Anon on modern anime | TheaterFire

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Fire2xdxd@reddit

Anon missed the entire point of the story I think

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LarsRGS@reddit

bro missed the entire point where David thought he was immune to cyber psychosis because he was resistant to the sandevistan's effects

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ReikaTheGlaceon@reddit

As well as being manipulated to use the cyber skeleton, which is what really broke him

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ReikaTheGlaceon@reddit

Related, whose death hit you the hardest?

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bunker_man@reddit

David panicking when he sees that Adam has a sandevistan hits pretty hard.

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LarsRGS@reddit

the aftermath of David's death crushed me, the scene of Lucy on the moon and the soundtrack broke me

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ReikaTheGlaceon@reddit

Same, it had me messed up, but Rebecca's death is what broke me first. She was such a fun and well developed character, and her death was so rough

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Rebecca’s death was the one that sent the freeze through me first too, honestly. Just…she was the one who actively at all costs tried to prevent, avoid and spare those she loved from what she knew was coming, but followed em all into because of loyalty.

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bartimeas@reddit

I don't get all the Rebecca simping. She always gave off high-maintenance spaz vibes and I was kinda happy to see her get crushed

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Shaponja@reddit

I found her death so funny. Adam living up to his name

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FrazzleFlib@reddit

yeah it was completely ruined by the 3 fucking instant replays of it that just made it goofy lmao

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Shaponja@reddit

All it was missing was the Vine Boom 🔊🔊🔊

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LarsRGS@reddit

it was so sudden that it didn't gave me time to grief over her before i was struck with david's scene.

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ReikaTheGlaceon@reddit

That's why it hit me so hard. It was just an instant death that raised the tensions ten fold

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TBone925@reddit

Holy shit civilized conversation on leddit!

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kilqax@reddit

You're hallucinating. That's impossible.

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Pass_us_the_salt@reddit

Yeah Becca's death crushed me emotionally

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External_Flamingo491@reddit

Maine's death hit like a truck, he's like a father to David too so it sucks even worse

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Ramael-R@reddit

Yup, and it's even more moving that he basically kept his cyberpsychosis at bay long enough to let David escape.

Honestly almost every single one of the "main cast" deaths hit like a truck. This was a rough damn series.

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Supremezoro@reddit

The music in that scene was so good too, so tragic.

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External_Flamingo491@reddit

Yeah, Polish metal with traditional instrument isn't something that i expect to find in an anime and it blows my mind with how well it fits the scene

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Principatus@reddit

Jackie’s :’(

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aithusah@reddit

His death did hit hard but imagine if you actually had to play through the montage instead of just watching it. Would've been heartbreaking

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Principatus@reddit

100%

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DarthRacer5@reddit

I agree this death hurts but they were just talking about the show I think

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Ephsylon@reddit

Not only that: Lucy actually brought him back from the brink.

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lurkenstine@reddit

It was like really show why is too easy to become a cyberpsycho. Like any other addiction, people think, naw not me I'm smarter/stronger / better, but the story plays out the same more often than not.

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Mushiren_@reddit

He's (not) built different

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Tommy2255@reddit

He's built different, but not different enough. Being one in a thousand means Adam Smasher has already killed a dozen just like you.

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Lurker_number_one@reddit

Not watched a lot of cyberpunk media, but what is the reason Adam doesn't go through cyber psychosis? Is he jus (actually) built different?

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Tommy2255@reddit

That's because Adam Smasher is Him.

Normal people go insane when they replace their body with cybernetics because they feel detached from their humanity. Smasher never thought of himself as human in the first place. I said this already in this thread, but I'll say it again, Adam Smasher is the "identify as an attack helicopter" meme, but unironically.

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estou_me_perdendo@reddit

So you just have to like xenofiction enough?

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WorstedKorbius@reddit

He's a high functioning cyberpsycho

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Mushiren_@reddit

It could be a combination of many things. His employer Arasaka's top-tier tech and maintenance, his high mental fortitude as an ex-military, his lack of emotional capacity making him less vulnerable.

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cae37@reddit

We literally see Maine believing he is “built different” also, though, before he goes cyberpsycho.

David didn’t learn anything from that experience.

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_TLDR_Swinton@reddit

Yeah, he basically thought he was the Keith Richards of implanting cyberware.

WRONG.

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Mottis86@reddit

As well as the whole idea of you know, no one being immune to addiction. Dude loved the cybernetics and couldn't stop.

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TrilobiteTerror@reddit

Dude loved the cybernetics and couldn't stop, even when he knew he was flying too close to the sun.

Yep, he just didn't know when to stop.

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Magic_Red117@reddit

Even beyond that. It doesn’t really matter what David does or what he thinks. It doesn’t matter how much he loves his friends. He can hold lucy under the moon’s glow, in a cold embrace filled with more steel than flesh, but in the end they’re doomed. Because the city will eat them alive. Because no matter how talented he is, david is just a boy, and the city is almighty, and it will consume his talent the same as his steel the same as his flesh.

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FVCEGANG@reddit

He did think that, but there are points towards the last 2 episodes where he knows he is starting to crack and even his friends and Lucy tell him to stop and downgrade and he refuses and pushes himself even farther

He definitely did not have to go out that way imo, but the real victim in all this is Rebecca

P.s. I just rewatched this yesterday so its still fresh in my mind 😅

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LarsRGS@reddit

unfortunately, David thought that the chrome was the only thing that could help him protect his friends and lucy. He was also tricked into using that exoskeleton that fucked him up

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FVCEGANG@reddit

Yes he was tricked into the exotic skeleton, but he was already too far gone before that. He did not chrome down while he had the chance

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Ramael-R@reddit

Yeah but I feel like people are missing the addiction part of it. By the time he started to realize something was wrong and he wasn't "built different" as he thought, he was at a point where he convinced himself that he had to keep going, because he thought that was the only way he could keep his crew safe and keep affording the life style they became used to.

And yeah, while the best and correct thing to do was for him to chrome down, and get safer, less paying gigs but it's nıt so different from real life addictions where the addiction itself convinces you to best way to go is to keep going because you can get a grip or it's already too late and you have no other choice.

The sad thing is he may even be right considering the setting and who they are. They are an edgerunner crew of some repute, so it's not unlikely for them to get dragged into dangerous stuff even if they didn't sign up for it. Add onto that Lucy's background and David's stolen sandevistan, there was no happy ending for the crew in the Night City.

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Kaxology@reddit

The thing I got from Mike, the creator of the cyberpunk ttrpg, on cyberpsychosis is that it's kind of like a regular mental breakdown. It's no coincidence that David and almost all cyberpsychos from the game Cyberpunk 2077 becomes cyberpsychos when stress is at an all time high and everything in their life seems to be falling apart.

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Ill-Kale-3339@reddit

Can’t go cyberpsycho without chrome, but the chrome isn’t what causes it is how I explained it to a friend

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tortillazaur@reddit

But he only went Cyberpsycho after getting shitty software uploaded, not the hardware. Cyberpsychosis is also canon as a quickhack in both the game and Sasha's music video(which should be relative to the anime).

cyberpsychosis being caused by hardware seems like a scam

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ajakafasakaladaga@reddit

If I remember right, one of the main causes was that the sensitive feedback from cyberware is different from a organic part, and that causes the brain to be more susceptible to mental breakdowns. I guess a quick hack could trigger that, but CP2077 it’s in the end a game, and sometimes you need to prioritize gameplay over lore or rules that would hinder it

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tortillazaur@reddit

yeah but it's also canon to anime

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The_ChosenOne@reddit

Well yeah because without chrome then you’re just a regular choom experiencing boring old fleshy psychosis.

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Asdaviqs@reddit

It's like the equivalent to mass shootings in real life

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Maddolyn@reddit

Same thing where i think I'm immune to addiction to any kind because I can perfectly limit my use of casino sites to only claim the free bonuses and only vape once a week at most, only at home, to make the effect of movie endings land harder

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IvanMIT@reddit

The difference between a habit and an addiction is not the behavior itself, but the impact it has on your life. If the behavior is causing problems in your life, and you continue to do it despite those problems, that's an addiction. If you can stop or cut down on the behavior when it starts to cause problems, that's a habit.

Gabor Mate

I would only add that one must be honest and truthful in assessing the effects of certain habits on one's life and mental well-being. The dangers of certain hard drugs are not that they'll get you hooked after the first use, it's their ability to warp your mind into making strong delusions and compromises to rationalize further use.

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miked0629@reddit

“I’m built different.”

Unbelievable.

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Marsium@reddit

yeah this is such shitty writing, no human would ever be self-destructive in their relentless pursuit of a dream

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GrassBlade619@reddit

I wouldn't even really describe it as self-destructive. You life in the world of Night city where the weak die and the strong live until they go psycho or you work at one of the corps. Can't work at the corps without his mom's income so he's basically screwed as soon as she dies.

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Majestic_Cow706@reddit

Every Merc isn't filled with cyberware on the verge of being psycho David just did it instead of getting better because he could thought he could just keep going with no consequences

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DragonHollowFire@reddit

TBH there is also a strong point made about Hubris and ego getting to someones head in the show. I really like this for change (where the mc isnt just special for no reason).

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NCD_Lardum_AS@reddit

I mean... He is also special

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TheThoughtfulGuy@reddit

He absolutely is special in his tolerance to cyberpsychosis, but only special enough to burn out spectacularly, rather than normally. Basically, being special wasn't enough, or he wasn't special enough.

Also, that same gift also meant that he likely had no realistic option for working for a big corp. In the show, it's hinted that if he'd gotten in, they would have used him to test experimental implants (like the gravity one at the end) that would have eventually led him to a very similar fate.

In other words, him being special meant that he was entirely screwed from the get-go, there was no realistic what-if that leads him to a happy ending.

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MaterialJob7080@reddit

No he's not. You're not supposed to use Sandevistan more than 3 times a day, he uses it all the time. He's just suffering from breaking the actual game mechanic

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Ecco_Edd@reddit

At least in the corpo rat path he could've been some sort of Adam Smasher 2.0

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A_heckin_username@reddit

That was the point, right? Even if you're special, you have your limits.

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ColeslawConsumer@reddit

Working at a corp also leads to death everyone corpo V encounters at arasaka is dead by the end of the game.

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CyberneticSaturn@reddit

V was in counter intel, though. I think the marketing department probably doesn’t get killed by miltech if they do a really good celeb brand collab.

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MrBalanced@reddit

Depends on whether zeroing the marketing department would increase that quarter's profits, choom

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UsrnameInATrenchcoat@reddit

MLK and his wunderwaffe

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Ok_Hovercraft_616@reddit

Didn’t realize MLK played zombies 🤯

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_TLDR_Swinton@reddit

Remember when MLK crashed the Technodream into New York

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JeeLay@reddit

My Little König?

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Stromgald_IRL@reddit

Not to mention that the gaslighted himself into believing that he is immune to cyberpsychosis. Deep down he knew he isn't by the time side effects started to surface, but he rejected the truth because he feared of not being special anymore.

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LordVaderVader@reddit

Meanwhile V:

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Stromgald_IRL@reddit

V is quite the bullshit character in my opinion. Nobody in the game makes a fuss about the type of shit he is capable of.

Everyone is like: V? Yeah, he's aight' for a merc. (Meanwhile in the background V slaughters a whole gang with gorilla arms faster than the singular bullet he shot in advance to take out a separate gang.)

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VerMast@reddit

What fucking dream lmao he has to be the least driven character there is he was literally just doing whatever for the narrative

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ChiehDragon@reddit

I'll take Maslow's hierarchy of needs for 100, Alex.

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ChiehDragon@reddit

Yeah. The idea that someone saw the dangers but continued because they thought they were "built different" is crazy. Like, there is not a single person on this planet who, after handling something well in their youth, would continue with a delusion that they were somehow immune to negative impacts. That they would gradually reach a point of no return, dooming them to psychological and physical destruction.

Literally never happens.

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antomenchi@reddit

Especially after multiple traumatic events

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pewterstone2@reddit

hitler

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MaterialJob7080@reddit

That's the entire point of Cyberpunk in 2 lines. Idiots going OVER THE EDGE (Edgerunners) to make it big. Most of them die horribly

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SavvyZ@reddit

i hated the ending

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endelehia@reddit

You did it Martinez, you have become the Cyberpunk

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thebroiler69@reddit

It’s Edgerunning time

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Urmomsjuicyvagina@reddit (OP)

BRAVO RAFAL JAKI

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Ok_Ad400@reddit

-See hundreds of people get cancer and die from smoking.

-Start smoking anyway.

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Big_Slop@reddit

It’s ok for me though because I’m built different.

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3merite@reddit

"Why is this such shifty writing?"

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dummypod@reddit

"Real people don't do this"

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Whycantiusemyaccount@reddit

Anon has never seen literally any other piece of media in their life.

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PhoneEquivalent7682@reddit

You don’t have to compare everything, just rate it for what it is

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Happy-panda-seven@reddit

Wrong, stupid, and ridiculous

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TheCourageousPup@reddit

Heck, I'd even call it dumb

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GemarD00f@reddit

I'd go so far to say it's downright goofy

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MoltyPlatypus@reddit

I’m not one to say this, but i feel forced to call it a bit silly

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Armejden@reddit

Or heard of a junkie

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AttakZak@reddit

Sees 4chinners, becomes a 4chinner.

10/10 Human being.

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Same-Astronomer660@reddit

Tell me you have no fucking idea what Cyperpunk is about without saying so, Anon

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thomstevens420@reddit

Dudes will post this shit and then say “nah I’m built different” unironically

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fufucuddlypoops_@reddit

It’s almost as though Night City takes no survivors, gonk.

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Vichu0_0-V2@reddit

I liked that latina chick and cried when he died

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cae37@reddit

Yep. I get they were going for a tragic storyline where the hero falls for the same delusions that bring down his own heroes and tragically falls, but the execution was too shallow.

I would have liked Maine and David to have been developed more than they did.

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ScRuBlOrD95@reddit

bro thought he was built different because he's resistant to the effects of stupid juice only to realize the stupid juice was the friends we made along the way

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Simpnation420@reddit

Cyberpsychosis is not real. The reason why people with heavy combat cyberware seemingly go crazy more often is because the people who use them tend to live a dangerous and stressful life thus increasing the likelihood of a psychotic breakdown (David’s psychosis only started to show up once the crew dies one by one). For example, V never goes cyberpsycho because they have a loyal support system in the form of friends and lovers.

We don’t call a mass shooter a “gun-psycho”, the same way a mentally ill person with cyberware isn’t a cyberpsycho.

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yeezusKeroro@reddit

Not sure why so many downvotes. What you're saying is directly supported by the game.

You find a log early in the game that says cyberpsychosis is just regular psychosis. The side quest line where you fight the cyberpsycho mini bosses supports this, too. The cyberpsychos you fight are a cultist who let a rogue AI into her brain, a bodyguard turned feral through drug abuse, and many, many police and military veterans with PTSD among a few others. You only become a cyberpsycho when you're pushed to the brink of sanity.

In Edgerunners they decided for some reason that if you get too many enhancements you just start hallucinating. Then they doubled down on this after the anime came out and patched it into the game so now V starts laughing maniacally if you push past the limit. It's canon now I guess but... Also kinda not cause the side quests and logs are still there in the game. Maybe it's at least meant to be open ended.

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CyberBed@reddit

In cyberpunk2020 your "humanity" is based on your emotions/charisma stat, and getting chrome reduces your humanity, makes you subconsciously think that you're better than any other flesh bags. Also software plays a role in becoming a psycho, I don't think that it's healthy to replace half of your brain with metal so it could run 9999 instances of ponzi buddy.

And recovery procedure consists of removing all the chrome, connect patient to vr where psychologists work with them, then either clone fleshy parts and stitch them back or slowly connect vital chrome one by one.

Basically humans are ok with chrome as long as they don't change too much from their fleshy image of themselves. If they change too drastically then they'll start getting "cyber body dimorphia" which coupled with stress and mental issues can lead to cyberpsychosis.

Also I heard a theory that corpos put some kind of protection in their chrome to stop people from getting too many implants, and ones who do would be immediately killed by police or corp forces. This theory looks plausible because corporate military units can have much more chrome than regular joe before going psycho. Plus special operatives aka spooks are more machine than flesh and they're fine "technically". Smasher is also presented as another proof for this theory, but he's just a high functioning psycho with a body fully made for him by arasaka's science team.

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ihatewomen42069@reddit

This is even more supported by Max-Tac lore which is basically all their supersoldiers are previous captured cyberpsychos who can handle loads of chrome to become said supersoldiers. This would make sense that Max-Tac is basically supporting the current powers that be with how they acquire their troops, with the additional lore that Corps are intentionally handicapping normal chrome users. The "illusion" of cyberpsychosis is simply constantly reinforced like a boogeyman, when in reality, its just puppetmasters pulling the strings.

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Thrasympmachus@reddit

Right on brand for this kind of dystopian game too. Damn it’s good.

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Tommy2255@reddit

Cyberpsychosis is real in the sense that it literally happens and is connected to heavy cybernetics use. It's not like replacing your limbs with heavy weapons is psychologically healthy, the human brain is designed to exist inside a human body and being inside a walking tank is obviously a stressor. Normal psychosis is a factor for sure, but the cybernetics are also a factor.

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Link_and_Swamp@reddit

real

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dushamp@reddit

Anon forgets how fucking cool it is to die!

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V-Lenin@reddit

He literally says "I‘m different"

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bdrwr@reddit

Totally unrealistic! Like, anybody who sees someone succumb to addiction would obviously know to avoid hard drugs and never get hooked, right?

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Eldritch_Ayylien66@reddit

He literally got more implants because he started a crew of his own and it's pretty easy to die in Night City

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LF_Bon-stellaionWink@reddit

That's one of the fastest ways (for a chromepunk) to fall over the edge.

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doodoo_dew@reddit

He thought he was different and more capable of withstanding the implants due to his compatibility with the sandevistan

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Zenbast@reddit

Well he was more resistant but everyone has a limit somewhere and he hit his own eventually.

Except maybe Smasher ?

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Tommy2255@reddit

Adam Smasher isn't driven mad by the feeling of disconnection from his humanity because he never thought of himself as human to begin with. He's the "I identify as an attack helicopter" meme, but unironically.

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MajesticArticle@reddit

And with comparable firepower

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Zenbast@reddit

That's kinda hilarous when you put it like that

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AREOPIORIRTYTO@reddit

Hes a highly functioning psycho as far as i know

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BanzaiKen@reddit

Yes, he also has a completely custom body to his specifications. Unlike people who buy off the shelf parts and then customize it, Adam is built and rebuilt by hand by an entire team. Theres no chance of part rejection as a result.

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Ill-Kale-3339@reddit

Yeah like the other guy said smasher is a high functioning cyberpsycho

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McCasper@reddit

This but unironically.

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MadoKureo@reddit

I guess media literally is less common than I thought.

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MarketWave@reddit

People making mistakes = bad writing.

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Mottis86@reddit

Sees a guy overdose on drugs.

Keeps doing drugs.

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hok98@reddit

You see, anon, this is an allegory for doing drugs. You think you can hold shrooms well, so you try other things. And you find out that you have good tolerance, so you push further. Now, you pushed yourself to the edge without knowing. All you can do is run and hope you don’t go beyond the edge.

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