I had a coworker who was 25 year old single mom who dated a guy simply because she "had a black guy fetish" her words. He ended up leaving her and apparently he is a crackhead now and in and out of jail. Most of all I just feel sorry for her kid
Oh my god shut up. Wah women don't like me, not because I'm an annoying and morbese redditor with bad personal hygiene, but because they'd rather date abusive chads. I could treat her so much better than chad grrr I'm such an alpha male omg I'm wolfing out AWOOO
Back in the day when the terms Chad and Stacy came out on 4chan they were used to refer to handsome jocks and bitchy girls. Nobody says Stacy anymore and Chad became a term that refers to an idealized male; attractive, competet, strong, dependable, etc. or simply a great man. The Chads they spoke of 15 years ago would never be called Chads today.
Don't even have to be Chad. My dad is ugly af, didn't say a single positive word to my mom, beat her, still no divorce even when I said as a kid that I don't gave a fuck about him. By the irony, my first girlfriend was the same. She had abusive boyfriends in the past and had a long relationships with them, but got disgusted when I cried when she was crying. The most impressive thing to me is I still don't hate women, I'm sure there are plenty of sincere and kind girls, I'll probably just never find them.
The most impressive thing to me is I still don't hate women, I'm sure there are plenty of sincere and kind girls, I'll probably just never find them.
Realest and most self aware thing on r/greentext.
There are plenty of kind and awesome people in this world. Unfortunately, they’re not evenly distributed. And even if they were there aren’t enough for every person who wants one and is willing to be kind in return.
Lots of good and hopeful people get stuck in communities that have a cycle of violence and trauma and that turns them jaded. These places, whether they be families or whole communities, have concentrations of malice and despair and many never make it out.
If you want to find kind people you’ll have to search for them far outside your stomping grounds, and even when you find them that just the first step. They may not want you back.
That’s not irony. You have traits from your violent father and violence I a small part of abuse. She dipped because you aren’t like him. You are just enough like him to attract the ones who seek out abusive men. I’m not trying to talk shit. I’m the same way. I hate Freud, but he kind of had a point about we date our parents.
My most insane childhood friend had a father who was about half crippled from polio or something, and he beat the shit out of him
Know how we became friends? I defended him from a bully twice his size when I didn't know who the fuck he was. That guy was a bully magnet all through his teens and got his ass beat all the time at school and at home, which only amplified his messed up mental state.
My most insane girlfriend also was abused by alcoholic parents. There's a pattern here
I think what Anon is trying to convey with that is that his father had the Chadly looks, and is accusing his mother of disregarding everything else about him with.... ... Unfortunate results.
Jock literally just means athlete. Jocks in high school were the varsity athletes. There’s a perception about Jocks being bullies because often they were
Yes, that’s what I meant by perception. Jock just means athlete but there was a perception of jocks especially in 80s movies like revenge of the nerds…
A chad is specifically someone who is popular with women and does things that are considered cool. The perception of jocks is that they are all chads. But not all chads are jocks and in reality not all jocks are chads.
a lot of people use chad / stacy to refer to popular / attractive people (they hate that), they’re not using it as the popularized version where it means it positively
Abusive Jock, abuse Chad. The slang don't matter, his dad was and probably still is an abuser and he pointed that out. Now his mom is an abusive chad-et (lack of the proper slang) abusive cheerleader bc she doesn't want him to be like dad and she mentally fucks him.
Well “Chad” is not always used in a positive way, that was a recent development. It was originally used derisively to refer to muscular “jock” types who are assumed to get a lot of women. Considering this is 4chan and most people here are incels, it’s probably being used here in its original connotation.
I decided not to ruin innocent life by bringing it to this world that i learned to hate. Now I have level headed girlfriend and first time seeing little bit of hope and even maybe could have a child someday. Remains to be seen what future brings. But atleast im not gonna torture that child the same way I was "raised" if we decide to try.
The legalization of abortion correlates with a large drop in crime around 15 years later (when unwanted children would be teenagers) because it turns out forcing people to give birth when they're not ready and defunding any programs to help the children leads to more crime.
Unwanted pregnancies will always happen no matter what so our choices are to let them have abortions or help the children. The right plans to do neither so I'm expecting a sizable bump in crime in the next decade or so.
Doesn't even need to be state funded, just stay out of other people's health care decisions. I'd rather not listen to the screeching of the "deeply held beliefs" crowd if their tax money was going to abortions
What I can't stand is the hypocrisy of claiming you are fighting for the children while only fighting to both force birth on anyone who gets pregnant for any reason and take away every program that helps the children once they're born.
As far as I can tell, their "deeply held beliefs" are just about hurting people, I can't think of anything they would do differently if that was their stated goal.
The phaseout of TEL in gasoline also started in the mid 70s. That also probably contributed to less delinquency in kids born around that time, since we were no longer lead poisoning them (as much) from birth.
I would say that the reduction in lead exposure to children is more significant, considering we 100 years of dental lead testing for violent criminals showing 2-3x lead concentrations in murderers teeth.
Seriously we have reduced the amount of lead exposure by massive levels. The reason the violent crime wave was so rampant in the 1980’s & 1990’s is all the lead exposure 20 years before that when kids were growing up in the 1950’s-1960’s leaded gasoline and lead paint was everywhere. Children breathing lead fumes chewing on lead paint toys.
Ikr, I got yelled at from 10 - 18yrs old for resembling my dad and I was just a child. No reason why I should be anxious to go home just because I share genes with a man that she decided to have 4 children with. And my dad had problems but he even wasnt abusive or anything, it was my mom who started shit most of the time. There was all kinds of gaslighting, manipulation and abuse from her but thats a different story
There was one survey thread asking them what their mothers were like.
It was full of abuse, neglect, trauma, manipulation, sexism, misandry, fear, and humiliation. The results were so horrifying that at the end someone said “no wonder you guys all hate women.”
Never ask a misogynist about the behavior of his mother.
Yeah, solo moms with sons often is a punch down for the sins of other men dynamic. Had a highschool friend whose abusive mother would say all sorts fucked up shit at him in front of all of us like 'i always worry it was you[son]' when there was a school shooting somewhere.
Not only did he not have any access to guns, but he loved being anywhere that kept him away from her. School was a refuge for him.
And on the flipside we had another friend with a solo mom whom was the coolest most chill parent on the planet. So it increases the odds of an abusive upbringing but isnt remotely a given.
and sadly common single mom with a son story. I had a highschool friend whose abusive mother took out all her resentment of men out on him. Would say fucked up shit in front of all of us like 'i always worry it was you[son]' when there was a school shooting somewhere.
Not only did he not have any access to guns, but he loved being anywhere that kept him away from her. School was a refuge for him.
Poor kid. How is he supposed to become a better man than his dad when his mum is treating him like it’s inevitable he will be a violent scumbag too? It’s tragic, she’s clearly deeply traumatised and is not coping at all.
Me, except my dad beat me and she was afraid it would be her turn eventually
Living in motels then trail park from1st to 5th. Ended up getting molested over a period of time. Which started puberty way too early.
I finished puberty before the 6th grade and she immediately hated it was like having him there to her. Went from being a mommas boy because she didn’t beat me to her loathing me. Repressed it all before middle school, spawned in knowing she hated me and I’m an adult bodied child.
Died of cancer in brain lung and liver when I was 22-23. I still remember liking her sometimes. It makes me feel so conflicted since some things like her choosing to put me in dresses frequently enough there were pictures in the photo album definitely got me beat to shit more than if I wasn’t.
You say it like it's 100% on her vut when you live for decade while mentally broken under literal torture your common sense goes through the window and it takes a LOT to make you snap out of it.
It's not like the first date starts with a couple of missing teeth, it's gradual, abusers first take all your agency and then maintain their authority with violence. Victims don't know how to behave, whatever they do may be wrong, but they stay out of fear.
For themselves, the kids, because they're convinces at this stage that they're trash and nobody will ever love them, that they deserve what's coming from them and that's the way the world works. It's a cult of 2.
It's not universal, some snap out of it earlier, but even then it leaves marks that take forever to heal.
So yeah there's a ton of exemples of perpetuating violence but it's better to go "If you're being an ass to your kid because you're being abused, seek help" rather than "Die in a fire".
I learned all of their perspectives and my sisters over time to attempt to get over it.
It really hasn’t helped.
My sister(two years older) went on to be a mother that was so bad she lost custody and was charged with child endangerment. She was cruel to me my whole life so when my half sisters (20+ years on us) finally turned on her because of that it was nice to know they cared about one little boy even if it wasn’t me.
My father well he’s been trying to kill himself since he was 18. After the loss of his first daughter from a city bus driver being a drunk driver he became a 10th level asshole and his beatings (outside of the dress stuff) were attempts to control his family so it wouldn’t happen again. He’s now a hoarder tv show level hoarder. I tried to help and had to pick a shattered mug out of the trash but was allowed to toss 16 Peanut butter jars. He’s now a born again virgin at 71. Since I was 16 he’s believed he could marry a Ukrainian 20 year old and give the nuclear family a 3rd try while he will send pictures where the files have two names non descript naming the image file. Anya or Natasha
My mother. Well she’s tricky. She was a boomer winner. She married a neighborhood boy and was a millionaire after divorcing him. She was mostly a stay at home mom, but a token office wife secretary to her husbands trucking business. She was of the women raise the girls vs my dad’s women raise the kids. So I can cook, clean, sew, bake, embroider, garden. She didn’t want a boy. Whether or not my beatings were linked to me being sick or I was beat so hard I couldn’t walk sometimes is still lost on me. No records at the children’s hospitals I was brought to. When we fled she lost the 2 million she got from her first husband and had to have menial jobs not even getting secretary ones because working for your husband wasn’t a real job. She would warp visitation so every time we saw our father she would interrogate us with this red spiral notebook having us recall every detail of seeing him. A dozen of times warping and rewriting what happened from dad giving us 100 dollars to bet him for mini golf getting us ice cream as consolation to taking 100 dollars from us to buy ice cream. She divorced her first husband because he became fat which she had a role in. Yet if you didn’t finish your large portions “I’m such a terrible mother” which led me to being fat myself. I’m sure she said the same but wife to the husband. Both of my parents hate fat people more than any other race, but in a way where they feel comfortable casually mocking. She was a narcissist. She was 50 when I was 5 and she was as fit as how you imagine an 80 year old. Shed call me all sorts of mental conditions, but like when she really leaned into calling me bipolar well, I never was put on lithium. Never medicated. Never kept even the 5150 hospital mental ward. It was all just attempts to psychologically hurt me because hitting me well it’s like a baby hitting a bear. She never got better. My grandfather used to be a boozer, but I thought highly of him. I hoped she would. Really any of them.
I do what others won’t. It makes me successful at jobs despite my low IQ. I have high AQ because I’ve had no choice and high endurance.
My current job the first year really broke me. I never thought I’d be out in a place where I stress ate until I got fat again. I feel so ashamed at myself. It was really rough. 6 years ago I was fit enough to do pretty well dating even though like my childhood is a dating deterrent. None of the friends who I would go to drinks with or whose birthday or wedding I went to are in my life they all left me. Covid was this way for most people I guess. Idk. I’m pretty reluctant to feel that type of betrayal again. It really surprised me I could feel these types of agony outside of family.
It leaves me very pensive on what I should be doing with my life.
Live it. Been through some rough shit myself and all that saved me is that the knife was too dull. If anything, even if you're not seeing the point in living for yourself or if you feel too stuck, there's still many opportunities to do good, for others.
However deep you're in, there's always opportunities to do good.
I think I’ve gotta attack this problem from a completely different angle.
Being intentionally standoffish at work to me definitely feels like it was a better move.
I’m still helpful, but like nobody knows any of the good that happens to me. They don’t support me having a better life. They don’t help me. I help them, because I think it’s important to be kind.
I’m literally here for 12 hours on Halloween because they won’t do anything for me.
Is it possible for you to move? Lots of problems are geographical. Shit communities, toxic work culture, all that. Can continue in DMs if you want. Need to sleep tho. It's way past bedtime where I am.
okay, but it doesn't say that she abuses him back or somehow hates him or whatever. she just says shit like "dont be like your dad; you look like him". it looks like anon is a crazy fuck who just looks for a reason fo hate his mother
She is singlehandedly raising him and keeping him away from witnessing abuse as a child growing up in a household like that trying to be his mother despite being traumatized. Mothers surviving domestic abuse need help, too, and I would believe that a mother who takes the severely increased risk of death by leaving so she can protect herself and, namely, the child is probably being an, otherwise, good mother. Read what he wrote about her and ask yourself if it's justified. Benefit of the doubt to the mother that the comments are due to the child actually being a horrible shit like his father, which is likely to happen from witnessing violence at a young age and then no-lifing an Internet form filled with incels who want to rape women to get back at them?? Clearly the trauma is still there, but she's probably putting all of the money she earns from work into child-rearing instead of therapy that they both need.
There's like 3 genuinely negative comments in there, like not smiling because he looks like his dad. But if this is how he thinks and talks and sees as justified punishment and justified belief, it's not because of what she's done to him if the worst was that. That does not happen with a few comments, else every kid told to not act like their shitty parent would turn into a clone of the shitty parent. Nevertheless, once again, benefit of the doubt to the mother that this child has been showing behavioral resemblance to the father, and she recognized the patterns instantly because of how trauma rewires the nervous system to lock in on patterns that resemble the abuser's. Raising a child that's slowly growing into being the exact monster who threatened your life continually to the point of being to escape (and him only reinforcing that by spending time with more awful communities online) probably isn't the smoothest experience.
How often do we sympathize with people who call their single mother parents who only raised one child sluts while believing the abuser's actions of beating or raping them = deserved?
when you bring up the connection you plant/reinforce the idea. like, if you tell a super depressed person not to an hero everyday, you might as well be telling them to do it.
Not really? That's some backward logic. The dad seems to be an asshole and she doesn't want her son to be an asshole and making negative comparisons. It's not like healthy or anything but still not trying to make him like his dad
I can agree with it being unintentional, but the original comment was saying she was trying to do it.
I think the mother sees bits of the father and resents every bit of it. I really think she's trying to stomp it out. In addition to that not really being productive, Anon referring to his father as a "Chad" tells me he's got a somewhat idealized version of him in his head. It's weirdly common. Like the mom is there she's fucked up and flawed and he can see it every day. The dad isn't really around so he can hold whatever idea he wants because the only person who contradicts that is someone he already has horrible friction with. Had a former friend who was like this. Like if you hear what he says the guy actually did to his family it's fucking horrible. But he follows it up with "but he was a good father", despite him leaving the family to poverty.
None of the other siblings talk to the guy but he just couldn't let go of the image he wanted.
You get to have one parent live as a myth that the other parent is constantly tearing down and biting at any resemblance. Ultimately I think she wants him to be absolutely nothing like his dad and is making it worse.
letting myself experience emotions and expressing them was a bitter sweet experience for me when I was a teenager(thanks to my then girlfriend and her family). That’s THE thing I am so proud of myself, I did that, without them.
it I felt envy for everyone else and for people like you who had good homes and I think I still do in some way? Everytime I blamed myself for not being good enough but I was a fucking child, the thing is they were not good enough for me
How cruel can you be to have children when you have problems on your own man, like it’s disgusting imo
This just sounds like unhealed generational trauma, my dad would make sure to shit talk my mom at any and all opportunities and tell my sisters how they better not grow up to be "such a bitch like her". My mom did it too sometimes but their reasons behind saying things like that were the complete opposite. He said it because he was a terrible father who couldn't accept that fact, she said because he was extremely abusive to her. Fucked up on both their parts to put that on us kids but one was much more understandable than the other.
I mean, mums seeing their abusive husbands in their male children & treating the child horribly isn't really a new thing, but yeah society isn't ready to discuss something like this.
My mum is a wonderful woman in a lot of ways, but she told me a few times when I was younger that I’m acting like my father (in a negative way).
The last time it happened, I clapped back with, “Well I hope I have better sense than my mother and don’t sleep with someone like him.” Mum started crying, my (step)dad was fucking furious and I was grounded for weeks.
There was a point in my life where I definitely would have said something similar at that age, so it's cathartic to see someone else put their foot down.
I’m ngl if anon is calling the abuser “abuse chad” and going on schizo 4chan rants about how his mother deserved the abuse I fear she may be justified in recognising that same behaviour
You don't get it fam. When you're raised without affection, compassion or guidance you just latch on to whatever / where ever you can get them. Could be equally abusive spouses, alcohol & drugs or, in many lonely & maladjusted man's case in this day and age; weird ideologies.
There is no "abuser gene", a child is what you make of them.
For some reason you only see genetics as the reason for why one kid is bad but the other is good.
You have failed to consider that one big factor is the type of people/friends they hang out with. Genetics are not a good excuse to explain someone's behaviour. That gets into the typical sexist comments of saying "women are too emotional because of their genetics". Let's not do that.
Your claim literally can't be proven because there will always be variables and any test that got rid of those variables would be unethical.
There are certain genetic factors that, when an individual is exposed to certain external stressors, largely determine how that individual handles it and if they would be more predisposed to violence. You can read about it, if you search for it. I fear were I just to link that, I would be misconstrued.
As oop had stated, there is no deterministic gene that would dictate someone is going to be a violent person from birth.
And as you have stated, there are some genetic co-relations where if mistreated or otherwise exposed to certain environmental stressors or pressures one individual with a certain coding would be more likely to respond with violence than another without it.
The Warrior gene is a good place to start.
But, since it’s the internet I do want to make it clear if someones reading this and gets worried they have it or, feel angry for some reason: Having coding like the Warrior gene does not automatically make someone a monster. A man who does have his first reaction to stressors or mistreatment being violence is not what his first reaction is; It is what his actions are. A person who does not act like a monster, is not a monster.
Yeah it's not like I'm talking out of my ass. People have no reading comprehension. I have bipolar and that generally triggers after a pretty traumatic event. Lots of people can develop bipolar who just haven't, because it's like an inactive bomb with a code word.
I guess it comes off as, to a third party just scrolling this thread, pointing out the inaccuracy in claiming there is no genetic factor at all seems useless when the purpose of the comment was just to express a sentiment that monsters are made, not born.
I recognize wanting to point out that when paired with triggers there absolutely is a genetic factor to temperament and how likely violence is to be a solution, but given the context of the comment and thread overall it just comes off like an “Um, akshually” that missed the overall point, and I can see where OOP and other commenters scrolling by got upset.
No problem. I also think I understand where you are coming from. Saying that something is completely nurture when there is a nature component also makes me want to point it out. Outcomes can best be avoided by having a complete picture, and ignoring facts is always a bad idea in the long run.
You can see a lot of people having trouble, and Im not saying people are dogs- we have a lot more self control and presence of mind- but having trouble with their dogs of certain breeds having predispositions to certain patterns of behavior due to the oddly prevalent thought that a dog is entirely nurture, and no nature. You must acknowledge nature so you can approach nurture in the best possible way for any creature. There are certain lessons and coping skills someone should learn if they do feel a pull towards more violent solutions to problems, for example.
But, at the same time- there is a time and a place as well, and If that isn’t paid any mind educational things can come off very wrongly and even insultingly despite someone having no such intentions.
Thanks for humoring me as well, have a good evening bud.
My dad wasn't even abusive, but my mom still has some weird misandry issues when I was growing up as a result of her scumbag father. It was never as overtly cruel and deliberate as the kind of shit you see here, but there was always a vague undertone of resentment for men in general. You know, the whole "men are pigs, but you're not going to be like that..." thing.
I don't think there's much society can do to address the issue. It's generational. All we can do is try to be less fucked up than our parents or don't have kids.
My mom and I were done horribly by my father. He was diagnosed NPD, but I'm pretty sure he's a psychopath from some of the cruelty he took pleasure in. She says she sees a lot of him in me, but thankfully she's never once used it as an insult. She just laughs and says "That's a John face" when I make certain facial expressions or when I word things a certain way, or in how I walk and how I interact with people. I'm lucky to have a wonderful mother who never dumped her trauma onto me - she points out the similarities between me and him, but never uses it to bring me down. I am his son, so of course I'm like him in many ways, but I'm not him - and my mother always tells me that she's glad I missed all of the bad traits.
There is a reason that she loved him. It’s unfortunate he squandered that. But she sees those reasons she had love for him in you and that’s at least a nice thing, I think.
My mom saw her father in me and certainly took that out on me from a young age. I never even really knew the guy that well. I'd only met him a handful of times.
Shes at least partly at fault here. It sounds crazy but women arent children. His mother is an adult. And as an adult letting your child getting abused because you dont like the feeling of beeing lonely is nearly as horrible as beeing the abuser yourself.
that doesn’t negate the fact that his mother could’ve also been horrible to him and bears part of the responsibility if that was the case. nothing excuses child abuse if that is in fact what happened here.
being abused isnt her fault. repeatedly comparing a child to an abuser is. my own mother would tell me im "acting just like my father" anytime we disagreed. i saw him on weekends and the most i knew of him was he was likely horrendously depressed and neglected his family to stay in his room and distract himself with video games
Our only consolation is maybe those aggression genes passed on so we can throw sportsballs far in high school, before all the stacies get preg (then fat) by some other abuse chad-spawn....thus perpetuating the cycle
We have imperfect information, so we can only make imperfect extrapolations.
He said was, not is, the man isn't in his life anymore and probably hasn't been for a long time.
Maybe he left when the anon was a toddler and the mother is just a liar. Given she has ruined anon's mental health it is possible this is all her fantasy.
God this just brought up a bunch of trauma. I had the exact same experience down to the exact same words. Thank god my mum went to therapy after I ran away from home and we managed to reconnect and she apologised.
Embryo / Fetus, don't give the "pro life" nerds the ammo about "muh baby killing". Honestly the fact that some people can't understand the significant difference between an alive baby and an early term Fetus in the womb is incredibly ironic, almost like they're not sentient yet either lmao
ik you're just meming, my spiel isn't directed at you
Agreed. Although this Anon’s mother didn’t put him up for adoption, implying it was jnitiallg her intention to have a child, so he likely would have ended up in this situation anyway.
Tbh he is right, it's her responsibility as a patent to you know allow him to grow up stable, and she fails raisimg him to be... like his father or worse. Deciding to be single mom instead of leaving him for adoption was her choice and it's her responsibility to do it right.
My mother did the same thing, my dad cheated on his wife with her.. so she would make comments here or there, but it was when I was 16+ w my girlfriends she would tell them I was going to treat them bad and leave them / hurt them somehow.. have not talked with her since I moved out at 18. Also upon looking at her Facebook years later, to little surprise she is a Maga now posting all that shit.
This shit actually happens. Traumatic association with a shared child can cause the “good parent” to engage in unintentional psychological abuse as a way to push away recurring thoughts of their abusive partner.
In any domestic turmoil situation, the child always suffers, and often suffers most. Divorce, abuse, death, poverty, anything. The children suffer the most.
Cythmic@reddit
You both need help from a professional
neth_nek@reddit
"abuse Chad" wtf is this generation even
Disastrous-Tank-6197@reddit
Yes, the domestic abuser. The ultimate chad.
Ellenberg19@reddit
The virgin loving and caring father figure vs. The domestic abuse chad
Zermist@reddit
i mean… the loving caring father figure is a complete pussy in the eyes of some women. The abuse chad is sadly way more desirable
wattsup1123@reddit
Most end up as single moms and/or in an extremely toxic environment because of that. The grass is definitely not greener on that side
Zermist@reddit
I had a coworker who was 25 year old single mom who dated a guy simply because she "had a black guy fetish" her words. He ended up leaving her and apparently he is a crackhead now and in and out of jail. Most of all I just feel sorry for her kid
Objective-Panic2315@reddit
Oh my god shut up. Wah women don't like me, not because I'm an annoying and morbese redditor with bad personal hygiene, but because they'd rather date abusive chads. I could treat her so much better than chad grrr I'm such an alpha male omg I'm wolfing out AWOOO
HugoStiglitz007@reddit
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Clarkinator69@reddit
Someone needs to make this meme
ninjallr@reddit
r/virginvschad
wordjedi@reddit
whoever said hookup chads are chosen rationally?
Outrageous_Basis_997@reddit
As in Chad (attractive man) who happens to be a toxic abusive person
Neomataza@reddit
An attractive man is a himbo. A chad is a socially competent man, society's ideal. Being attractive is just one aspect.
Outrageous_Basis_997@reddit
Back in the day when the terms Chad and Stacy came out on 4chan they were used to refer to handsome jocks and bitchy girls. Nobody says Stacy anymore and Chad became a term that refers to an idealized male; attractive, competet, strong, dependable, etc. or simply a great man. The Chads they spoke of 15 years ago would never be called Chads today.
Neomataza@reddit
So you're calling the chad vs virgin meme already a corrupted and changed version?
Outrageous_Basis_997@reddit
Change doesn't need to mean corruption. This is just how language/culture works. Meanings change according to their popular usage.
Neomataza@reddit
But you do consider it an incorrect version, implicitly.
Outrageous_Basis_997@reddit
Not objectively incorrect, but the old meaning feels out of place today.
bon_sequitur@reddit
I think socially competent is an outward facing identifier, while abusive is an inward facing identifier so it makes sense to state both
Fernando_III@reddit
I think the OOP refers to the archetype of a violent but attractive man, to whom the partner tolerates abuse due to this, until it's too much
Big-Commission-7226@reddit
Don't even have to be Chad. My dad is ugly af, didn't say a single positive word to my mom, beat her, still no divorce even when I said as a kid that I don't gave a fuck about him. By the irony, my first girlfriend was the same. She had abusive boyfriends in the past and had a long relationships with them, but got disgusted when I cried when she was crying. The most impressive thing to me is I still don't hate women, I'm sure there are plenty of sincere and kind girls, I'll probably just never find them.
Dark_Knight2000@reddit
Realest and most self aware thing on r/greentext.
There are plenty of kind and awesome people in this world. Unfortunately, they’re not evenly distributed. And even if they were there aren’t enough for every person who wants one and is willing to be kind in return.
Lots of good and hopeful people get stuck in communities that have a cycle of violence and trauma and that turns them jaded. These places, whether they be families or whole communities, have concentrations of malice and despair and many never make it out.
If you want to find kind people you’ll have to search for them far outside your stomping grounds, and even when you find them that just the first step. They may not want you back.
NotHandledWithCare@reddit
That’s not irony. You have traits from your violent father and violence I a small part of abuse. She dipped because you aren’t like him. You are just enough like him to attract the ones who seek out abusive men. I’m not trying to talk shit. I’m the same way. I hate Freud, but he kind of had a point about we date our parents.
Garrais02@reddit
Fortniteisbad@reddit
Unironically she left because she was used to the abuse. Abuse does some real bad things to people.
wordjedi@reddit
My most insane childhood friend had a father who was about half crippled from polio or something, and he beat the shit out of him
Know how we became friends? I defended him from a bully twice his size when I didn't know who the fuck he was. That guy was a bully magnet all through his teens and got his ass beat all the time at school and at home, which only amplified his messed up mental state.
My most insane girlfriend also was abused by alcoholic parents. There's a pattern here
the_marxman@reddit
Truly a shock to hear this coming from a 4chan user.
Herrjeminewtf@reddit
yeah dafuq is wrong with this guy
Big-Commission-7226@reddit
I don't sit on 4chan, don't worry, I just find greentexts funny, at least it used to.
neth_nek@reddit
okay I can see that, I was thinking of something along the lines of Chad because he abuses, instead of a Chad who abuses, hence the confusion
MeatballWasTaken@reddit
I mean part of him is probably subconsciously (or consciously) retroactively justifying his Dad’s abuse because his mom is treating him badly
Kayttajatili@reddit
I think what Anon is trying to convey with that is that his father had the Chadly looks, and is accusing his mother of disregarding everything else about him with.... ... Unfortunate results.
Weary_Specialist_436@reddit
oh please. Before that it was Jock. Words change and language evolves
Electrical-Help5512@reddit
No dude it's the fact that the phrase is glorifying abusers.
Weary_Specialist_436@reddit
and jock before the current meaning used to be positive. So
Electrical-Help5512@reddit
Does it still not mean athletic and kinda full of yourself? How does that compare to glorifying domestic abuse lmao wtf.
Robert_Baratheon__@reddit
Jock literally just means athlete. Jocks in high school were the varsity athletes. There’s a perception about Jocks being bullies because often they were
Electrical-Help5512@reddit
Yeah, I know. SO wtf was that guy talking about then
AlexRamsden@reddit
dude jocks were atractive arseholes in every movie we watched as a generation. Its just how it is now for all of us
Robert_Baratheon__@reddit
Yes, that’s what I meant by perception. Jock just means athlete but there was a perception of jocks especially in 80s movies like revenge of the nerds…
AlexRamsden@reddit
so a chad is the same just amped up
Robert_Baratheon__@reddit
A chad is specifically someone who is popular with women and does things that are considered cool. The perception of jocks is that they are all chads. But not all chads are jocks and in reality not all jocks are chads.
Neffreecss@reddit
a lot of people use chad / stacy to refer to popular / attractive people (they hate that), they’re not using it as the popularized version where it means it positively
AbortionBulld0zer@reddit
Its not glorifying, its ironic archetype description.
AlexRamsden@reddit
thats right, these folk trying to figure out new lingos
Edaimantis@reddit
My brother in Christ if someone said “abuse jock” that would also be fucking insane what are you yapping about
Konig_X79@reddit
Abusive Jock, abuse Chad. The slang don't matter, his dad was and probably still is an abuser and he pointed that out. Now his mom is an abusive chad-et (lack of the proper slang) abusive cheerleader bc she doesn't want him to be like dad and she mentally fucks him.
Poor lil man.
thrownededawayed@reddit
It means anon hates his mom so much that it's wrapped around to idolizing his dad.
DannyBright@reddit
Well “Chad” is not always used in a positive way, that was a recent development. It was originally used derisively to refer to muscular “jock” types who are assumed to get a lot of women. Considering this is 4chan and most people here are incels, it’s probably being used here in its original connotation.
MrInterpreted@reddit
Electrical-Help5512@reddit
I don't have anything witty to say. This is depressing.
munky82@reddit
A lot of serial killers had abusive mothers that had some prejudice against them growing up. Edmund Kemper comes to mind.
Also, getting depressed from a green text is gay.
sloothor@reddit
Being munky82 is also gay
Dark_Knight2000@reddit
At least this one is real or has a good chance to be. There are a lot of abusive parents
sn4xchan@reddit
The sad part is this is actually probably actually true.
Unwanted children statistically become violent criminals. Never treat a child like this.
sloothor@reddit
A lot of people treat parenting like watching over a pet and not as the major formative years which create a grown human being
thr33beggars@reddit
Hell yeah, I beat the odds.
I hope my kid, wherever they are these days, does too.
DeusExPersona@reddit
Beat the odds, then your wife! Win win
medney@reddit
Sounds like an average cops' weekend
-PL-Retard@reddit
Is your childs name odds perchance
TheRealGooner24@reddit
You can't just say perchance!
headedbranch225@reddit
perchance
Potential_Region8008@reddit
You don’t know where they are?
TeaTreeTeach@reddit
Ayyy repeat the cycle my 🥷🏾
Which-Shame@reddit
I decided not to ruin innocent life by bringing it to this world that i learned to hate. Now I have level headed girlfriend and first time seeing little bit of hope and even maybe could have a child someday. Remains to be seen what future brings. But atleast im not gonna torture that child the same way I was "raised" if we decide to try.
posting_drunk_naked@reddit
The legalization of abortion correlates with a large drop in crime around 15 years later (when unwanted children would be teenagers) because it turns out forcing people to give birth when they're not ready and defunding any programs to help the children leads to more crime.
Unwanted pregnancies will always happen no matter what so our choices are to let them have abortions or help the children. The right plans to do neither so I'm expecting a sizable bump in crime in the next decade or so.
LiterallyAPidgeon@reddit
Hahaha, so you're implying that they banned abortions because they want to fill their slave factories with more slaves? Haha, that's so...oh.
sn4xchan@reddit
Everyone knows they did it because of Christian values. That is true whether or not you agree with his statement.
make_reddit_great@reddit
I'm pretty right-wing but I'm all for state-funded abortions for eugenic reasons.
posting_drunk_naked@reddit
Doesn't even need to be state funded, just stay out of other people's health care decisions. I'd rather not listen to the screeching of the "deeply held beliefs" crowd if their tax money was going to abortions
What I can't stand is the hypocrisy of claiming you are fighting for the children while only fighting to both force birth on anyone who gets pregnant for any reason and take away every program that helps the children once they're born.
As far as I can tell, their "deeply held beliefs" are just about hurting people, I can't think of anything they would do differently if that was their stated goal.
vote4boat@reddit
bro you are on Reddit, which means you already culled uourself
lowlymarine@reddit
The phaseout of TEL in gasoline also started in the mid 70s. That also probably contributed to less delinquency in kids born around that time, since we were no longer lead poisoning them (as much) from birth.
Personal-Barber1607@reddit
Correlation = causation
I would say that the reduction in lead exposure to children is more significant, considering we 100 years of dental lead testing for violent criminals showing 2-3x lead concentrations in murderers teeth.
Seriously we have reduced the amount of lead exposure by massive levels. The reason the violent crime wave was so rampant in the 1980’s & 1990’s is all the lead exposure 20 years before that when kids were growing up in the 1950’s-1960’s leaded gasoline and lead paint was everywhere. Children breathing lead fumes chewing on lead paint toys.
helloIm-in-reddit@reddit
Damn you truly gave us something to think about
/s
posting_drunk_naked@reddit
Both can be true and be contributing factors. Lead exposure and desperate/abusive home life are both well proven to create more crime
Also I'm pretty sure you meant to say correlation =/= causation
tfsblatlsbf@reddit
correlation DOES NOT equal causation.
Which-Shame@reddit
Ikr, I got yelled at from 10 - 18yrs old for resembling my dad and I was just a child. No reason why I should be anxious to go home just because I share genes with a man that she decided to have 4 children with. And my dad had problems but he even wasnt abusive or anything, it was my mom who started shit most of the time. There was all kinds of gaslighting, manipulation and abuse from her but thats a different story
plasmabanana_@reddit
absurdly relatable. hang in there brother
UncleSugarShitposter@reddit
I doubt it was going to be that witty to begin with.
FourKrusties@reddit
unironically the funniest thing in this thread
FJkookser00@reddit
It is extremely common, too. In any domestic turmoil situation, the child will suffer the most.
Pseudo_Angel77@reddit
Average 4chan user origin story unfortunately 😔
Dark_Knight2000@reddit
There was one survey thread asking them what their mothers were like.
It was full of abuse, neglect, trauma, manipulation, sexism, misandry, fear, and humiliation. The results were so horrifying that at the end someone said “no wonder you guys all hate women.”
Never ask a misogynist about the behavior of his mother.
Pseudo_Angel77@reddit
Yeah I mean I had a shit mother as well but I don't hate women, I just hate myself 🙏🥹. Bad parents aren't an excuse just an explanation
Adject_Ive@reddit
Not saying you should hate women but hating yourself for the deeds of your abusive mother isn't very healthy and it's gonna turn you into a doormat.
WhoTheHeckKnowsWhy@reddit
Yeah, solo moms with sons often is a punch down for the sins of other men dynamic. Had a highschool friend whose abusive mother would say all sorts fucked up shit at him in front of all of us like 'i always worry it was you[son]' when there was a school shooting somewhere.
Not only did he not have any access to guns, but he loved being anywhere that kept him away from her. School was a refuge for him.
And on the flipside we had another friend with a solo mom whom was the coolest most chill parent on the planet. So it increases the odds of an abusive upbringing but isnt remotely a given.
WhoTheHeckKnowsWhy@reddit
and sadly common single mom with a son story. I had a highschool friend whose abusive mother took out all her resentment of men out on him. Would say fucked up shit in front of all of us like 'i always worry it was you[son]' when there was a school shooting somewhere.
Not only did he not have any access to guns, but he loved being anywhere that kept him away from her. School was a refuge for him.
Iwubwatermelon@reddit
Anon, don't make gay green text like your abuse Chad dad.
Jamgull@reddit
Poor kid. How is he supposed to become a better man than his dad when his mum is treating him like it’s inevitable he will be a violent scumbag too? It’s tragic, she’s clearly deeply traumatised and is not coping at all.
ZachF8119@reddit
Me, except my dad beat me and she was afraid it would be her turn eventually
Living in motels then trail park from1st to 5th. Ended up getting molested over a period of time. Which started puberty way too early.
I finished puberty before the 6th grade and she immediately hated it was like having him there to her. Went from being a mommas boy because she didn’t beat me to her loathing me. Repressed it all before middle school, spawned in knowing she hated me and I’m an adult bodied child.
Died of cancer in brain lung and liver when I was 22-23. I still remember liking her sometimes. It makes me feel so conflicted since some things like her choosing to put me in dresses frequently enough there were pictures in the photo album definitely got me beat to shit more than if I wasn’t.
a_code_mage@reddit
I hope her last moments were absolutely miserable.
Danny-Fr@reddit
You say it like it's 100% on her vut when you live for decade while mentally broken under literal torture your common sense goes through the window and it takes a LOT to make you snap out of it.
It's not like the first date starts with a couple of missing teeth, it's gradual, abusers first take all your agency and then maintain their authority with violence. Victims don't know how to behave, whatever they do may be wrong, but they stay out of fear.
For themselves, the kids, because they're convinces at this stage that they're trash and nobody will ever love them, that they deserve what's coming from them and that's the way the world works. It's a cult of 2.
It's not universal, some snap out of it earlier, but even then it leaves marks that take forever to heal.
So yeah there's a ton of exemples of perpetuating violence but it's better to go "If you're being an ass to your kid because you're being abused, seek help" rather than "Die in a fire".
a_code_mage@reddit
Yeah I still think letting her son get beat because she didn’t want it to be her and making him wear dresses is fucked up no matter what.
Danny-Fr@reddit
My bad. I read too fast and conflated two posts. I do believe in what I wrote but not as the answer to this post.
ZachF8119@reddit
I learned all of their perspectives and my sisters over time to attempt to get over it.
It really hasn’t helped.
My sister(two years older) went on to be a mother that was so bad she lost custody and was charged with child endangerment. She was cruel to me my whole life so when my half sisters (20+ years on us) finally turned on her because of that it was nice to know they cared about one little boy even if it wasn’t me.
My father well he’s been trying to kill himself since he was 18. After the loss of his first daughter from a city bus driver being a drunk driver he became a 10th level asshole and his beatings (outside of the dress stuff) were attempts to control his family so it wouldn’t happen again. He’s now a hoarder tv show level hoarder. I tried to help and had to pick a shattered mug out of the trash but was allowed to toss 16 Peanut butter jars. He’s now a born again virgin at 71. Since I was 16 he’s believed he could marry a Ukrainian 20 year old and give the nuclear family a 3rd try while he will send pictures where the files have two names non descript naming the image file. Anya or Natasha
My mother. Well she’s tricky. She was a boomer winner. She married a neighborhood boy and was a millionaire after divorcing him. She was mostly a stay at home mom, but a token office wife secretary to her husbands trucking business. She was of the women raise the girls vs my dad’s women raise the kids. So I can cook, clean, sew, bake, embroider, garden. She didn’t want a boy. Whether or not my beatings were linked to me being sick or I was beat so hard I couldn’t walk sometimes is still lost on me. No records at the children’s hospitals I was brought to. When we fled she lost the 2 million she got from her first husband and had to have menial jobs not even getting secretary ones because working for your husband wasn’t a real job. She would warp visitation so every time we saw our father she would interrogate us with this red spiral notebook having us recall every detail of seeing him. A dozen of times warping and rewriting what happened from dad giving us 100 dollars to bet him for mini golf getting us ice cream as consolation to taking 100 dollars from us to buy ice cream. She divorced her first husband because he became fat which she had a role in. Yet if you didn’t finish your large portions “I’m such a terrible mother” which led me to being fat myself. I’m sure she said the same but wife to the husband. Both of my parents hate fat people more than any other race, but in a way where they feel comfortable casually mocking. She was a narcissist. She was 50 when I was 5 and she was as fit as how you imagine an 80 year old. Shed call me all sorts of mental conditions, but like when she really leaned into calling me bipolar well, I never was put on lithium. Never medicated. Never kept even the 5150 hospital mental ward. It was all just attempts to psychologically hurt me because hitting me well it’s like a baby hitting a bear. She never got better. My grandfather used to be a boozer, but I thought highly of him. I hoped she would. Really any of them.
Danny-Fr@reddit
Shit mate. If you're a hugger you have one from me.
You won the shit lottery. How you doing now, pushing through?
ZachF8119@reddit
I have no choice.
I’ve never had a choice.
I do what others won’t. It makes me successful at jobs despite my low IQ. I have high AQ because I’ve had no choice and high endurance.
My current job the first year really broke me. I never thought I’d be out in a place where I stress ate until I got fat again. I feel so ashamed at myself. It was really rough. 6 years ago I was fit enough to do pretty well dating even though like my childhood is a dating deterrent. None of the friends who I would go to drinks with or whose birthday or wedding I went to are in my life they all left me. Covid was this way for most people I guess. Idk. I’m pretty reluctant to feel that type of betrayal again. It really surprised me I could feel these types of agony outside of family.
It leaves me very pensive on what I should be doing with my life.
Danny-Fr@reddit
Live it. Been through some rough shit myself and all that saved me is that the knife was too dull. If anything, even if you're not seeing the point in living for yourself or if you feel too stuck, there's still many opportunities to do good, for others. However deep you're in, there's always opportunities to do good.
ZachF8119@reddit
I think I’ve gotta attack this problem from a completely different angle.
Being intentionally standoffish at work to me definitely feels like it was a better move.
I’m still helpful, but like nobody knows any of the good that happens to me. They don’t support me having a better life. They don’t help me. I help them, because I think it’s important to be kind.
I’m literally here for 12 hours on Halloween because they won’t do anything for me.
Danny-Fr@reddit
Is it possible for you to move? Lots of problems are geographical. Shit communities, toxic work culture, all that. Can continue in DMs if you want. Need to sleep tho. It's way past bedtime where I am.
ZachF8119@reddit
Yeah hate my job hate my place.
Switching is hard atm.
I’ve been waiting on a response for week and a half.
For job… Just asked a new colleague what title my skillset is outside of my job where I’m a scientist because I’m miserable.
East_Simple@reddit
okay, but it doesn't say that she abuses him back or somehow hates him or whatever. she just says shit like "dont be like your dad; you look like him". it looks like anon is a crazy fuck who just looks for a reason fo hate his mother
TheRealApoth@reddit
This is a case of OP's mom trying to turn him into his dad. It might be subconscious. He's resisting her insane behavior, which is good.
waterhg@reddit
Braindead take. Why on earth would she TRY to turn her son into an abuser? Good lord you people need to get off the Internet
BirbsAreSoCute@reddit
Maybe she's not trying to turn him into his father, but this type of shit is part of why people like his father exist at all
waterhg@reddit
She is singlehandedly raising him and keeping him away from witnessing abuse as a child growing up in a household like that trying to be his mother despite being traumatized. Mothers surviving domestic abuse need help, too, and I would believe that a mother who takes the severely increased risk of death by leaving so she can protect herself and, namely, the child is probably being an, otherwise, good mother. Read what he wrote about her and ask yourself if it's justified. Benefit of the doubt to the mother that the comments are due to the child actually being a horrible shit like his father, which is likely to happen from witnessing violence at a young age and then no-lifing an Internet form filled with incels who want to rape women to get back at them?? Clearly the trauma is still there, but she's probably putting all of the money she earns from work into child-rearing instead of therapy that they both need.
There's like 3 genuinely negative comments in there, like not smiling because he looks like his dad. But if this is how he thinks and talks and sees as justified punishment and justified belief, it's not because of what she's done to him if the worst was that. That does not happen with a few comments, else every kid told to not act like their shitty parent would turn into a clone of the shitty parent. Nevertheless, once again, benefit of the doubt to the mother that this child has been showing behavioral resemblance to the father, and she recognized the patterns instantly because of how trauma rewires the nervous system to lock in on patterns that resemble the abuser's. Raising a child that's slowly growing into being the exact monster who threatened your life continually to the point of being to escape (and him only reinforcing that by spending time with more awful communities online) probably isn't the smoothest experience.
How often do we sympathize with people who call their single mother parents who only raised one child sluts while believing the abuser's actions of beating or raping them = deserved?
failedsatan@reddit
keeping him away from abusers like his dad, while simulatenously abusing him. productive.
Nidus-Zealot@reddit
What? She's saying don't be like the father though?
Letters_to_Dionysus@reddit
when you bring up the connection you plant/reinforce the idea. like, if you tell a super depressed person not to an hero everyday, you might as well be telling them to do it.
Nidus-Zealot@reddit
Not really? That's some backward logic. The dad seems to be an asshole and she doesn't want her son to be an asshole and making negative comparisons. It's not like healthy or anything but still not trying to make him like his dad
Letters_to_Dionysus@reddit
i doubt it's intentional, but the effect would be the same regardless.
Nidus-Zealot@reddit
I can agree with it being unintentional, but the original comment was saying she was trying to do it.
I think the mother sees bits of the father and resents every bit of it. I really think she's trying to stomp it out. In addition to that not really being productive, Anon referring to his father as a "Chad" tells me he's got a somewhat idealized version of him in his head. It's weirdly common. Like the mom is there she's fucked up and flawed and he can see it every day. The dad isn't really around so he can hold whatever idea he wants because the only person who contradicts that is someone he already has horrible friction with. Had a former friend who was like this. Like if you hear what he says the guy actually did to his family it's fucking horrible. But he follows it up with "but he was a good father", despite him leaving the family to poverty. None of the other siblings talk to the guy but he just couldn't let go of the image he wanted. You get to have one parent live as a myth that the other parent is constantly tearing down and biting at any resemblance. Ultimately I think she wants him to be absolutely nothing like his dad and is making it worse.
yp364@reddit
The word you are searching is projection you are welcome btw
ClarityNHZach@reddit
Fake: anon's dad is a Chad
Gay: anon fantasizes about his dad
SnikiAsian@reddit
Shit like this reminds me how lucky I am to have parents who don't hate each other's guts and actually love me
floriusz@reddit
letting myself experience emotions and expressing them was a bitter sweet experience for me when I was a teenager(thanks to my then girlfriend and her family). That’s THE thing I am so proud of myself, I did that, without them.
it I felt envy for everyone else and for people like you who had good homes and I think I still do in some way? Everytime I blamed myself for not being good enough but I was a fucking child, the thing is they were not good enough for me
How cruel can you be to have children when you have problems on your own man, like it’s disgusting imo
Tusami@reddit
same like man I'm just autistic as hell 😭 ppl fr get angry regularly
TON-OF-CLAY0429@reddit
Dude fr, anger just makes me cringe idk how you can act that way without getting embarrassed with yourself.
But also I just weirdly don’t get angry much at all.
hipnosister@reddit
Freak
NCD_Lardum_AS@reddit
Every day I'm thankful my parents are good people.
Danniel12@reddit
My parents only mildly hate eachother and i still see it as a win objectively speaking lol
FroyoFast743@reddit
Constant comparisons to an abusive ex partner do not a healthy minded child make.
ScarabHeart7796@reddit
Anon's mom might have accidentally turned them into what she didn't want them to be lol
BowlsDeepRamen@reddit
Single moms raise the worst men.
LemonFlavoredMelon@reddit
This is relevant but my womanizer friend told me this bit of advice when dealing with women.
"Women are basically doing the emotional equivalent of drinking bleach and hoping you care enough to slap the bleach out of their hands."
show-me-dat-butthole@reddit
Ooft this is my mother and she wonder why I don't really talk to her anymore.
sidnynasty@reddit
This just sounds like unhealed generational trauma, my dad would make sure to shit talk my mom at any and all opportunities and tell my sisters how they better not grow up to be "such a bitch like her". My mom did it too sometimes but their reasons behind saying things like that were the complete opposite. He said it because he was a terrible father who couldn't accept that fact, she said because he was extremely abusive to her. Fucked up on both their parts to put that on us kids but one was much more understandable than the other.
throwtheclownaway20@reddit
Anon clearly inherited exactly what she's afraid of.
Absolutemehguy@reddit
I mean, mums seeing their abusive husbands in their male children & treating the child horribly isn't really a new thing, but yeah society isn't ready to discuss something like this.
otakugrey@reddit
Pretty much the same thing happened to me.
sidedishgambino@reddit
That's because we're not allowed to hold women accountable for their actions
CasuallyClutching@reddit
Why the fuck is it being a "new thing" relevant????
ReliefZealousideal84@reddit
In fact, it’s extremely common and often overlooked because ‘muh sexism’
TacoMedic@reddit
My mum is a wonderful woman in a lot of ways, but she told me a few times when I was younger that I’m acting like my father (in a negative way).
The last time it happened, I clapped back with, “Well I hope I have better sense than my mother and don’t sleep with someone like him.” Mum started crying, my (step)dad was fucking furious and I was grounded for weeks.
But she never said it to me again.
the_depressed_donkey@reddit
Real he was abusive to her and I was just a kid standing up for what I disagreed with but all I’d hear is “youre just like your father”
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
Based.
How old were you when that happened?
TacoMedic@reddit
16 or 17 I think? Can’t remember.
OvercastqT@reddit
perfect reply no matter the consequences
BigBootyBuff@reddit
37
bddragon1@reddit
There was a point in my life where I definitely would have said something similar at that age, so it's cathartic to see someone else put their foot down.
pocketgravel@reddit
Women are wonderful effect
twotokers@reddit
Extremely common? Get real dude.
Outrageous_Basis_997@reddit
Extremely common as in that demographic
SpaceBug176@reddit
Yeah because the stuff people say "extremely common" these days that you'd defend are actually extremely common.
mayasux@reddit
I’m ngl if anon is calling the abuser “abuse chad” and going on schizo 4chan rants about how his mother deserved the abuse I fear she may be justified in recognising that same behaviour
Absolutemehguy@reddit
You don't get it fam. When you're raised without affection, compassion or guidance you just latch on to whatever / where ever you can get them. Could be equally abusive spouses, alcohol & drugs or, in many lonely & maladjusted man's case in this day and age; weird ideologies.
There is no "abuser gene", a child is what you make of them.
SynV92@reddit
Why do families with multiple children raised the same way have one kid who's a killer and another who's a degree holder then?
Nature vs nurture are still being studied and your claim holds no water.
Doidleman53@reddit
For some reason you only see genetics as the reason for why one kid is bad but the other is good.
You have failed to consider that one big factor is the type of people/friends they hang out with. Genetics are not a good excuse to explain someone's behaviour. That gets into the typical sexist comments of saying "women are too emotional because of their genetics". Let's not do that.
Your claim literally can't be proven because there will always be variables and any test that got rid of those variables would be unethical.
SynV92@reddit
Holy shit reading is hard huh
Absolutemehguy@reddit
Only redditors will "sOuRCe????" when someone says if you fuck up raising a child, the child will be fucked up.
SynV92@reddit
I'm not saying fucking up a child doesn't fuck them up. But genes definitely play a role in it to some degree.
Tablesafety@reddit
There are certain genetic factors that, when an individual is exposed to certain external stressors, largely determine how that individual handles it and if they would be more predisposed to violence. You can read about it, if you search for it. I fear were I just to link that, I would be misconstrued.
As oop had stated, there is no deterministic gene that would dictate someone is going to be a violent person from birth.
And as you have stated, there are some genetic co-relations where if mistreated or otherwise exposed to certain environmental stressors or pressures one individual with a certain coding would be more likely to respond with violence than another without it.
The Warrior gene is a good place to start.
But, since it’s the internet I do want to make it clear if someones reading this and gets worried they have it or, feel angry for some reason: Having coding like the Warrior gene does not automatically make someone a monster. A man who does have his first reaction to stressors or mistreatment being violence is not what his first reaction is; It is what his actions are. A person who does not act like a monster, is not a monster.
SynV92@reddit
Yeah it's not like I'm talking out of my ass. People have no reading comprehension. I have bipolar and that generally triggers after a pretty traumatic event. Lots of people can develop bipolar who just haven't, because it's like an inactive bomb with a code word.
Some people just don't want to think.
Tablesafety@reddit
I guess it comes off as, to a third party just scrolling this thread, pointing out the inaccuracy in claiming there is no genetic factor at all seems useless when the purpose of the comment was just to express a sentiment that monsters are made, not born.
I recognize wanting to point out that when paired with triggers there absolutely is a genetic factor to temperament and how likely violence is to be a solution, but given the context of the comment and thread overall it just comes off like an “Um, akshually” that missed the overall point, and I can see where OOP and other commenters scrolling by got upset.
SynV92@reddit
It can be dangerous to let people think that children who are fucked up are solely responsible by their parents. But I guess you're right.
Thanks for humoring me.
Tablesafety@reddit
No problem. I also think I understand where you are coming from. Saying that something is completely nurture when there is a nature component also makes me want to point it out. Outcomes can best be avoided by having a complete picture, and ignoring facts is always a bad idea in the long run.
You can see a lot of people having trouble, and Im not saying people are dogs- we have a lot more self control and presence of mind- but having trouble with their dogs of certain breeds having predispositions to certain patterns of behavior due to the oddly prevalent thought that a dog is entirely nurture, and no nature. You must acknowledge nature so you can approach nurture in the best possible way for any creature. There are certain lessons and coping skills someone should learn if they do feel a pull towards more violent solutions to problems, for example.
But, at the same time- there is a time and a place as well, and If that isn’t paid any mind educational things can come off very wrongly and even insultingly despite someone having no such intentions.
Thanks for humoring me as well, have a good evening bud.
Absolutemehguy@reddit
Yeah yeah research, they should just keep beating their sons, that'll show the dad!
SynV92@reddit
Oh right this is the 4chan sub.
Yeah your response makes sense lmao
SpaceBug176@reddit
That's not what he said
DripRoast@reddit
My dad wasn't even abusive, but my mom still has some weird misandry issues when I was growing up as a result of her scumbag father. It was never as overtly cruel and deliberate as the kind of shit you see here, but there was always a vague undertone of resentment for men in general. You know, the whole "men are pigs, but you're not going to be like that..." thing.
I don't think there's much society can do to address the issue. It's generational. All we can do is try to be less fucked up than our parents or don't have kids.
OREOSTUFFER@reddit
My mom and I were done horribly by my father. He was diagnosed NPD, but I'm pretty sure he's a psychopath from some of the cruelty he took pleasure in. She says she sees a lot of him in me, but thankfully she's never once used it as an insult. She just laughs and says "That's a John face" when I make certain facial expressions or when I word things a certain way, or in how I walk and how I interact with people. I'm lucky to have a wonderful mother who never dumped her trauma onto me - she points out the similarities between me and him, but never uses it to bring me down. I am his son, so of course I'm like him in many ways, but I'm not him - and my mother always tells me that she's glad I missed all of the bad traits.
Tablesafety@reddit
There is a reason that she loved him. It’s unfortunate he squandered that. But she sees those reasons she had love for him in you and that’s at least a nice thing, I think.
rentagirl08@reddit
Sweetest take in the whole thread
pandarista@reddit
My mom saw her father in me and certainly took that out on me from a young age. I never even really knew the guy that well. I'd only met him a handful of times.
AceGalactica@reddit
☕️ ☕️ ☕️
Makiergrm@reddit
Funny as fuck, the op's dad is a confirmed abuser and bro still manages to blame the woman
Magenta30@reddit
Shes at least partly at fault here. It sounds crazy but women arent children. His mother is an adult. And as an adult letting your child getting abused because you dont like the feeling of beeing lonely is nearly as horrible as beeing the abuser yourself.
yuejuu@reddit
that doesn’t negate the fact that his mother could’ve also been horrible to him and bears part of the responsibility if that was the case. nothing excuses child abuse if that is in fact what happened here.
Wobbermork@reddit
being abused isnt her fault. repeatedly comparing a child to an abuser is. my own mother would tell me im "acting just like my father" anytime we disagreed. i saw him on weekends and the most i knew of him was he was likely horrendously depressed and neglected his family to stay in his room and distract himself with video games
Sad-Tradition-563@reddit
I hate that I can relate to this so much, except I had a sister so I got to see how well she was treated while I got the shit end
wordjedi@reddit
Our only consolation is maybe those aggression genes passed on so we can throw sportsballs far in high school, before all the stacies get preg (then fat) by some other abuse chad-spawn....thus perpetuating the cycle
Guglielmowhisper@reddit
Whats the bet that the dad is actually a great guy who set firm boundaries with her and her mentally ill behaviour?
p1nkfr3ud@reddit
He beat the shit out of her, insane trying to frame it as setting firm boundaries.
TechnicianIll8621@reddit
"I was abused" is the go to lie for narcissistic women who can't deal with men who set boundaries, and expect accountability and respect.
BirbsAreSoCute@reddit
My bro, just say you're misogynistic and move on
Guglielmowhisper@reddit
We have imperfect information, so we can only make imperfect extrapolations. He said was, not is, the man isn't in his life anymore and probably hasn't been for a long time. Maybe he left when the anon was a toddler and the mother is just a liar. Given she has ruined anon's mental health it is possible this is all her fantasy.
a_code_mage@reddit
A tale as old as time.
lifesnotperfect@reddit
Okay, goodnight punpun
LionMonroe@reddit
God this just brought up a bunch of trauma. I had the exact same experience down to the exact same words. Thank god my mum went to therapy after I ran away from home and we managed to reconnect and she apologised.
AlexTheGreat-711@reddit
Just continue to look like your dad, and maybe give her some quick backhandings and be like "this curse ain't lifted yet" or something like that
Fair_Grab1617@reddit
illeh illeh illeh.....I come to destroy you, mother.
Electronic_Nature869@reddit
Smack my bitch up begins playing
LuckyLynx_@reddit
This is a big reason I'm very pro choice
PurpleWoodpecker2830@reddit
Agreed. He should’ve been killed as a baby
djaqk@reddit
Embryo / Fetus, don't give the "pro life" nerds the ammo about "muh baby killing". Honestly the fact that some people can't understand the significant difference between an alive baby and an early term Fetus in the womb is incredibly ironic, almost like they're not sentient yet either lmao
ik you're just meming, my spiel isn't directed at you
PurpleWoodpecker2830@reddit
Anything is better than bodily autonomy droids
Orcasareglorious@reddit
Agreed. Although this Anon’s mother didn’t put him up for adoption, implying it was jnitiallg her intention to have a child, so he likely would have ended up in this situation anyway.
bigmanbiggerguy@reddit
Sad as fuck and worst of all might be true.
Softspokenclark@reddit
There’s no such thing as an abusive Chad. A Chad is the ultimate goal, the best and idealized version of yourself.
Anon’s dad is just some insecure loser who beats women
No-Section-4385@reddit
Just like his daddy.
riiyoreo@reddit
Dudes on 4chan have something fundamentally wrong with them.
Chodor101@reddit
Tbh he is right, it's her responsibility as a patent to you know allow him to grow up stable, and she fails raisimg him to be... like his father or worse. Deciding to be single mom instead of leaving him for adoption was her choice and it's her responsibility to do it right.
Chodor101@reddit
Damn, I'm suprised top comments don't want anon to die for making a woman sad
TechnicianIll8621@reddit
Nothing more powerful than a woman's tears.
iporktablesforfun@reddit
Abuse chad? What the fuck.
Resident_Onion997@reddit
"don't talk like that you sound exactly like him"
SloppySlime31@reddit
real and straight?
Spare_Pixel@reddit
And thus an even abusier Chad was born
FatewithShadow@reddit
unfortunately, not everyone deserve to be a parent.
itsagrungething69@reddit
Anon going to do the same behavior to his kids
BarryBro@reddit
My mother did the same thing, my dad cheated on his wife with her.. so she would make comments here or there, but it was when I was 16+ w my girlfriends she would tell them I was going to treat them bad and leave them / hurt them somehow.. have not talked with her since I moved out at 18. Also upon looking at her Facebook years later, to little surprise she is a Maga now posting all that shit.
AdAromatic7616@reddit
lol, so he picked up his horribleness from his dad. Glad he proved her fucking point for him.
Kaikeno@reddit
"Anon, make sure to grow up to be a good person."
"OMG, mom. You're ruining my life!"
This is so fucking depressing
HeirAscend@reddit
More like don’t look, talk, or act the way you do because it reminds me of something you had no control over
displayboi@reddit
What did the guy say?
HeirAscend@reddit
Something about anon raging about his mom telling him to be a good person
JWARRIOR1@reddit
bro only read the first 4 lines and stopped
JustABigBruhMoment@reddit
Bro just read the title and ran to the comment section
cham066@reddit
Can you read?
HorrorCake1481@reddit
Why did I click on this depressing as fuck thread...
2020mademejoinreddit@reddit
Nope. This is truly sad. A perfect example of how a woman's choice in men indeed has more impact on the child than anything else.
IT_techsupport@reddit
this one hits too deep man, not even fun to poke at.
Proud-Bluebird@reddit
Anon should read history book or something
find role model that's not his parents
Outrageous_Basis_997@reddit
Anon reads Mein Kampf and sympathizes with Hitler's abusive childhood
displayboi@reddit
Truly a classic.
a_code_mage@reddit
New serial killer just dropped
TheAppleGentleman@reddit
Of course, anon blames his problems on the wrong person, like every other anon
TrieMond@reddit
Hug your mom bro!
bruno-numero-uno@reddit
Blaming everything on her, just like his father.
Nice-Analysis8044@reddit
Charming.
Kelainefes@reddit
Anon has terrible mom>Anon hates all women> Anon is gay
CheesyTortoise@reddit
Anon stfu and shoot a political figure or something
Individual-Heart-719@reddit
Humanity was a mistake.
FJkookser00@reddit
This shit actually happens. Traumatic association with a shared child can cause the “good parent” to engage in unintentional psychological abuse as a way to push away recurring thoughts of their abusive partner.
In any domestic turmoil situation, the child always suffers, and often suffers most. Divorce, abuse, death, poverty, anything. The children suffer the most.
GoodlifeFOB@reddit
I hope anon can find the help he needs, or at least talk to his mother about it
BiscuitDance@reddit
Damn, this hits. I dealt with the exact same thing.
prezado@reddit
its in anon's genes already, too late
Highway_Song@reddit
Yea, some moms are so awful you don’t even want to defend them. My mom ruined me and I couldn’t care less when she got her ass beat by him.
Alternative-Flow-7@reddit
Skill issue frfr
make_reddit_great@reddit
Many such cases, unfortunately.