This might be circlejerking, but I don't give a fuck of hypercars no more
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Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely get excited to see one on a public road or a museum.
It's not even about engines and stuff. F80 uses V6? Cool. Tourbillon uses V16? That's cool too.
Recent hypercars feel more and more like concept cars in a worst way possible, and they might as well be. Most of them will never leave their garage anyways.
Personally, current "regular" supercars and higher- to middle-end sports cars are much more interesting for me. Like some Astons or 911 GT3s (not even rarer variants like RS, nor touring, S/Ts, just plain-old gt3s)... Even the 296s and Arturas excite me more than the F80 and the W1. Heck the last R8 V10 is more interesting for me than the W1.
Not that I can afford any of these cars, but shouldn't be the other way around?
Older limited-production rare supercars and hypercars didn't make me feel this way. LFA, Ford GT, 918, F1...
It might just be me getting old.
AwardImmediate720@reddit
I think this, more than price, is why so many of us have just stopped caring about them. They effectively don't exist. Why care about something that doesn't exist?
GVIrish@reddit
I mean, this was always the case with this class of car. It's not like you'd see F40's or 959's on the road regularly in the 80's, or F1's and F50's in the 90's.
If anything, we actually get to see this type of car more because of the internet and social media. Now you can find out about events where exotics are gonna be and have a chance at viewing them in the flesh. In the past you had to be in the know and that wasn't easy. And if you don't live in an area where you can see exotic meet ups, you can still find videos of these cars.
ProjectZeus4000@reddit
Exactly.
Almost everything can be summarised as "we are older now" Ultra rare cars have always been rare. People romanticise about them pushing the boundaries and forget about the equivalent cheaper cars of the day.
The new generation ARE pushing the boundaries and people just can't see if because they made their impression on the first look on the aesthetics. The f80 is bring truly active suspension to a hypercar and it's going to be a step change https://www.motor1.com/news/737814/ferrari-f80-active-suspension/
The w1 is going for a simpler more traditional RWD set up and focus on aero which is going to be a step change over p1.
Tourbillon... A beautiful interior, v16 n/a and 40mile usable 800hp EV mode on a car lighter than the veyron.
Top speeds get incrementally harder and harder but there's 3+ cars out there that are likely capable of 500kmh which is the next big record.
The fact that electric sedans can match/beat the 0-60mph doesn't render performance useless or equal, it just means you need to look at the 0-200kph or the 0-100mph to see the differences.
UsernameAvaylable@reddit
Thing is, we had the 959, F40 and the F1, and thats basically it for 1-2 decades in terms of "boy bedroom poster car".
Nowadays its like every 3 months that a new hypercar comes out.
dirtycrabcakes@reddit
Crockett drove a black 1972 Ferrari 365 GTS/4 Daytona
clutchthepearls@reddit
I'll never have one and will basically never see one. They're unobtanium.
BlakesonHouser@reddit
And them getting advertised and praised to the masses is starting to piss me off irrationally so. Government can’t forgive 20 year old student loans, houses are 3x expensive, wages haven’t moved that much, by all accounts major corporations and wealthy elite continue to wreck the climate and I’m supposed to give a shit about some billionaires new garage queen?
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
I represented billionaires and have read their emails about how they think about regular people. We're a commodity to them. We are expendable tools which only serve to feed their bottom line. It disillusioned me when I realized 95% of rich people you see inherited it, not earned it, and that the myth of becoming a rich is legit a myth barring the few success stories. Proportionally however, there are very few rags-to-riches stories.
80% of households in the US earn less than $100,000. That's 280 million people. 1% of the population, or 3.5 million people, earn $790,000 per household. And 0.1% of them earn more than $25 million. And 0.01% are billionaires. Just 400 people hold more wealth than the entirety of America.
But raising the minimum wage is the issue.
Equivalent_Chipmunk@reddit
You can exceed that 80th percentile level with a little bit of hard work and good decision making. 99th percentile can be reached with a tremendous amount of hard work and a little bit of luck too. But you're almost never going to make it to the top 0.1% or 0.01% especially without being born rich or very close to it.
For the most part, becoming wealthy through a rags-to-riches scenario is just a carrot held out on a stick to maintain the middle class giving 10 tenths at work to make rich people richer.
The reality is that even with that very hard work, extremely few people will ever have the money for million dollar exotic cars. The chance of you being able to afford those things without making other lifestyle sacrifices that have a greater marginal cost than the benefit they provide is basically zero. Just find some mid-level cars that make you happy and spend your time enjoying your life instead of wasting it thinking about things you can't have.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Meme. I am a lawyer, mechanic, can code, am a self-taught engineer, and have a ton of other skills. Am I not a hard worker? Do I not make good decisions? I tried starting a business without a trust fund to support me and happened to get BTFO of a failing economy. Climbing out is a myth perpetuated by the wealthy to keep them working. It's a meme.
I have a handful of friends who grew up poor and made it out, and it took a lot more than "a little bit of hard work and good decision making." They basically had to sacrifice every waking moment to their job and timed the market perfectly--and no one can time the market perfectly because the market cannot be timed.
Equivalent_Chipmunk@reddit
Are you referencing the $100k mark? Because if you're a lawyer, coder, and engineer and can't get there... idk what to tell you. Any reasonably hard working skilled tradesman or white collar professional should be able to make $100k a year all-in with a few years of experience.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Bad timing in multiple markets. I've graduated into 2008 and this recession.
Equivalent_Chipmunk@reddit
A tech, like a mechanic? Don't do that dude. Unless it's your passion, and then I'd still consider doing something banal but lucrative like HVAC repair or plumbing and keeping auto stuff as a fun hobby, which it will quickly stop being when you are a tech and dealing with BS all day.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
If I'm going to do manual labor again, I'm working on cars. I cannot afford to get educated again and it already took me 8 months and 248 applications to get a single interview.
FeCurtain11@reddit
Your stat is wrong. 80% of individuals make less than $100,000. It’s 60% of households.
BlakesonHouser@reddit
It’s kinda like tragedy of the commons vibes. No one wants to allow for public good unless it benefits them directly.
bigfatbird@reddit
It‘s not their interest you buy them. It‘s in their interest you talk about the company, the brand, the thing you can’t afford.
Rich people will buy them.
You can buy the thought of it, and it’s only 29.99€
VirginRumAndCoke@reddit
They're literally just Forza cars.
GrumpyOlBastard@reddit
They're literally investment art
NerdyKyogre@reddit
This is the thing that makes me mad. Cars are meant to be driven, if I had a million dollar sports car I'd go out and drive it to work, enjoy every pull on the highway, listen to the engine and feel the wind in my hair just like I do in my GTI right now. I'd feel so guilty every time I left the house if I had a garage queen. And you're telling me that there are people spending millions on the absolute highest echelon of cars for them to sit in garages for decades with less than a thousand kilometers on them as an investment or some kind of stupid ass flex? Fuck off with that, leave the nice cars for those of us who want to use them for what they were built to do.
Futurewolf@reddit
Except you wouldn't. Not because you don't have an earnest love of cars and driving. But because driving them is a miserable experience. It's nerve-wracking. You can't see shit, everyone else is driving way too close to you and the nagging thought that a single small accident will set you back hundreds of thousands and months of downtime never leaves. It's not worth the trouble.
These cars exist to put up numbers and look pretty. Not much else.
Furrykedrian98@reddit
I have experience with this thanks to my dad. He bought a McLaren when he turned 60.
Rotors are over $3000 direct. No markup, no labor.
Pads are a minimum of $500 / axle, again no markup or labor.
Coolant is $25 / gallon
Intake and cabin air filters are close to $100 each
My dad bought that car years ago. After about a year, it got stored in the garage. It wasn't bought as an investment, he just wanted the car. But about 3 months in, he left it parked at some corner store while he went inside, and it got keyed down the entire side. The entire car had to be repainted, and it really should have totaled from just that. A few months later, he took it to a car show a few towns over, and someone smashed the driver window in after the show. The window was near impossible to find and ended up costing over 5,000 to replace.
The last thing that I know happened is he curbed the wheel at the bank. He couldn't find new wheels so he bought a whole set for near $10k.
The car isn't worth it. When it eventually becomes mine, the first thing I will probably do with it is sell it. The general population does not drive well enough for me to feel okay even taking it out of the driveway. People have shown that they go out of their way to destroy this car if it isn't watched or locked up and hidden. General maintenance costs more than a used car. Major service intervals cost more than a new car. Accidents cost 5 figures minimum. Insurance is absolutely insane.
It's a really cool car, and it's super fast both in a straight line and around corners. The engineering is amazing. It is the coolest car your friend could have, and everyone wants to ride in it. But it's a complete nightmare to actually own and try to use.
blackashi@reddit
I think there's afford to buy a supercar and there's afford to own one. i track my c8, and i can't imagine tracking a car that's 5x the price (looking at you 992 gt3). After everything i put it through, with the offs and slides and all that, even though i can afford a gt3 on paper, i won't enjoy it because i can't flog on it.
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
I've also heard that they always have something wrong with them. In and out of the shop for one reason or another.
Stock_Violinist95@reddit
Don't forget that you pretty much can't park anywhere else than in a secured closed garage with a personal parking space if you don't want to come back to a 4000$ bodywork bill because people won't respect your property
IknowwhatIhave@reddit
I disagree. I have several cars that fit this category (not supercars, but cars with the driving experience you describe) and I still drive them because I love driving them.
If some Karen scrolling tiktok rear ends me in my Alfa Giulia it's going to be destroyed and I might be killed or crippled. If the turbo on my 924 blows it's out of commission for months and months.
If I spin a bearing in my Phantom doing 85 mph it's low six figures and years waiting to get rebuilt by one of the 3 guys in North America who can pour babbit metal...
People who are afraid to drive their supercars when they have the money to fix them and have insurance are losers.
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AwardImmediate720@reddit
Which is why if I had the money I probably wouldn't bother to own one. I want something I can enjoy, even if the specs aren't world-beating. Hell that's why I ride a "compromised" sportbike instead of a supersport like I used to. That "compromised" bike is something I can easily ride in traffic while also having plenty of performance.
Uda880@reddit
That last part is so right. An Amazon van ran into my run of the mill, regular GT3, and it was enough to total it out, and I still haven't received the settlement offer nearly 3 months later. Made me think twice about buying another one, as I like to drive my cars.
NerdyKyogre@reddit
Honestly this is a fair take, having driven a couple of even low-grade performance cars. Was driving an Aston Martin Vantage an unforgettable experience? Absolutely, it's a beautiful car and just an absolute dream to drive, but was it more fun than my GTI? Honestly, no. Certainly didn't make me want to own one. I think this is what draws me to wanting a garage full of weird little old cars rather than anything super expensive.
Inevitable-Boss@reddit
This. All that time and money that goes into developing the chassis and powertrain etc, only for it never to be used.
BrokeCarBro@reddit
technically the technology trickles down. but i agree with your sentiment.
newtonreddits@reddit
Then go buy them and drive them.
If I had a dollar for every guy at cars and coffee who started off with "such a shame nobody drives these. I would totally drive the wheels off etc etc"
south-of-the-river@reddit
Gizmosfurryblank@reddit
rolling art
PoorMansTonyStark@reddit
Barely art imo. 99.9% of the car designs I see are something I've seen before like a million times already, and hypercars are no exception. That citroen ami is the boldest most interesting and daring design I've seen in ages.
poo-cum@reddit
I thought the valkyrie looked incredible because there's so much space underneath. From the rear it looks like it's floating.
And the AMG 1's vertical stabilizer is really nice, the way it blends into that air scoop. Reminds me of a lockheed tristar.
AwardImmediate720@reddit
A lot of that is because the problem of performance aero is a solved problem now. There's exactly one shape that actually does what all these cars are trying to do. Unsurprisingly that's also the shape they all are.
AwardImmediate720@reddit
Not even rolling since they get parked and don't move.
AwardImmediate720@reddit
Even in Forza I'm much more entertained driving either real race cars or actually-attainable cars. A compromised race car, which is what those hypercars really boil down to, isn't as interesting.
Karmaqqt@reddit
Same lol. I also do worse with the hypercars. But a nicely upgraded civic I’ll tear it up lol.
Secret_Physics_9243@reddit
That's why i love gran turismo. Huge focus on the normal cars we can realte to.
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
looks at the variety which was had in the PS2/3 era and has never returned, and the newfound focus on expensive, unobtainable cars
JC-Dude@reddit
Bro, the latest GT7 update literally had a Toyota van in it.
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
Yes, one single van, a sports sedan (Evo 8) and an actual supercar in the GT-R '24. 1/3 is a "normal" car and that's a higher rate than we've seen from them so far. Compare that to GT4-6 which seem to have 40% of the Japanese domestic market circa 2004.
Secret_Physics_9243@reddit
There's still far more focus put on the cheap shitboxes than other games. And old street/racecars. Really a good car culture teacher.
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
It's better than nothing but a pale shadow of games in the 2000s still
exposarts@reddit
That’s why most people in the forza community are in agreement that the A/B/C cars are the most fun to drive because card above that are so much harder to control
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
They're just numbers for the sake of numbers. How high can we get this horsepower and this price tag?
It's a game of diminishing returns. 50 years ago a high end sports car could do a 0-60 a full 8 or 9 seconds faster than a regular car. But today, a commuter sedan can do it in 6.5 seconds, a Mustang GT in 4.3 seconds, and a Ferrari 488 in 3.0 seconds.
Am I going to spend several million dollars more on something like an FXX to get that down to 2.5? What does half a second feel like, experienced behind the wheel? Moreover, who actually has access to places where you can make use of these absurd levels of power?
On a real road in the real world there is essentially no functional difference between the FXX, the 488, or the GT Mustang. One of them is 3% of the cost of the other and is actually something I could afford. So that's the one I care about.
mikolv2@reddit
Because they do exist, whether or not you personally see one. They showcase Ferrari's most advanced tech. Most advanced aero, most advanced manufacturing processes, best engine and the list goes on and on. This is a showcase of what is possible in a Ferrari road car and this will trickle down do their lower end models. Despite people's moaning, these cars are driven, very very few will be kept delivery mileage. Owners take them out, take them to track days or events. Of course no one is going to daily a hypercar and put 10s of thousands of miles on it. I don't even think it's because of the price, it's simply impractical to do so.
mini4x@reddit
One of the things I love about Jay Leno, he drives just about everything he owns.
Viperlite@reddit
They’re like a 3D poster of a car on the garage wall or the 1:12 metal die cast toy version the car. They never see the world outside a museum or an auction tent.
Rabo_McDongleberry@reddit
At this point I think it's turned into the money laundry scheme that the high end art world is.
TheDirtDude117@reddit
The R8 V10 was probably my favorite of the modern Supercars until recently.
I got a chance to drive a friend's McLaren 600LT with the Senna seats and I have never been more upset to go back to my car.
I get the hype and why people deal with the BS they occasionally have. He also has a Lotus Elise SC so he's got a type.
The time I have spent in a 997 GT3 and a 992 Carrera T both made me appreciate that at the higher end they are still making sporty no compromises cars.
I'm still going to have my semi-shitboxes though C5 Z06, FK8 seats, 8-2-1 headers, and I just need the Mita Mugen wheels!!
desf15@reddit
Yeah, I have similar sentiment. Maybe it is getting older :p
boofishy8@reddit
I think it’s just the lack of innovation. Up until the mid 2000’s, almost every new hypercar was a huge leap in performance over the one that came before, and that’s why the hypercar was built. The product was the knowledge gained, not the car sold.
The 959 brought group B rally to the street as the first hypercar with twin turbo, awd, adaptive suspension, aerodynamic, pure performance.
The F40 brought the combination of aerodynamics and usability to a new standard, creating the “first” production car to beat 200.
The F1 brought VVT, wind tunnel testing, and the entire concept of shaving 1/10ths to supercars. Gordon Murray was the first person to take the insanity of formula one and put the same level of care for excellence into a road car, smashing the speed record.
The Veyron was the first car to just throw finesse out the window. Quad turbos, V16, throw whatever we can into making a car have ridiculous top speed. It broke 250 for the first time.
There’s been other new cars along the way that largely brought similar huge leaps like carbon tubs, carbon ceramic brakes, DCT, etc but you get the point.
Hypercars now don’t offer anything new. Every hypercar does >200, 0-60 < 3 seconds, costs >$1M, and handles like a Lemans winner.
They all have a V engine, some forced induction, some hybrid system, a carbon tub, etc.
Ultimately the innovation has just significantly slowed. A 1987 corvette ZR1 was 375 horse and doing a 4.4 second 0-60. It was competing against the F1 that was 627 horse and doing a 3.2 second 0-60. The F1 was so crazy for the time that the best Chevy couldn’t even get close. A 2025 ZR1 makes 1,064 HP and does 0-60 in 2.5. The 2025 the W1 makes 1,258 HP and does 0-60 in 2.7. The absolute pinnacle of technology that’ll cost a few million dollars can’t even beat the Chevy anymore.
gimpwiz@reddit
W, not V16 for the bugatti, and GM/Chevy going fully uncorked says more about GM I think than competing supercars. Ultimately the true limiter is tires, and GM increased the capability of what they sell faster than tires did, by introducing an absurdly large increase in at least acceleration over what their usual product line looks like. Now everyone just plays for tenths of a second, which is a lot less interesting on paper. In real life it'll be fun on a bun for the select few who buy these things. I look forward to seeing them at thunderhill and laguna.
boofishy8@reddit
Good catch on W12.
As far as it speaking more to GM, I don’t think it really does. The average sports car simply could not keep up with a purpose built supercar until recently, and it’s not just Chevy. My point is that at one point in time it took a multi-million dollar design and engineering project to make the most incredible performance car known to man, and this is what became hypercars. It was unattainable performance for anyone other than the company making it or a Lemans team because the knowledge and materials were far too advanced and novel for a consumer car. Now, it’s tried and proven enough that Chevy is able to put the same shit into Joe Bob’s Corvette with a 3 year 45k mile warranty.
Ultimately if I want to build a car that will rival a new W1, I can do it with parts bin parts. Carbon tub and panels, TT LS, 8 speed DCT, LSD, 4 corner double wishbone or cantilever suspension, carbon ceramic brakes, and a mild hybrid system if I’m going real crazy. You simply could not do that if it was the 80’s or 90’s. All the tech was new, nothing was plug and play, the materials had to be cutting edge, etc.
ProjectZeus4000@reddit
You are delusional
Where can you get a a parts bin carbon fibre tub? Carbon fibre isn't just a material you slap together, it's got unidirectional properties and you need a team of people with degrees and years of experience to even run simulations on the strength of it.
A twin turbo LS is got gonna work off the shelft, you needed to dry sumping it to fit with any of the DCTs you are talking about.
How are you going o slap on a mild hybrid system? Can you do the calibration of that?
Aerodynamics - do you understand it?
"double wishbone or cantilever suspension" is just listing two different types of suspension ith absolutely no idea of achieving the suspension geometry you want or what you even want it to do .
Now you also need to know how to make this car legal to sell and pass all the homologation. Anyone can slap massive turbos on an engine and run it rich as fuck to get massive horsepower, making that homologated is a different story
gimpwiz@reddit
I should mention that the C5 Z06 was nipping at the hells of the F360, and the C6 Z06 (and the C6 ZR1) stack up surprisingly well to the F430, so the corvette has been at least supercar-adjacent for nigh thirty years.
JC-Dude@reddit
He's talking about a level beyond regular supercars.
gimpwiz@reddit
Sure but he said supercars. Shrug
JC-Dude@reddit
Not to mention, a 2.5s 0-60 was achieved nearly 20 years ago in the Veyron. Sports car and regular cars have made leaps and bounds in these numbers, but hypercars not so much, so these figures are no longer jaw-dropping.
boofishy8@reddit
Agreed. I think the only notable leap has been the McMurty Speirling, and I feel like people did get excited for that. It was huge in headlines, I saw extensive coverage in social media, I saw videos of it lapping all the different tracks, etc., which is huge for a track only rocket made by a new manufacturer.
JC-Dude@reddit
Yeah, that’s probably the only true „wow” moment I had when seeing a car in the past few years.
OskarBlues@reddit
And now you add electric vehicles to the mix with bonkers acceleration (but obviously not true performance handling), and the main "wow" numbers aren't so wow any more. You can buy a sub-4-second 0-60mph F150 Lightning. You can buy a sub-3-second Rivian.
These trucks will obviously suck on an actual track, but for most of us, 0-60 is the main performance metric we regularly experience, and hypercar acceleration just isn't all that any more. My neighbor's truck accelerates that fast...
intern_steve@reddit
40-80 is the critical number. Overtaking on a 2-lane, or highway on ramp acceleration. Most people never launch their cars.
rhinoscopy_killer@reddit
Lol, I can tell that I'm so worn out by the constant announcements of super and hyper cars that I didn't even know what the W1 was and had to google it (despite remembering after that I saw posts about it just a week or two ago).
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
Supercars have never been attainable for ordinary folks - there's far more posters of them on childhood bedroom walls than there are actual cars in reality.
They're still interesting as an engineering curiosity, much like fancy mechanical watches. But most people know they're realistically going to be no more attainable than buying the Mona Lisa, so getting into pitched arguments about them or obsessing about every little detail doesn't inspire the same joy in an adult than it does in kids.
There's people who obsess over other big machines like aircraft, trains or ships - and while that kind of thing remains a passion for many, the obsession does fade with age and replaced by an appreciation for what they represent.
Vhozite@reddit
Tbh unless they’re doing something truly unique with the powertrain I wouldn’t give most of them even that.
ProjectZeus4000@reddit
There's much more to engineering a car then the powertrain.
The aero, chassis, and integration of the W1, f80 and tourbillon are all really pushing the boundaries.
Much much more do that supercars.
Nothing in the revuelto/296 etc are as interesting
unmanipinfo@reddit
A purpose built race car is far more interesting than a cookie cutter elite persons product anyway. Plus acting like it's some achievment to just buy a super car, as if you yourself did anything, is pretty annoying.
AnonymousEngineer_@reddit
I suspect a good amount of people who buy expensive cars did something to earn enough money to buy it in the first place.
Yes, there's probably a chunk of generational wealth floating around too, but let's not fall into the trap of pretending that everyone driving around in high end machinery is some kind of trust fund kid.
unmanipinfo@reddit
That's not what I said, I meant like an achievement automotive wise. Look how much of a car guy I am, my car has 900hp. Yeah, you just paid for it.
IknowwhatIhave@reddit
I disagree. Top Gear even did a segment on 10,000 GBP supercars a while back - those same cars are now huge money.
There aren't really any cheap depreciated supercars these days like there were in the 70's, 80's, 90's and even 2000's.
Instagram and auction houses have managed to make even dirt, rust and extreme neglect a selling point that increases the market price...
Conscious-Lobster60@reddit
Those fancy mechanical watches are pretty easy to replicate for less than $100— come have fun with us on r/chinatime
lee1026@reddit
What’s the point, when it all gets outperformed by a $5 Casio?
hotbuilder@reddit
You don't get to feel smug and superior towards both people who buy cheaper watches than you and people who buy more expensive watches than you if you buy a casio.
itsRickPierce@reddit
I think it's totally about getting older. When my friends and I were in our mid-30s, that's when the "I don't really care about hypercars" kicked in for us. Seemed to hit us all at once.
mrteas_nz@reddit
It's also about the increasing frequency of new hypercars coming to market...
Every other week there's a new McLaren, Ferrari, Rimac, Lamborghini, Koenigsegg, Bugatti with a million horsepower that's made out of pure adamantium and cost north of $2m. Limited run of a couple dozen / few hundred.
martinivich@reddit
Honestly maybe it hits us at this age that we're never going to be able to drive them
Salsalito_Turkey@reddit
That's definitely part of it, but there's also the fact that these cars have gotten astronomically more expensive.
The Ferrari F40 was $400k in 1992 (equivalent to $900k in 2024). The F80 is going to cost $4 million. I know the 1992 prices is unobtainable for the overwhelming majority of people, but mentally and emotionally there's still a big leap from a $900k car to a $4 million car.
The Mclaren F1 was $815k in 1994 ($1.7M in 2024). That was the baddest car on planet earth at the time. A Koenigsegg or Bugatti today will cost double or triple that amount.
aheartworthbreaking@reddit
Unrelated, but how do you like your XE? I got a XF S Sportbrake at a salvage auction and it’s finally almost ready to go back on the road and I’m kinda excited
Mojave_Idiot@reddit
Not that guy, but I rented an XE S on a little vacation out of Glasgow up to Inverness and back, and I loved that car. Infotainment sucked but everything else was awesome.
The Sportbrake should be a great car, especially to carry your big balls around running one of those with a salvage title
aheartworthbreaking@reddit
It’s been a long road that’s for sure (I got the car in April) but it’s almost done. The accident fucked up the front of the car (steering rack, engine cradle, bumper, headlight, fender, hood) but I’m looking forward to trying CarPlay and Android Auto since my Charger doesn’t have it. It’s also cool to have a car rarer than a 918 in the US.
Mojave_Idiot@reddit
CarPlay is awesome. You’ll love the car. We were cross shopping that against the polestar in my flare when I was buying my wife our 10th anniversary gift.
What color is it?
aheartworthbreaking@reddit
Loire Blue/Dark Sapphire (depending on the year) over a brown interior
Salsalito_Turkey@reddit
I agree with u/Mojave_Idiot. The XE's infotainment system is hot garbage but I'm willing to forgive that because of how fun it is to drive. I love that engine so much and I'm really sad about the demise of Jaguar as a brand. I'd absolutely buy a new XE with exactly the same chassis/powertrain and refreshed styling/infotainment if Jaguar had decided to make one.
aheartworthbreaking@reddit
Is yours the 3.0 SC V6?
Salsalito_Turkey@reddit
Supercharged V6, RWD, British Racing Green. I love it.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
They have also gotten faster while speed limits haven't. You can play with an f40 in a way that is fun on a public road. Good luck doing that with an f80
NePa5@reddit
Still is to some people (me included, with the Senna and Vulcan close behind)
ThisGuyKnowsNuttin@reddit
At 18 I figured one day I would be able to afford a Ferrari.
Now at 45, I know that even if I came into big money tomorrow, I still wouldn't get to buy a hypercar cause you need to "have a relationship" with the company already.
Ferrari are so far up their own arse, I'm more likely to walk on the moon some day than own an F80.
darkgod25@reddit
Lmao this have a relationship with a company to get a hypercar isn't exclusive to Ferrari
LC_Fire@reddit
No one said it was. The point is its fuckin stupid.
darkgod25@reddit
why would they give their best cars to people who have no buying history over people who are loyal to the brand for years?
LC_Fire@reddit
Why wouldn't they give their cars to a paying customer? What the fuck does loyalty to a brand matter?
darkgod25@reddit
Demand the is far bigger than supply and most of the customers of supercar brands are repeat customers
LC_Fire@reddit
Still garbage. Already inaccessible cars due to price are more inaccessible due to corporate fuckery. No thanks. There's a good reason both them and porsche aren't on my consideration list for my next car.
darkgod25@reddit
Well you can still buy the standard models like the sf90 or 296
LC_Fire@reddit
That's exactly the issue. Those aren't the models I'm after.
Sfekke22@reddit
Because you’re a paying customer? It’s like denying someone at an expensive restaurant because their dad wasn’t in the aristocracy.
Plazmatron44@reddit
It's still ridiculous.
flatgreyrust@reddit
If I won the lottery tomorrow I’d probably just get like a Toyota Avalon if they still made them lol
Firenze-Storm@reddit
I'd buy the Celica gt4 I've been pining over for years.
barkingcat@reddit
I would just get a nice truck. those things are expensive lol.
Smash_4dams@reddit
Same. Thought one day I could get my hands on an F355 till I found out about the constant engine-out maintenance.
large-farva@reddit
That's the worst part, these cars were awesome potential are going to go to that guy that already owns a huge collection that he doesn't drive
d0nu7@reddit
It’s such a waste of our engineering talent as a species… although some things do trickle down if these guys were focused on making economy cars they would probably have 10 more mpg by now.
Ok-Business2680@reddit
Ferrari actually has the best system for selling limited run vehicles.
Ok-Business2680@reddit
https://imgur.com/a/04Jsz6P
Mojave_Idiot@reddit
This dudes literally calling me a broke midwesterner in DMs
Sugrats@reddit
Looks like you were lying?
Mojave_Idiot@reddit
Looks like I must be, suspicious second Canadian personal finance Pokemon tcg account.
No, I hit ignore, and it went away. Your reaction is pretty helpful for my case though.
Sugrats@reddit
Looks like a lier to me....
Ok-Business2680@reddit
still waiting for you to post the proof.
WarDEagle@reddit
Give it a rest. No one cares.
Ok-Business2680@reddit
Post it.
redskellington@reddit
I could buy one...but I won't.
You reach the point where you know for sure that the pleasure gained from a car is limited, while the money needed could be spent better somewhere else.
Supercars and uncomfortable, unreliable, very expensive to maintain, you worry about the paint, you worry about getting carjacked, you worry about getting hit because you are so low that other cars have a hard time seeing you (especially trucks), etc..
And normal cars have gotten very fast for a lot less money.
Yotsubato@reddit
I had the opposite effect.
If I make some changes in my financial priorities I can afford a modern V12 Lamborghini. It would delay saving a down payment on a California house by 2-3 years though.
Do I want one now? No. I would rather spend 60-80k and get a mid engine Corvette that can do 99% the Lamborghini can on regular streets. And I would be comfier doing it.
As far a daily driving? My 2023 gx460 offers everything I need and want.
jrileyy229@reddit
Correct, at a certain point you realize Delusions of grandeur are a waste of brain cycles.
FixTheWisz@reddit
It's funny that I usually associate grandeur with endless monetary wealth for the sake of having more than the next guy, regardless of whether or not it makes any sense. These hypercars are just too much in terms of usable power.
Like, I've played enough Gran Turismo to know that wringing out anything with 600+ hp, even on a racetrack, is going to result in some sort of off-track incident in short order unless you share the same blood as The Stig. Personally, I find that attainable limit thresholds to be much more appealing, so that's where my interest ends.
namegoeswhere@reddit
Same. It's way more fun to toss a little Fiat 500 turbo around than an M3, in my experience. You can bounce the Fiat off the rev limiter in 3rd and still be going about 50 mph, lol.
Slow cars driven fast, and all that.
BuckManscape@reddit
I’ve owned both a 1993 lx 5.0 mustang and a 2018 gt. The 93 was so much more fun to drive. It felt fast. The gt had probably 150 more hp, but didn’t feel especially fast. Modern nannies take all the fun out. I think all the extra weight is a big factor as well.
CoooooooooookieCrisp@reddit
If you are ever able to do one of those driving experiences where you overpay to drive 3-5 laps on a race track, I'd recommend it. It was one of the cooler experiences I've had and probably the best gift my wife has ever got me.
Specialist_Ad9073@reddit
Depending on where you live, you can rent some high end stuff.
Jkcanwien@reddit
lmao
Moddelba@reddit
That’s it for me. Once the reality of my life hit me and I knew I’d probably be in a certain bracket of vehicles the rest of my life unless I have a rich, sick, old uncle I never heard of that leaves me money I stopped caring about most cars.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
In my 30s. Its once I could start to afford fast cars that it became moot. I can't drive my viper 180 without going to jail. I can barely mess with its power without a ticket.
Why lust over some convoluted hypercar that you'd have to drive like an old lady to not see prison?
dinkygoat@reddit
Totally. Even when I was younger I didn't really care much, maybe I was just old at heart the whole time, but at least I would appreciate them for their artistry and engineering, but I didn't go out of my way to learn specs and 0-60 times and whatever else because it didn't matter. As I hit my 30s, my give-a-fuck-o-meter about exotics is at an all time low. I skip Doug's videos that are about Ferrari and Lambo 9/10 times - maybe something a bit more exotic like a Pagani would get me to click, but that would be purely for the novelty of it.
__chairmanbrando@reddit
Hell, in getting older I think I'm growing out of cars more or less entirely. I watched BigTime's recent video about prepping for a track day, and midway through I was like, "...I have zero interest in dealing with any of this nonsense." Just give me a decently cool daily on coilovers and nice wheels and call it done. Cars are too fiddly, too complex, and too expensive to mess with anymore. Even if you get yourself an NA Miata for the track, all the requisite bullshit required to make that happen doesn't have much of any appeal anymore. D:
Multifaceted-Simp@reddit
Hypercars weren't a thing when we were younger, they started with the 918, laferrari, veneno, p1 imo
Equivalent-Money8202@reddit
f40 was the hypercar. The f1 def also was. Porsche Carrera GT, Ferrari Enzo and Mercedes Mclaren SLR were also the original trinity.
Ferrari at least agree. It goes F40-F50-Enzo(F60)-LaFerrari(F70)-F80 for their flagship vehicles
JC-Dude@reddit
The term hypercar was coined when the Veyron was in its heyday. Retroactively you could slot the McLaren F1 into that, but anything before that and between the F1 and Veyron were supercars.
clutchthepearls@reddit
Yup. I'm 40 and would get FAR more excited to see your Z31 driving around than a standard Lamborghini.
flatgreyrust@reddit
Most excited I’ve been to see a car lately was an early 80’s AWD Tercel Wagon. Thing looked like it just rolled off the showroom floor and this dude was just driving around in it.
breadman03@reddit
You should have heard my reaction to seeing a Subaru Justy the other day 🤣
burntrubrmallet@reddit
I saw an AMC Eagle a couple weeks ago that was in really good shape and almost had to pinch myself to see if I was dreaming. And yes...it was brown.
specialcommenter@reddit
Back then there were less cars. I lost count of how many different types of Ferraris and mclarens there are.
Marranyo@reddit
Try to memorize how many different Mercedes there are.
Mimical@reddit
The catalogue for a lot of major brands is pretty significant at this point. It also doesn't help that a lot of supercars have had the exact same shape for like 20 years now.
I would admit that it's possible I'm a little more jaded now. Anything with a limit run price tag that is sold out before even being made while regular ass cars are becoming unreachable with normal income is getting frankly depressing.
t-poke@reddit
Same here, I was at that age when I stopped really caring.
Sure, a new 4 million dollar Ferrari is cool and all, but as an adult, I'm more interested in what's out there for me when it comes time for me to buy a new car. I'm far more likely to watch a review of the latest mid $30k sedan than some hypercar because I always like to keep a short list of potential new cars in the back of my head in case a tree falls on my car.
Equivalent_Chipmunk@reddit
I used to watch reviews of $50-70k cars and thinking "can't wait until this is 10 years old and I can afford it"
Now that I could afford one of those cars new, I still think that, because I'd rather spend the difference on travel or other experiences. Driving a used GTI and taking regular international vacations is far better to me than owning a new Golf R and not being able to afford those trips.
darkhelmet1121@reddit
When you find out about the guys who actually own them.... Besides the YouTube personalities, they rarely leave the garage
Ftpini@reddit
It was less about my age and more about HyperCard going from being $300k to being $3M. The price inflated at an absurd pace and went from being something that would be completely bonkers to buy to being something I could never possibly afford. Closing the door of possibility completely negated any interest I once held.
Dan_E26@reddit
Shit I'm 25 and I haven't ever given a hoot about hypercars. I'll never be able to afford one, so why do I care that the latest DB-puro-revuelto-superleggera can hit 60 in 1.8 seconds?
BrunoEye@reddit
They were fun when I was a kid playing Gran Turismo and I could count them all on one hand.
MustangEater82@reddit
I didn't even like them then...
Cessnaporsche01@reddit
I think it's partly that, and part that there are so many of them now.
Like, the last major hypercar heyday before the 2010s was the late '80s and early '90s with the Group B/C/GT1 homologation cars alongside crazy road cars like the Testarossa, EB110, XJ220, F1, and even the Viper and ZR1. But the scale of that boom pales in comparison to the last 12 years or so.
After the holy trinity came out, it seems like things went off the rails. Every sports car and boutique manufacturer seems to have a supercar/hypercar available for astronomical prices, and some (looking at you, McLaren and Lambo) have released like 20 each all on the same platforms.
So not only do they all start to feel samey, they feel samey while also being even further from out poor, plebian grasps than ever. And unlike many of the super/hypercars of old, these will never be attainable. They're speculators investments, and even the most pedestrian will never fall into the hands of non-ultrawealthy enthusiasts the way many older supercars did.
exposarts@reddit
I still like certain hyper cars but more so for their sound rather than their look. A good sounding engine will always get me
ihatejailbreak@reddit
Me too, yet I've only turned 23 last month 😅
RazingsIsNotHomeNow@reddit
Nah, it's not just getting old. Those normal supercars are equally unattainable, but they are more interesting. The big issue is that the hypercars don't do anything interesting for how exclusive they are. Just look at the competition within the same company. When the LaFerrari released in 2014 Ferrari's fastest car was the 458 speciale with 597 hp. The 950hp LaFerrari had 60% more hp and was clearly revolutionary with its hybrid powertrain.
The P1 was a similar story with 903hp vs 607 for the MP4-12C, a 48% increase.
The F80 has 1184hp vs the SF90's 986hp, only a 20% increase. They are both 3 motor hybrids but what's worse is the F80 comes with a V6 vs the V8 in the SF90. Even then they only managed to get it to be 200lbs lighter. If the F80 wasn't limited would anyone really pay 3.5 to 6 times the price of an SF90?
It simply doesn't have the wow factor for people to be impressed. Same with the W1.
JC-Dude@reddit
Ferrari also came out just a couple of years ago with the SP3 Daytona, so a new multi-million Ferrari is no longer a once-in-a-decade thing. Same with McLaren. They made like 5 or 6 ultimate series cars between the P1 and W1.
Careful-Combination7@reddit
There's also soooo many more of them.
nukleabomb@reddit
There were a lot before too. You just wouldn't hear about them or they would just die out before production. Now you have the internet.
Remember when you had to wait for Autoshows to learn about new cars??
FixTheWisz@reddit
I don't think that's the case. Let's go back to 2000 when, off the top of my head, we had...
That's it. Maybe there's 1 or 2 that I'm forgetting, but today we have, I don't know... 20 different cars?
mini4x@reddit
I'm sure there are more.
JC-Dude@reddit
Only 1 of those is a hypercar.
nukleabomb@reddit
There were the Koenigsegg CC8s, the original Bugatti 16.4 Veyron, vector m12, Ascari kz1, Mosler Mt900, Noble M12 Spyker C8, Porsche Carrera Gt, TVR Speed 12, VW W12, Ford GT.
And these are just the ones that still have a digital presence (in video games and general talk). These were just between 1998 and 2002.
JC-Dude@reddit
You just covered like a whole decade's worth of cars and most of them are not even hypercars:
Fair
Came out in 2005
Came out 1995
Came out in 2005 and has an E39 M5 engine with 500hp, which is similar to the Ferrari F430. Not a hypercar.
Fair
Buddy, that thing made 310hp when it first came out. The most expensive one made 425hp. How is that a hypercar?
Again, 400hp. Not a hypercar.
Came out in 2004.
Came out in 1996 if you can even call it that, because the car basically doesn't exist. They only made some prototypes and scrapped it.
Not a production car
Came out in 2004, not a hypercar.
BrunoEye@reddit
Most of those are either concept cars, kit cars or just good looking supercars.
I'd only consider the Koenigsegg, Bugatti and Porsche hyper cars.
intern_steve@reddit
Koenigsegg built 6 cars. I can't count that in good faith. You can fit the entire model run in a Wendy's.
X-e-o@reddit
The 2000-2010 period gave rise to a lot of super/hypercars though. Gumpert, Koenigsegg, Bugatti, Hennessey, Spyker, SSC, etc. That's without even getting into the more "traditional" manufacturers producing cars like the Enzo, MC12, Ford GT, Carrera GT...
Still a more manageable number I'll give you that.
Privateer_Lev_Arris@reddit
You think?
bmessina@reddit
Older and generally fed up with the aspirational marketing/advertising that drives capitalism.
arokoutha@reddit
Are people really aspiring to buy a Bugatti? In my mind they were always something to admire from afar, even as a kid I never deluded myself into thinking I would ever step foot in one
_tpscrt_@reddit
The reason for losing interest due to aging is due to economic reasoning, for the most part. When you're 17, you think you can be a multi-millionaire and own an awesome sports car. Then you go to college and start working, get a girlfriend, and realize how expensive life is, and all of a sudden your love of exotic sports cars turns into wanting the most bang-for-the-buck commuter car out there, which is safe, reliable, and inexpensive to own. Sure, we have desires and we indulge them here and there, but I think far too many people blow their money on fancy cars that they struggle to pay.
bmessina@reddit
There are many different reasons for losing interest.
Though it can be argued the other way too - as folks age and careers start to peak and kids are moving out of the house they have more disposable income than ever.
BlakesonHouser@reddit
Great way to put it. Aspirational marketing
In reality their playthings of the hyper rich.
fiero-fire@reddit
I like that I get to fuck around with them in Forza but in no world could I own one. They don't phase me. I will continue to buy jeeps and clapped out muscle cars
lhturbo@reddit
The funny thing for me is, even in car games. I dont even give a shit about exotics or super/hyper cars as much as i like the other stuff. Muscle, JDM, Baja. All super/hyper cars just look and feel the same
Peribangbang@reddit
I'm still young and I'm not interested. I used to love koenigseggs and whatnot but outside of that 3 banger nothing's exciting.
It's all just show pieces now like OP said
rwbronco@reddit
Possibly getting older, but keep in mind when cars like the Countach came out, there may have been a couple other “super cars” out there, but you either never heard of them, or they came from Ferrari, Lamborghini, Jaguar, etc. Nowadays there are a hundred cars you can go buy with over a thousand horsepower - made in Mexico, made in Norway, made in Spain… and since they’re ALL aiming for the same goals, they end up all having similar styling for aero, similar tech for speed, similar tech for braking, etc etc. it’s just which color do you want and just how exclusive do you want to be? 1 of 300? 1 of 4?
A_Right_Proper_Lad@reddit
There are few things I find more cringey than someone saying a car is "1 of
N" because of the color or cosmetic options.rwbronco@reddit
I meant more like the offshoot versions of already limited edition cars - like a Lamborghini that’s even more insane and expensive and they’re only making 3 of them.
But yeah. They say if you shuffle a deck of cards you’ll end up with a deck order that’s never existed before. I don’t think it’s quite the same with cars but saying a classic car is 1 of 12 because of the engine/transmission/color/interior/convertible/limited slip/chrome bumper combination is laughable.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
It’s a combination of getting older and the fact the each generation brings vastly diminished returns. When I was a kid, each generation of superstars were vastly more powerful and faster with new tech like the 959 with 4WD and the F40 with turbocharging and carbon fiber, then paddle gearboxes, hybrid, etc. Then there was the skidpad fight as cars approached 1G of grip and then blew right past that mark. Now we get none of that. They’re all carbon fiber, computer controlled, and have aero, suspension, and tires capable of incredible grip. Plus, electric cars have destroyed any association between noise and performance. My daily driver would beat a F40 in most respects while being painless to live with (the F40 requires new $30,000 fuel tanks every 3 years and an engine out servicing and $10K+ in tires, etc.).
Salt_Ad_811@reddit
It's all kind of silly. Just artificial rarity for a status symbol that will never even be driven hard and you end up with $100k brake jobs and an uncomfortable car to sit in stop and go traffic a few times a year when the weather is perfect. Anything more exotic or high performance than a 911 turbo or Z06 I've lost nearly all interest in.
More_Physics4600@reddit
Yep definitely getting older and realizing you will never make enough money to buy one new. Ferrari 458 new cost $190k, there is no Ferrari out there you can get new for that much or even close to that now.
bludclartninja@reddit
I'm 23 and have never been interested in hyper cars. Dirty diesels and high bhp 4 cylinders make my head turn 😂
tbone747@reddit
I love the looks, engineering, and driving them in video games. That's about where it ends.
Privateer_Lev_Arris@reddit
It's also the world changing. Look around you, things are getting worse every day but somehow more and more hypercars are popping up. I wonder WHY that could be.
RiftHunter4@reddit
I think it's less about getting older and more about maturing as an enthusiast. People seem to appreciate the engineering in hypercars, but no one is lusting after them like we did as kids. We aren't judging from spec sheets anymore. We want to actually drive and Hypercars are at the limit where their drivability begins to be compromised. They aren't for general driving.
Astramael@reddit
Yep, me too. Oh well… they’re not for me.
FordTaurusFPIS@reddit
Fuck you mean getting older I'm 15 and I feel like this
MysticNippleRS@reddit
Probably just getting older, now you've owned a car for a while and seen all the insurance costs as well as the realities of owning a nice car the hypercar stuff is very clearly for the insanely rich, and you're probably more interested in realistic cars
gt500rr@reddit
I more or lost interest when gated manuals dried up and replaced with DCTs. But I'm just weird like that. Only Gordon Murray cooks things up I'm somewhat interested in.
whynotyeetith@reddit
Hyper cars are cool. But making it all you care about is so beyond annoying, one of my dream cars is technically a supercar(71 ford pantera) but I like trucks, I like muscle, sports, rally. It's not my personality it's just like. Oh they're cool
MunchamaSnatch@reddit
It's because they're also 'hyper-unobtainable'. I'll never own one, I'll never drive one, I'll never touch one, I'll never see one. No chance in getting excited about a piece of art seen on a screen that means nothing to your day-to-day. I get excited over stuff I'll see around me because it's cool to see rolling pieces of art around town. The most ridiculous thing I got excited about was the c7 corvettes Black Rose Metallic paint. It's so unbelievably beautiful the way it shifts from black to Burgundy under natural light.
InstantLogic@reddit
As someone who owns a C7 Z06 with a more uncommon color, I should've chosen Black Rose Metallic. It's incredibly underrated.
Fearless-Temporary29@reddit
The hyper fast EV's seem so common place these days , that acceleration times don't mean as much as they once did.
SireEvalish@reddit
Mom said it's my turn to post this next week.
boe_jackson_bikes@reddit
Cool
p1plump@reddit
Agreed with you, OP. Unobtanium and few places in earth where you even can stretch their legs. Plus, miserable daily experience and the awesomeness has worn off.
Put_the_bunny_down@reddit
I fully agree. For me it's also the "0-60 in 2 seconds" so it's basically instantly past there its fun. They all are fun track toys.
I too can't afford any of them but I would way prefer something I can have fun with risking an expensive ticket, and not jail time.
momirfranz@reddit
I dont think I have cared about one since the 918 Concept. From then I started caring about cars I could actually see myself owning one day. When the actual production version came out I really couldnt care less how much better it was than a P1 or Ferrari.
66LSGoat@reddit
Doug Demuro made a comment on his podcast a few month(ish) back. It was to the effect of “if you can’t recognize hypercars, then you aren’t really an auto enthusiast”. I normally really love his show, but that comment burrowed under my skin.
Neither Doug nor his fellow hosts are wrench turning people. He called for help for a flat tire for Christ sake. I’ve been rebuilding old cars, wrenching, and drinking beer with my friends while doing it for almost 17 years. I literally hand built my GTO’s engine and converted my car to manual. My buddies and I are buying a car to build for the closest Gambler next year. I haven’t seen one of us gawk at a million dollar car in almost a decade. We just get excited to see the kind of odd and rare old junk that Doug made his money reviewing. Frankly, it’s irritating to be called a “fake enthusiast” in such a blanket statement.
unretrofiedforyou@reddit
You need to hang out with the type that own the ‘regular’ ‘supercars’ as you say - they do nothing but complain about how there’s ‘too many GT3s’ and how ‘they would all gladly sell theirs for a Ferrari’ Point is the people that actually buy and own those cars you describe do NOT agree with your ‘lack of excitement’. Once you’re actually playing in the automotive food chain (as in you’re moving up there) Ferrari et all don’t care.
Uda880@reddit
Yeah - my local club has a small contingent of F Club guys that is growing every month.
Noilaedi@reddit
Like, people who own Ferraris? Is it really growing that much?
Uda880@reddit
Yes - I guess the next evolution is into Ferraris. Although personally, I'm more of a Aston fan.
SqueezyCheez85@reddit
I love my NA Miata. Every time I see another one I go ballistic on the popup button. It's the greatest. I don't care much for "modern" vehicles anymore.
Halozamus@reddit
Don't worry Andrew Tate will buy the new f80 and rip it through the roads of Romania while smoking a cigar inside it. Along with the new Bugatti, the Revuelto, the Jesko he recently bought, and the Gemera he has on order.
As for the rest of us we can always drive them inside the crew motor fest, Forza, or Gran tursimo
CrankyB@reddit
I feel the same way, I don’t give a shit about many of them for sure. I’m an auto tech and I work on supercars mostly but lots of classics also.
Trub_o@reddit
It's just that meme about seeing the Crown Vic as the perfect car as you get older. I'm only 20 and I'm FAR more interested in a Vic or something like a 90s Caprice than I am modern hypercars
RangerHikes@reddit
If I can't go to a dealership and buy it, it's not a real car. It can still be cool and impressive from an engineering perspective, but cars are things that normal people can buy from a dealer. I don't care about any vehicle that doesn't fit that criteria because it's so irrelevant to me it may as well not exist
TheCountChonkula@reddit
As much as I did like supercars as a kid, for me it’s coming to the realization as an adult these are cars you aren’t ever going to own because because they’re prohibitively expensive to both buy and maintain.
I also feel that supercars especially entry level ones like the R8 and Huracan have become relatively common and I typically see a few a month at least with where I live. They’ll catch your eye for a second then you just move on with your day.
Finally, I find that cars that are built or restored have a bit more of a history and it can be interesting to learn about the car or the owner. Any rich person could go out and buy a supercar, but they can feel kind of soulless compared to somebody just having an old car they’re extremely passionate about.
nico_juro@reddit
I never did, it was really never that interesting
mwwood22@reddit
Yea my lottery cars are updated classics like an old Land Cruiser, wagoneer, Bronco, Singer Porsche which is kinda hypercar but looks old and might still be a bit much. Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Porsche, etc think I’d just be embarrassed.
ballsacagawea69@reddit
I agree that more "regular" supercars (like an R8) and high-end sports cars like the 911 GT3 are more interesting. It's not super impressive to have all these crazy high-performance vehicles when the price is so high. The real engineering challenge is developing performance at a reasonable price. These new hypercars feel like they're just selling some of the output from the R&D team.
mikeycp253@reddit
This is why the C8 ZR1 is such a big deal. That amount of performance for (presumably) well under $200k is an incredible feat of engineering.
Sohcahtoa82@reddit
With dealer markup, it's gonna be over $200K
mikeycp253@reddit
I guess? That’s not really the point at all.
Plus lots of dealers don’t do markups. The one I work at doesn’t, and we sell a lot of Corvettes.
Nikiaf@reddit
The gap between the supercar and the insanely fast, but still somewhat realistically priced sports car has been closing for a long time. I think that's why these supercars, or hypercars or whatever we want to call them now; just don't feel all that special anymore. When a 911 is 80-90% as fast as the halo cars of the highest-end brands, what's even the point anymore? At least you can daily drive a 911.
BannytheBoss@reddit
I'm not excited about new cars at all anymore due to the lack of privacy. Hypercars may be cool but all of this government mandated telementary shit is tracking your driving habits and now most cars are always connected.... fuck that shit.
l5555l@reddit
Definitely. It's like yeah they're cool but they're more like a rocket ship than a car. I'll never be able to drive one or even see one outside of a damn video game lol.
Karmaqqt@reddit
I feel the same. It’s cool tech and engineering ofc. But it’s just not practical and even obtainable. I would be hard pressed to even get a chance to drive one.
It’s definitely a getting older thing, in high school I loved them. Now a days I’m getting hyped for a new hot hatch lol.
sayzitlikeitis@reddit
I think some credit for this belongs to the Lambo Aventador. It is like the F-150 of supercars.
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
It is circle jerking because it's been posted 10000 times.
That being said. I completely agree. More impressed by what engineers can accomplish on limited budgets than completely unlimited resources on a car I'll never see.
Ok-Parfait8675@reddit
Yeah the budgets for these things are so inflated they're not even impressive. If you give a competent builder a couple million bucks and all they do is some weird alien body fab and slap a known power station in it, no one should expect anything less than a 1500 HP clone.
mikolv2@reddit
Do you not realize that what excites you doesn't happen without hypercars? Before engineers can accomplish anything on a limited budget, they must first research and create these things on an unlimited budget, only then refine and cut costs.
reddegginc@reddit
Every few months like clockwork
This was from the first page of Google listing for “Reddit cars excited hypercars”
https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/p0ilpa/anyone_else_not_really_care_about_superhyper_cars/?rdt=44698
https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/pfutk0/is_anyone_else_sick_and_bored_of_all_these_1m/
https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/18unrrx/has_anyone_else_kind_of_just_stopped_caring_about/
https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/cxi8lp/do_you_give_a_shit_about_supercars_and_hypercars/
https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/dc2iyz/i_think_expensive_new_cars_arent_exciting_me_too/
https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/eun027/is_anybody_else_just_over_the_super_cars/
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
It's a fair question to ask when people are going wild for them every time they come out. The amount of wow supercar cool threads definitely outweigh them
reddegginc@reddit
The alternative to what you’re saying is to ignore new super car/hypercar releases on a web forum specifically geared towards talking about cars
superdude4agze@reddit
Need to cross reference the timing of them and then see what supermegaultrahypercar came out right around the same time.
2fat2flatulent@reddit
Is the "you're not the only one" bot still active?
Vhozite@reddit
I think that only responds to “DAE” posts. Like it has to have that exact phrasing
reddegginc@reddit
Not sure but I hope so lol
2fat2flatulent@reddit
Just tried it. It still works xD
UncleSnowstorm@reddit
But a lot of the cost is research, not building it. So they can absorb the costs on hypercars and then they can use their learnings on other cars. Eventually the tech filters down.
nicholys@reddit
Counterpoint is not as much of that hyper car technology filters down as we think.
Would also say that a lot of the modern mass market cars have benefitted more greatly from high cost research spent of them. Think of all the advancements in safety and NVH your post 00s CAD CAM car benefits from. Great money was spent on the grounds they could put that tech in millions of cars, and to optimize it for mass production, would say that's just as, and maybe more impressive.
03Void@reddit
Exactly. I'll never own an hyper car but I like the technology development going into them. Some of it will inevitably trickle down into normal commuters and cheap sports cars. Just look at turbos. It started as a racing technology or something you'd find in very expensive sports car, now if you're shopping for a SUV you'll have a hard time finding one without a turbo.
MellowMartiann@reddit
I agree with this, but do not have downvoting in such a lighthearted area of concern, upvotes and downvotes are to be carefully considered and casted, not willynilly like. It actually goes against reddiquette
64Olds@reddit
I agree. I just see them as rich people's dick-measuring devices.
That and they're honestly boring af. They look like the most outlandish Hot Wheels.
Privateer_Lev_Arris@reddit
It is partly you getting old. But it's also a dystopian sign that the rich are getting richer and of course everyone else getting poorer. These "toys" aren't made for you and I. It's not circlejerking, it's the brutal truth that nobody really gives a fuck about other human beings. The rich get rich any way they can (mostly unethically) and then they laugh at you for being poor.
And so what's happening to you is that you're sick at being laughed at. You ogle at hypercars knowing you can't afford them and deep inside you know the filthy rich are laughing at you for being like a dirt-poor kid looking through the window of a candy-shop.
You think to yourself it's insulting and humiliating and you're right.
p90rushb@reddit
I'm kinda hungry. Say, wanna eat the rich?
Privateer_Lev_Arris@reddit
I don't eat junk food
rational_overthinker@reddit
I get more excited seeing a pristine Buick Park Avenue from the early 90's than the garden variety super car.
sparxxraps@reddit
I get more excited to see a first gen grand Cherokee and other older vehicles than super cars or any of that crap
-heavyturkey-@reddit
The latest ZR1 Corvette just broke 230 mph top speed, so now you can have a Chevy with supercar performance. It makes brands like Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti and Koenigsegg seem less impressive to me personally. Plus with all of the super/hyper cars looking so similar (modern Corvette included here), it takes away some of the character these types of cars represented to me when I was younger
Slowstang305@reddit
Because cars have become boring and way too similar. I worked my way to my dream car which was a Viper and I still get excited when I see one on the road. A big V10 in a car that resembles a miata (gen 3/4) and sounds 10x worse than a corvette but hauls absolute butt and looks like a racecar underneath its body panels. Sure I love that. A well put together older porsche 911 heck yes. A new ferrari? Theres one on every corner in Miami, I could care less about them.
thrice_already_today@reddit
I'm so over horsepower, speed, and acceleration. I just want a lightweight balanced chasis that makes cool noises.
xeno_4_x86@reddit
Last neat ones were around 2014 ish. Pagani and Koensiggsiggisggiggsiggsigg I still do a quadruple take though.
OkBus7244@reddit
To be honest, I’m in agreement. Hypercars are cool, but I dunno, I just find myself more interested in weirder cars nowadays.
muscle_car_fan34@reddit
I feel the same way now. The market kinda seems saturated with hyper cars and they’ve gotten so ridiculous that I no longer care. The only high dollar cars that I can’t afford are the Gordon t50 (because it’s a real drivers car), and GT3’s.
The possibly attainable super cars like the viper and z06’s I still love. I too love old super cars like the Ferrari 458, 05 GT, LFA, etc
lazarus870@reddit
I started appreciating cars with "medium" power, and attainable price tags. Cars like the 90's Camaros, fox body 5.0's, DOHC N/A Mustang Cobras, MX-5's, etc.
Feodar_protar@reddit
Part of it is “regular” car performance is getting crazy. A quad motor R1T can hit 60 faster than a P1 and the new F80 is .4 seconds faster than an electric pickup. The ZR1 is 1,064 HP. These insane numbers are becoming less and less shocking and I think we are starting to reach a limit of what a production car is capable of with our current technology.
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
I feel like the diminishing returns really hit a wall after the P1/LaFerrari/918 came out. Since then it's just like cool, another car that can only really be driven at 10% of its ability on public roads.
Crazybonbon@reddit
Yeah. Last ones I cared about were white big three in 2013
mikolv2@reddit
This is the absolute peak of car engineering. This is pushing the boundaries of what's possible in road cars. Pushing boundaries with manufacturing and material choices, with aero and purpose-driven design. This is one of very very very few chances to drive a car powered by a 2x Le Mans winning engine. This is literally as exciting as cars get, this car will be talked about and driven and shared with car enthusiasts for decades to come, and people will swarm the car in 30-40 years at car shows as they do now with F40 for example. You are very misinformed if you think "most of them will never leave their garage". These cars are driven and enjoyed, taken to tracks and shows. La Ferrari with delivery mileage is so rare it always makes the car news when one goes on sale. Most drivers will do a couple hundred miles in them a year.
In the UK where these records are public, the average mileage of a La Ferrari is 2722, on average they do ~300 miles per year and 96.8% of them are registered for use as in taxed, insured, and driven. Of course, no one will put 10k miles a year on it, that's simply not practical considering the cars of this caliber are horribly impractical and whoever gets an allocation for an F80, likely has 20+ other cars.
I'd like to hear more about why you think what you think. Why exactly do you think a facelifted R8 V10 with the same engine it's had for a better part of a decade is more exciting than purpose build racecar designed and built from the ground up? What is it about the R8 facelift that excites you so much?
zhiryst@reddit
I can't even afford to lust after $100k cars. I just want to enjoy looking at cars I know I could someday afford to sit in.
StraightStackin@reddit
They just aren't special anymore. They are dime a dozen. It used to mean something to see a McLaren or Lamborghini, now they are everywhere and produced in larger numbers.
limited editions I like still
Cholosexual-@reddit
I think it’s because they’re compensating for downsized engines with stupid designs, boring hybrid systems, turbos, and a kajillion horsepowers. There’s no passion behind these cars anymore. They’ve lost the plot. (All except Bugatti actually, I disagree with you there. The tourbillion is stupid in the bestest way possible)
Then there’s the price, these cars shouldn’t cost multiple millions, that’s corpos taking over these brands, taking advantage of the fact the ultra wealthy will pay any price for these cars, then justifying it to them because they’ll only make like 5.
PandorasFlame1@reddit
I live near very VERY rich people. I see all kinds of rare and expensive cars every time I get gas. I can say with full confidence that most expensive cars aren't very interesting once you've seen them more than once. The only ones that always catch my eye are the Audi R8, Porsche GT3, and Lexus LFA. I saw a new Lambo pull up in the pump next to me a couple weekends ago and the interior looked like shit. Brand new and it looked like something I'd expect to see in a Charger.
OpenJelly1437@reddit
I stopped caring because now EV family sedans that cost 80-200k can beat hyper/super/mega cars in aceleration so what's the point anymore?
They're beautiful and works of art but that's it,speed is not their thing anymore
opeth10657@reddit
Because acceleration is the easiest thing to boost. That's why if you go to a drag strip, you'll probably find some tuned cars that'll smoke EVs.
Your EV will never sound like a carrera GT or an LFA
strongmanass@reddit
That's similar to how I feel too. ICEVs still have the edge in agility and long distance high speed applications, but it just feels like a matter of time before those metrics are beaten by EVs too. All these new hybrids just feel like incremental improvements until Rimac or whoever gets the weight down and just obliterates everything. I don't care about the drama of engines and the like though, so my opinion is probably not very common.
kers2000@reddit
ICE cars are going down the Rolex path: a smartwatch is better in everyway except for the craftsmanship of a raw mechanical object. The performance metrics won't matter, but having a V6, a V8 or a V12 is gonna be the objective itself.
strongmanass@reddit
That was basically Henry Catchpole's message on the future of the ICE hypercar when he did his Bugatti Tourbillon video. And if you like engines and their mechanicals then that will be a valuable direction, just like if you like the craftsmanship of mechanical watches then that field provides something that quartz watches don't.
Anachronisms like that don't personally interest me, so I become less and less interested in new ICE hypercars. Electric hypercars do interest me though because there's so much room for those to come into their own and there's notable progress from one generation to the next. Just looking at Rimac from Concept One to the Nevera you see huge improvement.
RevvCats@reddit
I’d be more wowed by a lot of these cars if they handed one over to someone like Car and Driver for an independent lap time. McLaren gave them an Senna and few years ago and it was awesome to see how insanely fast it was around VIR.
Can all these cars cash the checks their marketing departments are writing?
That and limited production runs purely for the sake of making the car a limited item makes me lose interest.
opeth10657@reddit
No more Top Gear to showcase all the new supercars
1981VWSciroccoS@reddit
im not getting old, but i agree. there are so many hypercars out there that i will probably never see, and even if i did i would just think 'ok cool' and get on with my life. might take a picture if i didnt recognise it, but im far more excited to see older cars around. when you see a car thats 40, 50, 60 years old you know that the owner cares for it and it matters to them. when you see a hypercar you know that the owner has more money than sense and wants you to know it. perhaps its precisely because i will never be able to afford to even sit in one that i dont care as much whereas older cars imo look better and i may one day get my hands on. there are just so many hypercars out there now that they all kinda blend together, none of them stand out as looking beautiful or doing anything unique that will ever be relevant to me
PokeGamer025@reddit
I don’t believe I’ve ever seen someone describe my feelings on any matter so well. Same here buddy.
MiataCory@reddit
Almost every hypercar will be shown tail-lights by your mom in a Lucid Air.
EV's kill a lot of the fun with perfect traction control. I'm just waiting on the banana/apple bodied cars since EV's are skateboards. Couple axial flux motors in a miata-sized skateboard could be fun.
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
I still get excited if it's a traditional automaker creation.
I can't give a crap about the 5000 new company EV hypercars.
strongmanass@reddit
It's no different from hearing about companies like Gumpert, Noble, Saleen, Spyker, Caparo, Nilu, Glickenhaus, Oilstainlab, and many more I can't remember. In contrast there are only a handful of electric hypercars and companies: Rimac, Pininfarina which is just Rimac reskinned, McMurtry, Lotus, Aspark, Nio, Yangwang (BYD), and Hispano Suiza.
To each their own, but I personally am far more interested in the electric hypercard because there's much more room for innovation and improvement there.
Dazzling-Rooster2103@reddit
All of those car brands you listed aren't really main stream.
I mean like Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, etc.
Companies that regular non car people know about.
CouncilmanRickPrime@reddit
I mean that's not even a circle jerk, that's just reasonable.
signalfaradayfromme@reddit
Yeah I really don't gaf when I see a Lamborghini, McLaren, etc...
But hell yeah if I see a 30 y/o clean af Corolla.
justaquad@reddit
Thought the exact same looking at the new Ferrari. Could not care less
newsreadhjw@reddit
I agree with you. Hypercars were more interesting when everyday cars were less advanced. I have an almost 20 year old base Carrera with 325 HP and I fetch groceries with it. Nobody looks at it twice. But just looking at specs and performance, that car would have been one of the most powerful cars on the road when I was a kid in the 80s dreaming about hypercars. Actual hyper cars today are so powerful and so expensive you can’t really even fantasize about using them. The hell would I even do with a 1500-HP Bugatti Chiron? It’s cool that it exists, but I’d never want to be responsible for owning one. I still love Porsches because they’re incredibly high performance but very accessible. And old ones can be had for relatively little money, but still drive like a dream. You can thrown them into curves on the back roads and not worry about being financially ruined by an oil change.
Pr1zzm@reddit
I have no vested interest in cars that I'll never be able to afford in my lifetime. So I'm with you there.
Busy_Pound5010@reddit
Before, when you were too young to afford any car, supercars were no more unattainable. Now they are just knowingly unattainable. Same as 50 million dollar homes. You look at them and go “yup those exist” and move on with your day knowing they won’t interfere with your life at all.
ExcellentSinger2288@reddit
Personally I don't considered some cars as super cars like the 911 GTS, to me it feels like a high end sports car. A true supercar in my opinon would be something like the Mclaren Zenna.
hiscapness@reddit
Agreed. I’m (un?)lucky enough to have a buddy that owns a couple and drives - even tracks - the heck outta them. The amount of times I’ve been with him when other wealthy folks dog him for “ruining his investment “ makes my eyes roll so hard you could hear it across the room. If you’re loaded, what does a few hundred k mean to you if it brings you tons of joy? All these dudes could buy any if them in cash, but ROI BRO! The issue is the folks that really buy these things see assets, not enjoyment. Welcome to late-stage capitalism.
Then_Version9768@reddit
Two obscenities in one title is pretty low, bruh. Clean up your language. Also what does "I don't give a fuck of hypercars" even mean? Is English your second language?
Slyons89@reddit
Extremely popular opinion that continues to get more popular.
Partially a symptom of wealth inequality. It used to feel like supercars were pushing technology forward that would eventually trickle down into regular cars for the Everyman. It no longer feels like that.
Repulsive-Host-8759@reddit
Also the fact that with age we know it definitely isn’t worth the money. In fact, money, cars, houses, clothes… none of that shit matters to me. Call me cynical but I’d rather have less to think about and take care of. All those things keep you working for the man, take away from experiencing true life anymore.
I appreciate the engineering more than anything. But it’s all the same now. No big rivalries like Ford vs Ferrari. Just everyone selling luxury items to keep the machine alive. The passion is gone IMO.
Razorbackalpha@reddit
I feel like super and hypercars have kinda just peaked. We will never have the build up for the bugatti Veyron or the 3 way drag race of the LaFerrari, P1, or 918 again. New cars are still cool but there is not a big enough leap in performance or even looks between generations to distinguish themselves. Had to happen eventually but it's sad to see
outsidewhenoffline@reddit
Totally agree.
I think it has to do with the combination of desensitization, increase in number of "hypercar" brands, and content available. I don't necessarily think it's because you/I/we are getting older.
20 years ago, heck even 40 year ago, when a really cool car did something amazing, it was legend. A grown man would ogle over it even though he'd seen cool cars before. There was ethos around it and you might see a few photos of that car in a magazine. You might get lucky and see one at an event if you were a die hard and attending those types of things... There might be one Saturday morning television program that featured a special on a new exciting car due to it's technological advances. Releases happened slowly, periodically, and it made waves because it was special and so uniquely different than the standard cars, and even luxury cars of the times.
Now, there are traditional vehicles, sports, and luxury cars that are very, very good. The gap between un-obtainium and the traditional is smaller than ever in terms of value, yet the prices are further apart than ever. On top of that, there are now dozens of hypercar manufacturers each releasing something "interesting" every 2-5 years compared to just a few in operation two decades ago. And when todays manufacturers do release something, they release it alongside millions of dollars worth of marketing content to be consumed, regurgitated, and analyzed until their next model comes out.
There's no mystery, no excitement, no drama, no lore. It's just one hot wheels design after another, each with higher performance specs and price tags than the last... The formula is wearing thin.
PartneredEthicalSlut@reddit
I just want to purchase a R34 or R35 as my weekend car. My Raptor is paid off so what else am I going to do? Put money into retirement? Pssshhh.
Askee123@reddit
E6x generation m6 or m5 with an f1 exhaust > garage queen hypercars
yuriydee@reddit
As a teenager I liked them and followed the news more closely. Now I also dont really care for them. They still look really cool, but ehh. I think once I got my M2, I understood that those cars are completely out of my reach financially so I dont even think about them anymore.
preruntumbler@reddit
I think they are exactly that. They’re proof of concepts. They’re displaying the absolute leading edge of what a vehicle can do/be. When Koenigsegg showed off their carbon wheels I was like WTF that’s rad. Then a few years later they were available on (limited) ford Mustangs. That’s what you should expect to see on other aspects of a hyper car as well. Lighter carbon weave patterns, new exotic materials, etc. The useful stuff with trickle down.
Whitey90@reddit
Dat grammar do
catheterhero@reddit
For me, I like the quentesstial “slow cars that feel fast”.
Give a good 4 cylinder car with a turbo that kicks in at 3000 RPMS and that to me is much more fun to drive that a hyper car that I would never drive its limit.
Athanatos173@reddit
I'm 52 and stopped caring decades ago.
These cars are generally targeted at the 1% of the 1%.
Not to be presumptuous, but I'm fairly certain many here could possibly afford some super cars, I'm also equally certain that nobody here has either the wealth nor the connections needed to buy these hyper cars.
deezgiorno@reddit
all the boomers are socializing today
BipedalWurm@reddit
There's enough that you can't keep track of them all and traction being the limiting factor that it is and they've gotten stagnant. They've had time to make and refine all the workable shapes, electric motors don't carry the same drawing power or company following, they've peaked.
The golden age of combustion cars is now, any real advancements left lie behind tire technology.
Vivid-Tea6608@reddit
I think that your comment about the concept cars is true but a good thing! This just means that cars are really pushing the boundaries of what they can do. I think that all the new hypercars are awesome and deserve the praise they really aren't getting.
Vantage_007@reddit
The F80 release made me feel exactly the same way.
I think the last Ferrari that truly got me excited was the 458, the last Lamborghini would be a gated Murciélago, and the last "hypercar" maybe... an Enzo?
I am also a 70 year old in a 35 year old's body...
aaayyyuuussshhh@reddit
I've completely lost interest in supercars and hypercars. I genuinely have ZERO interest in driving or seeing one IRL, let alone reading about them. There are just way too many releases nowadays and you can find everything about them on YT, etc. Their is no mystery to them. Also I know I'll likely never be able to afford one. I'm way more interested in cheap rare cars. Also companies like GM and Porsche are able to have their cars performance as good or sometimes better than cars costing a lot more. Also most new cars are turbo and sound like crap. All automatic and AWD, I want a raw experience. I want fun. Cars like the the new Bugatti with the N/A V6 have me pumped up but most other cars is a "meh". Lastly cars like the Ioniq 5 N have proved that EV is likely the future and can be fun with all the fake simulated stuff
I also just have different goals in my car hobby. I wanna do autocross and other racing. Maybe attempt the cannonball run? How about try some off roading, etc. Dont care about going fast in a straight line or showing off.
MustangEater82@reddit
I've always been like that for awhile.... they are cool.
Frog_Prophet@reddit
It’s because their performance is just a slight improvement over what’s come before.
geemav@reddit
First sentence "I would absolutely get excited to see one on a public road or museum" ... immediately negates what you said - do give a fuck? And that's okay :)
Actraiser87@reddit
Once I became aware of money and the fact that I will never afford those vehicles I stopped caring. I can appreciate them but that’s about it.
hamoodsmood@reddit
Totally agree with you. The hypercar segment has lost its luster.
The F80 was the final nail in the coffin and it showed how “meh” the cars are.
I love the normal cars so much and not even the track variants
The f8, 296, artura, 750s etc are all awesome. Agree with the RS sentiment of Porsche. All these super track version cars and the hypercars are making the “normal” supercars seem so much cooler and more interesting.
Strange honestly
TheScummy1@reddit
I never liked supercars or hypercars to begin with. A lot of the older ones with gated shifters or stripped down ones like the F40 were cool, even cooler to see irl.
I did and still do get much more excited by seeing pretty much any 80s/90s car. I'd rather see a 90s civic slammed to the ground with a fart can than a Lambo any day of the week.
Hujopaz@reddit
It’s amazing engineering and performance sold not for its designed purpose, but to exist as an asset for an exclusive club of people that don’t care.
Simple_Eye_5400@reddit
For me it’s not just the fact that they are often 1M+ dollar cars anymore, they also don’t come across as much more technically impressive than the Porsche GT3 RS.
It’s just a big engine with a body kit on it
Syscrush@reddit
I'm so with you. Since you could order a Camry with 300 hp, supercars and hypercars are meaningless, IMO. All I care about now are interesting cars.
Wonderful_Device312@reddit
Hyper cars were cool when it was just like the Bugatti and the Mclaren F1 and a handful of others. Those cars reigned as the champions for years and there was an element of the companies saying "Fuck it. We're building this because we want to show off what we can do. Money be damned". There was a story and emotion involved.
The last few years? There's multiple "hyper cars" announced per year. The emotion has shifted to "Oh look, another car for rich assholes to show off with." The story behind them is just an Instagram marketing campaign. How many times have we gotten the "Last gas powered hyper car", "the last v16/v12/v8", "the last stick shift" etc. The emotion is gone.
avboden@reddit
For me it's more like "oh it's that amazing? I mean for 3 million fucking dollars it better be"
mr_lab_rat@reddit
I feel similar. When I was a kid I admired super cars because I couldn’t afford a Ford Fiesta so it made no difference what I dream about.
When I was old enough to drive I still looked up to the supercars because I could see how much better they are compared to the low end cars I could afford (Honda CRX).
Now that I can afford a $100k car I spend more time looking in that price range rather than something I know is out of reach (currently have the 1st gen M2).
vhalember@reddit
Hypercars are cool, but as a normal person... they're unattainable, so I'm not going to spend much time fawning over them.
LookMinimum8157@reddit
Such a controversial opinion on r/cars
Hoovooloo42@reddit
Nah, I agree. It's hard to get enthusiastic about a rich man's functional sculpture that costs more than most people make in a lifetime.
crunch816@reddit
You know what ruined it for me? Chevy making an affordable “supercar” that you see once every mile on the road and at least one in every trailer park.
RodeoJr@reddit
It’s so far removed from 99 percent of our reach I just ignore it. Seems only ones able to afford them are Uber wealthy and social influencers which makes me even less interested
pHNPK@reddit
They are the completely unatainable circlejerk of the automotive world and have only gotten worse over the last 30 years.
But take it a step futher, as someone who owned muscle cars (Nova SS) Camaro Z-28, and currently drives a 300 hp Cadillac with Northstar v8: I don't even care about the step below, that is, majorly overpriced "performance cars" like the cadillac cts-v/blackwing, camaro v8s, corvettes, hellcats, etc.
These cars are completely unobtainable to the average person, and they are way more than anyone ever will need.
The cars that excite me are ones that are affordable and realisticly fun to drive for the average person: Civic SI manual, Golf GTI/Jetta GLS manual, Miata, Subaru WRX, etc...Anything over 40k is a complete non-starter for me. Under 40k fastest car is probably Tesla Model 3, but that car is kind of a piece of shit and rides like complete garbage, so even that doesn't excite me.
LebronBackinCLE@reddit
I’ve got a hyper car that sears 7 and it’s called the Model X
nukleabomb@reddit
Let's gooo
Weekly circlejerk is backk
DAE Supreme taste wagonne manuel brown diesel slow car faste
CouncilmanRickPrime@reddit
Depends.
Is it used from the factory?
ItzMcShagNasty@reddit
Circlejerk in that most enthusiasts agree with you. These cars are investments 99% of the time, never are pushed to the limit, never in the hands of skilled drivers.
They sit in a garage with a cover for the day they are worth enough to sell for the portfolio, they appear at a car show every few years or in the valet lot of a nice restaurant.
Very rarely a nepo baby with no sense will push it on the highway, the least impressive feat, and then total it.
They are pretty to look at but as a concept are no longer interesting due to the targeted demographic and oversaturation.
Manginaz@reddit
Why buy a supercar when you can buy a Tacoma for $70,000?
burntkumqu4t@reddit
Absolutely agree. While a part of me wants to embrace the engineering of the newer tech, I feel like there isn’t any soul in it anymore. A bigger part of me wants to hold on to certain things of the past, because I feel like I haven’t even experienced them yet
goaelephant@reddit
The only one I like is the Pagani Utopia because its rear wheel drive, twin turbo V12, 7-speed manual with a dogleg first gear
AznTri4d@reddit
Can we just pin a post about not caring about hypercars anymore. I swear there's a post about it every week maybe every day and on every single post about a new car being announced/revealed.
We get it. We can't afford these cars. I can't, you can't etc etc.
I personally enjoy the engineering behind some of these. I totally understand why we are all jaded though. It's because there are more and more toys for the ultra rich and less and less for us regular folk.
It's not like someone is choosing between an F80 or an W1 or a Tourbillon. The fact is the ultra rich are getting one of each.
Meanwhile we have to decide between GR86 or Miata if we want a cheap rwd sports car....
And a Miata is nearing 40k and hard to justify for some people with families and a GR86 gets abysmal gas mileage plus the alleged oil starvation issues.
FWD you have the the Elantra N which is actually great value, but other than that you have a 40-45k GR Corolla that overheats on track and a 50k Civic Type R if you can get it near or at MSRP.
The days of being a car enthusiast and having options from the dealer is over due to wages not increasing to match inflation.
I'll step off of my soap box, but yeah. Can we get a pinned post about being jaded about hypercars. I get it, I get why, but I also still get excited at the upper limits of road cars being pushed.
tiagojpg@reddit
“Plain-old GT3s” damn what a way to bring that down to folk level haha.
somedude456@reddit
I'm simply excited to see anything being hooned. I've never seen any hypercar being beaten on. :(
Pure_Silver@reddit
Hypercars were interesting when they were actually rare and special. Prior to the late 2000s Ferrari turned out one a decade. More than a decade elapsed between the EB110 and the Veyron, and nearly two between the 959 and the Carrera GT. At the moment it feels like every other month someone is announcing a multi-million dollar clean-sheet design, or worse, a tarted-up “special edition” of an existing hypercar.
The market is getting fatigued.
It’s impressive and exciting when someone makes a fast, fun, good-looking car for $100k, because you know that the company had to be clever to be able to give you that experience for that money, and a normal person has some hope of owning one and using it after some depreciation. It’s not nearly as impressive when someone makes a fast, fun, good-looking car for $1m, because you can buy a used fighter jet for $400k that will be a lot more fun and about as much use for actual travel.
SF90Reeve@reddit
Ferrari still only makes about 1 per decade . Its been over 10 years since the Laferrari.
Dopplegangr1@reddit
Modern supercars are not fun, interesting or beautiful. They give up everything to be fast, which means they are all turbo, hybrid, DCT with an ugly aerodynamic shape. A tesla plaid is $90k and is near the fastest car in the world, I don't care about whatever new supercar that comes out with 1000+hp and 0-60 in 2 seconds. Power and speed are easy to come by now. Old school NA V8/V10/V12 with a manual sell for big money because it's cool and people want it. If I had millions I would be buying a Diablo/LFA/CGT/etc not whatever new garbage ferrari or lambo is bringing out
ycnz@reddit
Yeah, who gives a shit about whatever variation of turbocharged hybrid they've built this time? It's precisely as interesting as the various tuned JDM cars. "Oh wow, you turned the boost up how much? Good for you!"
The_Mcgriddler@reddit
I've started to car only about cars I can realistically afford. Anything past the $50k range is pointless, unless I win the lottery I'm never gonna be able to afford them so why care about them?
Bombaysbreakfastclub@reddit
To me it’s weird that you ever cared in the first place.
This is always what Hyper cars have been
Strong_Intern_4757@reddit
As I get older I only care about cars I can afford lol
DonSwagger1@reddit
I thought this huh! Maybe we are all getting old and tired of it
Account14159@reddit
For me it was when they stopped coming with three pedals. Doesn't seem like operating one on public roads would be much more fun than playing a good video game centered around driving.
CTMechE@reddit
I think it's age, as I'm in the same boat. I just don't have the time to keep up with them, and there's so much content generated.
I feel like there's an increase in the number of bespoke hypercars, too. Back in the early 90s you'd get 2 or 3 noteworthy cars a year if that. Now it seems like there are nearly a dozen specialized versions or new models every year, most with no intention of being anything other than someone's collector piece. (As opposed to being a race homologation or even a useful track toy).
desirox@reddit
Agree with you, they’re not really interesting anymore for those of us that grew up in early to mid 2000s
JC-Dude@reddit
Getting old might be a component of it, but I feel like it's moreso the number of hypercars that get released these days. A hypercar debut used to be a big event because you wouldn't get one what feels like every other month.
acog@reddit
I’m an older enthusiast. Supercars used to be a small club of iconic cars. Like the Countach was in production for SIXTEEN years.
And for years it was the lone supercar, until the Testarossa came out.
Now automakers have realized it’s super profitable to target the same 200 billionaires with small run exotics, instead of large runs of cars at a price point that mere millionaires can afford.
IknowwhatIhave@reddit
I agree - it's the same with housing. I'm fortunate that I live near the top of a tall building in the center of downtown. I can see over dozens and dozens of high-rises and the penthouses are all dark and unoccupied. There is only one penthouse I can see that is lived in by two dudes who use their incredible rooftop terrace to throw parties with DJ's, lights, ice sculptures etc.
I have no animosity towards those guys, but I really hate the dozens of other owners who have these incredible places but don't use them and don't rent them - they own them exclusively to keep other people from being able to use them.
Same with supercars and lots of classics - people buy them specifically so they can have something other people can't, and then don't use them.
I'd rather see people flaunting wealth than hoarding it.
WanganTunedKeiCar@reddit
That's definitely a good point. Looking back at the most iconic R&T articles or Best Motoring battles, some of them were supercar shootouts, the meeting of legitimate juggernauts of automotive design and engineering. The top speed tournament where the Ruf Yellowbird made its name had all the greatest cars of the era, and they all went about reaching the peak of the food pyramid in wildly different ways. Boxers, Flat-12s, AWD, twin turbos, a futuristic spaceship, the Countach with its self-sabotaging wing, and a god-damned sedan!
Each of them was somehow pushing the limits of speed with a completely different recipe. And they still got beat by a glorified tuner Porsche that did the automotive equivalent of a pro swimmer's pre-competition shave hahaha.
For me, the details about the small teams of people in charge of creating these oddball supercars, sometimes led by one man's singular focus, just adds to the mystique they had. Lately supercars have gotten stale because they no longer feel, to me, as if they have that personal touch, the mechanical brutality, the aura that made the old heroes great. Sure they can reach slightly higher speeds nowadays, but they're barely exceeding those records beat 30, 40 years prior. What's exciting about a computerized spaceship that looks almost the same as the other spaceships because they're so defined by aerodynamics they lose form?
GVIrish@reddit
This is a fair take, in the past there'd only be 2 or 3 cars in the hypercar class every decade. In the last ten years there's been at least ten.
mini4x@reddit
Then there the 52 iterations of it afterwards, how many different versions of the Veyron or the Murcielago did we get?
AwardImmediate720@reddit
I think this is the other big part. They used to be rare once-a-decade events. Now there's multiple a year every year.
Resident_Rise5915@reddit
They were great cars that lasted for like a decade in the public mind. Now…enh
callacmcg@reddit
This is a big part I think. The hybrid infusion was the last massive jump in performance I remember caring about. Also with modern tooling any car can look like a spaceship, base corvettes look like transformers. Consumer muscle cars with 700hp. Hypercar speeds are being achieved by sedans.
The gap closed, there isn't an other worldly stat sheet for my childish side to gawk at compared to "regular" cars
nonotburton@reddit
It's not age, it's wisdom.
All the super/hyper/whatever nonsense in the world is just noise.
What's important is what you can actually get your hands on, and further, what you would actually want to drive around in.
motorboat_mcgee@reddit
When cars are getting to the point where if you even look at the throttle, you're over the speed limit in most places, they become completely uninteresting to me. But I've long been a fan of "slow car fast" vs putting around in some sort of rocket on wheels
ikilledtupac@reddit
The ruling class have to park all their PPP loan money somewhere.
Famous_Bit_5119@reddit
I've been thinking this for a long time.
You made a fantastic car that costs $2,000,000 ?
For that kind of money, it better be fantastic.
It can do all kids of race car things, great.
Will it ever do those things?
No. because the buyer doesn't have the F1 driver skill that is required, and the car will never leave its temperature controlled garage until it is put up for auction in a couple of years.
randomcanyon@reddit
Remember that most of these cars will end up in a dusty garage in the basement of some Saudi Prince's palace. Eventually.
Wonderful exercise in auto engineering. A joy to look at. But at $4,000,000 how can you drive it and park it anywhere but a bank vault.
A_Right_Proper_Lad@reddit
There are few things I find more cringey than someone saying a car is "1 of
N".Unreachable1@reddit
Can it be my turn to post this tomorrow?
Kavani18@reddit
It’s my turn to also post about how GM and Ford will be going out of business next week
nukleabomb@reddit
Only if you let me post "SUVs bad" on the weekend
IsometricRain@reddit
Nowadays, you're just as likely to see people here say they love their SUVs than the "SUV bad" of old. The vibe has already changed.
nukleabomb@reddit
What about Crossover bad
Ok-Carpenter-8455@reddit
No no let me post about EV sales and how they may or may not be declining then you guys can go post lol
ray-payola@reddit
As long as I get to post about hating safety features and automatic transmissions
cgxIII@reddit
Don't forget the electric handbrake post.
Du_Kich_Long_Trang@reddit
Ive found the opposite here lately. This subreddit talks more about SUVs than performance cars. and not just in a negative way.
SaveTheSticks@reddit
any room for Toyota reliability falling off?
nukleabomb@reddit
We have 7 days in a week sooooo
Jaymez82@reddit
While the horsepower numbers are impressive, I also don’t care. I skimmed an article about the car and didn’t even recognize the other models mentioned in it.
I’m more interested in trucks in general.
mammoth200@reddit
Very occasionally I'll look at some unobtainium, usually some high end Porsche (looking at you, Lazante 935) that's been edited by someone with immense skill and cash, but that's as far as I bother going. Oh and maybe the Gemera, because a practical hypercar appeals to me over some ostentatious bollocks like the tourbillon. Completely wasted on the masses. Even if I was still of 'poster on the bedroom wall' age I'd still not be interested. I can appreciate it as a feat of high end engineering, but it's essentially useless otherwise.
triplevanos@reddit
You’re old and have other things to worry about compared to when you were a carefree kid. You realize how expensive things are and don’t have the imagination to dream like you did about a Carrera GT when you were 8.
shanghainese88@reddit
It’s because the plaid can do 2.3s for <$90k. I really don’t like teslas but this is really a red pill. What good are Hypercars supercars if you’re slower than a battery vehicle?
rpfloyd@reddit
this post again? seriously?
vrxy5@reddit
Totally agree. Nowadays, the cars have become investments, rarely driven, already sold before reveal to the same old buyers.
The Middle Eastern buyers will neglect them or let them rot; most others will store them securely.
All look similar, with similar performance so harder to differentiate.
Maleficent_Lab_8291@reddit
I feel like people love specific eras of cars that they grew up with and that's why they are attached so much to them. And that's ok. I for one enjoy the most is the era of late 2000s, through 2010’s, and early 2020s. As for the hypercars, I am a simple man - I see one, I get excited just because (regardless if I can buy one or not)
bonerJR@reddit
This is a circlejerk we can all participate in
Stabmaster@reddit
Nope I’m right there with you. I’m also slightly annoyed with friends and acquaintances who buy really amazing super cars to drive to meets on the weekends but never on trips or the track. It’s so lame to stand around just to watch strangers look at your car. Go drive!
WadeWi1son@reddit
It might be age but it might also be that you realize you won't be able to buy those types of cars but could possibly buy the middle end sports cars that you describe. That and you would be able to use them more often comfortably. Like you mention the R8 V10 for example which has often been described as one of the best daily super cars plus there are older ones now that are more affordable since they made a lot of them.
VforVenreddit@reddit
Alexander the Great was reported to have said, “Had I not been Alexander, I should have liked to be Diogenes.” Once, while Diogenes was sunning himself, Alexander came up to him and offered to grant him any request. “Stand out of my light,” he replied.
BuckyDoneGun@reddit
OK. I'm glad for you. You're allowed to not like something!
ainsley-@reddit
They just aren’t stricking like they used to be. The P1 was an animal that looked dangerous and the Veyron had this presence about it that you could feel through pictures. The W1 looks fast but isn’t offensive or striking in anyway imo. Every new supercar is just a yawn lately, give an aventador or 458 any day.
SixShotSam@reddit
39 here and I have also lost a lot of interest in hypercars. I still think they are incredible, and would absolutely jump at the chance to experience one. Owning one is a different story. First and foremost, I can’t afford one. Short of winning the lottery, the money will just never be there. Even if I did win the lottery and took home a hundred million after taxes, and had the relationship necessary to buy one of these cars, I still don’t know that I could bring myself to drop $2+ million on a car. Then you start factoring in the actual cost of ownership and I am even further away from owning one. Maybe I could technically afford it, in this imaginary scenario, but all these costs associated with ownership will be so much more than what I am used to on normal cars that I could never feel comfortable. They are amazing pieces of engineering, but at this point, owning one isn’t even an aspiration.
t0mt0mt0m@reddit
Yup. Join us in the kei car community. 😁
Secret_Physics_9243@reddit
They are interesting from an engeneering point of view, but not much else.
passatboi@reddit
As demonstrations of technology, they are impressive. They get a head turn from me when I see one. But the price tag of a car, to me, is agnostic of it's value -- getting something off the lot that is, by default, ridiculously fast and cool looking, feels like you're driving someone else's idea of a dream. It's very hard to impart your own character to something already so complete.
I'm far more impressed by someone's dedication to ricing out a Civic and pushing the platform to its limit. Seeing someone pull a heap of a Camaro from a scrap yard and restore it into a work of art. I want to see your taste (or lack of it) reflected in your car, not the chief designer at Bugatti.
no_user_selected@reddit
As a Fiero owner, I appreciate you.
LoPanDidNothingWrong@reddit
This will invariably be political.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s and the difference, to me. is the wealth divide and lack of social mobility. People bought into the American dream and hypercars were aspirational, one day, maybe, you could own one. That countach poster every kid has was a dream for the future.
After the decimation of the middle class, gutting of education, locking up of social mobility and moves to entrench the rich. Who the fuck cares about what the oligarchs buy?
And I say this as someone who could probably afford one of these cars with only a bit of stretch.
Seven7mk@reddit
Not into bugattis (especially since rimac “acquiring” it). But new one looks cool and deserves praise for multiple things apart from display
Oberst_Reziik@reddit
I'm 25, my dream car used to be porsche 918.
Now it is a CLK 63.
All I see in hypercars is mass produced rarity created by the brands, there are reasons we love the 300SL and old ferraris are expensive AF, they are rare because there are not many of them left and those cars marked generations. Nobody will ever cry for a SSC W1, F80 or those "special edition" 30 Million RR's.
Everything is a scheme, rarity is the most expensive of them
I don't care if your car costs 50k or 1M+, it does not change the person you are
SchrodingersCat6e@reddit
Good news, the ZR1 gives you hyper car speed for super sports car money.
jbahel02@reddit
In rhe end you find out they are all bought by the same 10 billionaire collectors anyway. And they sit on some museum/garage never to be driven again.
11iron@reddit
Can any of them even beat the snot rocket in the 1/4?
no_user_selected@reddit
It's not really fair to compare a Ferrari to a stock block Ford Coyote motor. Ferrari doesn't have a chance.
DoGooderMcDoogles@reddit
Yea, I think for me the issue is that I don't even want any of them. If I had $100M today I wouldn't buy a mansion, I wouldn't buy a ton of super cars, I wouldn't uplift and change my life that much. I don't want to be seen driving one of those things. I don't want to maintain them or deal with a $20k tire changes, or worry about scuffing the $40k front-splitter when pulling into Wendys.
If i was super rich and could afford a 3 or 4 stall garage I might get a Porsche or Corvette or Audi R8, or E63/RS7 Wagon, but meh..... Maybe an S-Class instead.
Still though, I love that the engineering is still being pushed, I'll still watch the reviews and enjoy them if I see them, but I can't "fantasize" about them since I don't even want one.
Vhozite@reddit
Same
My 3 or 4 car 100M garage is roughly
F150 Raptor M3 (G80) S2000 Another S197 Mustang
Maybe add a Fiero to that list and I’m good bury me in the garage lol
IsometricRain@reddit
Go watch the chris harris 911k video and you might want to rethink that list.
2fat2flatulent@reddit
That's how I feel too, but it doesn't help that a lot of the hypercars that come out nowadays exist just to cash in on the hype rather than bring anything new and interesting to the table.
M4roon@reddit
I’ve never cared even as a kid. When I was 15, the coolest car I could imagine was a prelude in midnight purple. Then a 350z, now an m4 or z06. 😍 For some reason Hypercars always struck me as stupid.
Aston Martin being the only exception and that’s not really a hyper car, just getting into stupid cost territory.
julienjj@reddit
You are not alone. I don't even watch their reviews either because most auto journalist these days are just paraphrasing the OE PR dept pre-made article they hand out at press event.
What matters for me to care, can I walk in a dealer tomorrow, order it and have it in the next year made to my specs.
Oh, there is a wait list of many year ! Oh we only sell if you did buy x or y. Let me stop you right there... basically the brand is telling you they industrial capabilities suck. Why should we buy a car you won't be able to make spare parts in reasonably short order ?
Gotta say, some of them got really good at taking money from rich fools.
A mclaren special edition is special till the next month when they make the next special edition.
Same for ferrari. here is the pista one of 50, the stradale, one of 10, the stradale 2+++ pro max one of 20 made on a friday of a full moon.
Over time I gotta say I earned mad respect for the corvette people. Not only do they build exotic level shit that crush most of the field out there, but they will build and deliver 50K of them each year, which is quite an accomplishment too. Meanwhile Porsche can't somehow build enough GT (which are just modified base, same steel/aluminium chassis made on the same line ) cars and will force you to buy 2 GTS convertible and a taycan before you can try to get a gt3 or a gt4.
AlexWIWA@reddit
$50k-to-$100k-coupes-and-sedans is where all of the fun innovation happens.
Future_Khai@reddit
We're old fam. Too many cars being released I will never see in person so why bother being hyped about it.
spongebob_meth@reddit
I stopped caring about exotics when I was like 7 lol. Maybe id have an interest if i were a billionaire, but they're about as interesting to me as a Beverly hills mansion... Oh look at that cool stuff that rich people get to enjoy...
Id rather tinker with my 20 year old junk and cheap bikes.
motolovca@reddit
Same. I think both power figures and amount of aero got to the point when it’s just plain stupid because not a single one of these cars will ever visit a track and will be driven hard there. Not to mention that you can not legally use more than 10% of the power. Doesnt make any sence for me.
kevinisrael@reddit
100000% I never read articles or watch videos about hypercars. If there's no chance I could own one, I'm usually not very interested,
DiaryOfTheMaster@reddit
I don't think you understand what a circlejerk is.
baldw1n12345@reddit
Yup you’re getting old. Welcome to your Carlsberg years.
mega-man-0@reddit
Im more interested in the new Vette - I was born in '76 and the new Vette would have absolutely obliterated everything on the road when I was growing up... and its less than $100K!
Also, I would lose my shit if I saw an '90s Countach Lambo today... I wouldn't even turn my head for most hypercars.
Vhozite@reddit
I grew up hating the Vette but GM has been going crazy with the C8. Making it hard to be a hater haha
LookIPickedAUsername@reddit
With most cars I’m very picky about the color. Like I think the BMW Z4 is beautiful in purple, but doesn’t look particularly special in any other color.
The C8 somehow looks amazing in literally every color it comes in. It’s the only car I feel that way about.
mega-man-0@reddit
Agreed! Honestly, I’m a Ford guy and I love the new Vette!
DanielG165@reddit
I like them because they represent the bleeding edge of automotive engineering, technology, and performance, at least in road cars. Stuff like this always excites me, and I hope that never stops.
swimming_cold@reddit
I will never own one, so I really don’t give a shit about them at all and never did lol
Fast-Pride9418@reddit
Hipercars lost their soul, they all look like AI generated. Which it might be technically perfect, but who cares?
DrBiochemistry@reddit
I'll go further.
I'm sick of hearing "1600 system horse power" or whatever. When the battery runs out in your sprint, you drop down to burning dinosaurs, how much power do you have left?
You're going to take my N/A V8 from my cold dead hands.
Frequent-Finding1848@reddit
It is sad to see marvels of machines that will never be put through their paces.
R_V_Z@reddit
The only hypercar that has actually wowed me in a while is the Speirling.
ZannyHip@reddit
I’ve pretty much always had this opinion. Like yeah those things are cool, but I’ve always had a personal preference for the more accessible cars. Sports cars, tuner cars, stuff like that.
deMaker02@reddit
I just think it's a result of reality hitting, that we might never be able to afford them. So we settle for lower and begin hating what we can't have
samcar330@reddit
They're just so ridiculously out of reach that I care 10x more about 250k cars than 2.5M cars. I could feasibly own the 250k car when I'm older.
ghlibisk@reddit
I feel the same about these million dollar restomods.
dragonitexy@reddit
I -adore- hypercars, but I am absolutely tired of the V12/manual circlejerk
LucidThot@reddit
Yeah I stopped keeping up when the trio left Top Gear. They used to be really cool hypercars coming out like the Zonda and stuff
Nowadays I get excited when I see a V6 Accord. I love me a sleeper sedan - wagon would be cool too.
I'm not THAT old..
King_in_a_castle_84@reddit
Once you've owned a motorcycle that can do 0-60 in 3 seconds and gets 55mpg and it only cost you $7500...you tend to lose interest in a car that you have to spend $75,000 on to do the same and get a third of the mpg.
carsnbikesnstuff@reddit
They’re boring. To me. Give me a cool older car without 26 ECUs and vectoring brakes and clairvoyant suspension. A car that gives me fun sensations and experience (because this is what it’s really about) at reasonable speeds. I’m getting old too.
CeeBus@reddit
Better to drive a slower car fast than a faster car slow. What am I going to do with a car that does 90 in third gear except get speeding tickets.
PrudentPegasus@reddit
Better yet, drive a faster car fast.
Conscious-Lobster60@reddit
This sounds like a ND Miata
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
We live in a world where every other month some new 4-figure horsepower unobtainium is released and a 100k Tesla’s & Lucid can run low 9’s in the 1/4 mile
Over-saturation and an objective closing of gap in performance.
mellofello808@reddit
They completely oversaturated the market.
Since the P1, and La Ferrari there have been about a dozen special edition cars from each brand. It definitely lessens the impact when a new hyper car comes out from their brand.
Then there is the fact that even base models of super cars are already way too fast to ever really experience on a public road, or even most tracks.
rockinlock@reddit
It is circlejerking, but I agree (and I'm only 25!)
Ok_Outcome_9002@reddit
This is a completely reasonable take. What would be unreasonable is if you do what some people do and pretend you literally don’t care at all, like if a Bugatti pulled up next to you, you wouldn’t react. I had a guy on here insist to me that given the choice between taking a super car out for a drive or an 80s Camry, he would take the Camry.
slumber_monkey1@reddit
There should be a racing series for cars like the ones you mentioned
PunjabiPlaya@reddit
Income/wealth inequality is at record highs. These cars exist for people that literally live in entirely different worlds than us.
They're also so insane, that no normal human can extract their potential performance. So instead, why not get something that has a rich driving experience, where you can interact with an engaging transmission hooked up to a fun and exciting motor with an agile chassis?
These cars will never see the light of day. They will sit in a garage and be sold between other ultra-rich people. What's there to get excited about a piece of metal sitting in a garage? These cars have insane performance and are engineering marvels that will never reach the performance they're built to achieve. I think a lot of car guys and gals feel the exact same way.
This car is not for car enthusiasts. It's for shareholders.
Simon_787@reddit
The car I find most interesting is the Hyundai Inster.
It's 3.83 meters short and has two spacious rear seats that can each be moved to trade generous leg room with trunk space.
Yep, that's it.
utechap@reddit
The older you get the more you realize being a car enthusiast is how you can relate to the car. Hyper cars aren’t relatable.
221missile@reddit
I think it has something to do with engines. There was a lot of buzz about the high revving naturally aspirated Cosworth V12s from a couple of years ago. I guess turbocharged V6 and V8s don't inspire people the same way.
Fixitsteven@reddit
I work on supercars, and even my supercar customers don't like hypercars. Most of them drive their Ferraris and Lambos quite a bit, and you can't do that with a hypercar, they quite literally spend more time at the dealerships then on the road. Far too many stories of paganis and Koenigseggs spending several months at the dealership for small issues due to parts availability etc.
My buddy's Bugatti spent a few months at the dealer for a wing sensor. When he got it back he sold it and bought a Ferrari 812, a 2JZ Supra, and a 993 Ruff Turbo R.
F1T_13@reddit
Yeah, I am probably getting old. I don't care about most supercars either. Feels like "same sh¡t new day". Obviously they're getting faster and performance is becoming more accessible but I have just stopped caring, these days I only care about superficial stuff, like design, sound or driving characteristics. The only time I will ever care about a supercar or a hypercar ever again is if it looks more alien/futuristic or striking than the Valkyrie did. That's just me being an old foggy and being hard to impress now. My era is gone or my tastes have shifted maybe. That's fine. I can't be beating on others if they enjoy it ig, to each their own.
Rillist@reddit
Same boat. But whats really grinding my gears is even small or slow cars with any kind of enthusiast equipment is put on some pedestal and treated like a Ferrari. Like bro, its a GR86, not some carbon fibre rarity.
astrograph@reddit
Yeah I watched maybe a minute of the f80 video
So what? Will never see it
vampyrelestat@reddit
I’ve never been a fan of cars I can’t realistically afford, they’re nice and cool but I’d rather look at something I might one day own
DK4E2XFpbETJrj@reddit
The problem is that every car these companies build is already so outrageous that the "hypercars" no longer have that mystique because they ALL look like some variation of something else they build.
animerobin@reddit
they're going through carcinization. they've all evolved into the same basic shape so they look the same. Aerodynamic wedge, Huge spoiler, huge air dam, big vents, a bunch of greebles everywhere, etc.
Apollon1212@reddit
I think most of them feels the same. Old hypercars didnt have that. Every one of them felt unique.
Renegade_Maxtah@reddit
Maybe it is getting older, but as I always say, I've been lucky to drive some dream cars and then I owned the car that has brought me the biggest of smiles at all times - an NC Miata. Sure, I will sound like the meme where everyone bullies that MX-5 lover but there's just something about driving a lightweight, well-engineered front engine, RWD car.
I think that the absolute best car ever made has to be the LFA, and that nothing has been as bonkers in its own way as the LFA
Photon__Sphere@reddit
I agree 100%.
Part of it for me is, it’s cars that 90% of us will never be able to afford. Then it’s just circle jerking everywhere about them, local cars and coffee, magazines, YouTube, etc.
Give me back the day of the early 2000s when the Evo, STi, R32, S2000 were on the market. Actual enthusiasts cars. I’d rather see manufactures go after those types of cars again. But, I’m sure it’s just a dream at this point.
Mulsanne@reddit
It doesn't help that the new ones keep being sooo fucking ugly. It's like the only thing they try to compete on is eye watering performance stats.
Remember when you'd hear about a new Ferrari and it would be absolutely gorgeous? Like maybe the most beautiful thing you'd seen all year.
I've just seen the F80 and I just wanna know how the fuck that's the best they could do. Woof
kenedtsu@reddit
I’m biased as my dad did a lot of work for the Japanese auto industry (making me a big Honda fan).
I just laugh as all these companies that make 1 million dollars hypercars can’t make it translate to wins on the F1 track.
Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, all these insanely designed crazy expensive cars…and they’re getting beat by a team that’s known for energy drinks (Red Bull) and scooters and economy cars (Honda).
Focus on winning a F1 championship before pumping out your next 3 million dollar road car.
JuryGhost@reddit
I think for me, cleaner kept older basic cars get me. Like a 90’s Corolla but clean body that was taken care of? Yes please. I’m a fan of all cars when they’re maintained well and kept looking nice but something about older cars that typically show up faded paint and yellowed headlights but are instead maintained are just a breath of fresh air
lynch1986@reddit
When Lambo/Bugatti/etc drops the tenth super limited edition super special edition of a car that's been out 15 years, I couldn't possibly give less of a shit.
kbee540@reddit
The top tier of super/hypercars used to offer massive performance at a price only a millionaire could afford. Modern ones offer frankly ludicrous performance that only the billionaires can afford. Ultimately, “the rich” have moved so far away from everyone else that they essentially inhabit a different world and their associated toys have moved out of our spheres of interest.
zaku-f30@reddit
It's true, I keep on associating f80 with an M3 rather than Ferrari lol
kroven009@reddit
Because only 0.0000001% of humans will own them. Why care about anything like that.
Vhozite@reddit
Exactly how i feel reading this sub right now
OMG THE FERRARI F80 has 30000 HP and the Mustang GTD does the ring in .345 seconds! Lexus is making some turbo V8 that’ll cost a gorgillion bucks” bro who gives a fuck. The average Civic owner drives their car harder than anyone will use these.
Enough-Scientist1904@reddit
I'm not their market base so i dont pay much attention.
ContentSheepherder33@reddit
It’s age
Time_Pool8425@reddit
Once you reach adulthood and the prospect of owning one becomes essentially zero, they definitely loose their appeal. Everything 20 year old thinks they’re gonna take over the world
mini4x@reddit
Never really did, oh, look another flashy toy for the mega rich I'll never afford. I'm the guy that spends 2 hours talking to the guy that brought a perfectly mint 1982 Citation X/11 to Cars and Coffee.
natesully33@reddit
Years back, I bought a C7 w/ Z51 used for $50k, it felt perfect on track and like too much car on the street. I just really don't care about cars much over $90k or so after that experience, there just isn't any reason for me to buy something like that. Sure, I could set slightly faster lap times with a C7 Z06 or 911 or whatever, but - it's not worth it to me and those cars would be even more of a mess on the street too.
I used to appreciate the engineering of super/hypercars, I guess, but now they seem to be more about aesthetics than ultimate performance - electrification has kind of turned all that on its head really, we don't need crazy/neat powertrains to go fast anymore so they design them around noise and character. Yet at the same time, they also don't deliver a "pure" experience with low/no software, manual transmissions and so on, they are just in a really weird place right now.
I know I'm getting older and I've had enough automotive experiences to understand what I really care about in performance cars - but I also feel like the car world is different now in so many ways. I feel like exotic cars just don't really fit in to the enthusiast (as in "likes cars and driving in general" not "brown v8 manual wagon miat") car world anymore, which is a weird thing to say but that's how I feel.
Eggith@reddit
Much like everywhere else on Reddit, the sub will cycle in the same talking points. Yes, we get it, no we don't care.
This circlejerk needs to climax already.
Embarrassed_Ship1519@reddit
They’re all just iPhones now.
ramsoss@reddit
I think it is about getting older and actually driving the cars. I think a few people had experiences with an exotic or halo car through rentals, friends, family, or elsewhere and have a "don't meet your heroes"-experience. It doesn;t help that there are now tons of limited edition cars that are a small variation of another car like what McLaren is doing. It is all for ultra-wealthy people to park their money in.
Cars like the GT3 are a lot for obtainable than a P1 or La Ferarri but are still crazy pricy.
I think it is also the fact that more than ever, there is a huge gap between expensive regular sports cars like the 911 and something like a Miata or BRZ. Part of this is due to a shrinking middle class that cannot afford purpose-built sports cars anymore. Jason Camisa addressed this issue as well.
dynesor@reddit
I would be so much more appreciative and excited to see a well maintained and cared for gen 1 Fiero than I would to see a brand new Lambo.
1989toy4wd@reddit
Honestly, I get more excited about a mint 90s economy car than a hyper car. I think it is just age.
Temperoar@reddit
I get what you’re saying. Hypercars still get me excited, but they feel more like art pieces now, just sitting in garages. Seeing one on the road is cool, but they’re so out of reach, like it’s hard to connect with them. Maybe it’s just a shift in what’s practical, but I agree, the hype around hypercars isn’t what it used to be.
jsuich@reddit
The F80 looks like an intermediate draft by a 2nd year intern .. very "concept car" vibe, I agree. The chaotic mixture of jagged/monolithic and sleek/elegant left a pretty bad taste in my mouth.
SenhorSus@reddit
Saying "cool" about the engines used, their looks, their aero, etc. is all a part of it. To us normies it's a museum piece that makes us go "hey that's neat!" Like you said, you'd get excited seeing one around.
You not being obsessed about them and "not giving a fuck" about them are two very different mentalities.
CompetitiveLake3358@reddit
I have been in my local car community for years, and I've never met anyone that gave a fuck about supercars, let alone hypercars
driftking428@reddit
I think most of us agree when it comes to multi million dollar cars from Ferrari, McLaren, Pagani etc
But I still get hyped about halo cars like the ZR1 / Zora and the Mustang GTD.
thebigbossyboss@reddit
I mean it depends. Modern ones meh. If I saw a countach or an f40 I’d just about die.
AverageGuy16@reddit
To be honest I stopped caring about cars that are over 200k. Hell even a car over 80k is nuts to me but after 200k it’s just a pipe dream. Rather focus on obtainable goals, still appreciate the design and engineering feats but at that point it’s a whole other game.
Standard-Pumpkin9793@reddit
Well they don’t care about you too …
bindermichi@reddit
Why obsess over cars you will never own like a 6 year old at all?
Umikaloo@reddit
I'm really tired of the supercar wealth cult that seems to exist on social media, like, I keep seeing AI generated lamborghini campers and shit. Nevermind the fact that they're ugly as sin, the fact that people see that and go "that's gonna be me some day".
Its circular, like, the only reason these people want to be wealthy is so they can flex on those who aren't, yet the only reason there are wealthy people flexing is because it works on people like them.
BioDriver@reddit
I would like to join this circlejerk
Hypercars never did it for me. They’re unobtanium And only exist on magazines and posters. You’ll never see them in the wild (outside their press runs) because they’re bought by rich dudes who just want to show them off in their garage.
Give me an insanely capable sports car or obtainable super car (911 and NSX, respectively) over a Forza showpiece anyway
Eugene3005@reddit
You’re just getting old & grumpy
larobj63@reddit
I haven't cared about hyper cars since the 959 outran the F40 in top speed.
I say that in jest, but..... not really too far from the truth
carguy82j@reddit
Yeah I have worked on many exotics and regular super cars over the years. I'm over all of them. I'm more impressed with built cars and real racecars. People that have never driven or worked on these higher end cars love them. I have been desensitized to the whole supercar and higher thing.
darkgod25@reddit
This is like a hundred post about this
Suby06@reddit
Do you ever see someone who actually looks cool driving one? Just expensive ways to show off.. I'd take something more practical with mods and personality any day
Embarrassed-Tax5618@reddit
Honestly there is nothing wrong with it and it is perfectly fine. Same thing I think applies everywhere in our lives. Personally I started giving less fuck about breakthroughs in quantum computing, or theoretical physics and am more concerned on a new Python library for deep learning for instance. Because the library is more applicable. With cars, I care more about Corolla hybrid that I somehow can attain in the near future rather than Lamborghini Revuelto which is a state of the art hybrid supercar. To me, simple, reliable engineering effort, ergonomic design to make a 25K car to masses is more impressive than making a very expensive but performance chasing supercar. Although I realize that without supercars, maybe we won’t have some tech that will trickle down in 40 years (assuming that it will).
BlakesonHouser@reddit
I think as a kid HyperCars were like being an astronaut. They felt lofty but attainable and so perfectly fine to obsess over.
As an adult I know I will 100% never afford one, and actually like 97% that I won’t even see one in person.
And with the world seeming to be ever more unbalanced and the rich continuing to get richer, these ultra rich play toys are starting to piss me off
TaintedSupplements@reddit
There were only a handful of real ones from the 1980s to the early 2010s… now seeing the online feed and city centers inundated with the latest models driven around on lease by limpdick foreign scammers and parentless streamers who should be delivering my shake shack in a kia is disillusioning.
Advanced-Cycle7154@reddit
Road cars over 350hp get really useless really fast.
Resident_Rise5915@reddit
Same. Somehow they got less intersting. Supercars of the 70s, 80s and 90s were so distinctive and legendary. Had amazing names and nearly everyone know what they were.
Now? I got no idea what the latest and greatest is and I think the last generation of really inspiring super cars were the La Ferrari and P1
SolaceinIron@reddit
We get a new hypercar every other week now. It wasn't always like that.
Its the car market version of Marvel Superhero movie oversaturation. It's just not interesting anymore.
Salt-Plankton436@reddit
I think there's a few contributing factors tbh. Firstly the relevance. I take literally no interest in the latest Range Rover. However I love the P38 and L322. I used to not care for the L405, but now I'm starting to like them which just so happens to coincide with them dropping into the £teens. Secondly the styling. I see these latest supercars/hypercars and they don't look particularly good to me. Cars seem to look better to me when they're 5-10+ years old. Finally the drivetrains and the place in the market. The Ferrari F50 had a fire-breathing naturally aspirated V12 with a metal gated shifter and it was one of the fastest cars on the market with circa 500bhp. Now, they're giving you a much more run-of-the-mill daily driveable neutered drivetrain with triple the amount of power you can use on the road, I can't see how the experience of the W1 is going to be any better than a 540C on the road.
yourname92@reddit
I'm not tired of the fact that majority of people think tech and money are the only ways to go fast and that you must buy a manufactured car to be able to do that. Instead of good ol homegrown mechanics and building for fun. To me it's easy to build a car when you have endless resources. I enjoy the idea more of a budget build that is a beast.
RoyShavRick@reddit
It's like how I liked cars as a kid. Obviously we can't own them realistically, but let a guy dream.....
avoy93@reddit
Because they’re super low volume, already sold out by the time you hear about them, only bought to be resold, and not even driven to begin with. Not to mention when a regular every day electric car is pulling supercar acceleration from a few years ago, what’s the point in caring? Horsepower and track times are redundant. Also maybe just getting older and feeling cars are getting more boring may be a big part of it for me personally.
theknyte@reddit
Most of them have become so expensive, and so elite, they just don't seem like consumer automobiles anymore. I can look at a Porsche 911, Corvette C8, etc. and think, "Yeah, if I worked hard enough, I could own one of those." (Even if you have to buy it used in 10+ years) The same doesn't hold true for halo cars and hypercars. They cost millions new, and usually even more used, as they appreciate in value, due to their scarcity.
I mean, look at something like a Bugatti Veyron, where you have spend tens of thousands of dollars on it regularly in maintenance, whether you drive it or not.
Bugatti recommends all fluids have to be changed each year and that costs a hefty $25,000 since replacing the oil and all the other fluids takes a lot of work. The car has a whopping 16 drain plugs or twice as many compared to another exotic yet much more affordable performance vehicle from the VW Group, the Lamborghini Huracan. The drain plugs are not easily accessible as the mechanics have to take out the rear wheels and brakes, as well as the lining on the rear fenders along with the one underneath the back of the car.
Moving on to the wheels, Bugatti advises all Veyron owners to change the tires once every couple of years and a fresh new set costs an eye-watering $38,000. As for the wheels themselves, they have to be replaced every 10,000 miles (16,093 kilometers) for a staggering $50,000. Doing the math, we’re looking at around $100,000 in maintenance costs in just a couple of years of ownership.
At that point, it's not a normal street use vehicle anymore. It's a highly advanced technology showcase, that requires constant attention to keep it working, that just happens to roll on the ground.
Kytoaster@reddit
I recently saw a McLaren on the road, and then a fiesta st....I was immensely more excited about the fiesta because (to me at least) it's an attainable dream car.
You are not alone amigo!
Conscious-Lobster60@reddit
Unless you truly knacker the clutch at the on-ramp meter or press that fancy launch button— Yoga Mommy in her Model Y, with bikes on the roof, big dog, and two kids is going to be hitting 0-60 in about 3.5 and gapping you all the way to the HOV lane.
Buckus93@reddit
IMHO, it's more difficult to design and engineer a Honda Accord, with it's wide range of buyers and constraints like cost, weight, cargo capacity, fuel economy, legroom, comfort, etc, than it is to just throw whatever your imagination dream up onto a car and raise the price by another mil.
jellyrolls@reddit
I don’t really care about anything I can’t realistically afford… but then again if I could afford a supercar, I wouldn’t want to buy one. Any cars I still truly lust after are all 20-30 years old.
smokeey@reddit
Damn I literally was just thinking the same scrolling down this subreddit seeing the f80 and you were there to confirm me
polarfang21@reddit
Not only that, I can’t stand seeing all these special editions or limited runs or unique models that either sell out before they’re even released are impossible to buy even if you have the money (not that I do) it’s just hard to get excited about a car that exists in a completely different world from me nowadays.
I’d be much more excited for them to announce a new mass produced S2000 than another McLaren hypercar like the Sabre, the W1 is cool tho
srbmfodder@reddit
regular sports cars today outperform supercars from 30 years ago. It's insane. Supercars, and even the higher end sports cars, have so much power and potential, regular people can't really handle them. I had an Evo with about 350 hp to the wheels, and it was an insane car to drive. I can't imagine the car with another 300.
Mojave_Idiot@reddit
They used to standout more because of their performance and appearance.
Now you don’t need millions of dollars for a fast car and the design language feels played out due to the sheer number of options on the market.
Now the only impressive thing about them is the price.
Annoying_Orre@reddit
I think it's a combination of realising that you're never going to afford it so there's no point in dreaming anymore and for me personally it's also the realisation that just being able to live costs a bunch of money and an super expensive toy that costs alot to insure, park, service etc. is rarely worth it.
When i turned 30 something flipped in my head and i went from dreaming about soon being able to afford a Ferrari 458 to realising what it actually takes to own it plus how the performance is totally unsuable anywhere except a track. Hypercars haven't done anything to me since the Holy Trinity and these days I would rather buy a sorted 964 than a new GT3
TacticalWipe@reddit
They just remind me of more shit I'll never be able to have.
Like, you know, happiness, or fulfillment.
Rumpsfield@reddit
Luxury SUVs are "so hot right now" and have subverted the aspirational role hyper-cars formerly played in the vision of what it means to be a successful person. Nowadays we value utility, flexibility, practicality more than sleekness and speed. Not to say the attraction is gone, it is simply less mainstream.
We are also more aware of the ownership experience hyper-cars bring. Low ride (feels unsafe), loud, hard suspension and impractical. Whereas a GT car offers all the performance one would ever need, but can also be comfortable and practical. To a non-car person, a luxury SUV or mid-high spec GT car can convey the same status as a hyper-car.
gtipwnz@reddit
What about the base carreras :)
gumol@reddit
it is circlejerking
NobodyAdventurous867@reddit
So far the new holy trinity sucks more ass than a whore in Brooklyn on new years eve.
Ok-Business2680@reddit
I still like them no matter how disappointing they are.
Available_Dinner_388@reddit
Hypercars will never be affordable, but some of those you listed are closer to being realistic. I think that's the catch.
I'm of the same mindset and that's how I view it. It's like fawning over a super model, waste of time.