It’s really fucked up that we dropped an atomic bomb or two on Japan, but Godzilla is super cool so did Oppenheimer really do anything wrong in the grand scheme of things?
No atomic bombing, no traumatized nation with a dichotomy of simultaneous fear and embracing novel technology, no Japanese cyberpunk, body horror and anime masterpieces. Americans saved the day once again.
Yeah but those scenarios probably would've still led to the US having nukes and Nazi Germany thinking nukes are ~~woke~~ jewish science, opting for flashy toys instead.
Those scenarios would probably also lead to the allies being unable to get air superiority in Europe.
Those scenarios without allied air superiority are the only ones where Germany isn't completely fucked. 1 big bomb doesn't make that much of a difference compared to 1000s of small bombs as seen with the fire bombings in Japan being similarly destructive to the nukes.
And there were elements within Britain and the US that might have been willing to negotiate if the war went badly.
He wasn't morally conflicted about the bomb itself, he was conflicted because he knew that if he didn't make it the germans or Japanese would have eventually, and thus made the bomb out of necessity in a race against time, fully knowing the destruction it would cause but understanding the necessary evil in order to win the war, it was a lose lose situation for oppenheimer and the world.
Science is fun, mate. Discovering/inventing something entirely new - or at least, feeling you did for a moment - is a brain blast of an experience. I can very easily imagine someone getting so carried away with the act of creation that they don't really think about the actual thing they are creating until it see it in action.
Oppenheimer wasn't under any illusions, he knew they were making a weapon of mass destruction. He was morally against the idea but he also knew that the Germans were working on the bomb too and that the Nazis would have way less moral compunction about using it. If he refused to work on the Manhattan project, he knew the technology would still be created either way, but at least if he was in the driver's seat he'd have knowledge and some influence over it. Of course, Germany was defeated before they ever finished their bomb so that became a moot point. Japan, on the other hand, didn't have anything close to a working nuclear program. From Oppenheimer's view the bomb instead became a shortcut to end the war, rather than a counterarsenal which is probably why he reacted so strongly to its use. I think if Oppenheimer knew that the bomb was ultimately going to be used on the Japanese he probably would have refused outright to work on it.
yeah he could't use the moral justification he started with.
This wasn't 'kill evil nuclear Hitler that is going to destroy the world', but a 'lets wrap up this war quickly and see how much damage this bad boy can actually do.'
The Japanese were arming their civilians with spears and telling them to kill themselves rather than surrender to U.S. soldiers. Dropping the bombs was absolutely the right choice and if you disagree you are an idiot.
Yep, even after the first nuke the Minister of War urged the civilians to fight to their last breath. Would've been absolutely horrible, probably as bad if not worse than the nuke casualties.
Yeah the act of inventing something brand new and especially paradigm-shifting is such an enticing thing people don’t take into account in these moral arguments. The whole “they were so interested in whether they could they didn’t stop to think if they should” thing
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Soviet nuclear bomb designer Sakharov also quickly learned that Politburo wasn't not going to use his Tsar Bomba for civil housing of remote USSR ares and became universally hated human rights dissident.
LemonFlavoredMelon@reddit
>Creates Hiroshima Ashtray Simulator
>Upset that Hiroshima is an Ashtray Simulator
thr33beggars@reddit
It’s really fucked up that we dropped an atomic bomb or two on Japan, but Godzilla is super cool so did Oppenheimer really do anything wrong in the grand scheme of things?
brightcrayon92@reddit
It also gave us anime and hentai
Rustie3000@reddit
Is there a proven causation?
JO5EPH_44@reddit
Mr. Oppai
auggs@reddit
Mr. Oppai harem
Deldris@reddit
Oppai harem style.
SmoothPimp85@reddit
No atomic bombing, no traumatized nation with a dichotomy of simultaneous fear and embracing novel technology, no Japanese cyberpunk, body horror and anime masterpieces. Americans saved the day once again.
DeepQueen@reddit
America, fuck ya! Comin again to save the mother fucking day, yeah!
Sbotkin@reddit
It's also somehow not viewed as a war crime and genocide by Americans, when it pretty much was.
Derpy_Derpingson@reddit
MFW when I bomb another country and then they bomb me back:
Sbotkin@reddit
TIL Japan nuked USA
SpookyHonky@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
19million+ dead and an empire that refused to surrender makes the 250,000 dead from nukes seem pretty generous
jetvacjesse@reddit
Me when I’m braindead:
BilleyBong@reddit
Japan is somehow given a pass for their horrific genocides and war crimes as well
Razor265@reddit
I mean, two atomic bombs were dropped on them. Hardly a pass.
qywuwuquq@reddit
Atomic bombs resulted in less war casualties by the virtue of ending the war.
GrImPiL_Sama@reddit
The bombs at least made japanese men to shift their focus from devising war strategies to making them draw tentacle hentai.
das_slash@reddit
Tentacle hentai preceded the atomic bombs for more than a century, it's a pillar of japanese identity.
BooRaccoon@reddit
Didn’t the idea of Godzilla specifically come from witness accounts of the Castle Bravo test?
SunderedValley@reddit
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
Why is the wizard working in the assembly line instead of being on the board of directors.
Is he stupid ?
TrumpDesWillens@reddit
C-Suite is usually made-up of Chads and Stacies.
ilikesaying@reddit
Board’s filled with archmages, plus you get to fuck around with defective drones.
fenixOdinsson@reddit
Why did this person ask question? Does he not know?
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
Does he not know what ?
fenixOdinsson@reddit
Knowledge
xThereon@reddit
https://i.redd.it/l7e9dncqrcyf1.gif
Inconspicuous_Shart@reddit
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
gimme
retsoPtiH@reddit
Oppagangnamstyle live reaction when the military tells him to build a scifi not-weapon that will not be used to kill people
soiboi64@reddit
Fern-ando@reddit
He felt bad because he wanted to turn german civilians into dust instead of japanese ones.
Derpy_Derpingson@reddit
"Germany could've won the war if" MFers when they realize that Berlin would've become a mushroom cloud if Germany had held on for another 3 months
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
Not really because the scenarios where Germany could still win WW2 are all way before the US even has the bomb.
Like Hitler not being a regard and ordering the Blitz right when the British air force was on the brink of collapse.
Or the German leaderships noumerous idiotic decisions during the invasion of the soviet Union.
SpookyHonky@reddit
Yeah but those scenarios probably would've still led to the US having nukes and Nazi Germany thinking nukes are ~~woke~~ jewish science, opting for flashy toys instead.
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
Those scenarios would probably also lead to the allies being unable to get air superiority in Europe.
Those scenarios without allied air superiority are the only ones where Germany isn't completely fucked. 1 big bomb doesn't make that much of a difference compared to 1000s of small bombs as seen with the fire bombings in Japan being similarly destructive to the nukes.
And there were elements within Britain and the US that might have been willing to negotiate if the war went badly.
Icy_Magician_9372@reddit
I saw a documentary where nazis were busy digging up stupid shit like the ark of the covenant instead of inventing nukes. They didn't stand a chance.
EmberMcLain_@reddit
Oppenheimer was a weeaboo who wanted a cute trad japanese gf
Zermist@reddit
he didn’t see it coming nobody could’ve predicted the bomb was used as a bomb
XDDDSOFUNNEH@reddit
Ain't no way 💀
Silent_Killer093@reddit
He wasn't morally conflicted about the bomb itself, he was conflicted because he knew that if he didn't make it the germans or Japanese would have eventually, and thus made the bomb out of necessity in a race against time, fully knowing the destruction it would cause but understanding the necessary evil in order to win the war, it was a lose lose situation for oppenheimer and the world.
Slide-Maleficent@reddit
Science is fun, mate. Discovering/inventing something entirely new - or at least, feeling you did for a moment - is a brain blast of an experience. I can very easily imagine someone getting so carried away with the act of creation that they don't really think about the actual thing they are creating until it see it in action.
2FLY2TRY@reddit
Oppenheimer wasn't under any illusions, he knew they were making a weapon of mass destruction. He was morally against the idea but he also knew that the Germans were working on the bomb too and that the Nazis would have way less moral compunction about using it. If he refused to work on the Manhattan project, he knew the technology would still be created either way, but at least if he was in the driver's seat he'd have knowledge and some influence over it. Of course, Germany was defeated before they ever finished their bomb so that became a moot point. Japan, on the other hand, didn't have anything close to a working nuclear program. From Oppenheimer's view the bomb instead became a shortcut to end the war, rather than a counterarsenal which is probably why he reacted so strongly to its use. I think if Oppenheimer knew that the bomb was ultimately going to be used on the Japanese he probably would have refused outright to work on it.
thoughtlow@reddit
yeah he could't use the moral justification he started with.
This wasn't 'kill evil nuclear Hitler that is going to destroy the world', but a 'lets wrap up this war quickly and see how much damage this bad boy can actually do.'
Lord_Chromosome@reddit
The Japanese were arming their civilians with spears and telling them to kill themselves rather than surrender to U.S. soldiers. Dropping the bombs was absolutely the right choice and if you disagree you are an idiot.
pm_me_your_weed_pls@reddit
Yep, even after the first nuke the Minister of War urged the civilians to fight to their last breath. Would've been absolutely horrible, probably as bad if not worse than the nuke casualties.
SyntheticDuckFlavour@reddit
The Krauts were having a go at it, USA panicked, so they decided to beat them to it. Everyone knew what they were in for.
PalmTheProphet@reddit
Yeah the act of inventing something brand new and especially paradigm-shifting is such an enticing thing people don’t take into account in these moral arguments. The whole “they were so interested in whether they could they didn’t stop to think if they should” thing
Cleveworth@reddit
Well, what the fuck did he think they were making, a gigantic rice cooker?
^(They kinda were I guess)
ReasonableWasabi5831@reddit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8VgSyKl9vg0 for context
Industrial_Enjoyer@reddit
His utter sadness wasn’t because it was utilized at all… it’s because it wasn’t dropped on Germany. He was disappointed the war was over in Europe.
yeetzapizza123@reddit
Secretly just mad he didn't get to drop it
ReturnRadio@reddit
(On the Germans)
BLuca99@reddit
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Hopeful_Cat_6249@reddit
SeamusMcCullagh@reddit
cheese0muncher@reddit
"THEY DID WHAT WITH MY NUCLEAR BOMB!?!? GET ME TRUMAN ON THE PHONE, NOW!!!"
Atomicnes@reddit
I mean they originally built it intending for it to be the Krautmelter 3000
AnOrdinaryFrog@reddit
“I thought I was making rice cooker”
vinhdoanjj@reddit
Japmelter 3000 Megaladon WHAT!????
YWNBAW12345@reddit
Mitchell and Webb did a skit on this exact premise. Called Dr Death.
piches@reddit
NOOOOOOOOOO THE GIANT RAY OF DEATH WAS CREATED TO HELP MANKIND NOT DESTROY IT!!!!
AI_GeneratedUsername@reddit
every mf antics until it’s time to nuke japan
ikonfedera@reddit
- What, did they it to boil water?
- Well... that's roughly 60% right
SmoothPimp85@reddit
Soviet nuclear bomb designer Sakharov also quickly learned that Politburo wasn't not going to use his Tsar Bomba for civil housing of remote USSR ares and became universally hated human rights dissident.
keker0t@reddit
Jap melter in the name and used in the unexpected doesn't go together
Lord_Moa@reddit
^(hey... pssst... that's the joke)
keker0t@reddit
I_cut_my_own_jib@reddit
Let me check your diaper
Slip_Snake@reddit
Well it had ULTRAKILL in the name, I have no idea how he was surprised.
xRaynex@reddit
https://i.redd.it/7m9g7tbzd8yf1.gif