here in the Netherlands, too.
howmanyhowcanamanyho@reddit
You might live in Germany but you are clearly not German. Spitting sunflower seeds isn’t a German thing, talking loudly in trains is laughably contradictory to German etiquette. Smoking inside a train is something I could see a drunk person doing, but I’ve never seen it myself, and I grew up in a big city.
SeriousPigeon@reddit
Try riding the train between Cologne and Düsseldorf on a weekend night during Karneval, or after a footie match, or get on a train from a big concert late at night in Cologne. You'll see some wild behavior. I agree, these are absolutely not German things, that's the whole point. But even Germans sometimes behave antisocially or in ways that are not polite society.
I will admit the sunflower seeds was a one time thing, were a group who was clearly mixed with Germans and non natives, but the German drunk dudes were spitting the seeds provided by their friend too. Maybe it was just a "when in Rome", but it still stands, that even natives sometimes behave in ways that are not socially acceptable. That time at least stuck with me, because I was raised that spitting in sight of anyone, in any context, is one of the rudest most disgusting things you can do.
I have seen several times now people light up before the train stops, and take a puff and fucking exhale inside before de-boarding, typically on early morning long distance trains. Not like, smoking the whole thing in the train, but still definitely not an acceptable or even legal behavior.
I will also mention, Cologne is possibly the... grittiest German city I've lived in, it's definitely in a different league than Düsseldorf or Münich.
Inevitable_Stay_8363@reddit
Sunflower seeds? I have never seen a German eating sun flower seeds in public.
AverellCZ@reddit
Germans spitting sunflower seeds? Absolutely not. Not every white person is a German.
TheSunflowerSeeds@reddit
Drying sunflower seeds at higher temperatures helps destroy harmful bacteria. One study found that drying partially sprouted sunflower seeds at temperatures of 122℉ (50℃) and above significantly reduced Salmonella presence.
Haribou1989@reddit
As an Indian living abroad, I have very mixed opinions on this. India has the biggest diaspora in the world and a very successful one at that - so I think our practices have worked. When I see the Irish get drunk on St Patty’s or Germans celebrate Oktoberfest like they would back home, I wonder where are the Indian versions of these. In fact , I think we blend as much as any other group does but we get talked about more because of racism and just the sheer number of us. We adapt to their cultures, eat their food, start following their sports but often get called out for wearing our clothes, celebrating our festivals when most other cultures do so as well. Fact is we have a diverse culture, clothing that can stand out and the rest of Europe probably dont stand out as much in comparision . I would love to see more respect among expat Indians. Fyi, this is coming from someone who rarely celebrates Indian festivals and is pretty much westernised in every aspect of life. But I would love to see us appreciate our culture a bit more while blending in. Just my personal opinion though.
Hot-Improvement-189@reddit
Oh please. Indians are not picked on for their clothes and festivals.
Come to UAE and watch them playing their music on phone loudspeaker on public transport, disrespecting people's personal space, throwing garbage all over the place, ogling at women like they want to assault them, and generally being pests.
It's a lack of civic awareness. Nothing to do with clothing.
Haribou1989@reddit
Ever been to Bali ? Pretty much the same situation with Europeans and Australians creating all kinds of nuisance there . I live in one of the safest countries on earth and the only person who assaulted me here was British . Very recently, Australian tourists got arrested here for shoplifting. I can give so many examples! It is not just Indians who trash places but prolly people with tunnel vision fixate on that . So best find a good outlet for your sanctimony!
Hot-Improvement-189@reddit
Yeah I stayed in Kuta only. I hated it.
"It is not just Indians who trash places but prolly people with tunnel vision fixate on that "
Approximately half of this country I live in is Indian.
I think when 50% of the population is from a certain nation, "tunnel vision" can not be blamed. Because it's exactly the same outside of the tunnel.
Competitive_Lion_260@reddit
This is so true. Most women dont even open that part of Facebook messenger mailbox anymore (the part where the mesenges come in from people who are not on your friends list) because its just (a lot of) Indian men with gross messages and dick picks 🤮
Haribou1989@reddit
I dont think its the same everywhere - As I have mentioned, my experience is that Indians get singled out much more for behaviours that other countries also exhibit. As far as getting suggestive messages is concerned, I dont need a hint as I spoke from personal experience - I have dealt with trash from the countries I mentioned. And really, find another outlet for your sanctimony instead of being fixated on one country being the center of all issues.
Hot-Improvement-189@reddit
I think you might have a head injury or be just bad at reading comprehension.
At no point have I said "one country is the center of all issues".
But there are a lot of them, and it's a game of statistics. And as I said, half my country is 50% Indian, so it's a lot more prominent.
If I wanted to blame an entire nation for the ills of the world, it wouldn't be India. So kindly stop making dumb assumptions.
"I dont need a hint as I spoke from personal experience - I have dealt with trash from the countries I mentioned. "
I'm sure you have. But most of the guys in your inbox are either South Asian or Arab. Deny it as much as you like. And yes, I said MOST, not ALL, before your dyslexia forces you to make more assumptions.
"And really, find another outlet for your sanctimony..."
I think you need to google that word. You've used it twice, and it doesn't mean what you think it means. And if it does, you are misapplying it.
Go lie down and let your head injury recover.
Or even better, go take a trip to Uttar Pradesh on your own and tell me how that works out for you.
NAMASTE!
Haribou1989@reddit
Well Well, the trash just exposed itself out. I am out of this now!
Competitive_Lion_260@reddit
This. Especially the ogling (and worse) at women.
elevenblade@reddit
I see a difference between Indian and German/Irish people living abroad in your example. If I put on a pair of lederhosen and join in Oktoberfest or drink Guiness in an Irish bar on St Paddy’s Day I feel welcome and included.
I would love to attend an Indian cultural event where I could try on Indian clothing, eat Indian food and learn about Indian culture. Maybe the answer is for expatriate Indians to organize such things and make it really, really explicit that everyone is welcome.
Minskdhaka@reddit
I don't know about Sweden, but Bangladeshi, Indian and other South Asian cultural events where everyone is welcome are very common here in Canada.
elevenblade@reddit
I was thinking mainly of Southern California than Sweden when I wrote the above comment but I don’t recall any such events either in the USA or in Sweden. I don’t doubt they exist but they are not nearly as visible as Oktoberfest and St Patrick’s Day.
essentialaccount@reddit
Not to mention, Diwali and the like are substantially more disruptive. Can't go igniting thousands of fireworks in some cities. There events get sanitised when hosted abroad. It's the only way the continue
Haribou1989@reddit
I agree - India has a lot of festivities beyond Diwali as well . If Indians are breaking local laws during Diwali, that is surely condemnable but not more than any other culture celebrating their culture and leaving trash ( beer cans, cigarettes, puke, catcalling women) and behaving like trash.
Haribou1989@reddit
Where I live, Indian events are open to other expats. You are curious so you care about understanding other cultures , many aren’t curious enough to explore Indian cultures. At least not beyond enjoying some curry!
titanium_mpoi@reddit
also a good point.
crani0@reddit
Yeah, there is a pretty purposeful mix up between "integrating" and "assimilating". Europeans have forced their traditions everywhere they have gone for centuries but all of a sudden when their culture is starting to be miscegenated it's "you need to integrate" and "respect the locals".
LetuceLinger@reddit
There's being disliked and mistreated just for being a different race and/or color, and then there's being disliked for talking loudly on your phone throughout the bus or metro ride, pushing others when entering or exiting train, cutting in line, and refusing to wear deodorant. Use your headphones and your common sense. If your behavior assaults the ears or nose, don't expect to feel welcomed anywhere. Having said that, your traditional clothes, food, and music enrich any country when it respects people and places. It is nice to have variety
Numerous_idiot@reddit
Yeah i hear you. I am a foreigner who moved to Italy 3y ago. Wonderful country and people. I try to blend in as much as i can. I learn italian i eat local food i listen local music i have local friends and so on. I know many indians around and sometimes they shock me when i get to know that they live in Italy 10-20y. They barely speak the language. They only and exclusively eat their own food own traditional clothing and so on. I mean it is nice one keeps the heritage of their culture but aome has absolutely zero interest in the country they live in. Living in italy for 20y and never even heard about parmigiano cheese (tasting is another thing) dont know basic terms and so on. So yes keeping someone’s background is wonderful but also nice to blend into the local culture if someone lives there a lifetime.
MilkChocolate21@reddit
I'm not sure why you think people shouldn't wear their own clothing. How exactly is that a problem? They aren't white and that's ok. It's also ok if people want to wear saris or anything else from their home country.
Numerous_idiot@reddit
I actually said the opposite but you’re just looking for an argument. I said it is nice they keep their own culture but it is also strange that someone is not interested at all in the local culture after 20y. I have friends who moved to india some years ago. White people as you would say. They do absorb indian culture and not only insisting to live their own way in a bubble as if it is europe. Harmonious living is always somewhere between and not in the extremes.
wildcatwoody@reddit
If I moved to India I’d rock those Saris like a mofo
LearyBlaine@reddit
If you're white, you'd be accused of "cultural appropriation" by the shrieking harpies who accuse white people of pretty much everything bad.
bespoketranche1@reddit
Well it depends, are you going to an event that requires traditional Indian clothing? Then it’s not appropriation. If not, you’ll end up looking like Justin Trudeau, awkwardddd.
wildcatwoody@reddit
Wouldn’t even care they can fuck all the way off and I am liberal
LearyBlaine@reddit
That is a GREAT expression, man! I’m totally stealing that.
SeanBourne@reddit
Maybe from people back home. From what I‘ve seen of Indian people, their responses would range from thrilled that a white person was wearing a sari, to just getting a lighthearted kick out of it. They don’t seem to have time for things like ‘cultural appropriation’.
Numerous_idiot@reddit
“Not culturally appropriate” apparently it is a thing now. Look it up. My mom loved india. She went there several times since the 80s..
MasterpieceNew7000@reddit
You can like living in a country without liking the food of that country it's not that black and white
Cornelius_Pistoiae@reddit
Not in Italy. That’s a crime
Numerous_idiot@reddit
Do you read? It is not the food. It is everything. The language. The food. The movies. The music. And nobody said they “have to like” the food but at least try it. It is weird you live somewhere decades and you don’t even want to try local food. Liking it is another question, not trying is just a lack of care. Completely different thing.
MasterpieceNew7000@reddit
I mean, yes? But that's just vanishingly unlikely. I think vast majority have "tried" and then decided it's not for them. Actually I can't think of a single person who hasn't at least tried some of the local food. Of course they have. Who hasn't eaten a pizza
Numerous_idiot@reddit
I would think so too. But then again since i am a foreigner i hang out tons of foreigners as well. Trust me there are people not only didnt try they didnt even hear about local good. They see it around it but if you ask they dont know. It is not about indians it is true for every nations that they have individuals not intrested in the country where they live. I have romanian neighbors. They live there 10+ years. Not a single bit integrated (they speak italian tho) in any way. My romanian friends tell me the same. Parents moved to Italy 20-30y ago and they hate italy and everything about italy. I am saying this example because as soon as you talk about non white people you are racist. It is literally every foreign groups have individuals living in a country most their life and despising it. It is just weird if you ask me.
MasterpieceNew7000@reddit
The more I live the more I'm ok with that. I think if I moved back to where "I'm originally from" I would be so westernized they see me as a foreigner. And would I be willing to undo that to fit in? Or would I want to stay who I currently am? Would I be able to make local friends or would the culture gap be too large? Honestly the culture gap between me and more recent immigrants is large enough that I don't really fit in.
So I think I'm pretty sympathetic to people who don't integrate.
As long as they follow local laws and contribute meaningfully to society, is that not enough?
I think the children of immigrants tend to be much more integrated, just from growing up in the host country. Integration is a problem that disappears fairly quickly.
There's obviously something keeping your friends parents in Italy, otherwise they would have moved. And a lot of Italians hate Italy too, no?
Numerous_idiot@reddit
Italians hate Italy in a sense they love to complain about Italy. As soon as they leave Italy they become the most patriotic people ever. They miss italy in everything. They see italy in everything. “In italy we make it better, tastier, nicer, prettier, quality..” famous sentences. I agree of course as long as immigrants contribute to society then everything is fine. Indians are one of the best ones by the way in many ways. And i believe to be open minded in general as races regardless of white and non. I love indian food one of my favorite so i can eat Indian anyday. On the other hand i dont like much African food (except ethiopian). But every time i am invited to Africans i am going to enjoy it even though it is not my preference but this is being open minded. You dont have to do that of course but it is nice and respectful. We are all different tho so if someone happy living a life in a country without enjoying the local part of it is a choice we need to respect, but it is also a bit strange. My comment was just that i understand the frustration of the OP as well. We have Indian friends in our circles also a young girl who grew up in italy. She is more Italian than me because i only live there 3y. She only likes to wear jeans and t-shirt and regular clothes but her parents consider her rebellious for it. She is late 20s maybe 28-29 as you said much more integrated than her parents. But it upsets them she doesn’t wanna live their ways. I understand both sides but again if you choose to live in another country, it is a side effect that maybe your kids wanna be westernized and not keeping traditions. I am European “white” but lived in 5 different countries in my life. My wife is from the middle east. My circle of friends are all kind of colors and races so i don’t consider myself to my original place of birth. I find my way and happiness anywhere but i definitely could not live at a place that I dislike. As for the Romanians they probably there for jobs and business. But actually many are moving back to Romania as life is also much better there than before.
zyine@reddit
Sometimes adhering to a former culture is a problem. I've seen women with their delicate silk saris dragging in dirty slush and snow in Chicago in subzero temperatures. This is irrational.
GalaXion24@reddit
In this case clothing is self-expression and both conformity and nonconformity send a message. If I go to North Africa people won't like it if I wear shorts because in Islam-influenced culture it's improper for men to show their knees, so wearing linen trousers would be more respectful of their social expectations, just as an example.
Also how you dress has nothing to do with whether you're "white"
MilkChocolate21@reddit
You can't wear your shorts at the St. Peter's, but somehow I bet you don't find that backwards and unacceptable. I went to the largest mosque in India and all I had to do was wrap a scarf around my bare arms...hardly oppressive.
GalaXion24@reddit
...where did I express being upset?
Although I would distinguish between a temple dress code and a general cultural expectation of "propriety." E.g. if I visit a synagogue then I will of course cover my head if requested, but it would be very strange if you had to wear a hat all day every day everywhere! If you build a place of worship you can expect everyone to wear a clown costume there for all I care, it's your private club.
hikingmaterial@reddit
it may not be, depending on where and cultural customs of the locals and foreigners.
clothing can be more than just personal choice, so at least recognise it can be a problem.
__boringusername__@reddit
No Need to torture yourself.
abraxas1@reddit
Go check out some Pino Daniele. For starters.
bespoketranche1@reddit
Rino Gaetano’s Aida. Always makes me cry, even though I’m not Italian. Ughh his complicated love for his country. Gone too soon.
makerkit@reddit
unless the music is at least 20 years old
Remote-Alert@reddit
lol
Numerous_idiot@reddit
I like italian music. Not a torture at all.
CommissionedSom@reddit
It’s funny you mention cheese - when Indian immigrants are significantly responsible for keeping the Italian cheese industry alive. Reckless and disrespectful immigrants exist, but there are also those that contribute to the cultural heritage of the country. Unwillingness to assimilate isn’t a uniquely Indian problem either.
Numerous_idiot@reddit
Nobody said they are reckless disrespectful immigrants. Nobody said that it’s an exclusively Indian problem. Post was made by an Indian talking about indians so I reflected to his post. I could mention other nationalities as well.
CommissionedSom@reddit
Well, the original post and you listed out the ways in which Indian immigrants do not make an effort to assimilate, so I figured I'd point out ways in which they do. My response wasn't meant to challenge your observations but offer an alternate perspective. That’s all.
Numerous_idiot@reddit
Sure gotcha
Objective-Variety-98@reddit
I'm very glad for your experience and I absolutely agree. "When you go to Rome, you must do like the Romans do"
DenominatorOfReddit@reddit
You’re not alone:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianCivicFails
Rest assured though, there’s a sizable and vocal group echoing what you are saying, and are trying to change things in India for the better.
MisterMakena@reddit
This is very good advice. Indians tend to congregate only with each other from what I've seen here in pockets of the US, even in large cities. They criticize East Asians for acting white or trying to blend in too much but it has nothing to do with abandoning ones roots or identity, rather, it being about assimilation into the country you live in because its a better country and is why you are there and want to be part of. I dont remember ever seeing a Japanese person wearing traditional Japanese clothes in NYC, but you will see Indian people wearing Indian clothes. The clothes are not the problem, but they speak to the difference in how one group assimilates and attempts to be part of their present.
TequilaStories@reddit
Observe first, act second is fantastic advice when moving overseas. Congratulations on enjoying your new country, although with your attitude am sure you could make anywhere work.
MexicanPete@reddit
This is so dead on. We'll said.
Leading_Support_776@reddit
I couldn't agree more. Integrating makes for a richer experience for you as well as the people you connect with.
nuadha@reddit
In a slight defence of not specifically any country, but I think it can take a while and a lot of cultural research or exposure to understand the cultural norms of a new country. I think it's hard to learn to see that acting in certain ways that are completely okay and normal in your own culture may come across negatively or even rude in another culture.
I know there's a stereotype about "loud" Americans in Europe, for example, but it's very easy to go oblivious to how it might be perceived negatively when you're just blind to it.
Not an excuse, things used to annoy the hell out of me about the likes of this, but now I do try to figure out if there's a different cultural lens in play or if they're just plain rude.
Also, I know it's definitely more cringe when it's your own country men breaking the social norms!!
Turbulent-Remote2866@reddit
This smells like a white
SeanBourne@reddit
As an American who moved abroad - I agree with you totally… and can sympathize completely about representing one’s culture. I try to be a ‘good‘ example of an American and not the stereotype - particularly among a populace that can be quite anti-American (though similar to you, they’ve been nothing but nice to me for the most part).
DJSteveGSea@reddit
I'm an American who wants to move to the Netherlands, and I'm 100% on board with you. Why move to that country if you're not going to respect the culture of that country? I've never understood that.
AmazingAndy@reddit
on the subject of indians abroad and clothing i have noticed that indian men will dress "western" whilst indian women wear traditional clothes like sari. any theory on why this is?
Plutomite@reddit
I kind of agree with you on this one. Especially because you’re not saying that you should forget your cultures or customs. You’re just saying that you should use Italian social etiquette when you are out. I‘m half Iranian and I was told to always respect Iranian culture and custom when we go visit family overseas. As an adult, a few of my family members have immigrated to the US, and when I try to explain American social etiquette, they just remind me that that’s not what they’re used to. Like no shit.😆 I know you’re not used to that but I am one of your best sources to understand what is appropriate and what is inappropriate in American culture.
LearyBlaine@reddit
"It's not about pretending ... it's about being respectful." Wise words. Wise words.
AlisaWonderland7@reddit
So far that representation had been mostly negative one.
Commercial_Leek6987@reddit
Jinu? Is that you?
humming1@reddit
Come visit parts of Vancouver and Toronto in Canada. Some of our new immigrants acts like they never left India. Not sure why they would move across the globe just to act like they never left India. HOWEVER I am not complaining about the cuisines they bring with them. 😂
MasterpieceNew7000@reddit
New immigrants will act like new immigrants integration doesn't happen overnight. Give it ten years and it'll be fine
Honestly I don't get the hubub
Kind-Can3567@reddit
Canada basically attracted a lot of lower skilled Indian labor more recently. Unfortunately the frustration of Canadians on Indians in social media are now also being co-opted in other countries social media.
StatisticianAfraid21@reddit
It's really weird though the types of Indian migrants to Canada. You've really attracted a low calibre and I believe many of the recent migrants have attended fake colleges in Brampton and are doing low wage work. I honestly don't understand why the Canadian government let this happen.
I'm 2nd / 3rd generation Indian origin and live in the UK. I consider myself British (Scottish more specifically because where I grew up and my accent). I would say Indian people have integrated pretty well. Even in the Indian areas like Wembley and Leicester, these places have really smartened up compared to my childhood. You find Indian-origin people across all elite professions in the UK including banking, tech, medicine and law. There's definitely more inter-marriage with different ethnicities than before.
This has not been the case with the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities though who are arguably more religiously conservative than many Muslim majority countries I've been too.
humming1@reddit
Canada does need more immigration and also a need to fill entry level positions. It’s how the government select who is allowed to come into Canada needs tweaking.
Canada celebrates its multiculturalism and the community of ethnic Indian professionals.
The “mis-behaving” is a very recent phenomenon in the last 10 years. Anyways.. it is what it is.
The country is now more selective who is welcomed into the country which will limit hard working Indians who wants to immigrate, integrate and make a real difference in their lives.
MasterpieceNew7000@reddit
Actually, I think it's fine to not blend in. I don't think you need to erase who you are just so people will accept you. And people who immigrate later in life will probably have language difficulties for the rest of their life. I think in that case it's fine if ... they feel more comfortable talking with people who speak their native language. Of course they would. They're speaking 8 hours of a foreign language at work, after that I think it's fine to socialize with people who speak the same native language and it's not a mental effort to communicate.
And you individually shouldn't represent 1.4 billion people. If you see someone white doing something antisocial do you think "oh all white people are trash" or do you think "that specific white person is trash". Immigrants are held up to a higher standard. I think that's an unfortunate reality, and you can deal with it how you want, but I don't think it's fair to require everyone to "act like a good representative" when we don't ask that of other people
wildcatwoody@reddit
This is the way it should be and how it was . Now people are assholes . Glad you’re not hated for existing
A_Quiet_American@reddit
I have friends from India, and worked with other people from India, you guys fit well in groups with other expats and after-work activities. I think you guys do not really face racism.
You know what the real problems are?
Hygiene, very often no washing hands "oh I forgot", right after toilet, strange smells, leaving a mess behind when making use of something.
The other one. TOO pushy with women, all the time, Indian friend and colleagues got lucky once with a woman? all the same, very annoying. Go to a bar, orbiting around, have a female colleague that talks? Sticky friend.
Nobody is gonna tell you but that's what people is thinking, vibe is there but not racism as such.
Another important thing to know for you, nobody, no one cares if the confuse you guys with a Bangladeshi or Pakistani or Sri Lankan. Reputation sticks and it is the same. Set an example, punish those who behave poorly.
BrownAndyeh@reddit
This is everywhere, all countries, all people. It's important to be aware and understanding that people come from all sorts of backgrounds, they are not used to new surroundings.
Best thing you can do, is help them understand by making light of a bad situation...ie. pick up the trash in front of them, and say --Hey, guess this isn't India eh?
Diplomama@reddit
Yes. Indians have such a bad but often well deserved reputation and so many have like zero emotional intelligence. Good for you.
JellyOk9999@reddit
Admire your level of self-awareness. Wish more people have your perspective.
immigrantstoryteller@reddit
Nice stuff. I really like your approach and message. I'd say that I couldn't agree more about your notions of respect, adjusting, being mindful of where you are and their culture, not just yours, including not being loud, the trash, etc. The only part that felt off of not needed, though I totally get why to do so, was the dressing like locals. It is one really interesting aspect of culture imo. In some countries, if you come and dress like them they may love it, in other they may feel you are trying to do cultural appropriation or may not see you the same way. While I agree on most of all of the things mentioned and find them incredibly helpful for others and as a message, I am not 100% sure someone needs to change the way they dress to respect the country they now live in. But I do see how that can play a role in a smoother integration into the new place. Best of luck with your studies.
MilkChocolate21@reddit
People should respect local norms and culture. Also, people should not use that as an excuse to be racist, b/c that's the flip side of it. And it might shock you that even if everyone who looked like you followed local norms, some people would still be racist to you. It's nice you haven't experienced it, but you're also talking about a country where people have thrown bananas onto the soccer field at Black players. Please tell me what "norms" you think they violated that earned that.
NoBaker3855@reddit
Well said! I am Polish living in the US and I agree with every single word you said. We are the guests and we are supposed to adjust.
EmptyCow1950@reddit
I’m an immigrant to the US. If you lived here for 30 years and don’t have a basic command of English, GTFO.
Long_jumping_Term@reddit
Duda, from another inmigrant, there are idiots everywhere, period. As you said, you just need to be respectful of the local culture where you live, it's easy really.
It just happens that there are many more Indians than any other of our nationalities out there, so statistically speaking there will also be more stupid ones, but it ain't exclusive at all!!
TheTesticler@reddit
The word you’re looking for is integrating.
Professional_Mix2418@reddit
Absolutely, it's the mantra I live and relocate by. I've lived in 17 countries so far. Always remember that the reason you go there isn't to make it your own home country, otherwise just stay at home as it's already perfect like that.
ThatsAllFolksAgain@reddit
This is the difference between people who are educated (actually understand the meaning of words) vs. just literate people (can read and write without understanding the meaning of words).
Fun fact, many people from other countries visiting India also behave like they’re still in their countries and the locals should bend to their will. Of course not everyone is like that but many are.
However, I’ve seen Indian people get more hate than most other people. Don’t know why.
antiputer@reddit
I think all of that is plenty, dress how you want congregate how you wish. But the spitting and the trash thing- it’s straight up pathogenic on top of disrespect
midnightscare@reddit
If you love your culture why so desperate to get out and flood every single country in the world
expats-ModTeam@reddit
Be nice to each other. Uncivil conduct, ad hominem attacks, etc. will result in up to 3 warnings and then a temporary ban. Violent, racist, homophobic, sexist, or generally bigoted attacks and content will be dealt with immediately with a ban of a week or more.
DazzlerFan@reddit
Interesting perspective. But it seems insane to me that you are anyone should think that they represent Indians writ large as an individual. You be you, if passing is your thing. Personally, I think individuality is what makes the world a better place. Glad you’re having a good experience in Italy, though.
titanium_mpoi@reddit
I agree, somehow when I tell this to my other immigrant friends I get called names. Don't know why but I've stopped trying and I just live my life peacefully now.
Wooden_Plantain2706@reddit
All people are like that, some people maybe are more aware and change their behaviors when in different environments others stay as they are, you can't really control that but i get it, even when i travel i cringe when i hear a loud american, or you're on a quiet subway and the only people talking are the westerners, its going to happen, but in this there's purpose and a reason your experience is what it is, i say take advantage of that, maybe do yourself a favor and not socialize so much with the indians you feel aren't assimilating this will help you assimilate more, enjoy yourself.
crani0@reddit
Sounds to me they are adjusting quite well, actually.
PossibleEqual99@reddit
Why are Indians so globally hated these days?
Emotional-Offer-6976@reddit
You NAILED it. I’ve been doing this and following this philosophy for about 30 years.. and my life has been grand.. just due to such conscious efforts. THANK YOU for putting it out there.
OtherwiseLuck888@reddit
Do you drink coffee after 11am?
736384826@reddit
That’s what Europe is all about, immigrants are welcome but usually society expects them to embrace the culture, customs and “blend in”. Americans might find this offensive or whatever but as a European I think this is the general expectation we have of immigrants.
pickles_are_delish_@reddit
You’re not like most Indians I know. Well done.
persikon@reddit
You either have a local/regional mindset or an international one. Unfortunately, familiarity is hard to let go.
peachypeach13610@reddit
I’m glad you are having a positive experience! Welcome