The drunken discovery: a flight lesson gone off-course
Posted by Icy_Stranger3818@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 119 comments
So the other day, I had my usual schedule at the flight school, and a Discovery Flight was up next. After finishing with one of my students, I checked in with the dispatcher to see if the Discovery guy had shown up. “Oh, he’s here,” they said. But get this—he’s already outside, inspecting the plane like he’s about to buy it! I thought, who does that? I mean, usually people are just excited to hop in and fly.
I walked out, introduced myself to this older guy—probably in his 50s—and we started the pre-flight. Everything was going smoothly… well, almost. He kept touching every part of the aircraft, and then he’d randomly chuckle for no reason before going stone-cold serious again. It was like watching someone play “Hot Potato” with invisible objects. At this point, I’m wondering, “Is this guy okay? Maybe he’s just really into planes… or something?”
We finally got the plane fueled up, and as we sat inside, that’s when it hit me—the smell. It was like something had died in there! At first, I thought maybe he’d skipped deodorant for a week, but no, it was more… pungent. Almost like… alcohol. I kept second-guessing myself though, thinking, “Maybe it’s just bad breath?”
So, we start taxiing, and this guy is getting handsy with the controls. Now, I usually let Discovery Flight folks taxi, take off, and get a feel for flying—it’s like a little teaser to get them hooked. But not this guy. I’m holding the controls because, you know, jet traffic nearby, and he’s just grabbing at the pedals, yoke, whatever. I’m like, “Dude! It’s my control!” I think I told him at least four times. But nope, he’s still messing with everything.
We’re holding short of the runway, and it’s just too much. I look at him and ask, “Have you been drinking, sir?” He mumbles a quick “no” without even making eye contact. So I ask again, “Are you sure? Because you smell like you drank a distillery.” And then—the confession. He looks at me all sheepish and says, “I’m so sorry, please don’t tell the flight school! I had, like, two drinks.” Two drinks?! I told him, “Buddy, you smell like you’ve had the whole bottle of whiskey!”
And then, the kicker. He says, “I just wanted to go up and take some pictures for my ex-wife… I really miss her. Oh, and today was my last day as a computer engineer, so I had a couple drinks to celebrate.” I just stared at him and said, “Hell no! Are you crazy?! We’re going back to the ramp!”
So I start taxiing back, and this guy’s practically begging me not to tell anyone. “Please, man, don’t tell the flight school! I’ll Uber home, I swear!” I’m thinking, “Yeah, you better not be driving,” but I don’t say it out loud. We get back, I park the plane, and before I can even unbuckle, he bolts out of the aircraft and makes a beeline for the parking lot.
But here’s where it gets even better. As I hand the dispatch key back inside, I glance out the window and see him nearly take out a parked car. Then, like a scene from a bad action movie, he hits a stop sign at the intersection and just flees the scene!
Has anyone else had to deal with something this wild on a Discovery Flight? Because, seriously, what just happened?!
Figit090@reddit
Any development? Did word get spread?
Vincent-the-great@reddit
The worst I ever had was a guy show up for a discovery flight that weighed about 500lbs. I had to politely tell him there was no way he would fit in an archer let alone be within CG
dodexahedron@reddit
Did he arrive in a comically small car, too? I had a couple of those and that's exactly what happeshoweone said 400 but a scale that wrnt to 500 maxed out on him, and he showed up in like a 95 geo metro. Another guy actually overestimated saying 450 and was pleased when he was 420 (nice), and he showed up in a LOWERED civic...that managed to get EVEN LOWER on one side when he got in. He scraped the speed bumps even going over them at an angle. 🤦♂️
I feel a bit bad for them because they just simply didn't know any better and wanted to try something they had a genuine interest in and had to be diplomatically told "yo, dawg, you're too fat to fly." Gota sting at least a little.
Who knows - maybe they then got motivated to get healthy. 🤷♂️ I'd imagine diabetes might be a looming problem for them later on, though, if it wasn't already.
TheOvercookedFlyer@reddit
There's a student who's easily 350 pounds. She wants to be a flight instructor but in the whole year I've met her, she hasn't lost an ounce. I reckon unless she losses about 200, she'll never be a CFI.
fleemfleemfleemfleem@reddit
I'm currently trying to figure out my weight loss goalsso I can get into better shape before looking into flight schools. Is 150 like a hard limit for fitting in 172s?
I'm 6'4", male and the lightest I've been as an adult was 230. Hard to imagine getting down to 150lbs.
dbmcluvin@reddit
I’m 220 and my cfi is 240 both of us around 5’10” and it’s tight but we fit and can fly with full fuel. It’s not exactly comfy but after flying with each other for a while we figured out a system to not slam elbows constantly
Far_Top_7663@reddit
In what airplane, may I ask?
dbmcluvin@reddit
172s/r’s. We’re about 50 under max takeoff with full fuel and 15ish pounds of cargo
gmanpeterson381@reddit
I’m 6’2 - 200 lbs and my flight instructor is 5’11/6’ and probably 180 and even with full fuel, weight and balance has never been a factor
fleemfleemfleemfleem@reddit
So my back of the napkin calculation is: 172 useful load is 870 lbs. 56 gal of fuel is 336 lbs, leaves 534 for me, instructor and anything we bring up. So on theory with a 200 lb instructor there would be 330lbs available for larger student pilots?
gmanpeterson381@reddit
My 172 has about 930lbs of useful load according to the book and can carry only 38 gallons, so 228 lbs of fuel maximum and we have approximately 700 lbs of useful remaining.
We’ve flown with 4 people before for a short flight around our city, and I was cautious at 75% fuel load but on paper I could have run full fuel with the sized people I had with me.
fleemfleemfleemfleem@reddit
Interesting. It looks like different 172 models have different fuel capacities.
For some reason I guess I was assuming that you'd fully fuel before any flight. It does make sense that for an instructional flight you could have 75% fuel, so you could transport a heavy pilot.
weimerjp@reddit
Yeah I weigh 185 and I’ve had a student that was 330. It’s possible I’d still recommend losing weight cus you generally fit more comfortably in the cockpit and are able to reach controls easier
gmanpeterson381@reddit
Practically the most important factor - you really don’t realize how narrow those cabins are until you ride in one
Jwylde2@reddit
I’m 6’2” and 260 lbs and I fly 172s all the time. Over 6’ you’re not gonna get much under 200 lbs.
aviator94@reddit
172s are fairly forgiving on weight and balance. I’m a CFI at 6’5” 240 (and dropping but that’s not the point) and I’ve put some big boys up front with me. Life gets easier weighing less though so I’d recommend joining me on the weight loss journey. I’ve been 185 as an adult and still carried a little extra around the waist so it’s definitely doable.
fleemfleemfleemfleem@reddit
That's good to hear.
I've gone up and down in my life as well. Had a good few weeks since decided to pursue flying, so it seems like a good motivator.
BMI chart wants me at something like 180. At my heaviest, years ago I was at 395. Now closer to 280.
There is a flight school near me that trains on an aeroprakt 22 as well. I've considered lsp before ppl to get going on less money, and avoid dealing with an old ADHD misdiagnosis on medical. It looks like I'd have to target quite a bit lower there though -- low 200s at most.
lucifer2990@reddit
Absolutely not, no idea where they got 150 from.
fleemfleemfleemfleem@reddit
What would you say I aim for, both in terms of weight and balance of the plane and in terms of comfort for myself and CFI
lucifer2990@reddit
I'd say try to get a smaller, shorter instructor to maximize comfort but I regularly see students who must be \~250 or so at my airport.
fleemfleemfleemfleem@reddit
Thank you. I've set ~240 as my goal, so hopefully my savings and weight loss line up for next spring. Meanwhile I can study the knowledge test material.
lucifer2990@reddit
Definitely recommend doing ground school and knowledge test before or at the beginning of training. I did, and it was nice to just have to review before lessons instead of learning everything for the first time with only 1-2 days between flights.
Sweet-Direction2373@reddit
I’ve heard of this happening to someone and they flat out told him he was too large to fly. He came back several months later, in much better shape, ready to fly. His desire to fly did help him get his fitness in order!
SaltyFriesOG@reddit
Hell yeah
Icy_Stranger3818@reddit (OP)
That’s crazy!!! Do your Flight School usually ask about their weigh before scheduling?
PhillyPilot@reddit
Sir, the seats have a weight limit of 300lbs.. sorry
Brick_Tree@reddit
You did a good thing. Who knows how poorly that could have turned out.
Got_yayo@reddit
That guy was 100% going to try and kill himself
ATACB@reddit
lol wtf I would be having a talk with dispatch you just avoided being part of a murder suicide.
jcurve347@reddit
I think you really dodged a bullet. He said he misses his ex, his last day of work, and was very drunk.
As I was reading it, I was getting the impression the dude was going to take you down with him.
Paranoma@reddit
Yup exactly. This happened to my friend and without giving too many details the guy didn’t make it but my friend had to just let go, fuck if he was gunna get taken down as well.
backflipbail@reddit
I know you said you didn't want to give details but I'm not really following what you mean. If he let go doesn't that mean the guy would just kill them both? How did your friend save himself?
Paranoma@reddit
My friend was the actual pilot.
Boring-Parsnip469@reddit
So the pilot just let go and somehow survived while the other guy didn’t?!
Paranoma@reddit
Crazy guy was trying to jump out. Friend tried to stop him. Friend let go and crazy guy jumped to his death.
OkayEducator@reddit
I was hoping you were just explaining poorly.
Boring-Parsnip469@reddit
Damn. That’s horrible. Not much you can do as pilot in this situation.
Mountain_Fig_9253@reddit
Yuuuup.
Prof_Slappopotamus@reddit
Yup. Exactly how I read that. OP dodged a literal bullet.
John_EightThirtyTwo@reddit
Well, a metaphorical bullet. But yeah.
Figit090@reddit
Dodged becoming a bullet.
ZuluYankee1@reddit
OP literally just saved their life.
CorkGirl@reddit
Those are the ones that grab the yoke and refuse to let go, for sure.
adenasyn@reddit
Yeeeeeep
dateraviator0824@reddit
Reminded me of that movie Falling Down
Guysmiley777@reddit
Or that poor helicopter tour pilot where the passenger swan dived out of the aircraft. As told by Bill Burr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ZSzuj1UpA
tical007@reddit
True. Good instinct and observation OP.
JBR1961@reddit
That was EXACTLY my thought and that’s a professional opinion.
Figit090@reddit
Same thought, sounds like a crumbling life.
Icy_Stranger3818@reddit (OP)
Haha, it was painfully obvious what his intentions were. But just so you know, I’m always prepared for situations like that—I’m 6’3”, 210 pounds, and in solid gym shape, ready for a quick knockout if needed!
dreyn88@reddit
You did the right thing. I think its worth noting some of the red flags and how long you went before changing your mind. Not saying I would be any better, especially since you are less focused on it in the present. I would look for stuff like this as reasons to refuse to fly someone in the future though.
shidarin@reddit
So you called the cops on him before he killed himself or someone else, right?
Icy_Stranger3818@reddit (OP)
As I was walking back inside, I bumped into the CEO of the flight school. He looked at me, wide-eyed, and said, “What the hell was that?” I explained the whole crazy situation, and after a moment of silence, he shook his head and said, “Well, we’ll just ban him from the flight school.”
Unairworthy@reddit
So you told on him? Seriously 😳
BowlingBallbagBob069@reddit
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. Snitching is gay
adamsputnik@reddit
Oh for fuck's sakes, what is wrong with you.
Jwylde2@reddit
So just don’t tell anyone about someone who’s out to unalive himself and take others with him?
Deafvoid@reddit
Being gay is ok!
Get homo, not FOMO (fear of missing out)
Icy_Stranger3818@reddit (OP)
Well, the owner happened to see the whole scene unfold in the parking lot. When I explained what had happened during the flight, we decided not to call the police but agreed to ban him from the flight school immediately. Obviously, you don’t want someone like that in a plane—first off, he was irresponsible enough to show up drunk, and then he started talking about it being his last day at work, missing his ex-wife, and wanting to send her pictures from the air. It all sounded way too reckless, if not borderline suicidal.
Valid__Salad@reddit
Man, I have to applaud you on your canceling the flight, but I can’t see how you guys didn’t call the cops on someone who is clearly driving away shit faced.
HighGreen18@reddit
Dude, I think there may have been a chance he *was suicidal.
swoodshadow@reddit
Look, I realize this is easy for me to say from behind the internet. But please call the police next time. This dude is almost certainly driving drunk regularly. And while it might cause you more of a headache you could genuinely save a life or at least a bunch of pain by getting him off the road. Just food for thought for next time (which hopefully doesn’t exist).
cbrookman@reddit
On the off chance you’re trying to be funny, let me be clear; biiig swing and a miss.
Flightyler@reddit
Right? The guy specifically requested he didn’t! /s
AHartley89@reddit
Username checks out
Figit090@reddit
Username checks out...
Phallic_Moron@reddit
This is real life, not 8th grade.
voretaq7@reddit
"So you reported the guy who got yanked up before a discovery flight where he knew he'd be handling the flight controls, and who was irresponsible enough to drive to and from that flight, so your school would not train or rent to him & risk killing someone in the future?"
Seems like a fucking no-brainer to me!
PhillyPilot@reddit
Yeah, oh course. That guy is a fucking danger to the public
Square_Ad8756@reddit
As a former counselor in psychiatric facilities for people with suicidal thoughts please call the authorities about this guy. At the very least call the other flight schools in the area so that they can be on the lookout for him. I would hate for this guy to put a poor CFI into a Germanwings situation.
BowlingBallbagBob069@reddit
No, he’s not a snitch
Jwylde2@reddit
When the situation is life or death, you speak the fuck up.
vtjohnhurt@reddit
The cops in my area would do nothing special. There are many drunk people operating cars at all times.
limecardy@reddit
Don’t be that guy.
tehlastcanadian@reddit
What guy?
dodexahedron@reddit
Right? What's he saying? Don't be the guy who potentially stops a self-destructive sad sap from even odds at killing or hurting someone innocent, damaging even more properly, or killing himself? Worst. Take. Ever. Especially for someone that*j clearly extremely intoxicated and** emotionally distraught and reckless. It's almost a courtesy to call the cops or try to keep him from getting in the car if that can be done safely. In the words of Porky Pig, "he b-b-b..buttered his bread, n-n-now he can sleep in it."
And I say that as someone who has had a DUI. Sometimes the kindest action is not the friendliest action.
shidarin@reddit
He’s probably contract tower ATC
flyboirho@reddit
Cold shot.
SquirrelMoney8389@reddit
Let me guess... Give the man a phone number to call himself..?
fromtheleftseat@reddit
To the new CFIs out there, don’t doubt yourself with this kind of stuff. If the vibe is off, make up and excuse and don’t fly. Excellent work OP!
exploringtheworld797@reddit
Man, that’s like a scenario for a job interview. “Would you go”? Hahaha. Thank God you went back.
Figit090@reddit
Might be worth notifying other discovery flight options in your area before some poor CFI becomes a crater. 😵
LaserRanger_McStebb@reddit
DEFINITELY get this guy blacklisted from every flight school within 100 miles.
SillyPilotGirl@reddit
^ This.
Sweet-Direction2373@reddit
That was my thought too 😰
pilotboi696@reddit
Good on you for stopping this before you got in the air man. Sorry you had to deal with that
jhl88@reddit
Holy shit that was entertaining. I had to remind myself at the end of your post that this actually happened.
Glad you're ok OP
No_Diver_2133@reddit
Glad you’re safe man. That could’ve not ended well..
vtjohnhurt@reddit
My club (commercial cooperative) gives 'tourist rides' in glider in Vermont. Hugely popular during foliage season. Cannabis is legal in VT. Tandem seating with dual controls. Alcohol is sometimes a problem. People sometimes ask, 'is it okay that I had a few drinks?'
The sleeper problem is the people who're not intoxicated, but who have poor impulse control. One passenger pulled the tow rope release at 100 AGL. There was a headwind and enough space to land straight ahead on our 2400. (We routinely practice 'the impossible turn'. 200 AGL is enough.) Tourist's 30 minute ride was over, no refund. The ride pilot was pissed.
Gliders have a 'canopy jettison' lever. I know one owner who 'safety wired' the front seat jettison level.
On the other hand, I witnessed a friend give a glider ride to a 14 y.o. non-verbal autistic boy (in the front seat.) The boy had 1200 hours right seat time in his dad's DA-20, so he was a relatively solid predictable passenger. His dad had Cerebral Palsy and walked with two forearm crutches. They flew in and out in the DA-20.
HeadAche2012@reddit
You did the right thing, worst case suicide risk, best case would probably be projectile vomit, too much risk for a 30 minute plane ride
BillWeld@reddit
That man is a hardcore alcoholic. The smell is recent drinks overlaid on top of internal rot. If you've ever turned a compost heap you'll recognize the amoniac reek.
farting_cum_sock@reddit
Dude was going to take you out with him. You dodged a massive bullet.
SkyfireSierra@reddit
r/rimjobsteve
jhj2021@reddit
User name win
a_tiger_of-Triumph@reddit
Your user name made laugh really hard. Kudos!
JennyBeatty@reddit
Please watch for signs that someone is intent on un-alive-ing themself, and taking you with them. Make any excuse not to get airborne.
SpartanDoubleZero@reddit
Dodged a bullet my dude. I’d send his info to other flight schools and the police and stress some intervention for MH.
hartzonfire@reddit
This is worthy of the "best of" stories list on here. This is absolutely insane.
Dekker316@reddit
This is from CFI: the book!
TheOvercookedFlyer@reddit
Ha ha ha ! You're almost spot on. The only difference was that the drunken student was Alex's best student as he often slept during his lesson. The other scary ones where a father and his son who though themselves as part of the military.
Fit-Bedroom6590@reddit
You are lucky he was not planning to take a one time macro shot like real close to get her attention.
suuntasade@reddit
Is drunk driving that okay in the us? Hope you valled cops to arrest him before he kills somebody with car.
aftcg@reddit
Maybe if he had sobriety he'd have his job, wife, and a PPL at least. Sauce: I'm sober now and have all that plus some.
Mispelled-This@reddit
OTOH, maybe he turned to alcohol to deal with losing his job and his wife.
Deafvoid@reddit
On the third hand (should not have eaten that lump of uranium), he could be a serial plane crasher
BowlingBallbagBob069@reddit
Lmao I wish this happened to me. Sounds very entertaining 🤣🤣
georgecuster@reddit
Was this near a Boeing location by chance? They just laid off 17,000 jobs and if so I’d bet this guy had one of them
AceTend@reddit
I swear this is why I hate doing intros. You have to do them so you can get new students but you just never know who’s going to show up. 99% time it’s totally cool but you’ll remember the 1% when it’s not. I had a guy panic and try to nose dive the plane and another show up so dirty and smelly I thought he was homeless
LifeWeekend@reddit
Is his ex-wife in this world?
Icy_Stranger3818@reddit (OP)
😂😂😂😂
Figit090@reddit
I dunno but I don't think that was intended as a joke.
Icy_Stranger3818@reddit (OP)
Well, in this case yes!!! She’s married to someone else.
Figit090@reddit
Well then....see my other comment about notifying other potential victims near you.
This guy might have a deathwish.
VitallyRaccoon@reddit
My only criticism is that you should have ended the flight the second you detected alcohol in the briefing room. I totally understand how hard it is to make that call especially in the hour building phase but a whole lot can go wrong on the ramp long before the wheels leave the runway... what would have happened if he'd thrown himself into the prop once you'd returned to the apron to park or something else equally horrible? A drunk man with potentially nothing to lose on the tarmac of an active airport serving jets is an enormous risk. Definitely a live and learn experience and hindsight is always 20/20, but making the call early and making it decisively is really important.
MichaelOfShannon@reddit
I just did my first two discovery flights today; not that interesting but still really fun. They had a great time.
Professional_Read413@reddit
That sounds terrifying
hoppertn@reddit
Anyone else’s mind go to the guy might have wanted to go out in a blaze of glory? Misses ex wife. Last day at work. Drunk for courage?
trillhoosier@reddit
That’s so wild. I’m glad you’re ok.
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
So the other day, I had my usual schedule at the flight school, and a Discovery Flight was up next. After finishing with one of my students, I checked in with the dispatcher to see if the Discovery guy had shown up. “Oh, he’s here,” they said. But get this—he’s already outside, inspecting the plane like he’s about to buy it! I thought, who does that? I mean, usually people are just excited to hop in and fly.
I walked out, introduced myself to this older guy—probably in his 50s—and we started the pre-flight. Everything was going smoothly… well, almost. He kept touching every part of the aircraft, and then he’d randomly chuckle for no reason before going stone-cold serious again. It was like watching someone play “Hot Potato” with invisible objects. At this point, I’m wondering, “Is this guy okay? Maybe he’s just really into planes… or something?”
We finally got the plane fueled up, and as we sat inside, that’s when it hit me—the smell. It was like something had died in there! At first, I thought maybe he’d skipped deodorant for a week, but no, it was more… pungent. Almost like… alcohol. I kept second-guessing myself though, thinking, “Maybe it’s just bad breath?”
So, we start taxiing, and this guy is getting handsy with the controls. Now, I usually let Discovery Flight folks taxi, take off, and get a feel for flying—it’s like a little teaser to get them hooked. But not this guy. I’m holding the controls because, you know, jet traffic nearby, and he’s just grabbing at the pedals, yoke, whatever. I’m like, “Dude! It’s my control!” I think I told him at least four times. But nope, he’s still messing with everything.
We’re holding short of the runway, and it’s just too much. I look at him and ask, “Have you been drinking, sir?” He mumbles a quick “no” without even making eye contact. So I ask again, “Are you sure? Because you smell like you drank a distillery.” And then—the confession. He looks at me all sheepish and says, “I’m so sorry, please don’t tell the flight school! I had, like, two drinks.” Two drinks?! I told him, “Buddy, you smell like you’ve had the whole bottle of whiskey!”
And then, the kicker. He says, “I just wanted to go up and take some pictures for my ex-wife… I really miss her. Oh, and today was my last day as a computer engineer, so I had a couple drinks to celebrate.” I just stared at him and said, “Hell no! Are you crazy?! We’re going back to the ramp!”
So I start taxiing back, and this guy’s practically begging me not to tell anyone. “Please, man, don’t tell the flight school! I’ll Uber home, I swear!” I’m thinking, “Yeah, you better not be driving,” but I don’t say it out loud. We get back, I park the plane, and before I can even unbuckle, he bolts out of the aircraft and makes a beeline for the parking lot.
But here’s where it gets even better. As I hand the dispatch key back inside, I glance out the window and see him nearly take out a parked car. Then, like a scene from a bad action movie, he hits a stop sign at the intersection and just flees the scene!
Has anyone else had to deal with something this wild on a Discovery Flight? Because, seriously, what just happened?!
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