Here is the video, again found on the internet. Great for everybody waiting for their check-in in the morning and browsing reddit. I guess its a bigger russian airport? Haven't seen the video before here, so I thought it could be interesting.

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MonsieurLartiste@reddit

It’s pretty dark. It starts well. With people escaping on the slides. Then you notice too few come out. And then a couple just stumble face down. Smoke and heat knocked the passengers at the back out. Damn. 😣

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speculator100k@reddit

And, as always, **people prioritizing their fucking backpack over someone else's life**.

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Katana_DV20@reddit

Makes me so angry seeing that. These people need to face punishment. They need a new Air Law for this behaviour. I recall the same thing happened on the BA 777 engine blowout in Vegas. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/E384/production/_85444285_20150908_161618_resized_3.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/21/08/4D793A4200000578-5867221-image-m-2_1529566896696.jpg

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raven00x@reddit

AIl the laws in the world won't help if enforcement can be bought off for a couple roubles.

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Katana_DV20@reddit

Unfortunately - you are right. Sigh.

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DrewSmithee@reddit

You want to stop it, remove overhead bins and gate check carry-ons. Problem solved.

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PonyThug@reddit

Lock the overhead bins in emergency and make a loud announcement about leaving bags

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Aratoop@reddit

Incident investigation found that people collecting their luggage had no impact in the evacuation time in this incident, many people in the rear died with their seat buckles still fastened because the fire was so intense so quickly

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Admiral_Cloudberg@reddit

This is not what they ultimately found, if you read the final report. The investigators final opinion was that passengers retrieving baggage did impede the evacuation.

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speculator100k@reddit

While that's certainly better than if there had been confirmed deaths due to other passengers selfishness, the pax who brought their luggage out of the plane still wasted precious time for others.

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Aratoop@reddit

For sure, there's possibly people who had worse smoke inhalation than otherwise, but I just wanted to counter the narrative a little because people get so incensed about this particular incident every time it is mentioned. I think it's worth remembering that when people panic (as anyone would in this situation) they are barely thinking at all about their actions, and often do whatever they would normally when exiting the plane. They're not being selfish intentionally - one of the reasons that overhead bins don't lock is because there's the concern that people will waste even more time trying to open them in an emergency.

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peteroh9@reddit

While this shows how awful it is to grab your shit in an emergency, this video shows me how irritating it is to constantly see the comments redditors make when seeing this. Yes, it can lead to more people dying. But these are people who are panicking. Even if you drilled it into their heads, they'd still probably forget and just move on autopilot. But the only time people who are aviation nerds hear about how they shouldn't grab their stuff in an emergency is when they've already lost focus on the pre-flight briefing. They're not being evil, selfish, or any of the other things that people claim. They just have no reason to do otherwise. Prosecuting them would do nothing to prevent this in the future. Yes, it would be nice if we could teach people so that they actually know what they should do. But it would save so few lives that the resources could be better spent a million other ways. We can't make everyone aware of everything. Emergency landings are extremely rare. Evacuations are even rarer. Evacuations where lives could be lost because of time wasted are rarer still. It's bad that people do what they aren't supposed to do when that could endanger others. It's not the evilest, worst thing in the world. We don't need to go over-the-top attacking people in the midst of a catastrophe because of it.

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Arctica23@reddit

>Prosecuting them would do nothing to prevent this in the future. Actually this seems like the only way to make people aware of it in any other context than the safety briefing that, you're right, people immediately tune out.

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peteroh9@reddit

I don't think any of the people who you'd want to target with the info would ever hear about people being prosecuted for it.

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Miserable_Algae_9552@reddit

Welcoem to living in a soceity based on moeny. Of course poeple wil do that if they can

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Bnmko_007@reddit

I always wondered if these people had any post-accident awareness of the additional danger they caused. Were those who were identified carrying luggage ever told that they may have caused unnecessary deaths? Because I really hope they have some sense of guilt

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Tuff-Gnarl@reddit

Said it before. People need to be prosecuted whenever it’s caught on video.

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Rollover__Hazard@reddit

That emergency response was an absolute clusterfuck. Firefighting was appalling, random ground staff hanging around a blazing airframe with no protection… fucking atrocious

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Holiday-Interview-83@reddit

Russia

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conrat4567@reddit

I don't think they have ever responded well to any disasters

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Ding_Bingus@reddit

“Just pour concrete over it”

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AppearanceOk6112@reddit

But what about sand, boron, a pinch of lead perhaps?

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ImYourHumbleNarrator@reddit

gestures broadly at the world and their attempts at an empire

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djfl@reddit

We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.

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Katana_DV20@reddit

The luggage thing was seen elsewhere in the world. Like BA 777 engine blowout in Vegas. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/E384/production/_85444285_20150908_161618_resized_3.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/21/08/4D793A4200000578-5867221-image-m-2_1529566896696.jpg

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FiberApproach2783@reddit

The firefighters said they weren't even aware that plane was landing at the airport. They had to see the plane on fire to know it was even happening and then they could dispatch. The way they actually fought the fire is terrible to watch. I'm not sure if they had responded faster more people would've survived though. The fire and smoke was so quick the people in the back were unable to unbuckle their seatbelts before they got hit. By 2:16 the fuselage is burned through, so everyone in the back of the plane is probably already dead.

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Chrisixx@reddit

I have little knowledge on this, but shouldn't the firefighters be ready at the run way for an emergency landing like this?

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MartyBadger@reddit

The weird thing to me is that this was an emergency landing after a lightning strike causing electrical malfunctions. You'd think EMS would have already moved out just in case? I know this is Russia but AFAIK it's standard procedure in most of the western world to not take any chances with this sort of stuff

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rafapova@reddit

Exactly. The firefighters on the ground were never notified of anything and literally had to see the burning plane before they responded. It’s easy to point blame in one area but these situations are complicated

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MartyBadger@reddit

Oh yeah could be any number of reasons the message didn't get across. Not that it would have made a world of difference considering the speed of the fire and the amount of fuel present but who knows, for some it might have.

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Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit

well they're russian and their pilots are manly enough to intimidate the problems with the plane into going away

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latrans8@reddit

I saw a number of people that seemed reluctant to jump and were actively being coaxed down by firefighters. Baffling.

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akambe@reddit

The number of passengers leaving with baggage was infuriating.

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FarewellAndroid@reddit

At the 3:00 mark someone sticks their head out of the cockpit, the smoke that comes out is unbelievably thick. Can’t imagine what it’s like in there, pitch black. Can’t even see your hands in front of you…

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Hot_Net_4845@reddit

It happened at Sheremetyevo International Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_1492

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RestaurantFamous2399@reddit

I was wondering how many in the back died. The fuselage was consumed so fast by the fire. I wonder how many didn't get out because they were trying to get their bags or were held up by others trying to get their bags.

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anothertrad@reddit

The ones who were able to move to the front survived. I imagine some passengers who stayed on their seats as advised and died for it.

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sassergaf@reddit

The person recording the bouncing and the wing on fire stayed in the seat longer than I was hoping. I hope they made it out.

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drumjojo29@reddit

> According to TASS, citing a law enforcement source, the majority of passengers in the tail end of the aircraft had practically no chance of rescue; many of them did not have time to unfasten their seat belts. He added that those passengers from the tail section of the aircraft who managed to escape had moved to the front of the aircraft before it stopped, and that he had no confirmation that retrieval of luggage had slowed the evacuation.[32] Speculation that the observed retrieval of luggage caused an evacuation delay was rejected by one anonymous witness. Considering how fast the fire spread, that doesn’t seem implausible. The smoke can knock out and kill in seconds.

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ViciousNakedMoleRat@reddit

>Considering how fast the fire spread, that doesn’t seem implausible. The smoke can knock out and kill in seconds. The plane came to a halt at 1:12. The last person who evacuated without signs of severe smoke inhalation exited at 2:01. That's 49 seconds to empty a full plane from two emergency exits at the front. That's just not happening. There's a group of three that managed to evacuate at 2:29, but they look absolutely miserable. And then you have three people from the cockpit. The first evacuated through the door at 3:07 (he seems to have opened the cockpit door at 2:55, which let smoke into the cockpit) the second one through the window at 3:40 and the third one remained standing in or next to the door until 6:46. It seems like several people attempted to get the last one to exit. I'm assuming that's the PF, who was more or less trying to go down with the ship.

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Chapman1949@reddit

"That's 49 seconds to empty a full plane from two emergency exits at the front" Wouldn't that be 49 MINUTES they took, or the better part of an hour?

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biggsteve81@reddit

Those are the timestamps on the video in minutes and seconds, not hours and minutes.

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Chapman1949@reddit

Thanks - I get it now!

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donald_314@reddit

Still, the video clearly shows larger gaps before people with bags come out.

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lmFairlyLocal@reddit

I hate that so much, because it seems so obvious. Pop! Pop! Pop! ....... Pop! *(Checks hand, has bag)*, pop! Pop! Pop! Pop!..... Pop! (Bag), pop! Pop!...... Pop! (Bag), pop! Pop!

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Fluffy_Juice7864@reddit

They need a lock that is operated by a big button in the cockpit. The overhead lockers must be unlocked by someone in the cockpit pushing the big button.

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lmFairlyLocal@reddit

Honestly, based. With a quick release in the cabin in case of electrical failure (so your bags not held hostage by an airport outage, for example), only accessible by staff. Or the opposite, an instalock button pushed as part of an emergency procedure. Seems safer than another battery explosion being locked behind a door.

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Nok1a_@reddit

I was hoping was a cut on the video and they did not showed up most of the people exiting and they showed up the last ones from the tail section. But not even if you fill up the plane with people to do the drill will evacuate in 49 secs. one of my biggest feast is that getting killed by fire the pain must be awful

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EmbattledRanger@reddit

You are going to be unconscious from the smoke inhalation long before that.

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DC_Coach@reddit

Yep. And as thick as that smoke was... ye gods, ignited airplane fuel is nasty.

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CoastRegular@reddit

Along with ignited plastic products.

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trib_@reddit

And aluminum, it burns at a pretty low temperature and burns hot. The British Navy learned this the hard way as well, but there is little choice in aircraft hulls of course. Doubt carbon fiber hull would be any better too.

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

The report found that fire penetrated plastic windows fast enough that most people died from fire, not smoke inhallation.

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Dave-4544@reddit

Unconsciousness from severe smoke inhalation typically takes 2-4 minutes, breathing in superheated gas/flames causes the lungs to fill with fluids, causing the victim to basically drown. The tail of the aircraft was fully engulfed, with visible fire pouring out from inside the cabin windows up to the wings, within roughly 60 seconds of coming to a standstill. One can only hope it was still a quick affair for those unfortunate souls. :(

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froebull@reddit

I hope they were passed out. It would have been a blessing.

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TobiasVdb@reddit

Is it common for the pilots to stay in the cockpit until last? Is it procedure?

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naacardan2004@reddit

Usually one goes back to help with evac while the other stays behind to shut everything down (especially the engines that were still helping fuel the flames)

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TobiasVdb@reddit

Considering the right engine kept going for quite a while, I assume the shut down wasn't working? Or is it a long spindown which gave this impression?

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Tripleberst@reddit

> Speculation that the observed retrieval of luggage caused an evacuation delay was rejected by one anonymous witness. definitely a passenger that grabbed their bag

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Aratoop@reddit

Several survivors on social media said that

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bug_eyed_earl@reddit

I remember the last thread on runway collision where everyone was guilt tripping passengers unbuckling before the (now dead) pilot had turned off the seatbelt sign.

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chill677@reddit

The right side engine seems to be still running after stopping which would accelerate fire effect

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

Both endines were running for over a minute. Considering that shutting them down requires toggling 2 switches....

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headphase@reddit

Normally, yeah. Its been a while since I read the report but it's also possible that the engine controls were damaged or unresponsive due to the crash

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lmFairlyLocal@reddit

Literally a gigantic flamethrower 😱

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

The windows were plastic. They shrunk from heat and fell out of frames in seconds. While Boeing and others also use acrylics those are state of the art and lasted 1.5-4 minutes in tests. And baggage under the floor was extracted unscathed after, meaning the structure should've held on long enough for people to evacuate. Pilots also didn't shut down engines for well over 1 minute, turning them into giant blowers that stoked the fire

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bythebeardofchabal@reddit

Guessing that one anonymous witness was shuffling their handheld luggage out of the way at the time they were being interviewed

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ThirstyWolfSpider@reddit

"Put that bag DOWN NOW, or I will testify against you in your trial!" is the line that popped into my head for that circumstance. Appealing to others' lives won't work against the people doing it; you need them to realize their future life might suck more than losing that bag. That said, it almost certainly wouldn't work.

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KennyGaming@reddit

Why can we not have one discussion without bringing this up

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Bergwookie@reddit

It's important, how fast are you getting people out before either the structure collapses or they die off smoke poisoning/asphyxiation. That's something, where every second is worth lives, if they can manage to make the interior just a little bit less flammable, you'll get 5 people more out before it's too late. Or look at the video, fire brigade is there after 2-3 minutes, which is extremely good, but at that point, the arse of the plane is already gone, those are factors you get to the limit pretty fast, you can't bring down alarm times that much anymore, maybe 10-15s, but in combination with an increased fire resistance of the plane, you can safe lives. And that's the point, why it matters in the discussion, safety regulations are written in blood.

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cococupcakeo@reddit

It matters. I tell my family if we’re ever god forbid in such a situation our bags aren’t ever worth someone’s life, leave them behind ( we fly often). We keep our passports on our person when flying in case as well.

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

I also keep my passport and wallet on me. It fits in jeans pocket dammit. Plus, no one can steal it from there in an airport.

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Amgadoz@reddit

fuck the passports. It's just a piece of paper and now we have fingerprints so it's easy to identify and verify people

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callsignmario@reddit

To your point about response times... I wonder how costly or practical it would be to setup an ARFF system with underground pipes and dispensers/nozzles spaced along the runway? Perhaps that could be activated in sections along the runway as to not waste foam at areas it's not needed and to conserve pressure and material for where it's necessary.

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Bergwookie@reddit

So like a sprinkler system or irrigation system on anabolics? This might work but would be a waste of resources, as you'd only wet down the outside of the plane, efficient fire fighting in planes uses a lance that stabs the plane and applies extinguishing solution (foamy water) right inside the tube.

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callsignmario@reddit

Yeah, I was thinking g something directional, possibly controlled from airfield fire and rescue as a relatively immediate response while trucks roll.

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Bergwookie@reddit

Usually the airport knows beforehand when a plane comes in with difficulties, so they're on alert right next to the runway, when there's something wrong with the landing gear or the like, they're laying a preventive foam carpet, so it would be a 1:1000000 situation where you'd need this, the real difficulties are clearing a pathway for the rescue vehicles through the traffic on the airport, it's not like on the the road, where your siren and lights are enough.

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Royal_Dream6367@reddit

I came here to say this and only this .. arse lol Thank you.

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mjdau@reddit

Because it fucking matters.

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KennyGaming@reddit

Chill

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Dominus_Anulorum@reddit

*Someone posts an aircraft disaster video on reddit. "Why are we talking about people dying? Let's talk about the cool airplane flames instead." What other talking points are you wanting people to cover on this post?

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gogybo@reddit

There is no evidence that passengers stopping to collect hand luggage caused any deaths in this case.

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thegoatisoldngnarly@reddit

Shut up.

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gogybo@reddit

It matters in some cases, but not in this one. This relentless focus on hand luggage obscures the real causes.

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Ambiorix33@reddit

found the idiot blocking the isle during an evacuation to get his stupid bag...

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KennyGaming@reddit

You good?

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Ambiorix33@reddit

very

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Ok-Alternative-3403@reddit

What is there to really discuss besides that? The one potential lesson people can take to heart is don't worry about your luggage in an emergency. Outside of that it's just rehashing the same things.

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benicio6@reddit

41 died of 78

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G25777K@reddit

And yet the Capt is complaining about his sentence. He should of got 60 years.

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Whiskey-Sippin-Pyro@reddit

What was the captain charged with?

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Miserable_Algae_9552@reddit

What the fuck the captain got sentenced for an accident??????????? WHAT THE FUCK WHY DO YOU WANT TO PUNISH SOMEONE FOR SUCH A TRAUAMITC EVENT THAT HE FUCKED UP? Holy shit you human being are such pieces of shit. NOTHING WILL BRING BACK DEAD PEOPLE FOR CYRING OUT LOUD

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GrafZeppelin127@reddit

Yeesh. Worse than the *Hindenburg,* despite carrying fewer people and taking a lot longer to burn.

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I_Am_Zampano@reddit

BuT mY mEdIcInE

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Poopy_sPaSmS@reddit

Wow, that is just so sad. Such a sad way to go.

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redlightbandit7@reddit

Per Wikipedia Forty passengers and the flight attendant (21-year-old Maksim Moiseev) seated in the rear of the aircraft were killed. Forty of the fatalities were Russian and one a US citizen, and twenty-six resided in Murmansk Oblast, including a 12-year-old girl.[11][12] One crew member and two passengers sustained serious injuries, and three crew members and four passengers minor injuries. The remaining 27 passengers were unharmed

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RestaurantFamous2399@reddit

I also read the article that I replied to!

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redlightbandit7@reddit

So why the “ I was wondering how many died in the back. It made it sound like you didn’t read the article l

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RestaurantFamous2399@reddit

Or you misread the statement

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Holiday-Interview-83@reddit

I remember seeing a video of passengers walking away with their bags on the tarmac

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Sir_Sir_ExcuseMe_Sir@reddit

"During landing, sidestick inputs were "of an abrupt and intermittent character", including wide-amplitude, sweeping pitch movements not observed during approaches in normal flight law, but similar to other Aeroflot pilots' direct flight law approaches"

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

Russian pilots generally suck. Their military pilots also suck, with exception of a small core with actual combat experience. My father worked in Aeroflot in maintenance in 80s. Oh, the stories he told…

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Square-Suit-7553@reddit

It happened on May 5th 2019.

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yeswenarcan@reddit

Granted the Wikipedia article is a limited version of the actual events, but to me it really reads like the pilots panicked and just wanted to get the plane on the ground. From the decision to land overweight with limited flight controls to ignoring windshear alerts, it's a good example of how you may not be able to fix the problem but you can definitely make a bad situation worse.

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jangwao@reddit

Wondering if all fire engines would be on spot in the first two minutes and ATC would raise alarm right away if the ratio of saved folks would increase. Also ground speed was +28kph above required which could change outcomes. Nonetheless flight in direct mode is untrained for pilots would be the main culprit here

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MandalorianBeskar@reddit

The fire engulfed the rear of the aircraft, killing 41 of the 78 occupants. *uck, RIP.

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lonesailorboy@reddit

This is why I dont fly. The fact that this could happen is reason enough, but the fact that I could die cause because some people are fing worried about their luggage is the absolute MAIN reason.

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kissmedolly@reddit

Do you drive a car?

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lonesailorboy@reddit

Yeap and still kicking, unfortunately they are not which was 100 percent NOT their fault!

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

If they drive modern car in country that has safe road culture it is safer than flying. Car deaths in this statistic are always global, compared to global flight deaths. Yes, it is better that way. But for example as person living in Nordics, driving with modern car it is riskier for me to take a plane.

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kissmedolly@reddit

I’ve just checked with the ChatGPT, and it tells me that there were an average of 97 deaths per year on the roads in Norway for the last 5 years. At the same time, ChatGPT tells that the whole EU has an average of 144 registered aviation fatalities per year, including aircraft with an EU registration. I believe that even in Nordic, it is still safer to book a flight than driving from one city to another.

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wivella@reddit

You're comparing a single country to the entire European Union and counting it as a win. In 2023, 20 380 people died in road traffic accidents in the EU, compared to 121 deaths in aviation accidents (including helicopters and balloons). How's that for a comparison?

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

No I am not. Look at the /journey statistics. Even in UK cars beat planes in that.

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wivella@reddit

And yet, in real life, way more people die in car accidents than they do in plane accidents. The average person is so much more likely to go through a car crash than a plane crash, just because of how many more car trips they take over the course of their lifetime. Besides, I'm pretty sure that commercial aviation would still look great, even in terms of deaths per journey (hypothetically, because in no one publishes this data like that - one paper from 2015 doesn't count). It's the smaller aircraft that cause the most deaths.

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ARottenPear@reddit

> In which cars in Nordics easily beat planes. Can you give me a source for that aside from you stating it's true. Everything I can find shows that flying is safer by distance, trip, and time. I can't find anything that suggests driving in Nordic countries **easily** beats flying or even beats it at all.

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Federal_Cobbler6647@reddit

I do not have good clear calculations to post here, but here is good research about topic. There is 40 deaths on car / billion journeys and 117 on air / billion journeys. It also gives good example how deaths/traveled distance is poor way to compare travel methods. Because when comparing like that Space Shuttle is safer than walking. Even though it managed to cause 14 deaths on just 135 flights. [https://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol\_5\_No\_7\_1\_July\_2015/15.pdf](https://www.ijhssnet.com/journals/Vol_5_No_7_1_July_2015/15.pdf) Considering this was calculated with scale of world, and when comparing nordic driving to world level, you can see that there is difference.

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jamvanderloeff@reddit

If you consider just airliners the aviation fatalities becomes almost zero too, the vast majority of those 144 are smaller aircraft. Last time Norway had an airliner crash with fatalities (4) was back in 2006.

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AdAdditional7741@reddit

Damn. RIP not many survivors. Less than half

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sw1ss_dude@reddit

Fire dept was a bit too slow wasn't it

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Hindead@reddit

According to the write up they were unaware an aircraft that declared PAN-PAN was returning to the field. As in, no one told them.

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asreagy@reddit

That response was an absolute fucking disgrace. Not saying it's the firefighter's fault, but first truck took three full minutes to get there from the point in which the plane shows in the video, so probably closer to five from when the plane was bouncing like a fucking basketball on the runway. Not only that, but the first one that arrived is watering the fucking yard for a full minute, then spraying into the air which makes no fucking sense. The seat of the fire are the wings and engines, the fire is engulfing the plane from back to front, literally any other way to point the water stream is a better choice.

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Admiral_Cloudberg@reddit

The first truck arrived in only one minute and 5 seconds, not three minutes.

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IdleCommentator@reddit

People downvoting you for providing accurate information is pretty wild

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GrafZeppelin127@reddit

Thank you! I felt like screaming at the screen the whole time watching this! “Where the hell are the fire engines?!” “Why are there *still* no fire engines!?” “God, finally!” “Wait, wait, wait—WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?! THE FIRE’S OVER THERE!” “For heaven’s sake, you’re supposed to be fighting the damned fire, not giving the airplane a salute!”

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jjwhitaker@reddit

Reminder that US ATC are currently unpaid and being fed by airlines to make ends meet and stay working. People will die. But the suffering is the point.

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That-Makes-Sense@reddit

Russia is a clusterf#ck.

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

Training and communication are for weaklings. (common sentiment in Russian culture)

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Hrabovcan@reddit

Well it seems they adhered to the ICAO regulation.

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KosmatoKljuse@reddit

It don’t think it matters even if they were on the spot.

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StopDropAndRollTide@reddit

An excellent analysis from Kira (Admiral Cloudberg) here - [https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/trial-by-fire-the-crash-of-aeroflot-flight-1492-ee61cebcf6ec](https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/trial-by-fire-the-crash-of-aeroflot-flight-1492-ee61cebcf6ec) Thank you [u/SoaDMTGguy](https://www.reddit.com/user/SoaDMTGguy)

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HortenWho229@reddit

Tbh this feels like it’s written more for entertainment than for information.

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Quirky_Inflation@reddit

Yeah some of its reports are more "what it wished things to be" instead of what things really were

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Desert_faux@reddit

I always thought they tried to dump as much fuel as they could when coming in for a crash landing. Less fuel = less fire to burn.

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KickFacemouth@reddit

Admiral Cloudberg is a treasure.

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Novacc_Djocovid@reddit

That part with that static camera, the plane engulfed in fire in the distance and the luggage cart just rolls through the frame like a tumbleweed in a bad movie. Nothing‘s happening, no emergency vehicles, no reaction at all while everything burns…man.

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IdaCraddock69@reddit

The look from the inside where you see the long trail of fire left behind the burning plane … it’s all so sad and infuriating

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Neo_The_Fat_Cat@reddit

There’s a good write up of this one here: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/trial-by-fire-the-crash-of-aeroflot-flight-1492-ee61cebcf6ec Some of that firefighting is woeful - you should always direct your water at the seat of the fire (unless trying to protect people, in which case a direct jet isn’t much use). Sure, I’m not an aviation firefighter but can do pretty much everything else apart from multi-storey structures.

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Atomicmooseofcheese@reddit

that is very good thank you for sharing. Its easy to immediately start forming an opinion based on the video but the article shows this was a complex and dangerous situation well before wheels hit tarmac.

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Neo_The_Fat_Cat@reddit

Read all of Admiral Cloudberg’s stuff. She’s recently moved to posting less frequently but with much deeper dives.

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dominantjean55@reddit

the Admiral is a SHE? COOL!

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Neo_The_Fat_Cat@reddit

She has a YouTube and podcast channel with a couple of others as well if you’re really into this stuff.

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biggsteve81@reddit

She also is a primary script writer for Mentour Pilot.

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Neo_The_Fat_Cat@reddit

I heard that somewhere else and then forgot to start watch the videos. Thanks!

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GalDebored@reddit

When people write about plane crashes they typically lean heavily into the technical aspects of what caused it or conversely, forgo anything having to do with the nuts & bolts & focus on the human interest component. [Admiral Cloudberg]( https://www.reddit.com/r/AdmiralCloudberg/hot/) manages to accomplish both by writing detailed accounts of these incidents in a respectful, sympathetic manner that never minimizes or glosses over the lives of the people involved. Highly, highly recommended!

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ludicrous_socks@reddit

>One of the flight crew uttered an interjection best translated as “wow” or “oh man.” Блять Blyat Of course.

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Admiral_Cloudberg@reddit

Author here, it was not Блать, it was ух ты.

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ludicrous_socks@reddit

Thanks Admiral! Love your work as always. There's a 3rd party note on your article claiming it was Блять, obviously erroneous, my apologies!

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Admiral_Cloudberg@reddit

Yeah I had to reply correcting that person too

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Neo_The_Fat_Cat@reddit

Yes they would have been. But technically it’s a mixture of water and aqueous foam, with the forma being only about up to 6% of the concentration (varies depending on equipment and usage). When you use compressed air systems, you can get a lovely thick foam like shaving cream but the concentration of foam is still low - it’s just better mixed in. But that’s not always good for these situations where you actually want volume of water - the foam breaks down the surface tension of the water is and used as a “wetting agent”.

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Gumbode345@reddit

What an outstanding write-up.

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Neo_The_Fat_Cat@reddit

I find all of her articles are like that. Detailed, but humble as well - she acknowledges where she just doesn’t know something.

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metal_fever@reddit

Thank you for posting the article, it made me understand so much more about what I just saw happening.

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Red_Pretense_1989@reddit

Shouldn't they be using AFFF/foam instead of water?

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rafapova@reddit

It’s funny that you linked her article and then just decided to direct blame at one spot. That is the complete opposite of what she does as she has respect and consideration for how complicated these events are. Good job not pointing out that they were never notified of a potential emergency until literally seeing the plane on fire sliding down the runway

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Neo_The_Fat_Cat@reddit

No. I linked to her article for a deeper dive. My comment about the firefighting is based on my experience (albeit no aviation firefighting). Although they appeared in the same comment, my intention wasn’t to suggest they were linked. Once that fire got going, it wouldn’t have made a marginal difference.

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CrappyTan69@reddit

Was that written by chatgpt? "slide across the runway like a wounded dog". They're padding...

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BeenRoundHereTooLong@reddit

Can people write with any level of creative flair now, or god forbid, maybe even a little use of some punctuation without being subject to a ChatGPT accusation?

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-smartcasual-@reddit

I used to use emdashes all the time while writing - they're useful for parenthesising while maintaining flow - but now I can't. Thanks chatgpt :/

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rawboudin@reddit

I mean that sentence was pretty god awful so I am kind of confused if it could or could not have been written by Chatgpt.

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BeenRoundHereTooLong@reddit

Your hyphen is ok :3

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Soronya@reddit

I've been reading her stuff for years. That's how she writes.

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DDS-PBS@reddit

Dang. Looks like they ran out of water/solution too.

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Makkaroni_100@reddit

Didn't most of them focus on the seat of the fire?

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Neo_The_Fat_Cat@reddit

Yes but there’s some spray point up. That can happen when holding a high pressure hose by hand, but these were from monitors. You really need a massive constant volume. We see recruits do this all the time, they act like they’re watering the yard!

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Slight-Pilot68@reddit

Good conversation about this incident but that title is tacky and disrespectful AF and feels intentionally misleading

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tardiskey1021@reddit

Jesus it looks so hard to put those fires out

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frogingly_similar@reddit

That landing was more than hard landing, it just bounced right back up in the air multiple times when trying to touch down.

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Pixel91@reddit

They had a lightning strike, and the pilots had trouble properly controlling the thing in DIRECT flight control mode. Overweight, overspeed, aggressive inputs. And communication errors.

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Spartan117ZM@reddit

The fact they managed to get it landed at all and not just pancake into the ground is honestly impressive though.

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Brandibober@reddit

Pilots MUST land plane with no help of automatics. This is their main purpose. In this case aircraft commander sentenced to 6 yers in prison.

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tarrasque@reddit

Not just prison. *Russian labor camp*.

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Dalnore@reddit

A "prison" in Russia is the strictest penitentiary facility reserved for the heaviest of crimes. He was sentenced to 6 years in a "colony-settlement", the mildest existing type reserved for mild crimes. In it, you often work outside the colony, can walk freely around the entire colony territory during the, and there are almost no guards. And three can be as many visits by your family as they want, you can wear regular clothes, use money and personal belongings (except a phone). In some cases, you're allowed to leave the colony, walk around the city and live with your family in a rented apartment.

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tarrasque@reddit

Interesting, thank you!!

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Brandibober@reddit

What do you want to say? In Russia it is most pleasant type of imprisonment. You even can leave if you need it for work without guard, live with your family, study. Labor camp? Prisoners work in every type of prison — this is idea of punishment.

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

Those 6 years are just typical Russian scapegoating. The real people responsible are those organizing and certifying the training program the pilots went through. But those are too high up to fall.

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Brandibober@reddit

It is fact that plane and system of training has problems. But as I read most part of specialists agree that his actions during landing were totaly wrong for every type of aircraft.

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flightist@reddit

It helps when your manufacturer-provided training and systems manuals include proper descriptions of your flight control systems instead of copy & pasted descriptions of the Airbus system that manufacturer tried and failed to copy.

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CashKeyboard@reddit

At that time there was still a lot of Thales in the thing so it wasn’t just copypasted but pretty much the same thing.

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Spa_5_Fitness_Camp@reddit

Reading up on it, you should belay that compliment. The crash looks to be 100% pilot error. First, they ignored wind shear alerts and go-around alerts, and proceeded to try and land anyway, despite the aircraft being fully controllable and safe to go-around with. Then, while doing this ill-advised landing, they had insufficient skill to manage the plane, and actually sped up while increasing descent rate, causing the *very* hard landing.

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Drunkenaviator@reddit

No, the exact opposite. Every death on board that airplane is on the hands of those shit pilots. They couldn't land an airplane with direct controls. (ie: every other non-airbus airplane in the world, and all airbuses in direct law).

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

Nope. They didn't live up to the name of "pilot". Aircraft was in direct law, meaning it was flying like any aircraft without FBW would. They weren't trained properly with this - and when deficiencies came up during simulator training it didn't ring any bells that should've made them improve their skills. It's a failure on all levels.

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Dexcerides@reddit

Are you sure about that, they’re supposed to be trained to handle this. Reading on the case looks like they messed up in quite a few places, probably shouldn’t be celebrating them.

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flying_wrenches@reddit

Direct law is a scary thing. No protections. No safeties. No assistance. If you tell the plane to full deflect the elevator, it’ll tell you yes before full on ripping them off..

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Spark_Ignition_6@reddit

People fly supersonic jets in combat with "direct law." "Actually flying the airplane" is the most basic thing pilots are trained to do. Not an excuse to crash.

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flying_wrenches@reddit

Pilot error and improper training where the result of the crash. The f-16 is reliant on computers to fly or it will crash. It’s inherently unstable. The plane was struck by lightning and had computer failures. I have no clue of other stuff failed as well which would make Flying the plane even harder.

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Spark_Ignition_6@reddit

> The f-16 is reliant on computers to fly or it will crash. It’s inherently unstable. There are several fighters still operational in major countries that don't have fly by wire or any electronic protections.

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flying_wrenches@reddit

Few and far between. Spare the f-15. That one has computer assistance.

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Spark_Ignition_6@reddit

No, that's false. Vast majority of F-15s in the today do not have computer assistance. Only the F-15 "Advanced Eagle" family which started long past the F-15E (first flew in 2013) has computer assistance, and only a few countries so far operate them so far.

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flying_wrenches@reddit

This is getting wildly off topic dude.

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Spark_Ignition_6@reddit

I'm literally directly responding to your comment. It's ok to just admit you were wrong.

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cptalpdeniz@reddit

and?

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wehooper4@reddit

Soooo just like all the other planes all of us fly? I get the nannies make things safer overall by limiting pilot input error, but if you cant do basic flying without them (other than something inherently unstable like .mil flys) you need some remedial traning.

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flying_wrenches@reddit

It’s more of the airplane helps keep you from extending full flaps at VNE. Or stalling. Or a long long list of things that would damage the plane. This isn’t including the fact that direct law is a final failsafe before the plane becomes a rock (not even a glider like most planes). There’s no telling what else could’ve been going on. Failure of instrumentation and additional flight controls could’ve meant that they had no clue how fast they were going. Or flaps to slow them down even if they knew.

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rkba260@reddit

Bruh... what.

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wehooper4@reddit

I mean, on anything other than an airbus or .mil fancy stuff you have to manually care about those things anyway 🤷🏼‍♂️ The advantage of the airbus system is it prevents pilot error, and that’s a good thing. But those are errors that should not be happening on a regular basis anyway, and if it’s an *emergency* when you don’t have the nannies then that’s a serious skill issue which needs to be addressed.

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flying_wrenches@reddit

That’s the last part of my comment. If they were in direct law, who knows what else had failed. They might not have anything needed to fly. Computerized assistance be darned, you’ll bounce the plane if you don’t know how fast you’re going.

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

That’s the point, nothing else failed. Adapters that talked to engine control computers rebooted. Meaning they lost engine control for a couple seconds. Once they rebooted the plane was fine but in direct control law. They had full air data, all sensors, engines were working etc. They just had no FBW nannies and had to fly manually, which they weren’t properly trained to do.

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Pixel91@reddit

Well it wasn't an airbus, but yes the final report deemed it human error, they could not handle the direct law.

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drkhead@reddit

bad bot

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flying_wrenches@reddit

Id like to see a bot abuse caffeine like I do.

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Brief-Visit-8857@reddit

This is why manual flying skills are important. They should be trained for when the computer can’t assist them

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bedenkentraeger@reddit

But then I would have expected the whole fire department already on the run way. It's visible that they are still in the garage in background - and it took them quite a while to start extinguishing the fire, didn't it?

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macandcheese1771@reddit

I mean it's Russia

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Ivebeenfurthereven@reddit

/r/RussianCircus I wonder how many of the survivors have died on the invasion frontlines since?

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macandcheese1771@reddit

I think they usually try to send countryside peasants out to the grinder.

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Pixel91@reddit

They weren't informed of an aircraft with issues, but yes there were major issues with ARFF, as well. The response was slow regardless of the alerting and the only two vehicles that response within 5 minutes had no foam on board.

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Drunkenaviator@reddit

Absolute garbage pilots. There is no excuse for not being able to control an airplane without the assistance of the automation. This is why airmanship is important.

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Roadgoddess@reddit

When did this happen? And was there a loss of life? I’ve got to assume there was how quickly it went up in flames.

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I_Go_BrRrRrRrRr@reddit

I remember reading that this plane is particularly bad with the whole direct control thing?

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DecentJuggernaut7693@reddit

Was it an Russian owned aircraft? Because of the sanctions they’ve had a hard time getting certain parts replaced as well.

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speculator100k@reddit

This happened in 2019. It was also a Russian-built Sukhoi plane. But yes, I think Aeroflot owns their own planes.

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darkenthedoorway@reddit

Looked like they were way too fast on the descent from the inside view out the window.

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Atomicmooseofcheese@reddit

I think its called porpoising, the bounce up down.

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phaederus@reddit

Aka Pilot Induced Oscillations.

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Brandibober@reddit

In Russia thiz thing calls “goating”. As I remember it was cause both by pilot’s mistakes and plane specific.

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

Correct. It's generally caused by exceedign descent rate. Often after flaring too early.

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metal_fever@reddit

It's pretty insane how fast the back of the aircraft is engulfed in flames. Also that the pilots exited the airplane so late after the rest.

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TheJohn_Doe69@reddit

Pilot's have a procedure to follow when landing and crash landing. The pilots must make sure that thr engines are off, and fuel doesn't continue to flow to the engines

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The_Painted_Man@reddit

The right engine was still running from the look of it and literally fanning the flames and supercharging the burning.

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ImYourHumbleNarrator@reddit

probably wanted to burn instead of go to the gulags

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Thurak0@reddit

Come on. Captain is last to leave, you can give them that.

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ImYourHumbleNarrator@reddit

noble indeed. but i'm standing by the fact they couldn't face the same fate as their passengers instead of

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WholeInstance4632@reddit

I’m sorry you’re getting downvoted. You’re not wrong. According to the Wikipedia article, a criminal investigation was opened and the captain of the airport’s fire brigade was charged and sentenced to 6 years “in a colony.” So the pilots may have indeed paused to consider the possible outcomes.

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brvheart@reddit

It was crazy how long it took for the fire truck to get there. Horrible management.

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Droidy934@reddit

They are coming down the chute with their bags ...wtf

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aLemurCalledSimon@reddit

Amazing that a lot of fucking idiots exited the plane with their belongings, some even with cabin size luggagge while some people at the back are waiting for them and died getting roasted.

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DutchBlob@reddit

I have never punched anyone in my life but I know for sure that if I ever get into a situation like this (and I hope I never will) I will sure as hell punch any idiot who grabs their belongings

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1aranzant@reddit

delaying even more the evacuation...

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DutchBlob@reddit

No, just punch the person forward while they try to grab their bag from the overhead compartment.

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1aranzant@reddit

so they might either fall, blocking the egress path, or fight back causing even more delay. nice

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uTukan@reddit

You are right lol. There's a plane engulfed in flames, and you've got people here thinking the best course of action is starting a fight inside the plane, what?

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SSharp-C@reddit

I mean read the comment again, the guy never punched someone in his life, i.e. has zero experience with fighting so has no idea what he s talking about, or more important when to choose to fight or run.

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uTukan@reddit

I really think you don't need to be an MMA veteran to know that punching someone in a burning airplane isn't the best move.

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SSharp-C@reddit

You would think so, but look at the main comment that started this thread. He would do it.

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ency6171@reddit

You know you can exert just enough force to push a person forward right? Or you know fingers to push while simultaneously hold?

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1aranzant@reddit

How does that have anything to do with « punching » 🥊?

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StuckinSuFu@reddit

I think you are looking into this a bit too much,. Ill just punch them live on camera after we are both safely on the tarmac... would that get your seal of approval?

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1aranzant@reddit

Yes that’s indeed much better. And I’m not the one doing too much thinking, it’s the others that are not doing any.

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pwillia7@reddit

I'd be pushing from the back or throwing people out from the front. This should have been like a static line jump exercise

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terminbee@reddit

Which would just cause even more people to die. Push from the back, they fall, now the entire line is held up because 3 people are trying to squeeze past someone lying on the ground trying to get up.

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pwillia7@reddit

sticks and stones may break my bones but flames will always burn me

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828jpc1@reddit

Gory, gory, what a helluva way to die…

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holl0918@reddit

And he ain't gonna jump no more!

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ProcyonHabilis@reddit

That seems like it would almost certainly make things worse

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Kiongar@reddit

This.

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OkAnalyst2578@reddit

Same. As crazy as it sounds, would let them be trampled to death by people going for emergency exits

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Ok-Style-9734@reddit

I do wonder if a very highly publicised campaign that any passenger that exits aa plane in an emergancy with luggage will be prosecuted would help. Whether anyone would ever actually be convicted would be beside the point or even if it would ever stand up to challenge just make it so widely known that people queueing to board a planes small talk is "did you know if you take a bag down the slide you get 10 years in prison" would reduce it. I doubt it though

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mdodgen@reddit

I love this idea. Though I highly suspect the only thing that might work would be airlines locking the overhead compartments anytime the plane is not at the gate.

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DC_Coach@reddit

> locking the overhead compartments I like this and, atm, I can't really think of any flaws with it. Hidden gotchas with this idea may exist, but they're not obvious to me right now, at least.

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Ok-Style-9734@reddit

Imagine the fucking carnage of a flight attendant having to walk down the aisle unlocking them all after landing while all the mouth breathers have already stood up.

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DC_Coach@reddit

Fair. But if they come up with a way to auto-lock the overheads during an emergency, then they could auto-unlock them, as well? Hell I know nothing, I'm a retired computer programmer. But surely someone can come up with something better than the honor system - that clearly doesn't work.

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Ok-Style-9734@reddit

Yeah no airline customer going to want the weight and complexity of 30+ electrically actuated locks and the problems that arise if the system fails so airbus and boeing won't make it. "But surely someone can come up with something better than the honor system - that clearly doesn't work." It works in the mandatory evacuation testing that's all that matters to the manufacturer and airlines

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Aratoop@reddit

When people panic they do not think clearly or even at all. The concern is that people might stand there trying to open the doors and block the exits even worse

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ProcyonHabilis@reddit

I mean it's a really normal thing for passengers to access their baggage in overhead bins during flight.

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ARottenPear@reddit

Passengers might still *try* to get their bags and waste time fiddling with a locked overheard compartment.

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I_Am_Zampano@reddit

Probably idiots would spent the same amount of time trying to get into the locked overhead as they would just grabbing their bags, that's my theory

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Preindustrialcyborg@reddit

this would be a good idea, but that also means that passengers who habe medical equiptment or medication wouldnt be able to access their belongings. medical equiptment will have to be stowed for takeoff snd landing so they will have to get it at some point, and its an unessecary extra task for the cabin crew.

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mdodgen@reddit

True but if it was locked under 10k feet then it might work...

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pon_d@reddit

Lock overhead compartments when seatbelt signs are lit.

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schwarzkraut@reddit

While I applaud your idea…I want you to imagine a passenger blocking the aisle for **even longer** while they try to break into a locked overhead compartment in a cabin filling with smoke… Someone dumb enough to try to grab personal belongings from an overhead bin in an emergency evacuation is unlikely to comprehend that the overhead bins are locked to prevent the very thing they’re attempting to do. (Think: the countless drivers who drive across medians and other physical barriers meant to prevent them from doing a thing likely to kill others)

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DrewSmithee@reddit

Just remove the overhead bins. Done.

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Ok-Style-9734@reddit

Give the baggage handlers really big sticks and tell them to beat anyone coming out with a bag?

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StuckinSuFu@reddit

If not criminal... seems like a good civil lawsuit for family of the deceased.

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Gastronauticon@reddit

In fairness, fetal alcohol syndrome makes premeditative thought and acting under stress harder. In societies were large portions of the population are affected, this gets more likely to happen and more severe in consequence.

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Familiar_Stomach7861@reddit

Anybody know how many casualties?

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RudySanchez-G@reddit

Are they all jumping off with bags and shit ?

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Aurther_morgan_AM@reddit

Is this all the fire trucks they have!!

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piginapokezzap@reddit

Howany do you want. 5 at least were there and they did the job. Fuel lines were probably compromised as well.

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Aurther_morgan_AM@reddit

It is not me who wants it, but the burning plane who wants it was not enough for the fire crew and their water supply has run out and the plane is still burning quietly

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Jealous_Athlete_2361@reddit

Sergei! ...more right rudder ..blyat

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cuddimonster@reddit

In Russia you do not fly plane, Plane fly you

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wafflepiezz@reddit

Jesus christ… I will always have a fear of planes, no matter how many times I fly.

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Baazs@reddit

People grabbing their stuff are top tier dumbs

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CyberKnight@reddit

And right in front of the Aeroflot hanger too.

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CyberKnight@reddit

If this isn't an advertisement for why you should buy first class tickets rather than getting trapped in the seats you can't even get in and out of, I don't know what is.

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Cake-Over@reddit

Is it the viewing angle or did the slide on the left side of the aircraft deployed into the fire?

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rockelephant@reddit

It didn't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_DT8dDIugQ

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MiserablyEntertained@reddit

It did. You can see people go down it at first, and have to jump off the side at the bottom.

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Tinnylemur@reddit

Someone I'm not seeing anybody talk about is the fact that they DIDNT KILL THE ENGINES. They created a fucking blast furnace that roasted the back of the plane at 1000 degrees. At one point, one of the evacuees walks in front of the engine at the end of the slide and Im pretty sure a purse or coat or something got sucked in (you can see debris launched out to the left) Just an absolute.clusterfuck all around.

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danSF9719@reddit

I was wondering the same thing, why the engine was powered on for so long, reading the wikipedia article it states that engine control was lost after the landing gear totally collapsed after a 5G+ porpoise and penetrated the wings that lead to a fuel leak.

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biggsteve81@reddit

According to the final report, the engine switches were not moved to "off" until about 1.5 minutes after the crash.

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

IT wasn't lost. Pilots just went through normal post landing checklist. Pulling parking brake before shutting engine downa nd such

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Sensitive-Echidna-36@reddit

Yes, the number 2 engine seems to basically incinerate everything behind it with a constant air flow to the fire. I wonder if the FIRE switches on the engines completely failed from not only releasing fire extinguishers, but also just cut the fuel from engines.

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Strong-Campaign1148@reddit

Exactly. Engine literally fanning the flames. Theres so much wrong with this from massive pilot error to pathetic fire response times to shithole passengers grabbing their luggage on evac.

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GayVny932@reddit

And ofc these passengers grabbed their bags before going down the emergency slides 🤦‍♂️

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Fatal_Explorer@reddit

Six years ago, and the hand luggage thing is still a major issue. Carry ons should not exist maybe

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Nighthawk-FPV@reddit

Allow crew to lock the overhead bins in situations like these

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SBR404@reddit

Here's my idea: Jettisonable overhead compartments. Press a button and all the carry-ons are jettisoned out the airplane onto the tarmac. I guarantee you, people will try to get out as fast as they can then.

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Nighthawk-FPV@reddit

Seems incredibly complicated

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-smartcasual-@reddit

They used to think a parachute for a plane was incredibly complicated and here we are

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Nighthawk-FPV@reddit

A parachute system on a commercial airliner is still incredibly infeasible.

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-smartcasual-@reddit

Yep, that's fair. What do you think the upper limit is, these days? I suspect Cirrus would have their hand bitten off if they launched a CJ/Ph300 class jet.

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Spran02@reddit

But very effective lol

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SBR404@reddit

It was meant as a joke but now I the idea has grown on me…

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yeahgoestheusername@reddit

And heavy

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Preindustrialcyborg@reddit

it would probably work, but this would cost way too much money for it to be considered

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SBR404@reddit

Can you put a price on human life?

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Preindustrialcyborg@reddit

stating reality doesnt mean im condining it.

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aquoad@reddit

Brilliant! A simple pyrotechnic charge in the rear of the plane should make it a simple and easy process.

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WaIes@reddit

Or segment the fuselage into smaller cars, have them travel along a rail across the country powered by electricity instead of jetfuel, bypassing the fire hazard entirely.

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SBR404@reddit

I think we should increase safety further by adding a second rail!

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fredandlunchbox@reddit

One step farther: jettison the idiots. If you touch the overhead bin in an emergency, you’re immediately rocketed through the ceiling of the aircraft roughly 30-50’ arc, no parachute, just a wilhelm scream.

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iamthesam2@reddit

hahaha yes please

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SBR404@reddit

I like that, but I feel it would be smarter to jetison everyone, that would probably save the most lives. Maybe the escape parachutes just won't open for the overhead compartment idiots?

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Umutuku@reddit

Ejector cabins.

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Spa_5_Fitness_Camp@reddit

Just have them locked for the whole flight. They always do a walk to check they are closed fully, add a locking step to it. If a passenger needs something from their overhead bag in flight, they can ask for it to be unlocked, then it'll be relocked when they are done. It would also help reduce the number of assholes that put both their bags overhead just to keep their foot well clear.

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banevader102938@reddit

There is only one way to prevent people doing this shit during an emergency.

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Nighthawk-FPV@reddit

Replace airport security with IQ testing stations. It’ll solve more problems.

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Mad_kat4@reddit

I've said this a few times. In an emergency situation by some sort of switch or automated input those things should seal shut. Even if they just locked with the fasten seatbelt switch would do.

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lopolow@reddit

That wouldn’t be good in a battery fire event.

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Nighthawk-FPV@reddit

They’re not always locked

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Preindustrialcyborg@reddit

carry on is important for many reasons. im a photographer and would never trust the assholes at YVR baggage handling to not destroy my gear. i also have medication i need to take. some have medical equipment.

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CharacterLimitHasBee@reddit

So no one should be allowed to bring anything on a plane then to entertain themselves for a 2-20 hour flight then?

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gravitationals@reddit

A personal item is not the same as a checked bag. I take my ipad and laptop in a small backpack I keep on my person, along with my passport and meds.

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BackgroundAd4640@reddit

Interesting because the last 4 planes I have been on all have been cabin bagge allowed only

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01_Pleiades@reddit

And a bunch of dumbass people still insisted on grabbing their up shit. I am confident and stern when I share this: if I saw someone pull that shit they're most likely going to be punched in the mouth and left to burn.

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Puzzleheaded-Try-782@reddit

I’m new to flying and am in my first semester in flight school, was this because they were going to fast on the landing? It’s similar to something they shown us in a safety presentation with that being the issue.

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Vast-Charge-4256@reddit

What was originally wrong with the aircraft?

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

FBW broke down so they had to fly manually, which they didn't know how to do.

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Vast-Charge-4256@reddit

Seriously? Which incident was that?

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Comfortable-Yak-2555@reddit

It was Russian

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exileded@reddit

I remember flying into Sheremetyevo from Chine enroute to Europe the next day. We taxied in right past the burnt out fuselage after we landed and it was grim viewing. And the feeling in the terminal was surreal to say the least... Lot's of staff saw it and then had to front up to work the next day, they were clearly traumatized.

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rhapsodydude@reddit

I flew out of Moscow just minutes before they crashed. Saw the news while still inflight. After landing I caught up with the flight crew, and they told me they heard on radio that somebody was hit by lightning. Very sobering considering that it could’ve just as well been my airplane that’s hit by lightning…(I read the report when it came out and know the lighting isn’t the only factor).

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JohannesMP@reddit

This needs to be marked NSFW. 41 people died here.

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Appeltaartlekker@reddit

Not sure why this isnt safe to watch on work, but yeaj.. title, respect and context needed.

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hahnkleri@reddit

nsfw simply because there’s no nsfl-flair.

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Miserable_Algae_9552@reddit

Ok but how is this NSFL??? There's literally zero gore. Man society is so fragile. I know I sound like a right wing tard but I'm a liberal.

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hahnkleri@reddit

some people don’t like seeing such accidents. nsfl is simply just a tag for something serious. if you have any extra bad day, like your mom died, then you could skip that. just because one is chill as fuck or not sensitive doesn’t mean others are the same.

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quashroom28@reddit

I don’t like watching videos where people die whether you can directly see or not, so I don’t have any NSFW things on my Reddit as a safety net. This should be marked as NSFW.

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ApprehensiveGap4186@reddit

Tbf lil buddy death is a part of life, get used to it

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Miserable_Algae_9552@reddit

Yep I'm sad how Reddit has become this like such sensitive place in the last 10 ears. And I'm not a right wing tard, just to throw that out there.

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GetToTheChoppaahh@reddit

Most people aren’t desensitised to people dying unlike you. Have some respect for normal people by putting nsfw you absolute savage.

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invisiblelemur88@reddit

Dude, please don't escalate like this. It was a reasonable comment.

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GetToTheChoppaahh@reddit

He’s been active on Reddit for 6 years. He knows the term ‘NSFW’ isn’t black and white. Everyone’s knows it’s a “warning, you might not like what’s inside”. Hes just being pedantic for some reason.

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kazoozazooz@reddit

And you are pearl-clutching for some reason. Chill.

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GetToTheChoppaahh@reddit

how dare you accuse me of pearl clutching?!?! /s

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ChartreuseBison@reddit

He was pointing out the inaccuracy of the phrase Not Safe For Work

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Lawsoffire@reddit

NSFW is the general "content warning" tag on Reddit. But usually should be followed up with something in the title like [DEATH] or the like.

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pencilsharper66@reddit (OP)

I stumbled over the video and it had no further information. I didn’t know people died, sorry. I saw it first time today. Thought everyone got out, that’s why the video from inside the plane survived.

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donkeykongfingerpain@reddit

I actually thought the exact same thing. I think the expectation on this sub is to look up information on incidents before posting vids like this, but I can certainly appreciate the error. Thanks for posting anyway, OP. I'd heard about this flight but had no idea there was video of the crash. RIP to those lost.

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JohannesMP@reddit

Fair enough. The video likely survived because they were sitting far enough in front of the wing. The deaths were due to fire and smoke in the back.

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flying_wrenches@reddit

Doing that now

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NichtOhneMeineKamera@reddit

A while ago users suggested implementing an NSF tag on reddit for videos involving death. I was hoping they would, as there are some NSFW things I'd like to see but I'd happily filter out that NSFL-Stuff, but that tag never came.

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NotThatMat@reddit

Holy hell, that’s a heavy porpoising! From the look of the video, that anticlockwise skid made the forward port door much less usable? Looks like people would be sliding down into flames?

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streetlegalb17@reddit

Disgusting post title, given so many people died…

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SmudgeIT@reddit

Proceed to Gate 5

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Ilove_gaming456@reddit

How did the cameraman do? Was he injuried?

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aviatavatar@reddit

I think that pilots' going to have a tough time landing his next gig.

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UniqueBaseball8524@reddit

now im scared flying with this company in some months...

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sofixa11@reddit

lol, flying with Aeroflot, do you have a death wish? You should have life insurance either way. They (and Russian aviation in general) have always had piss poor safety standards and pilots, but things have gotten worse since the sanctions made it harder for them to maintain the planes. (And if anyone thinks I'm exaggerating, search Admiral Cloudberg's blog for Aeroflot and Ural Airlines and S7. Blatant disregard for human life is the norm in Russian aviation (and not only).

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ErmakDimon@reddit

Aeroflot have put a lot of work into improving their safety record since the 90s and it paid off. Russia came out of a severe crisis in the 90s, and it took a while for aviation safety to catch up, but after the 2010s it's pretty much caught up with the global level, minus the whole sanctions thing All of the crashes with USSR's Aeroflot, you have to consider, Aeroflot was basically a common brand for hundreds of different airlines with different management, and the modern Aeroflot is based only on a tiny part of Soviet Aeroflot, the Moscow-Sheremetyevo branch to be exact. The 2019 crash was a combination of poor training, poor airmanship and an unprecedented impact which no aircraft is certified for and should never have happened. But to say flying Aeroflot is inherently unsafe is a gross overstatement. I know several AFL pilots and they're all professionals, seeking to improve themselves and operate as safely as possible under these dire conditions. Formal training is an issue with the Russian mentality as a whole, but it is overcome by individuals who take pride and responsibility in their craft. Regarding S7, it's by far the most progressive and professional airline in Russia that always seeks to do things the right way. They have innovative and rigorous training, I'd trust them any day.

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sofixa11@reddit

>The 2019 crash was a combination of poor training, poor airmanship and an unprecedented impact which no aircraft is certified for and should never have happened How did poor training and poor airmanship happen if the airline has improved so much? Both pilots on that plane had pretty terrible records. Same with the Ural Airlines incident, both pilots were pretty terrible both on paper and in practice when it mattered.

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ErmakDimon@reddit

>Both pilots on the plane had pretty terrible records The captain had a questionable record, that's true, and rumor has it he wasn't upgraded to captain at Transaero because he was not deemed competent enough. The first officer though was an average pilot just out of initial operating experience, nothing questionable about him. The Gazpromavia crash had nothing to do with a lack of spare parts, rather a stupid AOA sensor design and improper maintenance procedure oversight. I'd say Russian aviation is doing pretty well considering they've been cut off from pretty much all official support and yet still manage to perform thousands of safe flights every day for multiple years. Obviously the situation is far from ideal but given the hand they've been dealt they're playing it fairly well.

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sofixa11@reddit

> The Gazpromavia crash had nothing to do with a lack of spare parts, rather a stupid AOA sensor design and improper maintenance procedure oversight But the first link in the chain is the fact that Gazpromavia had to play musical chairs with AOA sensors because of the sanctions making it impossible to get new ones. Which allowed the terrible design to be badly fitted.

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ErmakDimon@reddit

What's stopping the same technician from mixing up and incorrectly installing two brand new AOA sensors?

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sofixa11@reddit

When it's a brand new sensor they're supposed to do the alignment however it was supposed to be done. If they're removing it, it has to be put back the same way. If the plane is different the alignment will be different, so "the same way" doesn't apply.

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UniqueBaseball8524@reddit

i really appreciate this comment sir!

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kissmedolly@reddit

Do you have any links to an article related to S7? Always thought that S7 standards are quite high in the aviation world.

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UniqueBaseball8524@reddit

i dont have a choice sadly

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masteroffdesaster@reddit

why would anyone fly with Aeroflot?

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Dalnore@reddit

If you live in Russia, you often don't get much choice. Although the rest of the options in Russia (except maybe S7) are likely worse. I also don't get this argument from the statistical point of view. Aeroflot had 2 deadly accidents this century (and [the other one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_821) wasn't mainline Aeroflot, making this SSJ one the only one), so there are still a lot more dangerous things in life than flying Aeroflot, like driving on a road in Russia, for example. When I have a choice between Aeroflot and, say, Emirates, safety concerns might be somewhere in my brain and can sway may decision, but a 3x price difference would definitely be a more decisive argument, even in 2025.

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UniqueBaseball8524@reddit

because i need to go to russia for personal reasons

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masteroffdesaster@reddit

that sucks. I hope you get back safely

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UniqueBaseball8524@reddit

appreciate it!

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

My father worked in their maintenance in 80s. Not much has changed since then. Don't fly with them. I cannot find words just how fucked up their internal culture is. Although I think that's just Russian culture, not Aeroflot culture.

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Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit

yeah just straight up don't fly aeroflot or any russian airline. those things are the pinnacle of mismanagement with multiple instances of pilots killing hundreds because they were drunk or because of a dare. you only get on those if you have a goddamned death wish

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McBlemmen@reddit

That is gut wrenching. It goes so fast

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23ACiD@reddit

the left side slide has landed directly into flames, isnt?

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MDlynette@reddit

And yet people take that option. Just a horrible scene

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23ACiD@reddit

Being russian is state of mind

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McBlemmen@reddit

Tell me your opinion on the people who jumped out of the towers on 9/11. I guess they were russian too.

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gummymedusa@reddit

People probably aren’t thinking super critically and thoughtfully when they think they’re going to die, they just want out of the plane.

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PerceptionGreat2439@reddit

Time for a ruling in air travel across the globe. If you exit an airplane using an emergency exit and are seen to be carrying overhead locker luggage, you will face a prison sentence and large fine. It doesn't matter if the plane is on fire or the drinks trolley has run out of ice, you will do jail time and pay a lot of money. Pilot operated central locking for overhead lockers on take off and landing. I don't know anything about fighting aircraft fires but the response seemed uncoordinated and ineffective.

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PigSlam@reddit

What if you had an organ intended for transplant stored in the overhead compartment that was intended to save the life of an orphan, would it be OK to grab that?

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ImJLu@reddit

No, because it wouldn't be usable anyways if you transported it in fucking carry-on luggage lmfao

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PigSlam@reddit

What if it was in one of those coolers that they seem to use, and that cooler was placed in the overhead?

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DanManRT@reddit

The video where innocent people had to die because others in front had to grab their carry ons. Every. Second. Counts. I HATE people who do this with a passion and all should be put on a permanent no fly list if you do this.

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Deliama@reddit

did the guy filming the inside of the plane survive?

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Cheeky_Banana800@reddit

Wow. Remarkable footage, and probably the slowest evacuation I have ever known.

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Trick-Government1669@reddit

Welp… 🥀

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TrkDrvnFool104@reddit

That is nightmare fuel right there! Looks like the starboard engine was still running which I'm sure exacerbated the fire. It was feeding it air like a blast furnace. Thoughts and prayers for the lives lost.

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Bright_Broccoli1844@reddit

Literally nightmare fuel.

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LeDiNiTy@reddit

*"But in the case of Aeroflot 1492, the usual logic didn’t hold. Autopsies determined that while most passengers had breathed in at least some toxic smoke before dying, the cause of death in 40 out of 41 cases was direct thermal assault. Calculations showed that once the windows failed, the temperature at head height in the aft part of the cabin would have very quickly exceeded* ***600˚C****, causing the passengers in this area to burn to death before they had a chance to succumb to the fumes. At least two passengers in row 17 were found still belted into their assigned seats, indicating that they were overcome almost instantly. One of these, the passenger in seat 17E, was found to have died by cardiac arrest, perhaps due to shock; he was the only victim whose cause of death was not listed as “burning.” "* fucking hell

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Preindustrialcyborg@reddit

thats brutal. I cant imagine being the investogators, having to inspect such a thoroughly destroyed body melted into their seat.

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StellarInterloper@reddit

And thus, I am now leaving the sub. I fly so much for the military and family, and I always have bad anxiety. Cant be seeing this shit. Fuck this.

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Preindustrialcyborg@reddit

if planes crashed a third as often as cars do, no one would fly. yet we do it every day.

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pencilsharper66@reddit (OP)

I Like to remind you flying is the safest form of traveling. Every cop has a higher risk when leaving for work in the morning than you. Also remember that everyone sitting behind you in the cabin is a lot more afraid than you. I can’t count the times I hold the hands of my wife next to me and we hoped it will be over soon when turbulences start. That’s when you are sipping your coffee and enjoying the view while we sweat in the back. And still we will board the next plane.

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Vast-Charge-4256@reddit

You should look at safety statistics per voyage, not per passenger mile. When the door closes behind you, your risk of fatality on an aircraft is only two times lower than in a car, and 8 times higher than on a train.

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StellarInterloper@reddit

Not sure man, I get really anxious lol, I hate it. I just grit my teeth, but its so gnarly.

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WhiskeyTigerFoxtrot@reddit

Not to sound indelicate but what are you doing in the military if you have this un-addressed anxiety? How do you think you'd do if forced into a combat environment?

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Immediate-Spite-5905@reddit

youre not russian, as a result your pilots and maintenance and actually much of everything else will be significantly more competent

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SeaDots@reddit

If it makes you feel better, the severity of multiple pilot errors in this case is unlikely to happen with US pilots. This is a much bigger issue in Russia for various reasons.

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InnerBreath2884@reddit

uh...

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Least_Design_7295@reddit

Идиот. / Idiot.

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Substantial_Chain718@reddit

Stupid people still trying to deplane with all their carryon bags. Not worth your life people.

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hellomistershifty@reddit

It's genuinely fucked to post this without saying what the video is

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Quantiad@reddit

Pilot induced oscillation (PIO) by the looks of it.

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

Absolutely. Caused by total lack of training in direct mode (without fbw). According to Aeroflot that minimal trainign was sufficient.

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C402Pilot@reddit

It's still FBW, just not augmented.

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sofixa11@reddit

Yep: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/trial-by-fire-the-crash-of-aeroflot-flight-1492-ee61cebcf6ec

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Tatsoot_1966@reddit

The sanctions start to bite and their older aircraft start to fail.

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confusedPenguinDad@reddit

It was in 2019...

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Tatsoot_1966@reddit

So why is it appearing only now ?

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confusedPenguinDad@reddit

Probably because OP again found it on the internet. Great for everybody waiting for their check-in in the morning and browsing reddit. He guesses its a bigger russian airport? He hasn't seen the video before here, so he thought it could be interesting.

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oojiflip@reddit

Anyone exiting the plane with a bag effectively killed anyone that didn't make it out behind them

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Aratoop@reddit

Not true for this incident

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Mean-Author4359@reddit

How do you know? Every single second counts. Imagine someone got knocked out because they didn't got out 15 seconds earlier?

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peteroh9@reddit

Because they investigate after crashes. It's not so much because grabbing bags isn't a problem, but rather so many people died in their seats that they were dead before people started grabbing their bags.

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naacardan2004@reddit

According to investigators one passenger stopped to get something but it wouldn’t/didn’t affect much. Those passengers were screwed the second the back of the plane ignited, they didn’t even have time to take their seatbelts off. Based off comments in the other post OP made before this one

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CeltHD@reddit

I disagree, a single second can save a life in a situation like this because if you hold your breath to try and get out and you have to inhale one time it will knock you out when the smoke is this thick.

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Aratoop@reddit

People in the back didn't even have time to take their seatbelts off

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RubberDucksInMyTub@reddit

I mean. The investigation said so but what do we really know.

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Katana_DV20@reddit

This needs to be made a criminal offence, it makes the blood boil seeing people do this. So much for survival instinct.

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Odd_Vampire@reddit

"Gotta get my stuff."

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Impossible_Suit_9100@reddit

"maybe you will die, but at least I'll save my iPad and pants"

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tastybiscuitenjoyer@reddit

I find the jokey title of this post in incredibly poor taste when 41 of 78 people lost their lives in this video. Appalling. This is supposed to be a subreddit for aviation enthusiasts, not some meme page to laugh at people dying.

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peteroh9@reddit

It's an insensitive title, but how is it a meme or laughing at anyone?

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NoSTs123@reddit

We have just witnessed the death of 41 people and OP jokingly says "Great for everybody waiting for their check-in in the morning and browsing reddit." Not even proveds info to the accident in the title. Bad Post.

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Yomommachrispy@reddit

No fuel dump and no first responders on the tarmac? What a cluster.

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daygloviking@reddit

Not every type can dump fuel

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advancedjr@reddit

Thank you this was my main question thank you. This is a tragedy.

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jamvanderloeff@reddit

SJ100s (along with most vaguely modern narrow-bodies) can't fuel dump, they're designed to safely land/go-around overweight even if it might need an inspection afterwards.

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Yomommachrispy@reddit

Flawed design imo

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jamvanderloeff@reddit

Having guaranteed safe performance to go around even if you took off at maximum weight is the better design than requiring time to dump in an emergency if you're in a plane with a dump system.

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Yomommachrispy@reddit

Can’t every plane perform a go around? Plus you have any comment on the fire response? It’s still a cluster

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jamvanderloeff@reddit

The fire response was indeed pretty terrible. For planes that have fuel dump systems they're not required to have enough engine performance to safely go around and meet minimum climb standards while still above max landing weight.

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SkitariusOfMars@reddit

Fire brigade head saw the fire and called an emergency. No one communicated the emergency landign to him.

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dabarak@reddit

Well, with this and other problems with Russian aviation, I'll never fly in an aircraft with a Russian crew.

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mwil97@reddit

If you’re found to be carrying luggage out of a plane crash, you need to be facing highest level felony charges and a lifetime flying ban for endangering others on board the plane.

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senegal98@reddit

And get punched in the face too.

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LastAd7339@reddit

could you have written a worse title for this post?

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Prudent_Statement_30@reddit

I was flying from Moscow maybe a week after this happened (different route, different plane). At online check-in you could pick your seat for free, and I saw that eeeeveryone who has done it already picked the seats in the front of the plane, the back was completely vacant.

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RubberDucksInMyTub@reddit

That's kind of typical, though. No?

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Prudent_Statement_30@reddit

I often hear that the safest part of the plane is in the back, has the higher survival rate. And usually people take all the window seats first, then isle, then middle, and not every single seat in the first 12 rows

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BraidRuner@reddit

This is terrifying.The plane continued to burn in spite of all the foam and water.

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Skilodracus@reddit

I don't know anything about flying, but why didn't they dump the fuel before attempting to land?

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ARottenPear@reddit

Most narrowbodies (single aisle airliners) like this Sukhoi Superjet 100 don't have the capability to dump fuel. Most modern narrowbodies also have checklists that pretty much say "landing overweight is fine, just don't absolutely smash it on the runway." Widebodies (dual aisle, long range airliners) usually have the capability to dump fuel because they can carry **way** more fuel. A narrowbody might land 20k lbs overweight after an air return but a widebody - without the ability to dump fuel - would have to land 200k lbs overweight.

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Skilodracus@reddit

Thanks!

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Metrostation984@reddit

What was the issue during landing, that plane hopped like a kangaroo

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Thurak0@reddit

tldr; struck by lightning, and then botching the overweight landing. > At 15:08 UTC, the aircraft was climbing through flight level 89 (around 8,900 feet or 2,700 metres) when it was struck by lightning. The primary radio and autopilot became inoperative and the flight control mode changed to DIRECT – a degraded, more challenging mode of operation. > The aircraft made simultaneous ground contact with all three landing gear legs 900 metres (3,000 ft) beyond the runway threshold at a speed of 158 knots (293 km/h; 182 mph), resulting in a vertical acceleration of 2.55 g. Concurrently with the touchdown, in the span of 0.4 seconds, the sidestick was moved from full aft to full forward. Though the spoilers were armed, automatic spoiler deployment is inhibited in DIRECT mode and they were not extended manually. The aircraft bounced to a height of 6 feet (1.8 m). The captain attempted to apply maximum reverse thrust while he continued to hold the sidestick in the fully forward position. Reverse thrust and reverser door deployment is inhibited in the absence of weight on the aircraft's wheels (i.e. in flight) and the reverser doors only began to open upon the second touchdown. And the third touchdown was to hard things broke and the fire started. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_1492

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WhichGoesWhere@reddit

Wow scary- That’s literally what the meaning of “I’m coming’s in Hot’

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Possible_Copy_7526@reddit

Hey, it worked, 78MB upload to reddit.

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RotorDynamix@reddit

Fire Dept sure took their sweet time getting there.

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Affectionate_Theory8@reddit

Poor dude in the orange jacket.. trying to climb it just to try save anyone else. Also the first firefighter that climbs with their own ladder, enters and Immediately jumps away from it. It must be a horrible experience to be first responder to such bbq.

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no_man_is_hurting_me@reddit

It seemed like he was trying to encourage people to jump? Like come on people jump. It's an easy decision. And if you're in front of me and you hesitate I'm pushing your a$$ out that door.

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Affectionate_Theory8@reddit

I've read the article someone posted here about this.. and it seems the pilot was delaying the extraction. It was an absolute mess, people on fire on the back, and some people on front taking their material things before jumping out.. in such a compacted space with smoke thats really horrible. Plus, the fire service of the airport wasnt ready cus the pilot misslead tower into thinking it would not be needed.

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eferalgan@reddit

41 people dead

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darkenthedoorway@reddit

Are the engines still running? wtf~!

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2009impala@reddit

This video is old as hell

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ClimateLoud7679@reddit

I don't understand running out of the fire extinguishing solution. or, did they just stop for a reason?

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YogurtclosetSouth991@reddit

That was a long time to be spraying foam. They probably did run out. I used to be an airport firefighter at a small airport. Our truck would be out in 90 seconds.

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TheOneThouShantName@reddit

Ah, so these are the bots farming karma by reuploading old posts.

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metal_fever@reddit

Is this a recently released video garnering so much attention all of a sudden?

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yeeyaho@reddit

Although the accident happened six years ago, the final detailed report was released this March. After reading that report, aviation content creators seem to be making videos and articles about it, which is why the incident is being brought up again.

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Excellent_Sky_9951@reddit

I am indeed waiting for my check in

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pencilsharper66@reddit (OP)

Have a good flight!!

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ddkAh1@reddit

Crazy how fast the fire department was there. The plane stopped at around 8:31 left and the first water was seeable at 7:04...not even 1:30 to the scene. Respect.

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hipsu55@reddit

It was a scheduled emergency landing and the rescue vehicles weren't even in their staging positions near the runway. Firefighting operations were only conducted from one side, and it took several vehicles a long time before the water cannons were even ready for use. It really couldn't have been handled worse.

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ddkAh1@reddit

Oh I didn't know that it was scheduled... Shit then it's really bad...

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Turrbo_Jettz@reddit

The right engine is still running while they jump down the slide. Crazy shit

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Garmberos@reddit

good thing i saw this now and not less than 24h ago when i was in an airplane and we had turbulences when starting

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SuperPrarieDog@reddit

These are always really good reads, I suggest anyone interested checks this out: Trial by Fire: The crash of Aeroflot flight 1492 https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/trial-by-fire-the-crash-of-aeroflot-flight-1492-ee61cebcf6ec

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smax70@reddit

Was the right engine still running? Looks like it's fanning the flames.

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sussudiokim@reddit

Literally at the airport right now watching this. I am amazed that there are not more incidents considering the average rate of incompetence that we humans except as standard

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Soaringbiscuit@reddit

the engine fanning/feeding the fire :-/

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Ok-Limit-9726@reddit

PEOPLE STILL TAKING BAGS WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM!!!

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DazzzASTER@reddit

It should be a criminal offence to evacuate a plane with your bag - 5 years in prison minimum.

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MiserablyEntertained@reddit

Longer if people are killed.

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Positive-Orange-6443@reddit

Jesus fucking christ.

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BackgroundAd4640@reddit

And still people took their fucking bags!

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Pelmeshechka@reddit

Fuck yeah!

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StuckinSuFu@reddit

Terrifying. Even by the time that security camera zooms in, you can see the plane is fully roasted atleast up to where the guy filming from inside was.

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VerticalBird@reddit

In this case, back of the plane is not safest

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Joe-i-Guess@reddit

Hard landing?

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Whirlwind_AK@reddit

That’s as bad as it gets right there!! Hopefully all made it out alive. I noticed the First Officer attempting to exit his window. also noticed the right engine was running for quite some time - maybe that kept flames away from forward exit?

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Kojetono@reddit

>also noticed the right engine was running for quite some time - maybe that kept flames away from forward exit? Nope, quite the opposite. It delivered tons of oxygen to the fire, making it hotter and reducing the chances of survival for people in the back.

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